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I would argue that it's more difficult for a woman to stay thin than a man because women naturally put on weight easier than men and it's much more difficult for us to lose as well. That woman in the picture you provided at the bottom probably works out everyday and rarely, if ever, eats anything remotely like that hamburger in her hand in order to keep her figure. Also, as far as breasts are concerned, a man can build those up just by lifting weights; a woman usually loses chest mass if she does the same thing.
Easily harder for men. You have to be handsome, have at least a decent body shape, a well paying job, plus a personality. Girls need a pretty face and not be excessively fat.
This is very true. Women can do nothing and still have dating prospects. Men have to work twice as hard just to catch up. Average guys need to be able to offer gi
Agree and also neat username :)
Hey thanks, and kudos for a good take that puts this issue in a very clear perspective.
Right from the jump we are attracted to women, because of pussy.
We don't have anything that makes a woman want us, so we need to gain attractive qualities.
So yes, it's way more difficult for men.
I feel like a couple of your points are slightly off. As far as physical attractiveness goes I think that women have it harder. First, to be anything like the girl in the picture you posted, you have to have a certain skeletal build. Yes, some women can just stay lean and have an attractive body, but a lot I've what I've seen as guy's preferences are really dependent on natural body build an fat distribution. Guys on the other hand can achieve muscles through workout. Or don't even do that, there are many girls that prefer less muscular guys.
And something I'd like to mention about approaching the opposite gender- many women who do so are viewed as too easily won and therefore associated with being a slut (I have experience with this). I know this isn't always the case, but we also have the fear of that happening on top of the fear of rejection.
Final note on your point of confidence, I have seen some men complaining of a woman's or women's lack of confidence
You need a certain skeletal build to be the man in the picture also. what is your point? His picture was a representation on I guess a picture of 2 ideal bodies. IDEAL does not mean necessary. Everyone dreams of being with their ideal partner. Some turn out better or worse.
In your case of women have it harder to look better, there is no one to blame but yourselves. Men didn't start dressing you in those bullshit clothes so you are barely naked, you do. Men don't tell you go put on more make up You buy it. we don't force you to get fake boobs and asses, Its all the bullshit that women tell each other on magazines and the fucking kardashians. Girls don't realise that 90% of men would prefer women to just be natural and keep healthy. Thats IT! why can't women wear board shorts when they swim? men didn't make it a law to wear a bikini. Why do women wear skin tight sports clothes with a face full of make up to drive their cars to get a coffee? why do women have their asses hanging out?
Nah--women don't need to necessarily have good skeletal and fat distribution to be hot. It's all about waist to hip ratio.
Waist to hip ratio is skeletal build.
Personally, I don't think women need to fall within skeletal build requirements to be attractive to me, unless they're way out of place.
Certain builds that are sexy to me can be acheived through certain activities, like gymnastics or dance or plain old lifting even.
A girl that has muscle and even fat distribution, or less fat distribution over all is fine to me - or even so long as they aren't anorexic or horridly obese.
Growing muscle is not harder. Males have testosterone, well, a lot more of it. In the gym, all you have to do is maintain your protein and work hard. Women have to watch how much muscle they build, while still trying to maintain a nice fat percentage. We have to spend hundreds on our hair, on our nails, our eyebrows... We have to make sure our tans are perfect. Spending at LEAST an hour every morning trying to apply make up properly and get our hair just right. Shaving, moisturizing... We're judged on the areas of our bodies where we maintain fat. A woman without breasts or ass is not considered a woman, though a fit woman is desired and it's hard to get a toned body without loosing all our fat. It takes A LOT more to look like the woman in that picture than it does the man. Not just based off her body, but her maintenance too.
Lol are you dumb? You bitches really think you can spend 3 months top in gym and get like Jeff Seid. Building muscles requires years of dedication, cell-tech, and dedication. For a girl to be skinny fat she just has to not eat like a fucking pig, and do regular cardio once in a while.
Also lol at women having to spend hours on hair, nail and eyebrows. Most guys don't even give a shit about this. You do this for yourself to show up against other females and impress your friends not men.
No, actually if we didn't spend hours on nails make up and hair, you guys wouldn't look at us twice as half of you cannot even tell the difference between a woman with and without make up.
Nobody's saying it doesn't take dedication to gain muscle. But nobody likes skinny fat girls. For us to actually get the shape men desire, we need muscle work too. Else we suffer with bat wings, saggy butts and flappy thighs.
And for a girl to find a way to maintain an ass and titts while having a slim waist and lean legs... Oh, don't even get me started.
@Roostah
"No, actually if we didn't spend hours on nails make up and hair, you guys wouldn't look at us twice as half of you cannot even tell the difference between a woman with and without make up."
Yes we can tell. It is not hard to see that you've caked your face on when talking to you one to one. Most men don't give a shit about your fancy dress, or what nail polish your wearing or if you have the latest designer shoes. These are all things women do to show other woman they are better than them.
Also skinny fat is something majority of people outside of thyroid problem are born with if they didn't eat like a pig. The average teenage girl is skinny fat and guys are glad to go for skinny fat girl because they are realistic. While MEN literally have to spend years, working hard, sweating, and controlling their weight to even get the attention of a female on hos physique/
No. Else every man who wasn't a regular gym goer would be a virgin.
Your idea that every girl is born skinny fat is ridiculous. Are you familiar with the endomorph, ectomorph and mesomorph concept? look it up. Most people fall into either category.
Your argument is not entirely invalid, yet it is bias. Men do not oggle over skinny-fat girls, just like women do not oggle over your average Joe. We are talking about which gender has a harder time obtaining the ideal appearance.
Ideal appearance for men = good face and muscle.
Ideal appearance for women = good face, long hair, no body hair, lean legs, big butt, thin waist, big boobs, nice style and well maintained. You cannot argue that men have it harder. Just look at what the media advertises most.
@Roostah
It's not about being lean per se; it is about waist to hip ratio. Keeping a relatively small waist compared to your hips is vastly more important than leaness.
I guess it depends on the person. Some people have lucky genes in that regard. I've been attracted to lots of women who didn't do much in terms of exercise. But granted women generally take better care of their appearance.
Most women are beautiful anyways. Ladies, keep doing what you're doing and I'll try that much harder to attract you. Case and point, the guys here need to shut up and get working.
@HumbleTeddy white knight pussy-beggar spotted.
Peasant jester Dick-Beggar spotted :D
@HumbleTeddy I've yet to express any homo-tendencies. You on the other hand have already proven yourself as subservient to women. Your retort is null.
I don't give a crap what you say, I love women and women seem to reciprocate. Case and point, stop replying to me because I could honestly care less of what you have to say. Goodbye, Adios, live a good life.
Well I don't give a shit about you too. Either way
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Well, @HumbleTeddy would probably have much more luck with women than someone like Roostah.
He says he likes women and appreciates all our efforts to look good, whereas straight off the bat, Roostah refers to us as 'bitches'.
Ever heard that Hugh Hefner Twitter quote? Of course women flock to him because of his fame and fortune, but he still makes an excellent point. He was asked how he gets so many 'bitches'. Hugh replies, "Well, first of all I don't call my girlfriends bitches. A little respect goes a long way."
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL
I figured this was all obvious to everyone. Do people actually disagree with anything you wrote?
Read the female replies.
Yeah, and the female replies are either outright non sequiturs, fallacious premises, or totally ignorant statements of how men operate. Their "opinions" are logically meaningless and without any rational worth.
Lol ten up votes! Nice!
yeah women generally have it easier in dating. I don't think a whole lot is really expected of them in comparison to what men are usually expected to bring to the table
Exactly
There is a shitload of expectations placed on men and SO many areas they can control and improve in order to get a girl. They have the permission to control the situation in their hands. Women don't.
Women are either pretty, or can go fuck themselves.
So yeah, you have more stuff to do, but it also means you have more ways to increase your chances. We don't.
This is bullshit, an average woman can still get plenty of sex, and if she might try to approach men more than expect to be approached, it shouldn't be that hard for her to find a suitable man that will commit, even though he might be average as well.
A downright ugly woman, well of course she will have it difficult, if she is fat she can fix that with exercise and diets and some surgeries, and make up and plastic surgery can do a lot for her face too. Boobs and ass can be improved with surgeriers and training (ass at least), its not that different from a downright ugly man.
And she has the same options as men in terms of building a career and improving her personality etc, but she won't really need too, she just won't be able to get away with being a bitch, which many very attractive women can, so she just needs to be nice which is easy. A man needs to be nice and respectful but also not too nice, dominant at the same time.
@alphadoggystyle You dummy, you can't measure women by YOUR standard of what it means to "attract". Yes women don't have to try to get laid, but women don't want to be sluts. They want dedicated partners, marriage (like relations) and kids. They want to be loved, not just fucked.
So no, if you're ugly you can kiss that goodbye.
And what is much worse is having a guy settle for you and not really love you because you're pretty enough.
Success for us is not the same as success for you and it basically hinges on one thing with 80-90% capacity. If a woman is ugly, she's fucked.
Of course is an option surgery, but not for all women. Not to mention the speed of our aging and if you're not born pretty you can kiss selection goodbye by the time you do become pretty.
" and if she might try to approach men more than expect to be approached, it shouldn't be that hard for her to find a suitable man"
And this is bullshit. I know plenty of girls who approach and get nowhere BECAUSE they approach. Had they been more subtle and flirted luring the guy to make the first move himself, they would have dated him.
Guys loose interest when chased. They have the control in this regard.
The only guys who don't loose interest are totally emasculated and low worth no woman would approach anyway.
Its you who are the dummy here, not me. Most of what you wrote is basically nonsense.
Women can be slutty if they want and keep it a secret. They can find a guy at a bar or with some of these apps and sleep with him and then pretend he doesn't exist afterwards. Its true that women in general value relationships more than casual sex, to a greater extent compared to men. But women cheat about as much as men do, getting a relationship for an ugly guy is just as difficult if not more so than for an ugly woman. They will both have to settle for an ugly partner unless they have something else to bring to the table (like money or being high status, this gives the ugly man a bit more potential but getting rich and high status is not a thing majority of men can manage to do)
Also, the reason why you might see a trend that women get rejected more when they approach, is often because when women approach they have very unrealistic ideas about their own attractiveness. For example an average women most of the time won't ask out an average guy, she will aim for someone better looking than her. Its true that majority of women who do ask guys out, are the less attractive women. Simply because they dont get approached much themselves. But these same women would have much better success if they approached more guys that where on a similar level to their own attractiveness. But that doesn't happen because a woman who is a 6 is valued more by society than a guy who is a 6, if only judged by their looks. So a woman who might not know anything about a guy, will believe she is of equal value to a guy who is better looking than her. And by the way, i think you are exaggerating a bit, since i have heard of plenty of women who approached and where successful.
If i found a girl attractive based on looks (and i consider myself a 7 and i wouldn't reject a 6 unless she wasn't my type at all), i wouldn't reject her simply because she approached me and chased me, thats ridiculous. haven't you seen so many guys here state that they would appreciate if more girls would approach and not always expect us to do all the work etc? Im certain there are plenty of guys who think like me, in fact i would say we are the majority.
Feminine beauty is highly controllable, so I don't understand your argument .
"Women can be slutty if they want and keep it a secret."
Again, who gives a shit?
Women don't. That's not how we measure "attracting" and "dating success". That's not what we aim for regardless of being caught, or not. Dummy.
You dont speak for all women, some women are easy and like casual sex, some have really high sex drives but dont want a relationship, even if they are the minority.
And regardless, its still easier for an average woman to get a relationship with someone on her level of attractiveness, compared to an average man getting a relationship with a woman of his level attractiveness. And in all cases the man has to do more of the work to get a relationship while the woman can often wait and choose.
And stop calling me dummy, dummy.
"You dont speak for all women, some women are easy and like casual sex, some have really high sex drives but dont want a relationship, even if they are the minority. "
We are talking about general female behavior and wants. Generalizations don't discuss exceptions, dummy.
@inamorata, look I know in general women have it easier than men in attraction. But you are 100% correct with "Women are either pretty, or can go fuck themselves". They don't have the choices men have to up their game. Lets get real, a playboy bunny with no personality or skills can make the majority of men drool. But Marilyn Munroe did say "there is no such thing as an ugly girl, rather a lazy girl" Men can and often do change for the better as they age. Im a great example. I had no women in my past. Even the ugly chicks got bf's or lays. So I upped my game (been a hard long fucking road I must admit) but now I am way above many of those girls. I can choose quality women now (still pissed that I missed out in my youth) but I lived exactly what you said.
I disagree. I see a lot more women dating out of their league (in terms of looks) than men.
I already mentioned general female behavior and again, you're wrong. Women can get relationships easier than men as long as they dont think of themselves as better than they truly are. So in the end, the only ones making it difficult for women in dating, are women themselves. If they dated guys on their own level, more of their relationships would last, and those guys would be way less likely to cheat.
And now you can get lost, dummy.
Just one thing. The lady thing is not true. I mean getting muscle is hard, but we have what we have. We can't make our boobs grow, or our waist thinner. Our legs are what they are. We can be thin, but still be less attractive body wise than a bunch of other girls.
plastic surgery... its super easy to make your boobs bigger... lol
@TimesNewRoman That would mean having a bunch of money to waste which would contradict the having a good job point.
hey, with determination, you can save enough money for a boob job with a minimum wage job... might take you a long time... but its possible..
@TimesNewRoman Cause that doesn't take as much effort as a gym membership... My point is that it's hard for us too. That shouldn't be a comparison
how hard is it really to set aside $5-$10 bucks a paycheck... dont sell yourself short.
Boob job means lose sensitivity in your breasts and surgery isn't the sane as working out women have to work out as it is or you get flabby if not fat and it's not healthy to not be active. And most people working minimum wage job dint have " extra" money to put aside. Do you not know how expensive school is!
@TimesNewRoman Don't talk about what you don't know! Like @Azara said, you can't always set aside the money
Dont talk about what i dont know? I know all about saving money and how hard/easy it is...
Currently going to school working minimum wage @azara so yes. I know how expensive school is... I also can save money and buy shit I want.. funny how that works huh?
I don't like girls with big boobs so
@TimesNewRoman Well some people have better things to spend their money on than a boob job. And all you guys have to do is get a gym membership, or work out on your own.
@torenex Well we don't know who does and who does not like big boobs. Most of the guys I've met like big boobs
@TimesNewRoman That is exactly whats wrong with earth. You can't say that bullshit. @Canterbury_Bellz Boobs don't matter they are a preference. Your waist can easily be maintained. All of your points are exactly the same otherwise as what a man would have to deal with. Men have insecurities too, we are all human. But don't ever think that a real man would expect you to be anything other than healthy and happy, While you are young all the boys are going to call you ugly if you aren't the hot one, but wait till you hit your 20's and all the attractive people naturally become ugly and the naturally beautiful have ruined themselves by getting plastic surgery just before they blossom. A lot of women just go BAM from the age of 18-30, Instantly just bloom into beauties. Plastic surgery is making women look like they have been beaten up and fake boobs are no way near as good as real ones.
I think the point he's making is that even average girls get noticed, but average guys are completely overlooked. For a guy to get noticed based on his looks, he has to work really hard to get into outstanding shape. That's why so many guys use steroids.
I dont think you guys understand what I was getting at... Im not for boob jobs, I honestly dont like fake tits.. I was SIMPLY telling the Opinion Owner that it is possible to make your boobs bigger... that is all lol. then they try and argue with me saying i dont know what im talking about.. like I've never had to save money before.
@Yc2K15 I beg to differ... I can say what ever the I want to say.. like... Ill rape your first born for telling me what I can and can't say... fuck you.
sure You can say what you like @TimesNewRoman that is what makes you a fuck head, the girl is 14 years old. You can say all you like just like I can fuckhead and saying shit like that to me will get you killed! no shit. You scum little fucking piece of shit.
HAH Come at me bruh! @Yc2K15 I was just trying to make a point to you.. i didn't mean id actually rape your first born.. You must be forgetting this is the internet.
I truly think its comical when someone says shit like "say shit like that me me in person would get you killed you little scumbag p. o. s." I highly doubt you would go to jail for murder (or attempted murder) over a "little scumbag" like me? Fuck off with your internet macho bromo. Australian palm trees always tryin to act tough... you know how many palm trees I've personally cut down?
@Yc2K15 Thank you for your opinion, and for stating it so Politely.
No problem, I am glad we had that douchebag here too, because it helps you understand that some people are stupid and they can be offensive. But without someone there to help correct them you may be set on the wrong path just because of what one stupid person says.
Men don't care about breast size in real life,
Plus, you can totally control your waist size.
@TheSpartan the thing about the waist is that some girls have big hips, and a big waist naturally, so they may have almost no fat, but they won't look as skinny as they are
It's about the ratio between your waist to your hips that matters (waist-to-hip-ratio), not the size of your waist per se.
@TheSpartan I spar bit some can't control that either.
Wow... i meant 'I suppose but'
Really I don't recommend fake boobs, you'll be less attractive with them.
Fake anything will degrade your true value.
Natural look is way better
@DrKran i agree. They look really fake, and there is no point in going through surgery for something that is so trivial.
Life is better and easier for attractive people regardless of gender. Other factors are obviously things like money and confidence.
Finally, someone who thinks like I do👍
Really the harder part for us guys is approaching. We have to put ourselves out, the women usually just have to stand and wait
u just called me ugly the other way.. what ur bullshitting at?
@wom777 I'm sorry I don't remember that and if I did I'm very sorry I said such a horrible thing..
Hence, this is the summary of this article:-
"Making a woman accept him is a tougher task than climbing Mount Everest for a common man".
This is all true, but it's one of those "it is what it is" Men are just hardwiree differently than women, men just want sis thing they can stick their you know what in and women actually want companionship and a future "air go the whole outside factors" biology will always crest this problem so thier s no use fighting it, that's my point
No, you just assume it's easier for girls that YOU'RE attracted to. That's only a portion of the female population. The girls you see out at the part aren't actually a cross-cut of society. Just like it's easier for guys women find attractive to attract women, it's easy for women guys find attractive to attract men.
Hence, ya know, the whole concept of being 'attractive'.
But the problem is that female standards are higher. Even objectively not-so attractive women will think that they deserve a good looking prince charming to come and rescue them.
And scrub dudes who eat nothing but cheetos and play at their computer want Kate Upton. Like, what you're complaining about goes both ways.
nah he is right though, average women have more options in dating than average guys do, and they dont need to work as hard to find those options. Thats why average guys need something else to increase their value, like a talent or being very funny or popular for some reason.
LittleMissGriff your wrong im sorry
... Because girls just have to look pretty. That's your argument. Allow me to say, on behalf of girls everywhere who are downright sick of people measuring their worth by how pretty they are (Because why would we need talents or a sense of humor, right?) Fuck you. That's why you can't attract anyone you objectifying piece of shit.
fuck you guys cake face it and look like a different person
@torenex is right... I've hooked up with a chick who I thought was gorgeous then when I seen her at a nearby park from my house she looked completely diffrent. She wasn't ugly and she wasn't hot neither. She was average... Leaning more to the ugly side actually. In my mind though I wouldn't of hooked up with her if I seen her real face. which comes to the point that females can always fake it and still have high standards as for us guys we either have it or we don't and it is true that even the bigger girls have a higher standards than they should also.
Pretty much.
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As a girl:
Fat
Ugly
Too tall
"Not attractive race"
Too small boobs or big boobs
"Slut"
Not girly
Not willing to give head, anal and/or handjobs.
@suklaatryffeli
Everything you added is fallacious. The last bit is a quality that is entirely decided by the person, so it doesn't count.
There are some attractive moms that are fat.
And for girls the non white things also applies
And I don't remember a lot of guys asking the girl in the wheelchair out or the girl with Down syndrome
Your list is fallacious too. It completely depends on the girl. Many women find non-white men, bald, shy and inexperienced guys super hot. Many like short guy, many don't care if he is overweight, many don't care if he is handicapped. Feminine body? What? Doesn't sound like anything is terribly wrong with that. And poor, most don't care unless he makes us pay for everything everywhere and always.
And i agree with amy811. How biased opinion. We girls know it. Dating isn't super easy for us either unless we look like Candace Swanepoel.
#1, 2, and 4 are N/A.
Confidence always meant zero in dating (often mistaken for "Image", which isn't the same at all).
Career historically means very little in partner selection.
Physical attractiveness is a given in partnering (I. E. someone who attracted to you will simply be attracted to you; it's a non-issue).
It's ALL about looks. Don't kid yourself the king it's not. Other shit matters but at the end of the day it all comes back to looks. Women will deal with other shortcomings and will let things go if you look good. And I'm my experience they will treat you like dirt if you don't have the looks. And they will cheat on you with their good looking ex and guy "friend."
True that. But that is just biology; the male bird has to preen and dance around like a fool (birds don't have money) and in just about every species the male has to compete to get some.
I hate this no.. this is what gives men the impression that we don't care about looks and that they should just not worry about it.. we have eyes ! And so care about looks we sometimes settle for the other things because that's all you guys offer... I don't know about others but money and success i rely on myself for.. others success aren't mine and could care less.. but having sex with a hairy fat shit of a guy is.. and I'm sure guys feel the same way girls aren't that different and aren't sex robots. Quit putting people in boxes
Well I didn't of course intend to go in to the "with a hairy fat shit of a guy" extremes. Of course you shouldn't have sex with a guy like that, and neither would any one normal do a woman like that as well (unless they have somehow fallen in love) but I'm talking about the general average.
Most women aren't attracted to "average" guys and think they are beneath them because social media/society keep bombarding them with how pretty/wonderful they are. Just go to any one girls facebook page right now and you'll see WHITE KNIGHTS, and female friends all "liking" and telling an "average" girl how pretty and beautiful she is. This inflates female egos so much they think their too good for average men and always want to date guys better looking than them. When these guys use them as cheap whores (because let us face it you weren't the only one checking him out) they go on social media and cry "all men are assholes" who just want sex.
handsome is important.