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Um... Okay, I'm going to read out the notes I jotted down that told me anyone following this would become emotionally abusive...
Oh wait, there's too many.
And another take promoted for the sake of controversy. This wouldn't work for me.
It would.
Hmm she said..."Any freedoms the woman has, have to both granted and restricted by you."
Let's try it out.. Commie, I forbid you to reply to this!
Did it work? lol
@zorro8888 Put it back in your pants.
Worked pretty well then, took 2 days to reply... good girl :P
This is a decent troll attempt. And we all know you're a Catfish.
But you know this, so there is no way for me to state that really.
But you did state it like a proper two-face, intellectually dishonest crybaby you are.
Can't believe you're a woman, whose speaking the truth about dating. Most women would never admit this or they don't know their instincts. Keep such kind of myTakes coming.
Thank you. :) There are exceptions to every rule, so a girl like me is bound to be born somewhere out there in the world. You'll be even more surprised to know that I'm not that rare, only I'm rare for speaking up and trying to explain this to people. ^^
Kudos to you, I also think that the biggest mistake that men make is that they take dating advice from women who tell them all kind of non-sense that they want a "nice guy". Now these men wrongly interpret nice guys to be pushovers. Speaking your mind and being dominant is a characteristic that is required in all walks of life.
While you do make some valid points in some areas you do take it a bit to far.
While you do see I am reasonable and truthful, you're too scared to let go of what you have been raised to believe despite seeing how ridiculous it is now.
And what would that be? you don't know me or what I was raised to believe.
I know your culture. I know the buzzwords like "rapey" and "abusive" thrown around. I know movies you grew up watching I know people you lived around. It imprinted itself in your head (like EVERYONE ELSE'S including mine) deep enough that you just feeling uncomfortable because of what you read. So you decide to back away from the truth ironically going against step 1.
When you reason trough this, and reason, not just "get a feeling", you'll see what's true and what's bullshit for yourself.
Not even close sorry, and while that may be the culture for most people in today's world it's not mine, nor do I appropriate you trying to assume and dictate what you think I believe in or what I was raised to believe.
What do you believe? What do you disagree with?
It's annoying when people go "you go a bit too far", but make no definitive claim of their own. It's douchey as fuck.
All I said was your viewpoint was a little to extreme I never said I did not agree with the base points you were trying to make. And I'm old fashioned I believe in old fashioned values, morals and strive to be a gentleman not a tyrant or pushover. And I do just fine being one I have no trouble when it comes to women.
I never said this is about "old fashion". It's about what is functional. By that token you can say eating with your mouth is "old fashioned".
I was answering the question you asked me in "my" comment section and I quote Asker: What do you believe
And by old fashioned I mean what my grandfathers and grandmothers were born raised to in regards to morals and value etc.
I already gave you an answer anyway 9 hours ago, if you don't like what I have to say then to bad.
You didn't give shit. You just expressed ambiguous feelings like a proper woman.
Whatever floats your boat, but I'm done dicussing the matter and my patience with you is wearing dangerously thin.
Included feminism in THIS type of take?
Nah I didn't enjoy that.
So true, it should be obvious to all, but you are going to get a shit ton of flags and whining because one of the truths is that pointing out the truth to women will almost guarantee then grouping together to shut you up, even if you are female.
With women and me it is always a 3 stage conversation.
Stage 1: They are pissy and emotional because they hear some word like "dominant", or "feminism", not thinking about what I'm saying at all, are just being insulted and irrational. (that's where the flags come in)
Stage 2: They hear things that resonate with them and longer I talk and calm them, longer they feel exposed and uncomfortable. (this is where the whining subsides)
Stage 3: They either begin to agree with me 100% and become amazed, or shut down and retreat very uncomfortable about having their worldview shredded to pieces.
Females who never get passt stage 2 are about 5% of the population and are mostly pee brain feminists who are too loud to hear anyone but themselves. All other women are not an issue for me. They are women and no matter what, they always realize I am describing nothing more but their needs, behavior, reactions and desires. Not just men's.
(there's an example here in the comments in fact)
How to get a woman with an inferiority complex...
Tell yourself that...
Do you think the man in a relationship will always know better? (Some women are smarter than some men - do you deny that?) It's ridiculous to say the man should always lead/have the last word.
First men on average are a lot smarter than women on average. Many guys have trouble figuring this out because female stupidity is wrapped in emotional reasoning like: "Everyone is different." "You're being rude and immature." "I have *insert bullshit* GPA." "There are studies..." "You're just antagonistic, not open-minded." etc.
Most women are extremely emotional and dumb. A small fraction of us has a higher reasoning capacity and we are exceptions, not the rule.
Second smart women date smarter men. I would NEVER date a guy I think is an idiot. No way in hell. I wouldn't be able to be attracted to that. He'd look pathetic to me. I wouldn't think I could rely on him as a man.
If a woman's with you, 99% chance is you ARE smarter than her and it makes you more qualified to lead. The very reason women insist that men have higher mental, emotional, physical etc. capacity than them, is because they are looking for someone to lead them. Whether they see it, or not it's their instinct.
Second, FORM and FUNCTION.
Manifested, healthy masculinity is -> AUTHORITY.
Women are wired emotional, submissive, sensitive, nurturing, neurotic, inclusive, careful and security seeking, because their FUNCTION is that of a mother and a wife. A follower. When put in this position, they respond sexually and emotionally in a very positive way, even if intellectually they think it's wrong.
Men are wired dominant, protective, aggressive, proud, risk-taking, stronger, more intelligent and more emotionally resilient because their FUNCTION is to lead, to dominate women and protect them. Men are extremely sensitive to female control and men who are not completely emasculated avoid their dominant wives.
Just like a form of the spoon has a function of eating. You can use it as a back scratcher, but it's intended function is where that fork belongs and is best utilized. Poking food and bringing it to your mouth. When form does not match the function, there are always bad consequences.
So even if you WERE in a relationship with a woman who is smarter than you, you should STILL be in charge of that relationship. You should still be leading, because she is a woman. She will still have female emotions and urges.
If you're dating a woman who is smarter than you and for some reason she is ok with that, ask her advice. You lead, but since you think she is smarter, you ask for he input before deciding. The point is to take responsibility for her life, regardless of who is "smarter".
Imagine that analogous to a parent who is raising a genius toddler.
To elaborate on "emotions and urges".
Imagine how women who make more than men expect men to pay for dinner. She has needs for you to provide for her and ultimately, no matter how smart and strong she is, she wants to find someone next to whom she can fulfill her FEMALE FUNCTION and that female function does NOT concern itself with female smarts and muscles. They become irrelevant if the woman can take her function and be allowed to enjoy it. <- Something feminists claim women were "subjugated into", which is of course crock of shit. When feminism first rose and feminists didn't yet shame every woman around that she is a loser unless she fullfils the male function, women HATED the feminists who mocked and devalued their function of submission. Today, "submission" is a dirty word because of those cunts.
I feel like you're playing on my insecurities to convince me of some bullshit. I don't know.
I know you FEEL like it. That's the problem.
My feelings are a problem? What am I, a machine?
No they are perfectly valid and you SHOULD have them. But to judge what you have read, they are the only thing you reference.
Is there a reason to THINK I'm bullshitting you?
I think it'll take a while to wrap my head around it. Your total conviction and radical claims are a bad sign, though.
I was a flip-flopper, everyone is different, meh...-type of girl like anyone else, until I put all the puzzle pieces in place. Now I can't possibly pretend I "see their point", when I know their point is bullshit.
But again, you need to stop tending to your feelings and think it trough, which as a man you have a much bigger capacity to do.
I know this is a very new concept. Might make it easier if you read this -> www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a8369-what-women-really-want-cutting-trough-the-nice-guy-alpha-male
There, I am not getting down to the point like here and am taking time to reference more things and explain my point.
Thanks for the link. I'll have a look at it when my mind is fresher. I know a lot of women who are plenty smart...
I personally know 4...
Are you saying that doing these things will make women I'm in a relationship with thrive?
Yes. You set a precedent of being the leader and she'll fall in love with you and you'll be able to keep harmony in the relationship, and fall in turn with her because you'll also feel like a man and be dating a frickin' sweetheart. (women who are total cunts before, become sweethearts when dating men who lead them)
Okay. I just want her to be happy. And to be happy myself.
Something about the whole thing just feels way off. I mean, I have had women love me and orgasm etc. without all this macho stuff. My biggest relationship barrier has been my shyness and lack of self-esteem. I do agree that sometimes e. g. I hold back because of possible negative social consequences of being very direct/physical.
It feels off because feminism permiates EVERYTHING in our society. "Girl power" is a sentiment as common as "be yourself". A lie, no matter how outrageous, if repeated enough, starts sounding like the truth. When the root of everything is faulty, the tower collapses no matter how many repairs you make. ->50% divorce rate.
Tbh, that's not really my experience. And take e. g. my parent's relationship, which I'm sure has much to say about the way I relate to women: my mother sort of dominates my father, but my father is the one with the job, and a large part of why my mother has at times been so mean to him is because she gave up her studies and moved so he could pursue his career, and because they had kids together. So a lot of her bitterness stems from the fact that he got the career and she didn't. I don't think a relationship will be successful if the man just barks orders and the woman does whatever he says. Haven't you seen enough abusive relationships to agree?
My parents had the SAME arrangements and my mother had the SAME resentment.
But my mother was also a lonely woman and had few girlfriend. She unloaded her shit on me my whole life, I was like a bartender/psychiatrist to her. When she went trough all the problems and how she sees my father, by the time I hit 14 I knew VERY well "not being a career woman" was just a bullshit, superficial grievance against my father to resent him. The real issue was her lack of respect for him. And that came from him having no balls.
Have you had the same experience with your mother? Have you ever pressed your parents to say shit that made all 3 of you feel uncomfortable for a year, just to figure out their marriage and not repeat it? I had their problems unloaded on me and I know how that type of marriage works very well. I'd dare say, far better than you.
Interesting. And sorry to hear you have had that experience. I haven't done as you, because frankly I'm scared of breaking up their marriage. I do agree with the observation that there is a general lack of respect, but I feel like it goes both ways, because my father seems to be shying away from confrontation, which also means they have never dealt with the problem of her being miserable living there, but just let it drag out. Well it's interesting to meet someone with a similar experience.
"but I feel like it goes both ways, because my father seems to be shying away from confrontation, "
No, it does NOT go both ways. Yes she does not respect him for shying away from confrontation, but trust me, he disrespects her for doing the confronting. Since she wears the pants, being a woman she can't do it reasonably, fairly, or cooly. She can only torture him and up his defenses since she directly attack male pride in doing so.
It's not a problem of "no talking it out", it's a problem of her dominating and being unable to stop talking. (not to communicate, but to exert control over him)
He didn't wear the pants and that's the problem.
I agree that there is a problem in that he suppresses his own needs, feelings, etc. (or so I assume). And takes shit instead of disagreeing. But is the solution really for the roles to be reversed? Isn't it more a case of neither party should take shit?
No, because that is literally impossible.
They started out like all other naive couples out there: They imagined compromise.
But compromise means he lets go more and she pushes forward more. It places an unnatural strain on both of them and conditions them to change their attitudes towards relationships.
Once "compromise" is established, there is a "power vacuum" between them. In every relationship there has to be a leader and a follower. EVERY micro-interaction has it. Pile on a bunch of those "little interactions" and you get one person dominating and one person submitting. More one person submits, more submissive they become and a "status quo" is created, making the person who wins the power struggles more, slowly take over completely and become a full leader.
If partners are under feminism, the woman will win and take the reigns. Only because it goes against both their natures, she will never do it fully and functionally like a man could. She'll only degrade the marriage.
Compromise, stable "power sharing" in a relationship is as realistic as a round triangle. The whole concept is an obvious paradox, let alone a possible practice.
Well gee, I didn't know my penis and balls came with a user's guide.
Happens when you never get to use them. =/
What the fuck did I just read?
Follow these steps and be single forever! Yay
I just barfed a little in my mouth.
Might wanna spit it out. Just sayin'.
Problem is that if you're one iota of assertiveness too far, you'll get smacked with a sexual harrassment charge, and be fired/expelled/suspended.
That's a lie.
Guys who get smacked with that shit are NEVER assertive. NEVER leaders in their relationships. They can't do shit and never establish these dynamics where the girl respects and loves them.
They are always those manginas psycho cunts fuck with before they stick the last nail in their coffin.
Besides, there are countries out there that put parents in jail for spanking their kids. Who take the kids away! Kids can just call a number and have your ass arrested. Is that an excuse to drop parenting? Oh, let's give kids what they say they want, otherwise they'll can report us to the police. Nice set of balls there mister.
Even if you follow this crap... you still get rejected.
As a free agent I'll stick with hobbying.
You need skill to "follow this crap". You can't just read an article and viola, you're a man.
You need to find another man to teach you this, you need to train and grow into a man. Especially if they emasculated you and you've never even seen a man.
I am here giving you principles of what gets you women. This is not literally a "How to...". You'd have to be an idiot to think that self-help bullshit works.
Your solution of hobbies is the one manginas in Japan took. They're all on antidepressants and paying girls to cuddle with them, before they off themselves in record numbers..
Exactly I have no skill, never had a steady male role model, its too late... which is why I'm a hobbyist.
It's never too late. I've seen an emasculated baby boomer turning around and saving his marriage.
You just need to find examples, you need to find teachers, you need to try and try to learn to establish your authority with people.
All I'm offering is a bit of salvation from the cultural brainwashing that has you feeling stuck right now.
I'm not brained washed. I'm conscious. I follow my very own path. The only cultural I follow is what I chose to do, believe and say. Plus which female goes for someone who isn't social, likes his space, thinks a lot, follows his own path, doesn't have friends, is nice and most importantly who is black. No one would. If they would where the hell are they?
And I'm not going to change for some female or for anyone else like every other desperate guy does.
I spent years in high school and college adjusting myself for females. I asked for help, and no one helped but only made things worse even when I opened up.
I would give up but I always kept on trying thinking maybe this time I'll be successful and that didn't do anything. So Now I'm finally feeling like I'm being myself and its wrong.
Females don't want me so why would I dedicate myself to go on your path just to get pushed over the edge. When I can follow my own much easier path and be free.
You fucking MGTOW... You need relationships. You need them like you need food.
You failed in the past because people lied to you. I am not lying.
I am not telling you to "go my way". I am telling you what you've been told about manhood is WRONG. Manifested manhood is nothing more or less than -> authority. This is not just over women and for women, but ALL people. For ALL relationships.
I am not controlling you, but telling you that's what YOU should be doing.
You are either governing, or being governed by others.
The alternative is not just to go your way and "do hobbies". It's to be depressed, alone and/or controlled by everyone you meet. Why in the world do you think it's a clever idea to opt out from society?
(Hey, I'm the one that should be angry here.)
"You need relationships. You need them like you need food."
No I don't. I've grown up without any male or female relationships and I still feel fine and productive without them. I graduated school, got a job, have a car, about to go into acting without any relationships. If anything they'll slow me down.
"I am telling you what you've been told about manhood is WRONG"
Even without a male role model I always had a dream that I would be a good father and start a family. I'm well mannered, smart, respectable, always courteous to both genders, I', m always expanding my wisdom, I always want to learn and I'm strong in/externally. Therefore No one doesn't or didn't need to tell me anything about manhood.
"You are either governing, or being governed by others."
I'm not a social person and I don't like to be controlled. I'm just trying to find an identity for myself so I can stop frequent personality changes.
"The alternative is not just to go your way and "do hobbies". It's to be depressed, alone and/or controlled by everyone you meet."
Anyone who is depressed is clearly weak and dependent. Depressed is just another word for quitting. I lost my parents when I was only 6 and through my whole life There was so much barriers that no one cared about. I could have quit and become depressed. That wouldn't solve anything. I'm not the type of person to put out very little effort. I finished school on my own. I'm working. Have a car. enjoying my interests so there really isn't any need for depression.
"Why in the world do you think it's a clever idea to opt out from society?"
Personally I don't like humans. There all pretty rude all they do is shoot down people, insult and fight. People of all shapes and sizes are evil or have an evil quality. If I become a part of society and follow what society does then I'm a hypocrite who is part of the problem.
You're an emasculated male, explaining away his lack of social skill as a lack of need for socialization. That's all there is to it.
Not at all.
I'm doing fine in life with or without socialization. Not sure why that's difficult for you to understand.
But your human your suppose to be difficult.
Because I know principles and biology of human needs. To claim you don't have this needs is delusional bullshit here to justify inability to get those needs met.
You're like a guy who can't get laid saying: "Oh, I'm asexual anyway."
From your comments you are a very angry human.
You don't even know me. I'm telling you facts about myself and yet you want to argue and tell me otherwise.
I don't have to know you to know your "facts" are bullshit.
Just like if you told me you pee led, I wouldn't have to know you to know that "fact" is bullshit. Humans don't pee led.
Well you have problems.
I work, have a car, go to the gym, I'm fit, Fk any female I want, I have loads of money, I'm happy by myself. Just accept that I'm living well and you don't like it.
Oh please. Stop trying to be foolish.
You don't know me.
This is terrible advice
You curse too much :(
I'm sorry. :(
It's for impact purposes, I would never do it in a normal conversation where I'm concerned with the person's feelings. But here I can't afford that. :(
Treat women like shit, sounds like a good plan.
When did I say to treat her like shit?
Don't speak back to me, woman.
I'm not you woman, mangina.
Haha, very well written! Great writing skills :)
Excellent writing skills but this is entirely inaccurate. What a waste of efficient grammar, spelling and sentence structure.
Epic fucking take.