Can they think of any more ways to poison us? Glyphosate and other agricultural poisons, Apeel, and now "Bud Nip?

[Lliam]

Bud Nip (Chorpropham) can now be found in lima and snap beans, blueberries, cane berries, carrots, cranberries, garlic, onions, spinach, sugar beets, tomatoes, soybeans, and potatoes.
It prevents them from sprouting. But what else does it do?

They just started doing this without any disclosure to the public. Were you aware of it?

The FDA consistently puts corporate profits over human health while making "scientific" rationalizations and pretending to be the agency "responsible for protecting the public health by ensuring the safety, efficacy, and security of human and veterinary drugs, biological products, ..."

https://mefirstliving.com/blogs/health-wellness/the-dangers-of-chlorpropham-aka-bud-nip

[NathanDavis]

seems like they're not done yet... "lobbyists"

"House Republicans approved legislation Friday that would slash nearly 40 percent of the budget for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

The funding bill, passed by a 213-203 vote, cuts 39 percent of the EPA’s budget and would be the smallest budget the agency has had in three decades."

"The Food and Drug Administration has moved from an entirely taxpayer-funded entity to one increasingly funded by user fees paid by manufacturers that are being regulated (up to 46%)."

[Lliam]

True. I'm glad you are aware of it. 👍

[RealMarek]

There is no accountability and we don’t ever get a real choice when it comes to this sort of thing.

[lightbulb27]

tested as safe? ugh...

I learned long ago in school... and one of the few things I actually learned... this is a "caveat emptor" society. e. g. Let the buyer beware.

In this case, you have no choice and are unaware of the down stream effects, if any.

This why I strive to grow my own or trust the source, but it's nowhere near enough.

I suspect food in Europe better quality for this and other reasons... they don't trash their food supply.

How can we fight back against GMO, Glyphosate and such junk when our system is all about $ and feeding the masses to control them, and low cost? our system is a double edged sword.

[MiddleAgedClimbee]

This is a sad state of affairs in this country. Just more reason to grow your own, if possible, or source from smaller local farms that practice healthy farming methods versus chemical agents that will eventually destroy the soil and affect pollinators and other beneficial insects.

[Lliam]

Right on, bro. That's what my wife and I do.
It sucks that this stuff is even allowed, though. It's hard to avoid completely even if you try hard. And I think of all the people who don't have a clue.

It's cool that you are aware of the soil, pollinators and beneficial bugs. There is water pollution and harm to birds and amphibians, too. It's bad for everything.

[MiddleAgedClimbee]

I'm in the agronomy sector, a consultant. I started my career as a trained arborist. Most of my work now revolves around it disease evaluation and soil testing with plant recommendations/vegetation recommendation for ranchers. What I don't do is recommend throwing chemicals at problems.

[Lliam]

I was Board Chair of a local Environmental Nonprofit for 6 years up to 2011. We did education. We weren't crazy activists.
My Executive Director was talking to a local farmer one day and he was proudly talking about his new sub-soiling plow that didn't turn the soil. He said he had been told to spray his fields with Roundup to kill everything before using it.
My ED simply asked "Do you have to spray it first?" And the farmer said "Yeah, I was wondering the same thing."
He got the plow to keep his soil fertile and was trying to do the right thing. In the end, he didn't spray the poison.
Private farmers love the Earth more than anybody or they wouldn't be in that business. The problem is, they are continually miseducated or coerced to do harmful things. The same with ranching.

[sage2021]

I know the taste of food is different no matter what you eat. Probably from GMOing our food and putting weird stuff in it to make it look like you're getting a lot - but only God and the people doing it know what they're putting in our food to make it taste different and not good anymore.

[Lliam]

Absolutely!

[SherriMarieValentine]

Go observe a commercial farmer for a day, a week, what-have-you. Then see what it takes. THEN, you'll have a better idea to speak about it. I am NOT a proponent of the fallacy of "Appeal to authority" but, as they say, "Walk a mile in someone else's shoes. . ."

I have Chronic Lymphocyctic Leukemia (B-Cell), so in my life time, that includes military service, God only knows what I was exposed to. So, yes, I am a proponent of less or NO chemical exposure. It is obvious this type of exposure is bad. No sane person would argue.

Look at what needs to be done to do commercial farming. It's fine to bring something to light, but unless you are presenting a recommendation or suggestion you are just whiney bitch that is complaining to check off your Karen quals.

[Lliam]

I am well aware of what it takes to make a living at farming. Your Karen comment is inappropriate.

What is wrong with educating people about the toxins in food? And, the fact is, most of those toxins are unnecessary. They mainly benefit the bio-engineering and chemical industries, and big-ag corporations.
Those industries actually make it harder to privately owned farms to make a living.

And why would you defend the human consumption of poisons, not to mention the sterilization of soil, water pollution, the killing of beneficial bugs and other creatures?

Golly, how did humans survive before GMOs and poisons when EVERYTHING was "organic"?

[purplepoppy]

It's not a problem to humans but it is to wildlife particularly bees birds and fish https://sitem.herts.ac.uk/aeru/ppdb/en/Reports/153.htm#2

When a lot of countries ban it you know that there's a problem.

[Daniela1982]

Well, just add those to hormones in our meat and poultry. And don't forget all the mercury in out seafood.

[Lliam]

Yum!

[sage2021]

@Daniela1982
I know! My son has to live with another family in their home because I am sick and cannot care for him.
Anyway, whenever he calls me I ask what he had for lunch and usually the reply I "Tuna fish sandwich". So my gets loud enough for the lady who is caring for him when I say "I told you not to eat tuna 🐟 fish. It's not healthy for you. It has heavy metals and mecury from God knows where in them & so stop eating them"!!! I talked to him the other day where he was at someone else's home when he called and I asked "So, what did you have for lunch"? And you already guessed it 🤷🏼‍♀️🐟.

[Daniela1982]

@sage2021 At your age your son should be old enough to take care of you, not you him.

[sage2021]

#Daniela1982
Yes, chronically he is old enough but I am sorry to say that he is developmentally disabled. ) I didn't want to say that

[Sevenpointfive]

thank god for miraclegro. been using that for a long time! and they stopped using poison in 2018, or started a new one? naw... they wouldn't, would they?

[FunkyMonkee]

And they keep dumping chemtrails on us almost every day, too!

[Lliam]

It's true. Nobody knows exactly what's in that shit.

[FunkyMonkee]

Only those that are doing (or, at least, ordering) the dumping! I sure hope Trump closes down Monsanto for good this time around!!

[sage2021]

@FunkyMonkee
What are chemtrails Daddy? 🤷🏼‍♀️

[sage2021]

@FunkyMonkee
I used to work in an chemical company and Monsanto was one of the lines we sold. Those huge bags of Round-up that made so many people sick and die. I Sutter to think it was right near the desk where I sat for almost two years!

[FunkyMonkee]

@sage2021 Go outside on a sunny day and watch the sky for a while. Eventually, you'll see a number of jets flying across the sky and there'll be this long white "cloud" of smoke coming out of the back end. If they evaporate in a few moments, those are contrails; condensation from the jet. On a winter's day, if you're outside and you exhale heavily from your mouth, you'll see a huge puff of smoke coming out of your mouth even if you DON'T smoke! That's the same as a contrail.
If the trail coming out of the jet DOESN'T evaporate in a few moments, that's a chemtrail. It's chemicals that they are dumping on us to try to control us or even kill us. If you want, stand there and watch it for a while and you'll notice how it keeps spreading out the closer it gets to the ground.
Monsanto, basically, killed my singer. He was in Viet Nam and, because he was exposed to Monsanto's agent orange, he eventually developed testicular cancer. He kind of beat it about 12 years later but it eventually came back and killed him nearly 30 years later.

[sage2021]

@FunkyMonkee
Thank you Daddy 🙂 But now you have me curious. I knew a young man - 20ish who was my son's caregiver for about a year or so. He was stealing from us by putting things in garbage bags and saying he was taking out the trash. He finally pushed me too far when he was stealing my son's new Levi jeans in all the cool colors, new shirts, etc. My son didn't even get to wear them once and he would put them in garbage bags and take them to Mexico! I fired him.
Then about a year or so later he calls me from the hospital. He has testicular cancer for the second time and was just about going for his surgery that day. He wanted me to know he was sick. I told him he needed to confess all of his sin's to God and ask for forgiveness before the surgery. I never heard from him again.
I wonder how such a young, sturdy guy would get cancer there twice? Would you have any idea?

[FunkyMonkee]

@sage2021 Lifestyle. What he ate. Stress he might've been under.

[sage2021]

@funkymonkey
He was a Corona Beer 🍺 alcoholic. His mom didn't have much money to feed her 3 kids, but she kept feeding them boiled cactus.
.

[Stevepro68]

There is no bigger cottage industry right now than making people afraid. Of others of war or strange ideas, and yes tons and tons of BS fear mongering about food water etc. Remember nothing is 100% toxic or 100% safe. There is a safe dose of water and there is a deadly dose of water. There is a safe dose of plutonium and a deadly dose of plutonium. When it comes to ingredient fear mongering be very very skeptical.

[rigmarole]

Maybe you should take responsibility for your own food supply... Stop focusing on getting a big house, a nice car, the newest clothes, etc. and buy some agricultural zoned land. Put in the hard labor yourself and then you will have food security, know what's been put into your food supply, and have riper more nutritionally dense and flavorful food. If you don't like how industry does their job, then compete and produce your own food. Stop crying to the government to fix your own laziness.

[Lliam]

Golly. You're brilliant.

[sage2021]

@rigmarole

Why don't you start up companies that do what you're saying and go to people's land and they can have fresh food too? Not many people know how to do what you do, and it takes a lot of time and elbow grease too. If someone has to work 40+ hours a week they won't have time to do what you suggest. Do you have a job outside of growing your own food? How do you pay for it? Be honest ok?

[rigmarole]

@sage2021 I don’t don’t grow all of my own food, but I do grow a sizable portion of it. Thus I understand why certain chemicals are used sometimes. By using them you save a lot of labor/time/cost/fuel and are able to bring affordable food to market. That’s why I suggested he grows his own if it is such a priority for him. Once he’s done it with his own two hands, he will understand why farms do what they do, and that certain chemicals while bad, are generally less bad then what was uses several years before them. Additional many chemicals have a reasonable half life and don’t significantly impact human health if you apply them at an appropriate time in the growing season. No farm wants to apply chemicals to food. It’s not like they are free. Herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides all have a heavy price to them so profit minded people want to use as little of them as possible just from an economic point of view.

[rigmarole]

@sage2021 That said, you can grow plenty of food for yourself and your community organically. There are people in my area that run small market gardens (roughly 3 acres) successfully and turn a profit providing healthy produce to the community. I personally do not garden/farm 100% organically, but I for the most part I try. In my area Bahiagrass is a real pain in the ass. When breaking new grown if I don’t use selective herbicides it’s next to impossible to get rid of the stuff even when you cover grown with silage tarps for like 6 months… So I understand the struggles of commercial farmers who work on a much larger scale than I…

[rigmarole]

@sage2021 I work a normal work week. I also run a small business on the side selling fruit trees, herbs, and perennial vegetables over the internet. Right now I roughly spend 3 hours a day (6-7 days a week) outside of my day job working on my side hustle/farm. Once I have developed that business more I will likely do it full time. As my fruit orchards mature more, I might consider selling produce to local restaurants or family owned grocers, but I’m not doing that at the moment.

[rigmarole]

*ground

[rigmarole]

It's like 10 AM on a Sunday and I've been outside working on just that since rough 6 AM this morning. I'm relaxing for a few minutes before I run to Home Depot to pick of some supplies for another unrelated project on the farm. So today farming got roughly 4 hours of my time...

[rigmarole]

@sage2021 As far as teaching people/consulting I don’t really have time for that at the moment even though I know there is a huge demand in the industry. There is demand for educators, demand for landscapers that can do installs, demand for nursery men that propagate plants, demand for organic produce in CSAs, etc. One person can only wear so many hats. For me, I feel propagating plants is the most enjoyable. Fruit tree prices have doubled to tripled in the past year or two. You could go to 10-15 nurseries and still not walk away with many of the plants you want. The demand is extremely high right now. It always improves with economic down turns as people become more concerned about food security. Not to mention lock downs and food rationing from the pandemic. It’s really on a lot of people’s minds at the moment.

[exitseven]

at least its not Bud Light.

[ThrillSeeker01]

Interesting. That's news to me.

[Lliam]

I heard about it when I read a story about a 4th grade girl who tried to sprout store-bought sweet potatoes. When they didn't sprout, she went to the store and asked the produce manager who told her about Bud Nip. Then she looked it up.

What's really fucked up is, the do this stuff without telling consumers because they have FDA approval as if it's perfectly harmless. They only way we hear about it is from whistle blowers.

[Daniela1982]

I guess since they couldn't kill us off with Covid they are trying something else.

[Grond21]

They have betrayed their mission