A Look At Snobby Females

[ManOnFire]

The snobby female has been a topic of wonder and discussion for a long time, and although I did get over caring about them in years past, recently I have given it some new thought, and I really don’t know why to be honest.

Some time ago out of the blue I posted a poll on Google+ asking people who they think can be snobbier/more stuck-up, men or women. As expected, most people - both men and women - out of over 600 voters picked women in a landslide of 82%, while a measly 12% said men (which I think most of those people picked just for kicks, lol). It’s just a small social media poll, I know, but I did find it interesting and wonder what the results would be on a much wider scale. So since then I got to thinking about it more and wanted to write this. I guess I’m mostly just talking about it here, and you may have some ideas of your own.

Screenshot of my Google+ poll. Tried to make it a lot sharper but this is the best I could do.

It’s been a long overused cliche comeback from females that men who call women stuck up are just mad because he got turned down and rejected, a comeback they often seem to think works for every situation with how guys feel or explains each one when it doesn’t. Even other women perceive the snobbery of their gender, so are they mad that other women don’t want them either? This isn’t about the dating scene or how a girl responds to some guy at a club or party, I’m talking about the real everyday life. And I know, I know. Some of the females are actually gonna try to convince me and you that men are either just as snobby as women or snobbier, and some of the guys are gonna play noble neutrality and say “It’s really not a gender thing.” Although there are no doubt snobby men out there - and I’ve met some myself - it isn’t necessary to pretend being unbiased about a topic I think the majority of us do perceive to be mostly a thing with females.

“You’re overthinking it,” may be the usual predictable response to a Take like this by the folks who like trying to be witty, snappy, or smart, and my answer would be: I am a thinker, and I’m pretty observant of personalities, behaviors, and characteristics, so I am talking about what I think here, yes. It doesn’t have to matter to you, but I would like to share for anyone who wants to engage.

Justification…

There are some women who actually do admit that their gender is snobbier but only if they can blame it on men, other people, or their circumstances. Some women have the attitude that you have to be a bitch to get ahead in the world or be respected, but this is really just an excuse for them to want to act like one. There’s a difference between being a bitch and being firm and not letting people walk all over you, and some women think the former is really necessary. In the same way, they seem to think that snobbery is a You-better-take-me-seriously signal they can send when all it does is repel people and get you less respect. Often they’ve filled themselves up with ideas that the world is so against women, or that they’ve had it the roughest or worst as a woman. They’ve used up a lot of inner energy and headspace holding people in contempt for their ideas and the way they feel that they make themselves into something people really do hate.

People generally are not interested in someone who is stuck up unless they’re the same way or actually find that to be a sexy trait (I’ve heard strange stories). They don’t want to be friends with you when you’re a snob, they don’t want to date you, and they don’t want to work with you if you’re standoff-ish. Snobby women usually know this, but aren’t going to change and feel justified in being the way they are. They will feel that no one likes them and resent men for not approaching them and thinking the way they think about them, yet not see the link to why that is the case.

A self-defense mechanism ?...

Part of me thinks snobbiness in women may be a weak form of self-defense from not just men but the rest of the world, especially if these women are not very confident in themselves or feel very awkward having to be around other people. So snobbiness is her way of letting people know she doesn’t want to talk to them and doesn’t want them to talk to her either. Does that make it acceptable? Not by far. You are going to be in this world with many other people and you are going to have to interact with them sooner or later too. Better get started now.

However, in situations of attraction, some snobs have been told they’re pretty again and again by guys or say that “so many guys are always hitting on them,” and I usually take it with a grain of salt. Often times a woman will take basic male attention or compliments and try to blow it up to be a lot more than it really is to make herself seem very sexually important or desired, thus will pretend being snobby towards males under the guise of defending herself from “getting hit on” any further. In actuality, women who really do get lots of attention generally don’t talk about it much or act snobbish or dismissive with men but really the opposite, and when they do talk about it it’s usually just a simple acknowledgement of the fact in any average conversation with friends.

And then you have women who only act snobby with other women because they either think they’re better and prettier than they are, or because it is in some real defense resulting from bad experiences with women in the past, like in highschool or college or having women be jealous of them, betray them, or gossip about them. So they feel like they need to be snobby with their own gender to deflect ‘bitches’ or protect against possibilities of new scrutiny or ridicule. But again, that isn’t the answer. Showing snobbiness will still get you hated.

Usually a case with younger women…

No doubt, I’ve met older women who are terribly stuck up, but snobbery tends to be far more common in younger women than in older ones. And the irony of it is that if anyone were to have more of a reason or be more qualified to be stuck up it would be older women because they’ve seen more life, have more experience, have more knowledge, and know how to handle people better, yet younger females who haven’t even really begun to learn half as much about life as olders are the foulest and seem to think they’re in a position to feel superior and are not by far.

The job I work now is very predominantly female, and many of the older women I work with are fine. They speak and acknowledge you - some don’t though because they’re unhappy - we get along and connect quite well and they are easier to work with, while the vast majority of younger females are total snobs, especially the ones in their early 20s. They will either keep to themselves, or only want to talk to the guys they’re infatuated with and who give them the time of day, or have a giggly, gossipy sisterhood among themselves. They put their heads down when they walk past you so they don’t have to speak, or look silly pretending to be on their phones. Some of the younger women really are okay and we do fine together, but most are snobbish. But of course, my job isn't the only place I see this and experience it, but in almost any situation in every day life, from the train station to the mall to the grocery store.

So why with younger women? It probably is just another trait of the self-centeredness of the younger generation, a false sense of feeling that you’re too good for certain people or most people yet your social and communication skills are poor and limited and you still don’t even have nearly enough to offer in life but think you’re superior to your neighbors.

How to do deal with snobby women…

Some guys - and some females - do complain about snobby women and being unable to deal with them, and I guess it can get under your skin to a certain point, especially if you have to associate with them often or have them in your environment regularly. But the best way to deal with a snob is to treat her the same way she’s treating you and everyone else: act like she doesn’t exist.

If it’s one thing a snobby woman cannot bear it’s being treated the same way she treats others. It’s like throwing gasoline and matches on the devil. And she especially hates it if you’re in a group with her and people she knows or people you know, and you acknowledge everyone but her, and then when they’re gone and it’s just the two of you, particularly in a work environment, and you’re still not speaking to her, it does get to her whether she shows it or not. I know this has been my experience many times in the past. She thinks highly of herself and has noticed that you block her out and she wonders why. Why doesn’t he/she think I’m the greatest like everyone else does? Why aren't they talking to me? What do they see in me that would make them think I’m unimportant? After awhile she starts breaking and making mousy efforts to be friendly or speak here and there, and that’s how you know it worked.

And to really top the cake, if you’re a guy and you’re blocking her out while you’ve developed a friendship with other people she knows, especially if it’s a flirty, friendly one with her female friends, that really makes her burn. I love that the most.

So if you're in a situation like this, simply treat her as unimportant as she thinks she isn't and she usually comes down to earth, and if not, keep doing it anyway. Snobby women like it when their snobbery gets to people. Don't give them the satisfaction they're looking for. Hit their ego between the legs with pure indifference. Act like they don't matter.

So what is it?...

To me, snobbiness in women seems to come down to ego mostly. People usually say that men have bigger egos than women, but I don’t really think that’s true. I do think it might apply in areas where men think they’re experts on a certain thing or think they understand something the best, and if they have a big job or career that gives them elevated self importance, but in overall every day life I would have to say I think the bigger ego belongs to women, and you may have heard me talk about this before.

I also think it is a result of a severe brokenness inside. And when I say brokenness I mean their inner mind and spirit is just a total mess not caused by other people like they think, but caused by their own lack, emptiness, and poor development. Some of us can see right through them while they do a good job at fooling others. I'll finish this Take by letting a quote speak for itself:

#GetUnStuckUp

[confusedgirl239]

Honestly, what I think creates a snobby person is that person not having to work for anything and being entitled to too much. Too much wealth being bestowed upon someone can make them snobby (not always) or parents who don't discipline their child.
You're right. Just ignore them. I hope that eventually they'll realize that they have no real friends and no one can stand them and maybe they'll have a "come to Jesus" moment. Until then, just worry about how to be the best person yourself and leave this girls (and guys) in the dust.

[winterfox10]

True, but there are definitely women who are straight up predatory with their abuse.

There was a girl I knew in college who had dated my friend from high school. She started off friendly enough, but it was obvious that she had some level of disdain for me fairly soon. I remember this one time when I was smoking a cigarette on the porch, and she came out to enjoy the night air and talk with me. She asked me what kind of girl I liked, and I told her what I was looking for, in general terms.

She pauses for a moment, looks over at me and says (and I shit you not) "Huh, that girl used to be me, but not anymore." So I laugh it off and eventually connect a little better with her older sister. As soon as her older sister and I get along well, the girl immediately starts trying to discourage me and scare me away. Just about everything except straight up sabotage.

[cth96190]

I would suggest that you look at female behaviour in another way.
Rather than becoming annoyed that a woman is what you call snobby, be thankful that you did not have to invest time and money to find out that she was unsuitable as potential mother of your future children.
Every time that the bitch shield goes up, thank them for saving you time and money.

[Unit1]

This is a very good advise!

Ha! This will do!

[Djaay]

True story , that's always how I take it with them including rejections.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well it is definitely more prominent in women and it makes sense. Society caters to women, they are a mans "better half", the "fairer sex" they are figures of beauty while men are just societies beat up truck good for work but hard on the eyes as far as society is concerned. Women need to be protected and prioritized which of course would only happen if they are important, men are not which would lead one to believe they are not important. Men throw themselves at women and stand in "awe" of them, all of this states to a woman that she is important that she is better then others. When she needs help with something some one swoops in and does it for her, the only people who get that treatment are important people ergo she must be important. Its kind of hard not to become snobbish when your spoiled by every one around you even society itself. Thats why historically rules where put in place in society to keep this in check. Women where viewed as valuable but they never forgot that women could also be fickle and volatile (for instance in greece hera was a goddess who was the patron of marriage and childbirth/fertility and women. She was loved and respected for that but they also made a point to show that when she became angry she would do massive destruction she would lash out etc. etc., in fact in some rituals they would chain her statues as a symbol of trying to restrain the negative aspects of her which in turn symbolized the negative aspects of women (thats what societies function is, emphasis on the good while mitigating the bad, for both men and women) and the need to be aware of and restrain those traits. Currently society restrains those traits for men but has removed such restraints on women even going so far as to suggest that they are good. This has created an imbalance which results in, among many many other things, women being more snobbish and aloof then they would otherwise be as men are conditioned now to view women as essentially above reproach and women are taught that they are above reproach.

[alphadoggystyle]

Yeah you're right, and while you already hinted at this i will take it one step further, Many women are snobby and think highly of themselves as a self-defense mechanism. They are on some level insecure of the perception that males are superior to women, some of them are aware that this perception is based on fact, but still deny it and try to counter it with snobbiness, trying to uplift or empower themselves just by wishful thinking. Some of them are afraid of the truth, insecure and trying their best to convince themselves that the genders are equal or even go as far as telling themselves women are better in self-defense, even though just by their daily experiences they will often be reminded that men are the superior and dominant gender.

The women who acknowledge that patriarchy is natural and that men are dominant and superior, even though women are just as valuable to society, these women know that they are still able to pursue their goals and with a much more happier and relaxed outlook on life (knowing that women have their place in society as well and that being the submissive gender doesn't mean you are being oppressed), they will realize that most men will treat them very good even though they dont excel in any skill or profession. Something which the average man doesn't get from majority of women regardless of how nice and kind he is, unless he proves himself through some type of talent he will be invisible almost.

So basically feminism has made many women think they can compete with men and when they slowly but surely notice the signs that they actually cannot reach the same level as men in many areas, they get insecure, frustrated and angry, as you know many women only accept a truth if her feelings allow it, so she would rather be in denial in these cases.

[IceCubedude]

i agree with you and i did have to deal with such girls either at work or college, they think the world revovles around them , theyre the most important and you're just there for them when they need something from you... however what they failed to realize is that i can be a little bitch and snobby even though iam usually pretty nice and respectful , if i suspect a woman is trying to act in a snobbish way, i stop talking to her altogether , iam not interested regardless of how hot she is , and the funny thing? even unattractive women act like that.

and you're right acting like they dont exist makes them want you more.

[ManOnFire]

Yes! Unattractive women act the same way too!

[19magic]

I can't deal with snobby stuck up girls, I've been looked down on a lot and won't let it happen to me anymore. I used to take the bus everywhere still do a lot of the time, but this girl was like oh your disgusting only filthy poor people use them, I've never set foot in one in my life. My parents can drive me everywhere, and when I'm 17 I can get my own car which my dad is getting me for my birthday. That's just one example of her, I had a few fights with her and then one day stopped talking to her and pretended she didn't exist.

[Abe90]

Yea... those types of people don't know what life is gonna really be like. Daddy buying her a car? When she has to live on her own and pay her own bills, she's gonna find out that the bus isn't that bad of transportation. That girl is spoiled; so don't even listen to her

[Jackofblades96]

Thank you friend for your insight. Its certainly a fascinating subject that has given me pause more than once. I think you're right about them being broken... probably without even knowing it but you are most assuredly correct about younger women, i find it so easy to speak or flirt with middle aged women or older but these young-uns in their 20's... for these concise reasons you listed its clear why and i shall definitely be using that method of defensive snobbery on the bitches that are like that

[ManOnFire]

Trust me. It works every time, man👌

[SovereignessofVamps]

Pretend like they don't exist? Honestly from reading your mytake, it sounds like you think they're hot and wanna fuck them. And it's like... you kind of try to rationalize how you feel away, by saying there's something wrong with snobby chicks or that they're messed up. Maybe you like how she breaks the rules?

[redeyemindtricks]

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[Elarra]

Oh snap!

[ManOnFire]

via GIPHY
Clearly... you could not have honestly thought I think they're hot and wanna fuck them for me to even say everything I just said in this Take. What you said makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I have no desire for them and no sexual interest in them. Did you read this whole thing? Somehow I don't think you did.

[Elarra]

Honestly, it sounds like you're bitter that they aren't giving you attention. If you really didn't pay them attention, you wouldn't have taken the time to write an entire Take about the subject because that in effect is giving attention. And you dismiss their attitudes by saying 'It's men's fault' they are like that, which is not only a sweeping generalization, but also wrong. The women who tend to say that are women who have been HURT by men or used by them, not one who is snob.

So... sorry, but I have to agree with @SovereignessofVamps

[ManOnFire]

@Elarra I think you just WISH I was bitter so it could explain it away to make you feel better about it. I have no desire for such women and I never even pursue them. I wrote this Take because as I said in the beginning: I am a thinker and I observe people's behaviors and character.

Nowhere in this Take did I dismiss their attitudes by saying it's men's fault. I don't think you read this whole thing either, because everything you're saying falls terribly out of place with it.

[Elarra]

@ManOnFire

1. Don't flatter yourself, boo boo.

2. "Often times a woman will take basic male attention or compliments and try to blow it up to be a lot more than it really is to make herself seem very sexually important or desired'

'It’s been a long overused cliche comeback from females that men who call women stuck up are just mad because he got turned down and rejected, a comeback they often seem to think works for every situation with how guys feel or explains each one when it doesn’t.'

'They will feel that no one likes them and resent men for not approaching them and thinking the way they think about them, yet not see the link to why that is the case.'

Those are your words, are they not? So women think this, right? That's why are snobs? I was talking about how you make it seem like women use that as their excuse.

[ManOnFire]

@Elarra 1. You're trying to sound a lot smarter than you really are.

2. ''It’s been a long overused cliche comeback from females that men who call women stuck up are just mad because he got turned down and rejected, a comeback they often seem to think works for every situation with how guys feel or explains each one when it doesn’t.''
- You're doing exactly that by saying I'm bitter for writing about them, still proving my point.

'Those are your words, are they not? So women think this, right? That's why are snobs? I was talking about how you make it seem like women use that as their excuse.'
- SOME of my words, but you're overlooking everything else I talked about to make those points be the MAIN ones when they're not. I highlighted that the biggest reasons women act snobby is because of exulted sense of self even with not just men but OTHER WOMEN, sense of superiority especially in youth, and inner emptiness, lack of development, and brokenness.

[ManOnFire]

You're picking parts you want to support an argument that will make you feel better about what was written, and it's not working.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@ redeyemindtricks I love being honest xD

@Elarra Yeah, like he's really talking about what he wants... like if a snobby chick, who turns down lots of guys, gave mytakeowner attention he'd probably feel elated. Like how any guy would, since the person who rejects so often actually noticed or even complimented him. I think it's obvious.

@ManOnFire I read what I didn't read b4 now. And I feel the same way. It's like you... you really want to be noticed by them. Like this part 'She thinks highly of herself and has noticed that you block her out and she wonders why. Why doesn't he/she think I’m the greatest like everyone else does? Why aren't they talking to me? What do they see in me that would make them think I’m unimportant? After awhile she starts breaking and making mousy efforts to be friendly or speak here and there, and that’s how you know it worked.'

See. You want her to focus on you. You want her to talk to you, and be isolated with you. You want her to depend on your approval.

[redeyemindtricks]

@sovereignessofvamps Yeah

I mean... his bottom-line advice is, "Don't give them the satisfaction they're looking for. Hit their ego between the legs with pure indifference. Act like they don't matter."

This ^^ is NOT something someone would ever even THINK to say... unless he WAS, by default, *interested* in these women.

If OP actually WAS indifferent to these women, then, it would never even have occurred to him to say this. In that case, it'd be like saying, "Don't hit on girls you find ugly", or "Don't talk to people who always annoy you" -- it'd be so obvious that no one would ever even think to say it.

[Elarra]

Take should be titled 'Why I Classify Women Who Turned Me Down As Snobs'.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@redeyemindtricks Exactly!! And, unless it's really obvious or really mean, who says the snobby girl would care about his 'rejection'? He says he does this in groups, so she could just care because he thinks he must dislike her because of something specific or the group dislikes her, so she wants to eventually find out what's wrong. That's not the same as needing his approval at all... unless this is how mytakeowner gets his foot in the door with girls like this lol

[ManOnFire]

@redeyemindtricks @SovereignessofVamps You're both reading a lot deeper into this Take than you should and trying NOT to take it for what it is. I have no desire whatsoever to be noticed by them and really couldn't care less if they did - which has happened before and I still wasn't interested. Why would I want a woman who is a snob? What appeal would that hold for me? So just because I wrote something about snobs means I'm into them? So if I wrote about how much I hate toilet sex does that mean I'm into it?

"Like this part 'She thinks highly of herself and has noticed that you block her out and she wonders why. Why doesn't he/she think I’m the greatest like everyone else does? Why aren't they talking to me? What do they see in me that would make them think I’m unimportant? After awhile she starts breaking and making mousy efforts to be friendly or speak here and there, and that’s how you know it worked.'"
- I'm talking about 'you' as in YOU the reader, whether you're male or female.

[Elarra]

@ManOFire Uh oh, now we're going after someone's intelligence? That's the first sign that you have no real point.

And you told me no where in your Take did you mention it being about men. I just proved you wrong lol. Don't get mad because you can't remember what you wrote. That's your problem.

[Elarra]

Eh, just leave it alone guys. He can't take criticism.

@SovereignessofVamps @redeyedmindtricks

[ManOnFire]

@Elarra You're still trying to sound smart with sarcasm and it's working even less.

"And you told me no where in your Take did you mention it being about men. I just proved you wrong lol. Don't get mad because you can't remember what you wrote. That's your problem."
- Here, I'll highlight it for you: "This isn’t about the dating scene or how a girl responds to some guy at a club or party, I’m talking about the real everyday life." I talked about men in it very little of the time, while everything else was the main point. Your debate isn't working.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@Elarra xD IKR he won't admit it.

[ManOnFire]

@Elarra CONSTRUCTIVE criticism I can take. But not taking someone at face value? Isn't criticism, it's derision.

@SovereignofVamps Let me ask you: are YOU a snob?

[redeyemindtricks]

Ok, then... what WAS yr motivation for writing this take?

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[SovereignessofVamps]

@ManOnFire You're funny!

[ManOnFire]

@redeyemindtricks Now. That's much better. You actually have respect enough to actually use your ears.

If you read the first lines, I noted that I really didn't know exactly why I wrote it, it was just something on my mind at the time. Believe it or not, this is OFTEN the case for most of my thoughts :O I am ALWAYS thinking about something, and always want to write about it. Anything can come to my mind at any time.

Part of me also wrote it because of the younger stuck up females on my job, like I also mentioned. To be honest I really couldn't care less if you or any other female disagreed with this Take, but to not take me at face value and presume that I'm actually ATTRACTED to snobs? THAT really does offend me, because they're really very foul and toxic and I absolutely try to avoid them in my life, regardless of if they give me the time of day or not, and like I said some have and I still didn't care.

[ManOnFire]

@SovereignessofVamps I gotta say, Sovereign, I'm really disappointed in you. I thought you were cooler and smarter than this.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@ManOnFire Oooh, so now I could be a snobby chick from your other response, and now you want me... to want your approval, like by arguing with your opinion of how cool I am xD

[ManOnFire]

@SovereignessofVamps I'm less concerned about you wanting my approval and a lot more interested in you taking me at face value.

[redeyemindtricks]

Lots of guys are terminally attracted to foul and toxic bitches. Almost to where it's like an addictive drug.

I mean...
witness yr comment
"that *really* makes her burn. I love that the most."

And I remember you've written on a couple other occasions about how much you love porn where the girls are obviously suffering, and have bitten off more than they can chew, etc.

I mean... Given all that... I'm *strongly* inclined to believe that YOU, too, are attracted to toxic bitches. And that you WANT them, in that hate-fuck sort of way... perhaps more than anything else.

Nothin wrong with that... I mean... Hate-fucking is the best fucking. #mmhmm #fuckyeah Mb you're just in denial of that.

Tbh, dude, with all the salt you throw around on here, I think you and some toxic bitch would make an explosive combination. You two would probably trash yr place, and the cops would get called a few times... but, dude, THE SEX. <3 <3

Yes, I'm being completely serious.

[Elarra]

@SovereignessofVamps You hear that? A 30 year old man who you know through the net doesn't think you're cool or smart anymore. Now who's the snob? I wonder...

Like I said resorting to someone's intelligence just shows you don't have any points. I always tell my students that when writing, debating, or reporting, never comment on the other party in an insulting manner as it makes you look worse than they do.

You're welcome for the 9th grade Language Arts lesson your teachers must not have given you.

[ManOnFire]

@redeyemindtricks I think the idea that lots of guys are attracted to bitches is a fantasy bitches - and women with personalities similar to bitches - wish is the case a lot more than it is. The part about making her burn is about if you're a guy in general doing that, not me per se.

Putting a girl through the ringer sexually and hating tittyfucking (which is what you're referring to me writing about) is not the same thing as liking snobs, by far.

To you it's salt. To me it's shaking things up on a site where people are not very tuned into reality and are still living in highschool and college with limited thoughts. I'll pass on fucking the toxic bitch. Somehow I think you would do better in bed with her, seeing as you can relate to lesbian sentiments.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@ManOnFire Why do you want them to go through the ringer then?

[ManOnFire]

@Elarra She is someone through the net I grew to like, and I ain't gonna hide that. Don't see how snobbery is related to that.

"Like I said resorting to someone's intelligence just shows you don't have any points."
- I said you're trying to sound smarter than you are. That's not saying you're dumb, it's saying your argumentative speech is gawdier and pretentious above your normal intelligence.

"I always tell my students that when writing, debating, or reporting, never comment on the other party in an insulting manner as it makes you look worse than they do."
- Hmmmmmmm, yet you were the first one who said to me, "Don't flatter yourself."

I actually graduated in Language Arts with very high scores ;-)

[ManOnFire]

@SovereignessofVamps Because it's just something sexy about that, and that's the case for me ONLY with tittyfucking, and occasionally anal. Other than that, I like and want sex where she's enjoying it as much as I am. It's just the breast thing, that you as the guy are using her boobs for her own demise like that. It is so fucking hot. Don't get me all horny now, lol.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@ManOnFire No reason to be horny... I am so surprised anyone notices my posts, but you're like the 3rd guy to tell me. Thanks dude.

[redeyemindtricks]

"I think the idea that lots of guys are attracted to bitches is a fantasy"

Oh trust me, it isn't. As long as the bitches are hot, at least.

Most guys intuitively realize that a HOT woman is going to be CONSTANTLY bombarded with attention from "competitors".
If she's hot enough, then, guys come to understand bitchiness as an asset -- because it means that she's MUCH less likely to bother entertaining that competition, if she's taken... even for a second.

SMART guys ALSO understand that a *certain* quantity of "bitchiness" is GOOD when it comes to PARENTING, too. No one wants the mother of their children to be a pushover who can't hold the line -- *especially* if she's going to be the primary caretaker/parent, and therefore primarily responsible for things like discipline.

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Dude, I *once* wrote *one comment* about why *some* women watch lesbian porn. This isn't 7th grade cheerleader tryouts; it'd be appreciated if you could refrain from being "catty". You don't do Mean Girls well.

[ManOnFire]

@SovereignessofVamps I actually don't get a chance to see your posts a lot. It's about our conversations we've had in private. You're a lot more down-to-earth than I would've thought.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@ManOnFire Hunh? We talked about anal and I asked you to make up a story about it... or tell me one... cool you think so.

[ManOnFire]

@redeyemindtricks That sounds like Cosmo and Esquire bologna I've heard about more times than I can stomach. A HOT woman is relative. A hot woman to 10 guys is just meh to 20 or 30, and vice versa. If men really liked and wanted bitches all that much you wouldn't have so many of them complaining about how they "think" or "know" they're attractive yet no guys ever approach them. There's a reason for that. Bitches repel men a hell of a lot more than they attract them. And that's probably a fact that you're not gonna get since you're not a guy on the other side of the spectrum. Me and my male friends talk about it alllllllll the time. It almost IS wishful thinking for bitches.

No man wants a push-over woman with her kids, but he sure as hell don't want no bitch I can tell you that right now.

And I once wrote about liking how a girl hates tittyfucking and you took that as meaning I like snobs. If pushing back is being "catty" then I'm the biggest lion in the room :-)

[ManOnFire]

@SovereignessofVamps But it was the nature of the discussion.

[redeyemindtricks]

"If men really liked and wanted bitches all that much you wouldn't have so many of them complaining about how they "think" or "know" they're attractive yet no guys ever approach them."

^^ I would bet big bucks that these are women who are out of shape, who dress like shit, who have ratty hair or hoochie makeup, or who simply don't socialize much in the first place.

[SovereignessofVamps]

@ManOnFire Yeah I remember more now. You said you liked painful stuff. I think you like it, not because there's pain but because she's doing something... to impress you, so she doesn't mind her discomfort. Same as this IMHO.

[ManOnFire]

@redeyemindtricks You would prefer that to be the case so that it could support your argument. Try being a guy and meeting bitches who are attractive but cry about getting no approach and no likes. I meet plenty of them. You can fool somebody else with that magazine column analysis.

[ManOnFire]

@SovereignessofVamps Not doing it to impress me, doing it for my sake. The two aren't the same.

[ManOnFire]

@alphadoggystyle First response here with exactly the right idea.

[alphadoggystyle]

@redeyemindtricks you still think you understand men better than they understand themselves? nah in fact men understand women better than women understand men, and in some cases women dont even understand themselves since they are so hormonal and irrational.
Vast majority of men dont like toxic bitches or girls with attitude, guys like physically attractive women, and logically the most physically attractive women get away with the worst type of attitudes because many guys still want to fuck them due to their looks. But very few guys are drawn to the bitchiness itself, the ideal woman to most guys is someone who looks very good, is modest humble and kind in general while still not being a pushover, but still can be aggressive in bed. very hard to find someone like that unless you are wealthy, due to hypergamy and feminism and mainstream media encouraging women to do whatever they want without taking responsibility.

[guy532]

Fuck snobby women, they're good for nothing and most are boring with no personality or just straight up bitches. They think just because they're pretty (some aren't even pretty) it's a justification to treat others like shit. I actually find them hilarious and idiotic. The best feeing is when a girl first meets me and acts all snobby like she's out of my league and then she finds out more about me and realizes that I have a lot going for me and bam, the switch is turned off and I just keep thinking wtf is wrong with this chick, eh gross.

[InTimoreDei]

Scrolled down because I knew 100 percent that there would be women commenting typical nonsense like "you're just jealous" or "you're just bitter because you get rejected" *insert bitchy snobby voice* and, wow, was I ever correct in that assumption.

Girls, when will it ever get into your thick massive skulls with 2 millimeters of brain matter that everything isn't about you and our romantic pursuits.

We men of philosophical and theoretic minds sometimes just want to pursue theories of social interactions in a non-linear hypothetical way. Stop your narcissism. You're projecting your emotions onto what he said. It has NOTHING to do with whether or not he was rejected.

You girls seriously blow my minds... not sexually. Blow my minds with the stupidity.

[Gabriella171]

Some girls are really snobby but then there are girls who just feel like there better.

I get called stuck up because I carry myself like I deserve better and I have a resting mean face. It's not done on purpose but that's a way to keep people you have no interest in away. Sometimes I'll admit I'll intentionally ignore people because I feel like there a waste of my time. Some of the things you said weren't actually being snobby just some girl not wanting to be bothered by that particular person.

[RainbowFanGirl]

I do agree and I think that my own gender can be very snobby.

As you said I think that many women use this as a defense mechanism for something that lies a bit deeper than what is projected on the surface. Many women look down on themselves for whatever reason and feel that they are much worse than they actually are, so they put on this facade that masks what they are really feeling on the inside.

The other reason they may act like this is because of their upbringing. Many women who grew up getting anything they wanted may end up being snobby, stuck up adults. This can happen with either gender but you see it more often with girls. This is usually exaggerated on TV.

[ManOnFire]

Brokenness.

[RainbowFanGirl]

Brokenness? 😶

[ManOnFire]

What I was explaining at the end. Similar to what you said about feeling much worse than they actually are.

[Jujulius]

Yeah I avoid women of that caliber all together

[coralee]

Snobby and stuck-up are very genderized words they refer specifically to a type of arrogance we socialize in women. Men who exhibit arrogant behaviour are called arrogant, conceited or cocky. I don’t think women are any more likely then men to be arrogant but they are more likely to be snobby which is a type of arrogance associated with females.

[ManOnFire]

I believe that arrogance and snobbiness are fully more of a thing with women than with men. A man will think he's great just because he has a big career, muscles, money, etc. But a woman will think she's great just because she's a woman.

Take away all those things from the man and he will come down to earth. But a woman will still be foolishly proud and snobby even if she works part-time, is taking the bus, etc.

[coralee]

I disagree I’ve met just as many arrogant men. And no woman has ever thought she’s great just because she’s a woman. She might think she’s great because she believes she’s attractive or because her parents spoiled her. But not because she’s a woman. Many men on the other hand are socialized to believe they are great just by virtue of being men.

[JamesBoradil03]

well put

[Black_viper]

Well, the difference between men and women having to deal with the cocky ones from the opposite genders is that men are more likely to experience the cold rejection. Women are not wired to do the first move on men. It's hard at least for me to know who's snobby or just shy until I speak to the person. The women saying men are just as cocky. How did they found out? Did they even tried speaking to them?

[Nyx_85]

One time in the bathroom at a bar I told this girl her dress looked really pretty. She sucked her teeth at me! Being the nice passive person I am I just ignored her. But that aggressive little horned devil on my shoulder wanted to smash her face into the mirror and scream "SAY THANK YOU! YOU STUPID BITCH!" But I just imagined doing it and smiled. I can't stand snobby girls.

[Nyx_85]

Oh and people have assumed I was snobby before because I have Aspergers (very mild though. Almost as close to being neurotypical as one could get). I've been told I have little expression. Unless there is a particular thing I'm happy about I have to make a conscious effort to smile at people. I'm also really uncomfortable in crowds or with lots of people. So if I'm out at a bar or something and tons of people are bumping into me and invading my personal space I'm not happy. I'm freaked out. Why go out then? Well I often DD (I want my friends to get home safe) and I love to dance. I just want to find a space and dance.

[Blueeyes2016]

I think I have aspergers too. I more often than not wanna be left alone lol if it makes any sense

[Nyx_85]

@Blueeyes2016 Yeah perfect sense. Though with Aspergers you literally don't understand certain social things. You may say something people find offensive without have any idea that you offended them. You take things very literally.

[Blueeyes2016]

So true on so many levels wow..

[Black_viper]

@nyx_85 I'd stay home if I had aspergers. Don't spoil other people's night. Bars aren't a place for you

[Salsacumbia]

I like your take. I agree, all i can say, some not all girls are indeed stuck up bc they have nothing better else to do but to be miserable with their own life and they think they have the whole world all to themselves when they dont. I am no perfect eithet, but i respect everyone around me, and although i get girls who get jealous of me every day, i dont care bc i am totally cool with myself.

[CandacePerry]

Nice. take. some learning disabilities girls that I have met in college. One of the girls wanted everything that I had. It got to points that she ruin one of my relationship. I said to her that I don't want to be friend again. Then she keep trying to win my trust again all becuase she damage trust. I have 18p very rare learning disabilities. Also has deal with anoyied girls in my last ex boyfriend. That he got used by his ex boyfriend.

[CandacePerry]

Damage the trust. Of me

[Felinegirl]

Your poll sounds biased.
Using a only picture of a woman automatically gives people a nudge in the female direction.
Snobby is a word usually used for women, while men expressing the same behavior would be called something like arrogant.

[TuMeManques]

Very good points actually

[ManOnFire]

@Felinegirl Actually I tried to find a picture of both a man and a woman side by side but only found snobby female ones.

[redeyemindtricks]

@TuMeManques ikr?
I made the same point about the word "assertive", here:
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q2158478-what-is-the-difference-between-being-assertive-agressive

[flypaper]

@TuMeManques That's what I was thinking, snobby is a female word since it's usually even defined by bitchy which is also more or less a word targeted at women.

[Anonymous]

In my experience women struggle with finding the happy medium on being too bitchy vs too nice. Feminism is telling them to act like cunts and it’s okay because they are “strong” for doing so.

I also think modern men sometimes let women bully and walk over them because they fear appearing misogynistic if they fight back.

Women tend to be “middle to the road” bullies when it comes to this bullshit. They will never be top alpha males so to make themselves feel better they act snobby and bitchy to other men and women who are lower on the social strata.

[Nuala]

Yes, yes, women are awful snobby bitches. Congratulations you posted a negative My take. Instead of spreading the love you complained about girls. Good job.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Do you make those comments on all the negative posts on men as well? The fact is no one is calling women out on their behavior so if we refuse to acknowledge it exists then how does it get fixed, how does it get better?

[ManOnFire]

@hellionthesagereborn Don't waste time responding to stuff like this, man. It's just to get people to rally around her.

[hellionthesagereborn]

I know but I don't like people getting away with bullshit.

[Nuala]

@hellionthesagereborn
Yeah I do, other then generalize large groups of people articles like this are completely pointless. It's not like a snobby girl is just going to read this and go "oh my gee I need to stop being snobby this instant!" It just spreads negativity.
And plus it probably took a quiet awhile to write this up... who thinks oh what should I do with my Saturday evening... I know! I'll write an article complaining about stuff!
This just doesn't make sense to me.

[ManOnFire]

@hellionthesagereborn Look at it this way: if she said it in real life even less people would care.

[hellionthesagereborn]

You mention these things to point it out to people, when enough people agree they effectively start shunning these people and shaming them, they in turn alter their behavior so as not to be ostricised by society. Why do you think we criticise behavior so much as a species? Its to create solidarity and alter behaviors. They will not care so long as it remains a small group of people but the more who acknowledge it the more likely it is that it will start effecting these people and get the behavior to change.

[ManOnFire]

@Nuala I didn't write it to get snobby girls to change, and I don't really care if they do. I wrote it to shed more light on the topic and tell people how to deal with them.

[Anonymous]

Why does it matter? They want to be that way, let them. Obviously it's working or they'd stop. Just do you, I mean really who cares unless your mad that they don't except you or something. If that's the case, then they are doing you favor since they are doing the weeding out of crap that you would normally need to do yourself.

[ManOnFire]

"Obviously it's working or they'd stop."
- No sense. They do because they're lacking something inside that's not working. Being a snob hurts more than it helps. The only people they're fooling are themselves.

[Opinion Owner]

and that is working for them, as long as they are happy or think they are why does it matter?

[ManOnFire]

Okay, you can live in the fantasy you need to. What I'm saying in this Take is that being a snob doesn't really work or they wouldn't be so miserable and have people hate them. In some sense, you could argue that it doesn't matter but SHOULD matter to them. Hence my line: "Snobby women usually know this, but aren’t going to change and feel justified in being the way they are. They will feel that no one likes them and resent men for not approaching them and thinking the way they think about them, yet not see the link to why that is the case."

[Opinion Owner]

I don't know the girls I've known that could have been considered snobby are all happily married with kids now... there is someone out there for everyone but yeah if raging about this works for you then go for it I just don't see the point. All you can control is you and they are doing you a favor... you know right up front they are not your type so you don't waste your time. You can turn everything into a positive thing if you want but that doesn't seem to be what you want. I don't know why you think attacking someone ever makes anyone do what you want (get more flies with sugar) but yeah like I said whatever and have a good one!

[Anonymous]

I notice tho a lot of girls seem to think it's fine to not reply to a text. Especially on things like viber whatsapp iMessage, where you let the person know you read it.

Even to friends. Isn't that well pretty rude to say the least? Especially if they text other people and aren't busy at the time. And are texting them long messages or into the convo and then suddenly go quiet. So it's not like the guy is boring or not interesting/sexy.

Twisted logic.

[Opinion Owner]

It's crazy right

[Nyx_85]

Sometimes I just don't feel like talking. I go through periods of time when I want no contact with anybody unless I HAVE to talk to them because I'm face to face with them. It's not being snobby. It's called being antisocial. Maybe depressed... Big difference.

[Nyx_85]

The issue is that people think it's all to do with them. Yeah maybe she's ignoring you but maybe she's going through stuff or just doesn't feel like chatting. It's not all about you.

[crazy8000]

People that knows they are doing something off tends to justify what they are doing to feel they are doing the right thing, sometimes even tries to make the other one looks like the unconsidered one.

[BigJake]

Snobbishness has more to do with perceived self-worth, I think. Some girls have been raised to believe they are of such elevated value and breeding that literally 99% of people are beneath them and of no real consequence. Given that they are of no consequence, they deserve no consideration or attention, which is perceived by others as snobbishness. So, in that sense, I think snobbery is pickiness, manifested as a girl ignoring most of the world that she's deemed unworthy of... anything.