Reasons Masculine Men Are Better

[WowwGirl]

Reasons Masculine Men Are Better

In the past decade, the nice, effeminate man has been elevated above what he should be. When did a man who acts like a women become better than a Real Man who actually acts like a man? Here are five reasons Masculine Men are better than Soft Fragile Boys.

1. They Won't Judge Your Small Imperfections

Their sexuality functions on a more animalistic level, so they don’t assess you with their rationality or analytical skills, but with their guts and instincts.

Nice dandyish men are different. Since they care too much about their own appearance, they judge women the same way they judge themselves: through an artistic, ideal kind of beauty, the type that amazes a man’s left brain but leaves him more or less sexually aroused.

Effeminate men prefer cute over sexy. With their refined attention to details, they will mind if you didn’t draw your lines on your eyebrows correctly, notice if you’re carrying 5 extra pounds and be disgusted if your butt jiggles when you walk.

2. They Only Have Feelings At The Right Place And Time

They are laid back unemotional beings, and if a problem arises, they will deal with it and solve it on the spot, forgotten and forgiven a few minutes later.

You might find the sissified men cute at first when you witness them crying at the movies, but they also passive-aggressively throw outfits after having held inside their grudges for weeks for reasons you will never understand. They will choose the perfect time for it: your birthday.

3. They Take The Lead

They plan and organize the dates, and all you have to do is show up with your smile, relaxed and ready to have fun. Whereas effeminate men will ask you want you want to do, what restaurants you like and if their jeans make them look fat, effectively ruining the evening.

4. They Don’t Play Mind Games

They will be upfront with their intention and let you know what they want right from the start, which makes them more honest.

Oppositely, nice guys will put up an act, lying to you and befriending you in a slimy attempt at making their way inside your legs. When they realize you won’t let them in, their precious feelings are crushed, they call you an abusing bitch and make you responsible for all their troubles.

5. Our Bodies Even Know They Are Better

A woman prefers a more masculine man when she is fertile and looking for a fling rather than a mate for life, according to a new study. The finding suggests the value that women place on masculinity changes with context and with women's reproductive cycles and immediate goals.

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[OddBeMe]

I'm sure their conversation is just top notch...

[WowwGirl]

Ass 😂
You may be right

[OddBeMe]

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“Yeah...”
“Oh me too bro!”

[Truthatanycost]

You forgot the 'Do you even lift bro?''

[OddBeMe]

@Truthatanycost “oh bro, I lift. I lift chicks off the bed constantly!” (High fives)

[Juxtapose]

lol you won't find any disagreement from me this time man. That was good.

[OmNomaly]

Yo bro, we aren't allowed to be sad bro. Even if she says you're emotionally unavailable bro. Can't show her that you're human bro.

[WowwGirl]

Lmao

[Solo22]

Get that fucking poon bro.

[bamesjond0069]

Great list!

[WowwGirl]

Thanks thought of you lol

[bones0271]

Why did this comment get so many dislikes

[SlavBoi]

@bones0271 fembois started a crusade against masculine men

[bones0271]

Why are so many men just fucking pussies

[JustAHumanHere]

Here's your 'list' from a realistic point of view:
1. They won't judge your small imperfections. Ugh are you kidding me? Have you met straight masc men. I've never been judged by anyone but big ridiculous 'manly' men. They're incredibly rude and has irrational standards created by their image of what a woman should be.

2. They only have feelings at the right place and time. Yeah I'm sure that's what they said when the rape statistics came out. Second of all I would never, ever want a man who can't communicate or pretends he doesn't have emotions. If that's what I wanted then I'd fuck a toaster, do i want to fuck a toaster? No? For fucks sakes cry, it's healthy, feel what ever the hell you want to feel because your a human being.

3. They take the lead. Yeah that's why there's so many single moms out there and kids without dads right? My macho dad is a drunken alcaholic, while my hardworking mother carried the damn family emotionally, mentally, and financially. So much for a real man huh? Second of all no one wants a man to take the lead, their not your leaders, there your partners, and a partner should be equal. No one is more important than the other one. This isn't the 19 hundreds. My gosh.

4. They don't play mind games. Uh, excuse me, have you dated straight men? Their the damn poster children for mind games. All fem guys or normal guys I know don't do this. At all. Nor do any of my gay friends. This is littrely the natural breeding ground for masc men. Have you been in a gym or a nightclub or a damn college campus? All they do is play mind games to get off so they can move on to the next notch in their belts.

5. Our bodies even know they are better. Wow. Didn't realise men can now tell women what their bodies wants while their fertile. Was this written by a boomer posing as a caveman? Pretty sure that's up to the woman to decide. I do not want a lover who tries to show me his dominance and only cares about himself in bed. My body do not want that. My body wants someone to fuck me like they mean it, my pleasure means something to, masc alpha male men don't do that, men with feelings do. Men with fucking emotions do. I want rough passionate sex where we both get off and have an amazing time. You don't get that with supposed macho wannabe Alpha males.

I think people who says these things hasn't been in the real world. It's also incredibly dated to try and tell a man what he should and shouldn't be because of ridiculous propaganda. This is so sad, that some men (mostly old ones) still thinks this. Men is so much more than this. Their more complex and amazing than this. Don't degrade them to a damn stereotype.

[TheDomimantOne]

I feel very sorry for you

[WowwGirl]

@TheDomimantOne who?

[john23232323]

@JustAHumanHere totally agree with everything. I cringed as soon as i started reading the first one because i know how "manly" men are when talking about women... Example: "if she ain't got big boobs or big ass she trash bro"

[Kaazsz]

All men can be masculine. It's just that society has taught us all that being a man is bad and evil. And we believe it so deeply that we reject masculinity.

As I think more and more about it, I think it's all a result of a rejection of sexuality. Men are seen as evil sex crazed beasts. And when a man rejects that aspect of his nature, he becomes a feminine man.

A quote from OP: "They will be upfront with their intention and let you know what they want right from the start, which makes them more honest."

This is how guys get girls. By being honest. But most guys are afraid to be honest, because the actual honest truth, is that if you aren't that special girl who we want to settle down with and love, we just want to fuck you. We want to fuck you before we figure out if you're special or not. It's a requirement.

Many men are afraid to be honest, because they think women hate us for the truth. And it's kind of true. Women DO hate us for the truth. But they fuck the guys who are honest anyways. So all you can do is be honest and get that pussy. Because being sneaky and trying to slip into her pants through evasive action doesn't work.

The other truth is that women are 100% or more slutty than men are. And many men don't want it to be true. Many men hate when a woman is a slut. Mostly because he knows she's only a slut for a masculine man, and not him. That's why he is angry at women who are sluts. And so women hide the truth from us men, because they know and fear our anger of the truth. The truth being that women are dirty as fuck and down to get plowed at the drop of a hat by some masculine man. And that's the truth.

And so these two truths result in a society that shames our real sexual desires. And I guess it just rolls down hill and fucks up every other aspect of your personality. Men become feminine sissy boys, and women become raging cunts. You never heard of the hen pecked husband? That is the result of sexual shame on both sexes in my opinion.

Of course I could go on and on so I'll just stop here. Am I wrong? Will i get 100 thumbs down? Probably lol.

[Yaaten]

Yeah, that's a load of bullshit.

[Kaazsz]

Beta

[WowwGirl]

No he's good
Above I got threatened he stood up for me pussies don't do that.

[Kaazsz]

I dream of a world where people actually have something to say, something to debate about, something to expand upon, rather than "nuh uh! you're wrong cuz i said so and I don't have to support my view at all!"

[WowwGirl]

Well here is not that place but I understand what you are saying

[Kaazsz]

What do you mean? I thought this site was all about that lol. Why isn't this site the place for that? That sucks lol.

[Yaaten]

Well, where did you actually do more than just assert what you yourself believe to be true? Why should I, or anyone else for that matter, believe a word of what you've written here? Where is the actual evidence that, for example, "society has taught us all that being a man is bad and evil"? This specific claim - "But most guys are afraid to be honest, because the actual honest truth, is that if you aren't that special girl who we want to settle down with and love, we just want to fuck you. We want to fuck you before we figure out if you're special or not. It's a requirement" - is pure, unadulterated hogwash. It's not true. Well, maybe it is for YOU, because you're like that, because you're weird.

[Kaazsz]

So most men don’t want to have sex with as many girls possible given the chance to do so? I think if you deny that, you’re a beta male liar trying to get in with the girls. Begging for female praise for “being different from the other men.”

We all want sex. Guess what? So do women. We are all animals. And our biological prerogative is to reproduce.

The problem with society is that we deny that, and pretend as if we are moral animals. We aren’t. Nobody is moral unless they consciously choose to act morally as prescribed by society.

[Kaazsz]

An excerpt from the link I’ll paste below:

For example, a worldwide ethnographic survey of 849 human societies showed 708 whose customs are polygynous (more than one wife), 4 whose customs are polyandrous (more than one husband), and 137 whose customs are monogamous. Even among those monogamous societies, a considerable number of married men and women tend to have sexual relationships with individuals outside their marriages. In her study on Adultery, Annette Lawson noted that various researchers arrived at a general consensus that (a) approximately one quarter to one half of married women have at least one lover after they are married in any given marriage and (b) married men stray more often than married women—perhaps 50 to 65% by 40 years of age. Similarly, Maggie Scarf thought that most experts estimate some 50 to 65% of husbands and some 45 to 55% of wives to be extramaritally involved by 40 years of age. Peggy Vaughan echoed that 60% of men and 40% of women are likely to have extramarital affairs. The significance of these figures is even higher when the total number of marriages involved is considered because it is unlikely that all of the men and women having affairs happen to be married to each other. Vaughan observed, “If even half of the women having affairs (or 20 percent) are married to men not included in the 60 percent having affairs, then at least one partner will have an affair in approximately 80 percent of all marriages. With this many marriages affected, it’s unreasonable to think affairs are due only to the failures and shortcomings of individual husbands or wives.” Therefore, these scholars argue that the irony of the “monogamy myth” (a belief system that most people are monogamous and that only a few “bad” or “weak” people have extramarital affairs) is that it prevents societies from dealing with the issues that need to be addressed to make monogamy a more attainable goal for everyone.

[Kaazsz]

https://anthropology.iresearchnet.com/monogamy/

[Kaazsz]

Human beings are sexual animals. And if you ask me, when society shames sex, what people feel inside becomes incongruent with what society says they should be. The result of said incongruence is degradation of the self and mental illness. Similar to how transgender people feel body dismorphia in a society that tells them they cannot be the opposite gender. When the science proves their neurology is 100% legitimate and they do in fact feel like the opposite gender. It causes them mental health issues, depression, suicide, self mutilation, so on and so on. Incongruence of the self with society causes mental heal deficiencies.

My argument is society need to be more sex positive so people can live happier lives.

[Yaaten]

"So most men don’t want to have sex with as many girls possible given the chance to do so?"
Since I do not know "most men", and there is precisely zero legitimate research on this specific topic, I would have to say that I have no idea whether or not that's true. I would guess it isn't, because there is the underlying assumption here that "most men" only think about, and only care about, sex. That's absurd, as anyone who knows anything at all about men (like myself, since I am one) should clearly know.
"We all want sex. Guess what? So do women. We are all animals. And our biological prerogative is to reproduce."
Oh boy. We "all" (no exceptions, according to you) want sex. Well, no, we don't. Some people are simply not interested (they now go by the term 'asexual'). Some are ill, or old. Beyond a certain age a person simply loses all interest. Very young children don't even know about sex.
We are not animals. We are superior to them, with abilities they do not possess (ex. awareness of our own mortality, ability to know right from wrong, the ability to resist any instinctual impulses - like hunger - we may get).

[Yaaten]

"I think if you deny that, you’re a beta male liar trying to get in with the girls. Begging for female praise for “being different from the other men.”"
I couldn't care LESS about chasing some young floozy into bed! I just do not care anymore. A "beta"? What the hell is that? Don't tell me you've fallen for the ridiculous nonsense, preached by idiots like Jordan Peterson, that we can neatly divide the male population of planet Earth into "alphas" and "betas", according to how well (or not) they respond to certain situations and generally carry on? That myth was debunked decades ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ti86veZBjU

[WowwGirl]

I love term HogWash

[Kaazsz]

A-sexual people exist. Your conclusion is that people don’t want sex, because a-sexual people exist. Your argument is stupid. I provided at least one resource. I could spend the time to write up an entire college essay on the topic. But why bother when you have such poor reasoning skills?

Of course A-sexual people exist. You’re trying to nit pick things that don’t matter. I never said every single person who lives is a sex addict. You’re avoiding the topic at hand entirely and refusing to argue in good faith.

Which is typical. Not a single person on this website is capable of a real debate. It’s sad.

[Yaaten]

"Your conclusion is that people don’t want sex, because a-sexual people exist. Your argument is stupid."
I agree, that is a stupid argument, because that's not the claim I made here. I didn't say that "people don't want sex" (of course they do). I said your claim that most men would want to have sex with as many girls as possible given the chance to do so, was wrong, because there is neither evidence nor justification for it.

[Yaaten]

"I never said every single person who lives is a sex addict."
I know. You said that most men would, given the chance, want to have sex with as many girls as possible. That was the specific claim I responded to.
"You’re avoiding the topic at hand entirely and refusing to argue in good faith."
Now you're being willfully obtuse and disingenuous. Not to mention downright dishonest. I'm not avoiding anything here. I never "avoid", because I have no need to, because I never lose arguments.
"Which is typical. Not a single person on this website is capable of a real debate. It’s sad."
This is pure projection on your part. If you think you're actually capable of taking me on in a debate, well then... Give it your best shot!

[Yaaten]

Me too! :)

[Kaazsz]

@Yaaten "i win all debates" "i ignore evidence cited" these two things do not go together. You have ignored and dodged my entire argument. Which was laid out in my first comment.

My argument was this: Society shames people for sex. The result of said shame, causes people emotional and mental problems.

My argument, is that male and female relationships are harmed by society's shaming of sex.

OP says masculine men are better. My argument is that men lose their masculinity when they are shamed for being men. When they are shamed for their desire for sex. My argument was that men and women both become angry with eachother for realizing the biological reality, that we humans are animals designed to procreate, and not rational moral people who only operate within the strict confines of what society deems as "moral sexuality."

You never understood my argument from the very start. This might be something that's just over your head. Let's see if you can stay on topic this time.

[Yaaten]

"You have ignored and dodged my entire argument. Which was laid out in my first comment." - Kaazsz
Let's have a look at your first comment then, shall we?
"All men can be masculine. It's just that society has taught us all that being a man is bad and evil. And we believe it so deeply that we reject masculinity.
As I think more and more about it, I think it's all a result of a rejection of sexuality. Men are seen as evil sex crazed beasts. And when a man rejects that aspect of his nature, he becomes a feminine man.
A quote from OP: "They will be upfront with their intention and let you know what they want right from the start, which makes them more honest."" - Kaazsz
Your basic claim here is that "society" is doing it's best to make men insecure about their masculinity, because it somehow sees it as being evil, bad and basically criminal. Have I interpreted your comment correctly?
I don't agree with this, for a number of reasons, one of those reasons being the fact that I have personally never encountered anyone off-line who ever promoted such a message. I don't know how things are currently in the United States where you are, but where I am "society" isn't doing anything that I can see to promote the idea that masculinity, or men in general, are "evil". It's just not happening, and whenever I've asked to see evidence for it from those who have sincerely believed that it is, I've only ever been presented with - at best - the rants of some unhinged feminist on Twitter who just hates men, as though such marginalised people were representative of the majority of women in regards to their attitude.

[Yaaten]

"i win all debates" "i ignore evidence cited" these two things do not go together. - Kaazsz
The evidence you present above doesn't confirm what you believe. For example, and using your own quotes:
"For example, a worldwide ethnographic survey of 849 human societies showed 708 whose customs are polygynous (more than one wife), 4 whose customs are polyandrous (more than one husband), and 137 whose customs are monogamous. Even among those monogamous societies, a considerable number of married men and women tend to have sexual relationships with individuals outside their marriages."
How does this jibe with the claim that "most men want to have sex with as many girls as possible if given the chance to do so"? The actual quote states that "a considerable number (NOT "most", as you assert) of MARRIED men and WOMEN tend to have sexual relationships with individuals outside their marriages". That's a rather different claim, don't you think?
This is even less relevant - "In her study on Adultery, Annette Lawson noted that various researchers arrived at a general consensus that (a) approximately one quarter to one half of married women have at least one lover after they are married in any given marriage and (b) married men stray more often than married women—perhaps 50 to 65% by 40 years of age."
It's a finding that suggests many, if not most, people will at some point in their marriages "stray", and have illicit relationships. This finding hardly backs up either your very first post here, or the one I actually disputed.

[Yaaten]

"My argument was this: Society shames people for sex. The result of said shame, causes people emotional and mental problems." - Kaazsz
Now this is something I may actually agree with, to some extent. Some societies (like the Middle Eastern Islamic ones) do indeed try to do this, and it certainly is damaging.

[Yaaten]

"OP says masculine men are better. My argument is that men lose their masculinity when they are shamed for being men. When they are shamed for their desire for sex. My argument was that men and women both become angry with eachother for realizing the biological reality, that we humans are animals designed to procreate, and not rational moral people who only operate within the strict confines of what society deems as "moral sexuality.""
How are masculine men better? Yes, I know what the OP claims, but is it actually true? Maybe it isn't. Perhaps she should have titled her piece, "Reasons Masculine Men are Preferred by Me", because all she is doing here is expressing her own personal preferences.

[Yaaten]

"You never understood my argument from the very start. This might be something that's just over your head. Let's see if you can stay on topic this time." - Kaazsz
Now you're resorting to personal insults. How original, how convincing. No, your "arguments" here are not at all difficult to understand: I just do not agree with them, that's all.

[Kaazsz]

So you agree with me. Shaming sexuality results in negative consequences.

How do I know there are men who feel shamed for their sexuality? Just look at this website alone. How many girls are angry with men for “being male pigs who just want sex.”

You see it all the time. As much as society praises a man who can have a lot of sex with women, the majority of men do not have the ability to have a lot of sex with women regardless of their desire for it or not.

Earlier in these comments you shamed me for saying men want sex with as many women as possible. You said that it must only be me, and that I am a bad person for said desire.

You harbor this cultural belief as well. I don’t need to find some study about it. It’s right here in this comment section. You shamed me for a desire to have sex with a lot of women. Such a desire is despicable and makes any man who has said desire a bad person.

And my point is, that many men do have this desire. They may suppress it, they may pretend like they don’t. They may actively choose to settle with one woman and only ever have sex with one woman.

And what if the guy doesn’t have said desire to fuck as many women as possible? He’s a truly “nice guy” (ever heard of a “nice guy?”) and doesn’t want sex with as many women. He’s a one woman man through and through.

But society tells us you’re bad for wanting sex, as clearly you believe as well. So this man who only wants one women, feels a fear about coming off as a guy who is desperate for sex.

That fear results in social anxiety around women. Social anxiety with women limits your dating succsss. Limited dating success results in lower self esteem. And so on it goes in a cycle, where men fear being seen as sexual creeps by women, and the worst possible result of said cycle is a a man becomes an incel.

[Kaazsz]

And I learn this on my own. I know people in real life. I ask people questions on here. I get testimony from real guys. I use my own life and experiences and my own feelings and I have shared them on here and other forums or with men I know in real life.

They say they feel the same as I did. When I was afraid of women it ruined my dating ability even though I’m attractive and women like me and flirt with me. I’m lucky. Others aren’t so lucky.

And so I got to learn from real life females, where I worked with 99% girls, as well as being best friends with my sister and meeting many women through her friends and their friends.

I learned that women love honesty. That many men are not honest, that many men modify their behavior and the things they say from fear of “being creeps.” Which just makes them creeps for not being honest in the first place.

[Kaazsz]

A “masculine” man is an honest man. And that’s what women want, men to be honest. Instead you have tons of dudes who want sex running around pretending as if they don’t want sex. Because they feel afraid to express their sexuality. And it ruins their dating potential.

The dudes who I have seen who have the most dating potential are most honest guys. Of course there’s players who lie to women, but they don’t lie about sex. They lie about relationships and commitment.

Most women like “masculine” men. They see men who are afraid of being honest and afraid to be themselves as feminine beta male bitches. They are turned off and disgusted by guys who can’t be honest.

And they can’t be honest because they are afraid of being viewed as horrible male beasts who only want sex and are evil and bad.

Male sexuality is seen as bad, just look around on this site. Women angry that men “only want sex.” Of course it’s not true. But men want sex that’s for sure. And so denying that you want sex is a denial of your biological reality and denial of your masculinity.

[Kaazsz]

Regardless of whatever truth there is beneath it all. It’s all a journey for me. I used to be a social outcast. Grew up with zero friends because of how my mother raised us. Wearing the same pair of clothes every day my whole life.

I believed women hated me. I believed women were disgusted by my evil male sexuality. Since then I’ve completely reversed it and become attractive to women, at least in actions. Physically I always had girls flirting with me but my negative self worth didn’t let me see it.

Since realizing the truth and becoming comfortable and happy around women, I’ve sought out to help other guys who are just like I was. Scared of women, afraid to be their natural masculine selves. They hate masculinity. They think it’s stupid and evil and bad too. I don’t need a study to tell me. Because there probably isn’t any. There isn’t anyone doing research on people like incels for example, who are people that are most affected by internalized self hatred and rejection of masculinity.

I do it all myself because I can see from the bottom now that I’m on the top. And I know what’s really going on in the minds of men like incels or just the general population of men who struggle with women.

I just want to help them to stop hating themselves and to learn to be honest and to find success in dating becaus that would mean a world full of positive happy men rather than negative angry ones that make the world a shittier place to live.

It means a better and safer life for women when men are able to embrace their sexuality and masculinity. But hey, Society doesn’t believe that. They think masculinity is toxic and forcing men to be masculine is toxic. But their view on what masculinity is is toxic in the first place.

[Yaaten]

"So you agree with me. Shaming sexuality results in negative consequences." - Kaazsz
Yes, but that's the only thing I agree with you on here.

[Yaaten]

"How do I know there are men who feel shamed for their sexuality? Just look at this website alone. How many girls are angry with men for “being male pigs who just want sex.”" - Kaazsz
There are many women who feel the same way towards their sexuality. It isn't just a male issue. As for this website, sure, I've come across female trolls who basically say they hate men, and my response is always to challenge them by turning what they've said on its head, and making them look like the fools they no doubt are.
"You see it all the time. As much as society praises a man who can have a lot of sex with women, the majority of men do not have the ability to have a lot of sex with women regardless of their desire for it or not." - Kaazsz
Is that necessarily a bad thing? Having sex does have consequences you know (ex. an unwanted baby), so I don't think we should be encouraging anyone to have sex with as many complete strangers as they can lay their hands on.

[Yaaten]

"Earlier in these comments you shamed me for saying men want sex with as many women as possible. You said that it must only be me, and that I am a bad person for said desire." - Kaazsz
It wasn't my intent to shame you. You're not bad for having certain desires, ones you don't act upon, but if you desire to (and this is just an example not related to sex at all) steal your neighbours car, as long as you recognise you have that desire and do what you can to confront and neutralise it, there shouldn't be anything to worry about.
"You harbor this cultural belief as well. I don’t need to find some study about it. It’s right here in this comment section. You shamed me for a desire to have sex with a lot of women. Such a desire is despicable and makes any man who has said desire a bad person." - Kaazsz
That wasn't my intention. I'm not here to shame people, but I will point out to them when I believe they are wrong about something. I think you're reading far too much into my comments. I only ever say what I mean and mean what I say literally. There are no "hidden meanings" or any other such nonsensical aspects to what I write here.
"And my point is, that many men do have this desire. They may suppress it, they may pretend like they don’t. They may actively choose to settle with one woman and only ever have sex with one woman."
Yes, and my point was that many don't have this desire, but you made it seem as though virtually all of us do, through your usage of the term "most".

[Yaaten]

"A “masculine” man is an honest man. And that’s what women want, men to be honest. Instead you have tons of dudes who want sex running around pretending as if they don’t want sex. Because they feel afraid to express their sexuality. And it ruins their dating potential." - Kaazsz
Actually, unless they have autism or Asperger's Syndrome, no, there are no honest men, and that's not what they want. The same applies to women. Honesty is not what is appreciated in society, and I had to learn that the hard way. Don't believe me? The next time a woman asks you, "Does my bum look big in this?", try telling her, "Yeah, your ass looks really fat".
The vast majority of people prefer comforting lies to the honest truth. I see it all the time, wherever I go, and especially online. Just look at all the fake Instagram "models", the Fakebook profiles, scammers, hackers and trolls.
The world is run by dishonest people in the interests of maintaining lies.

[Yaaten]

Something else that I just noticed we seem to agree on is the problem of 'Incels', and why they even exist to begin with. They are, without a doubt, a symptom of a dysfunctional society, but at this point in time we are not sure why they have become so numerous lately (although the development of computing technology has no doubt played a significant role in this).
Incels seem to be the male equivalent to the radical, man-hating feminist. They both share much in common, with their horrible personalities, bad attitudes, ugly behaviour, and smug sense of entitlement. MGTOW "men" are just as bad, claiming they are "just going their own way" and don't care about women anymore, whilst talking non-stop about how evil all women are apparently.

[Drakkith]

Good god, what trash barge capsized and put this pathetic pile of sewage here.

I can't even begin to explain how bad this is. Like, it should be illegal for something this bad to wash up on the virtual shore. On top of generalizing a multitude of things (and badly at that), the author of this list appears to think that men are either one category or the other, attributes things to masculine or non-masculine men that, in reality, everyone has, and thinks that asking what they want for dinner puts too much strain on their fragile brain.

Seriously, if you can't handle the stress of deciding where to eat, where to go, or what to do, then put the training wheels back on your tricycle and stop chewing gum while you walk, because your brain might not be able to handle that level of complexity. Have someone wire a monitor to you, because you might actually forget to breathe.

This is so bad that I thought it was written by a wannabe alpha-cuck (who doesn't understand that the alpha/beta thing is bullshit) trying to acquire more internet points to spend at the vending machine in self-esteem land by stroking the fragile egos of all the men who think that being an asshole and not having to try at dating is a good personality trait.

I'm submitting this article to science in an attempt to understand how something so bad could have made it into reality. Wish me luck on my Nobel prize.

[MountAverage]

This reaponse is the best thing I read today.

[RyanK9b]

Weird that I learned in my psychology class about alpha, beta, gamma.. people in a society. But I guess internet guy knows it better

[gotc147]

Beta boy is mad 🤣

[MountAverage]

@RyanK9b It's the other way around, champ. The internet keeps peddling this pseudoscientific bullshit while scientists have debunked it years ago. It was first used to describe behavior in wolf packs, but was later dismissed by the very scientists themselves who started, admitting that their methods were very unscientific, especially since it was wolves in captivity. And they (and pretty much the rest of the science community agreed that there simply is no scientific basis for applying any of it to human behavior. In short, not only does it not exist in humans, it doesn't even exist in wolves the way we used to think for a long time.
Humans are FAR more complex than that. Even wolves are more complex than that.
It's incels and other douchebags with inferiority complexes on the internet who keep promoting this bullshit, to make themselves feel better about themselves. In the fields of psychology (especially social psychology and comparative psychology) and ethology, it has been widely accepted as debunked. Long ago. You're late to the party.

Sadly, some psychology classes still teach outdated, debunked theories. Many classes still teach Freud's theories as facts. Freud should be taught for historical context and appreciation for what he did for the field of psychology. But his theories At least most of them, to a large degree) are widely considered as outdated today. Still, many classes teach them as if they weren't. So I'm not even surprised that you were taught this alpha/beta nonsense. But I have a degree in psychology myself, and I can assure you - alpha/beta is peudoscientific crap. It's pop-psychology at best.

You're welcome.

[RyanK9b]

Had this 5 years ago in class. And I for myself could find similarities in human society. The alphas who kinda lead a group, direct or indirectly (mostly people with the right charisma). The betas who assist the alpha. Deltas just members who don't think, typically the sheeps. Gammas the black sheep.

Whats the latest view on this topic in terms for social behavior? (Book/Author)

[MountAverage]

@RyanK9b But that's exactly the reason why this idea (along with pop-psychology in general) is so popular and believed by the masses - because it all sounds so neat and easily applicable and gives you very simple answers to complex issues. If your psychology class left you with the impression that human behavior can be classed that simply, it failed you. It failed you badly. I mean, just read again what you just explained about alphas, betas, gammas, etc. I mean, come on? Seriously? It is beyond banal. Humans are so absurdly complex, as individuals (as described by Differential Psychology) as well as as social creatures (as described by Social Psychology, for instance). What you just described - you seriously believe that's how humans are? Come on. You've apparently studied at least some psychology. And you've been a social human being yourself for a while now. Humans are so much more nuanced and complex than that. I'm sorry, but this is just complete and utter nonsense. It's like a cartoon version of human psychology. Be smarter than that.

There's many different theories about human social behavior. Many different studies, papers, books. Psychology is not a science like physics. It uses the scientific method as much as possible, but falsification is not possible on the same level as it is with natural sciences. What's being done in psychology, is dismiss theories that clearly don't hold up to current knowledge and discoveries, and then consider the findings of other theories and try to unifiy them. For instance, take Behaviorism and its counterpart Cognitivism. They are pretty much polar opposite explanations of human behavior. Neither of them is correct, yet both do describe true phenomena and do give certain explanations that hold some truths. That's why aspects of both (and other) theories are usually being incorporated in today's psychology.

[RyanK9b]

You probably get me wrong there. I ment as basic construct is that possible.
If I observe selected groups you can see the ground structures. The kind of leaders, the supporters and the followers.

I didn't meant it to be shown in white and black.
To see it only as alpha beta etc. with the specific behavior to each individual is not possible, Sure.

But as already said the ground structure is in every group visible. Wolfs, monkeys, lions, hyenas so on. There is always a alpha and its followers. Thats how our world works too (simplified).

To think that we are so superior to the animal kingdom in relation to society is not true.

[MountAverage]

@RyanK9b It has nothing to do with being "superior" to other animals (also, you said "superior to the animal kingdom" - but we are part of the animal kingdom!). I even explicitly said that wolves too are more complex than that. But that's beside the point, even if it was true for wolves and monkeys and what not, you can't just apply that to humans. It's like saying because lobsters have some hierarchical social structures, it must be in our nature just like for them. It's just complete illogical nonsense.
Anyway, I get that it looks like it works well as a basic construct. Like I said, that's why it's so popular. But what would even be the point? The moment you try to apply it to real world situations, it pretty much falls apart. So what's even its use, even as just an oversimplified explanation?

[guesswhoseback]

“ This is so bad that I thought it was written by a wannabe alpha-cuck (who doesn't understand that the alpha/beta thing is bullshit)”

Holy crap isn’t that true. The most confident guys don’t need false bravado. The most confident guys will have under confident moments but they work through them and don’t obsess over appearance.

Also notice how all the guys in her take are airbrushed models 🤔

If a good looking guy says something sexually aggressive he’s “confident and bold”. If an ugly guy (or even average looking guy) says the same thing he’s a creep.

[OmNomaly]

What she described as a masculine man. To me came across more so as an emotionless robot of a human being that bends over for his woman.

(Sarcastic) Men can't have emotions y'all. Legalize Lobotomies!

[thegirlwonder]

I mean, to each her own. I prefer men somewhere in between. Fully developed adults.

While I won't deny an attraction to a degree of masculinity, I don't like the emotionally stunted thing. I want a grown man, not a little boy playing a role and running away from his feelings. And to be honest, women of a certain caliber who are looking for depth in their connection and understanding of their partner are not looking for one-dimensional caricatures of men who "only have emotions when I find it convenient." I can't imagine any man with real self-awareness and self-esteem finding it flattering that you can't be bothered with huge parts of who he is as a person. Gag, and not in the fun way.

But then maybe the women who go well with these types of men are the opposite caricatures of femininity, right? That's not me anyway. I have a very feminine appearance, but I don't fit stereotypes of femininity in my personality. I'm logical in my thinking, assertive, challenging, kind of loud, etc. I'm not a wilting emotional flower who just can't even, so I'm not looking for brute strength, big man dude with no feelings to pick me up over his shoulder to the cave. So there's that, apart from my distaste for the sexist idea that men should beat their emotions into submission. I've involved with guys like this. Sexual chemistry through the roof, but you're begging them to actually be present and communicate. I guess if you don't really care about his feelings, that's not an issue though.

[bamesjond0069]

Its true. I'm only interested in ultra feminine women.

[thegirlwonder]

@bamesjond0069

Makes sense, I suppose. Enjoy!

[bamesjond0069]

"you're begging them to actually be present and communicate. I guess if you don't really care about his feelings, that's not an issue though."

Its not natural for a man to be highly communicative about his feelings because for men they are only a small and mostly unimportant part of our life experience. Why can't you just respect that instead of you saying we are acting a role and are emotionally stunted. I have plenty of feelings, but whether im happy sad mad (isn't that all the emotions?) It doesn't change how i need to keep my responsibilities and do things i have to do.

Hey from our perspective the average women is a freaking lunatic. Crying and emotional all the time. I dont even know how its possible to cry as much as a typical woman. A girl im dating hugged me after not seeing me for a week and was crying. Whhhhyyy? It seems institutional level crazy from my pov.

The difference is i respect women and know they are different than men and its normal for them. You dont seem to respect men very much and want men to be like women. I already quoted you above but "I guess if you don't really care about his feelings, that's not an issue though." Your complaint seems to be more about your feelings. you're mad and upset about a man not having more feelings and spending more time discussing them with you. Why not let him deal with his feelings in the way he feels is best? I mean if you really cared about his feelings and weren't as selfish...

[TruthBringer]

@bamesjond0069 NAILED IT!

[TruthBringer]

@thegirlwonder We men just happened to learn how to deal with our emotions better. And stop telling men to show more emotions when CLEARLY this is a turn off for the majority of women. Women don't want a man who talks about his emotions. They want a tough, independent, strong and emotionally STABLE man. If you want someone who talks about their emotions all the time, then go date a woman who dresses like a man.

[thegirlwonder]

@bamesjond0069

We will agree to disagree about what is natural for men, and like I said before - enjoy the kinds of relationships you like with the types of women you prefer! We are clearly not looking for the same kinds of romantic experiences and love.

Men are socialized to stifle certain emotions by this message of masculinity. And everyone has to do the work to learn to communicate better. I don't want a lazy ass partner who doesn't know how to or doesn't care about developing himself in ways that affect me and our relationship. I've spent years evolving in multiple ways. I'm only really compatible with men who have done the same, especially if it didn't feel "natural" to them when they were kids. A lot of things "feel natural" whether or not they are. Part of adulthood is growing up and learning to gain new skills (including communication skills) and learning to undo things (psychologically) that are no longer serving you. All of that is wrapped up in self-awareness. Some men never do that work and are essentially the same as they were at 18. I'm just not interested in that kind of partner. And communication is one of the most important things in any healthy adult relationship. So that's my choice. Just like you can choose "ultra feminine" women, I can choose whatever type of man that I please. And it pleases me to be with a fully developed, self-aware, communicative grown adult. This is what *I like* and you and the next girl and go find what *you like.*

[thegirlwonder]

@TruthBringer

Actually, there's scientific research that indicates the opposite. I only deal in facts and logic. Whatever your feelings and cultural myths tell you is true is irrelevant if you don't have credible resources and data to back it up, for the most part. Or at least strong reasoning and logic, which is largely absent from your camp of thought. But I digress - moving on.

Why do you care who I or any other woman chooses to date? We date men we like and find compatible. Emotionally stunted caricatures of masculinity are not for me. Nothing you say is changing that. lol I'm clearly not the kind of woman you're into either, so it shouldn't matter that I prefer men who aren't your ideal of masculinity. Live your life and do what you want. Women will continue to do the same.

I do care about men's mental health and the way this sexist paradigm affects both men and women, so I won't be stopping shit. But thank you for sharing your opinion, I guess. :)

[thegirlwonder]

* emotions or cultural myths about what is natural for men*

[TruthBringer]

I would love to see these scientific studies you have shown. I'm quite curious to see what science has to say about a man showing his emotions the same as women. Because Experience has thought many men like myself that showing emotions is perceived as weak. And I wasn't speaking about you when it comes to being attractive to women, so don't flatter yourself. When I mention women, I'm speaking from a general perspective. "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". That's the advice you give to men when you imply that they have to show vulnerability. Which in reality, is the opposite.

www.israel21c.org/.../

[thegirlwonder]

@TruthBringer

1. I just saw that you're 23. Your perspective kind of makes sense tbh. Most 23 year olds don't understand emotional maturity or why vulnerability and communication are important in relationships. Some are lucky enough to get "it" that early, but the rest have to learn through time/experience. Some never learn, of course.

2. Yes, emotions are viewed as weakness by some people. If you are dating someone who views emotion as weakness (like the poster of this question), and you cosign their message that emotion is weakness, then you believe that to be true as well. That doesn't make it objectively true and that doesn't change that your relationship and your life are lacking something critical without an adult understanding of communication and vulnerability. And people are different - the women you prefer are like the OP and she definitely views emotion as weakness. I am not the OP and have my own opinions and desires, so I am not interested in her type of men at all, for an actual relationship. I care about my partner's feelings and how they communicate and show vulnerability. I don't want to date "masculinity caricature." Many women feel the same, but those women may not be for you. So your mileage may vary. If being emotionally stunted is the life you prefer, that is your choice to continue that way, as an adult at this point.

3. lol Yes, I think it's obvious that we are not each other's type - not by a long shot - but our perspectives here do matter for the context of our opinions.

[thegirlwonder]

@TruthBringer

3. The science I mentioned was not about emotions being perceived as weak. You said: "We men just happened to learn how to deal with our emotions better." Psychologists, sociologists, etc. disagree and research does not support that conclusion. The internet is full of credible sources for this information.
One example that is pretty obvious is men having higher suicide rates. Women attempt suicide more often, but one possible explanation for the more violent methods men choose is stronger intent in getting the job done. Mental health experts tie suicide and overall mental health struggles for men with this larger narrative of "boys don't cry" and the way young boys are discouraged from facing their own emotions. Not facing your emotions is by definition not dealing with them well.

www.bbc.com/.../20190313-why-more-men-kill-themselves-than-women

There's evidence men struggle more long term after breakups, while women struggle more in the short-term, emotionally.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../why-breakups-are-actually-tougher-men

There's a lot of evidence that counters the idea that men deal with emotions better, not that this should be a competition. Most mental health experts would agree that this "toxic masculinity" is a major part of the issue.

[thegirlwonder]

*4 :)

[bamesjond0069]

"Emotionally stunted caricatures of masculinity..." because you're being disrespectful. If you cared about men you wouldn't call us names just for men being normal masculine.

"Psychologists, sociologists, etc. disagree" yeah but they also say women have penises and a man is straight if he sucks his "girlfriends" dick lmfao so... 😆

[TruthBringer]

@thegirlwonder Yeah I've noticed people of my age don't put much thought in this topic. It happens to fascinate me so I researched it more. By "men knowing how to deal with emotions better" I should have clarified that men know how to conceal them better without impulsivelesly burst into tears. Something thats more common with women. Men are thought since a young age to "toughen up" and not to cry because "that's what girls do". So in the moment, they happened to have a level of self-control. However, in the long run, men are indeed feeling this. I'm glad you've brought up suicide rate statistics. This proves my point that society suffocates men from showing any signs of vulnerability. And it's not "SOME" women who don't like emotionally vulnerable guys. It's A lOT of women. Why do you think the stigma "nice guys finish last" and women only going for "bad boys" exists. If it only were "some" women, then there wouldn't be so much controversy around this. There is a reason why manosphere groups are growing rapidly. Well, multiple reasons and this happened to be one of them.

Women in their core want a more stoic, emotionally STABLE and masculine man. That doesn't mean he isn't allowed to have emotions. It's about how he deals with them, that matters to them. A man who burst out of tears infront of his girl will be perceived as "weak" by the majority. Either consciously or subconsciously. Many women claim to want a man who is in tune with his emotions, but you see them date that "bad boy" who shows 0 vulnerability. I do not know if you truly want aman who is in tune with his emotions as you claim. So I'll take it witha grain of salt. If you do, then I appreciate it and may there be more women like that. But myself and many other men have accepteed this burden alongside the burden of performance.

[TruthBringer]

@thegirlwonder
We men have learned to repress our emotions. Because we have always dealt with the stigma of being perceived as "weak" if we did not. And men feel this during dating. Whenever they show emotional vulnerability, the women often show signs of disinterest. Because it doesn't suit the narrative of the woman how she likes her boyfriend to be. This is the reality of men. Many things you've mentioned actually prove my point. So saying women don't want a man who shows no emotions, that we men can call bullshit. You even got GAG users like Wowwgirl who will tell you the exact same thing.

[bamesjond0069]

@TruthBringer dont tell me you're wimped out too. Not having control of your emotions IS weak. It always will be weak. Smart emotionally intelligent people will take advantage of those who can't control themselves. When you allow us to push your buttons such that you explode in anger or burst out crying we can use that to make you seem like a nut job so you dont get the promotion at work, or so that we can make you look like an idiot in front of your girl so we can fuck her, or so that you're emotionally tore up before we expect a physical confrontation so that we can kick your ass because you can't focus on the fight. Etc.

Sounds harsh but both men and women capitalize on emotionally weak people to get ahead. And since men are supposed to be competitive and achieve things we are supposed to be strong enough to be immune from silly girls with their silly words and not let us lose at life because of words. Thats how you lose and fast. And women are way more likely to use this to their advantage than men. More of them are emotionally intelligent than men. They will know just what to say to make you happy sad angry etc and will manipulate the shit out of you if you let them.

[WowwGirl]

@bamesjond0069 morning 😏

[bamesjond0069]

@WowwGirl good morning 😘

[TruthBringer]

@bamesjond0069 Very true what you said. And no I'm not a wimp. I'm the complete opposite of a wimp who doesn't control his emotions. If that were the case, then they wouldn't allow me to become an Officer at the Air Force. Can't have a wimp "lead" a bunch of masculine men. I simply recognize there the problems of many men needing to surpress their emotions at the cost of their own self-development. Because society has conditioned us not to show weakness. Many don't know how to handle it. I am fortunate to have have been raised in a nuclear family and my father taught me well. Sadly, many (young) men did not get proper guidance and are lost or simply take their own lives. But yeah, I've accepted the burden of performance and not to show weakness. I also have learned to take everything a woman says with a grain of salt. Too many times have I witnessed them say A, but go for B. So when a woman tells me she likes a man who is in tune with his emotions, I call bollocks. I am not and will never become an emotional wimp.

[thegirlwonder]

@bamesjond0069

You're crying about me calling you emotionally stunted but telling other men they're wimps? lmao. Thank you for your contribution, my dear. Have a good one!

[bamesjond0069]

Wait so am i crying and very attractive to you or am i not and am emotionally stunted or are you mentally deficient? Lmfao at the feminist logic.

[thegirlwonder]

@TruthBringer

Men are also known to be more likely to burst out into violence and seem to be unable to control their emotions when it comes to anger. Being angry is an emotion. Wanting to physically hurt someone, unless you're intervening to help someone being attacked, is driven by strong emotion. Men exhibit tons of emotion to anyone with a basic understanding of what emotions are and who actually interacts with men. I've known bad boy types and not all of them are actually emotionless stoics when not around their friends lol They exhibit plenty of emotion, often times not very well. it's the healthy awareness of emotion that many of them lack and vulnerability (like men in general). Some bad boys are insecure af and it's obvious when you're dating them, if you know what insecurity looks like. Some guys who seem like "bad boys" because they love to party and do drugs and get girls are not emotionally stoic. Their image is rebellious but the specific guy mind be kind, compassionate, open emotionally, etc. It really depends on the guy. I've known absolute nerds who were more stoic and afraid to express emotion than some of the "party guys" and "rebels" I've known. A lot of those guys who play it cool are soft as hell with their gfs. Some are assholes, but even the assholes can be super emotional (and usually are) in unhealthy ways. They're not stoic, even if they aren't emotionally vulnerable. Being insecure and possessive, passive aggressive comments and actions, easily offended by what their girlfriend says, jealous - all emotions that many women who date a variation of "bad boy" have experienced. And honestly, sometimes the attempt to be a stoic is itself an emotional reaction - it’s based on fear of being hurt after being hurt for a lot of men out there. It’s based on the desire to be desirable to women - very based in emotion.

[thegirlwonder]

@TruthBringer

There is no science that says men are less emotional - they are less aware of their emotions and attempt to stifle them, because of this myth on what masculinity is. If anything that's less attractive to me. Grown men don't have to apologize for being people and then try to fit into a mold that people told them is what men are. Again - what we all are looking for is going to be different. We are obviously very different people. Different people look for different things and their relationships look different because of it. There is no one size fits all to this stuff. The OP’s brand of woman is your match, while the guys who are not emotionally stifled are mine. It all works out! - As long as mismatched pots and lids don’t fall into the trap of blind lust. Then you start ignoring red flags and shit and waste your time with someone who isn’t a match for you.

[thegirlwonder]

@TruthBringer

I have to be able to communicate deeply, being affectionate is important, and I love getting to really know the person I’m dating. Dating a wall isn't worth my time no matter how hot he is. I don’t want to raise any men, I’m just not interested. And I’m too amazing to not have the caliber of love and connection that I want. It’s too important to me and I’ve worked on myself to be a better friend, family member, and partner. That journey of self-awareness and vulnerability is something he has to do for himself. And I know what I need and deserve in love, and won’t really compromise on that again. Everyone should know what they want and need. If you want and need someone who doesn’t care about your emotions and appreciates your masculinity…I mean, do what makes you happy. I don’t see how that creates true happiness or connection, and it’s not healthy, but it is your life. A lid for every pot!

I've struggled with vulnerability too, so I get it to some degree actually. Plenty of women believe what you do, so finding your match shouldn't be hard at all. Enjoy and live your adult life in the way that you choose to! Date whomever you want! That's the beauty in all this - You make your own choices and you'll be the one dealing with the consequences in 10 years, not me. That goes for everyone. Good luck!

[thegirlwonder]

@bamesjond0069

As always, your mature and intelligent contribution is truly a marvel. *yawn*

[TruthBringer]

@thegirlwonder When I say that men are less emotional than women, it means we show less emotions and are wired to base our decisions on rationale than irrational thoughts (emotions) like women do. Not that they actually feel less emotion. We're generally aren't going to base our decisions on what we feel at that moment. I read your comments very fast so I've most likely skipped some things. Because I'm in no mood to read an essay. I'll comment on what I've noticed:

Men generally know how to control their emotions in the moments more than women as they are being conditioned to do so since they were little. Also, just because a man doesn't show much vulnerability, doesn't mean he is emotionally "stifled". Plenty of men like myself learned how to control our emotions without them getting the better of us and know when to let them flow rather than burst into tears on the spot. To think that a man who doesn't show vulnerability is "emotionally stifled" is a generalization. Not all of us men burst into anger and start throwing fists. Many jobs that require patience and self-control are being performed by men.

And one thing you're choosing not to acknowledge is that A LOT of women (more than you think) dislike men who show vulnerability. Many men have experienced this. And if it were not the case, then people wouldn't complain that women chase "bad boys" or "assholes". Pointing to exceptions to the rule, doesn't disprove the rule itself. This is the reality for us men. Some choose to accept and others don't. That doesn't make us stifled. We simply learned to adapt. Have a good one.

[thegirlwonder]

@TruthBringer

Sure. Again, good luck!

[WowwGirl]

@bamesjond0069 charming women again I see👉

[YourFutureEx]

*lemme grab my keyboard and write why Masculine Men Are Better..*

1. "Their sexuality functions on a more animalistic level, so they don’t assess you with their rationality or analytical skills, but with their guts and instincts."
-So that he won't call me out on my bullshit attitude and just desire me for my big (AND NOT SAGGY boobs, this is just a little imperfection. How dare you pointing out my imperfection even though I write about imperfections of men on internet every week)

2. "They are laid back unemotional beings"
- Yes, my dildo doesn't have any feelings

3. "... and all you have to do is show up with your smile, relaxed and ready to have fun"
-Why did god even give me a brain? I hate thinking... like seriously. Personality is a foreign concept to me. I'm a beautiful flesh.

Not going to roast the 4th point. It makes sense. But it's not a masculine trait to be honest. It's a "good human" trait. By calling it masculine, you're roasting the femininity by calling it dishonest.

5. "A woman prefers a more masculine man when she is fertile and looking for a fling rather than a mate for life, according to a new study"
-Because I want to open my legs to a wide variety of hunks without committing to any, that's my choice. (Because deep down I know that no guy will ever commit to me in the first place as I lack personality)

[WowwGirl]

Don't ready catty man rants sorry you lost me at the title

[YourFutureEx]

I had absolutely zero expectations from you.

[WowwGirl]

Good

[WowwGirl]

Smart

[JoJoiLL]

MyTake on this - Almost all guys are more masculine than the average women by virtue of our testosterone. We have more hair, we have deeper voices, we're usually bigger and more muscular - even the skinny guys.

That said most guys are also not 100% masculine either, and have some feminine attributes, some more than others. This is completely natural and consistent with females who have some masculine attributes too. It's this overlap that allows us to relate to one another and have empathy and share common goals, like personal hygiene, dress sense and communication skills. This makes long term relationships possible.

In recent years I've seen an almost polarisation of male gender assignment, we now have to fit in either one or the other camp apparently -

1) The Macho Male - the personification of masculinity
2) The Femboy - Essentially a women with boy bits.

It's everywhere in the media and western culture and no less so here on GAG. Your question highlights it perfectly.

Can't a guy just be a regular guy please?

[kratcho]

Masculine men of course will trump over weak willed men who seek to please others rather than stay true to themselves, just as anyone who has strong resolve vs having no spine. But honestly, it's not all mens fault, to me at least it seems like throughout the years women have screamed about "toxic masculinity" this and that and any guy who would try to speak out about it would be smitten with some bullshit. Of course we have the choice to push through whatever people think but there comes a point to where it doesn't exactly just involve what people think of you but it involves your job, your social circles and your reputation, all because we speak out against this shitty mold being put out to almost make men soft on purpose. Maybe we just need strong leaders to set the example for us to get the hint, but as far as I know right now it doesn't seem like a lot of women want "masculine" men as much as someone they see as an "equal" when it really means "lesser" in some fashion. Not all women are to blame, not all men are to blame, but if we're gonna start trying to get to the bottom of this everyone needs to do their part.

[Marvelousadventures]

That same hyper masculine man that doesn't care about a woman's feelings is the same one cheating on her with the first sexy-over-cute girl that walks past him when she's not around. That hyper masculine man that has problems with intimacy is the same one that can't commit to a woman. Or has control issues. If we're going to make blanket assumptions about what hyper masculinity means let's not forget all of the problems that are associated with that toxic masculinity. Domineering attitude. Poor emotional control. Infidelity. All things men are taught make them superior to other men and prove they aren't gay. It's all stupid. As for sexual arousal. Sexual appetite is chemical and varies from person to person. That is like the misconception that women have lower sexual appetites then men. They don't.

[Nazgol]

So true. I agree

[OmNomaly]

Thank you

[ItsTheNephilim]

Errmm.. No. Humbly disagree with the picture that spots out the differences between feminine and masculine men. One can be masculine and still have feelings. It's called being human. The difference between whiny soft guys and masculine guys is that the latter knows how to prioritize emotions, not act like a feelingless cold douchebag. Goal oriented, challenge loving, sure but still respecting genuine feelings and keeping the drama aside.
No matter how masculine or how feminine, what's the right time and place, only the passage of time from then on can tell.
Agreed with taking the lead and non judgmental part.
But again disagree with not playing mind games. Doesn't matter whether a guy is masculine or feminine, one can still be good at playing mind games and manipulation.

[Vetis]

Think of the serial killer Ted Bundy. His feelings were evident in his poetry, mannerisms, charm. Intelligence = knowing your feelings. Femininity = feeling your feelings.

[ItsTheNephilim]

@Vetis he's known for the mental illnesses he's had. Of course he had his charm and girls liked him. If Ted Bundy meant the ideal case of masculine man, then masculine men wouldn't be dating material or someone who'd suit well for a serious relationship, for making girls swoon over them and getting in their pants, sure but nothing more than that. A masculine can still feel his feelings but he knows how to make a difference between useless drama and feelings that are good.

[Elsa143]

4th one IS SO TRUEEE !!
My ex appeared to be 'such a nice guy'.
He was the most perverted one. He'll pretend to be shy, innocent and not let females touch him in front of everyone. He appeared so rigid and traditional but he was a big liar. REALLY BIG LIAR ! He used to say he will die without me but I was not a fool. He still tries to get me back but I've blocked him.
After I broke up with him, i caught him following really dirty pages and random nude hoes. Then I got to know his real character.

[Elsa143]

Found out that he used to be obsessed with pornography. That's why he was acting like a beggar to get me back recently.

[Hypnos0929]

Sounds like you chose a dude uncomfortable with displaying his emotions and are now projecting bad qualities.
I mean just look at how you described him (Introverted, against PDA, horny, possible fear of loneliness), those seem like qualities you knew about early on but hated after a while. Don't know the guy personally but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt by saying you may need to re-evaluate what you went in liking vs disliking and what you left liking vs disliking.

[oddwaffle]

Have you noticed? Almost all the pretty birds are male. Like peacocks.

They are all men and they all judge you women the same way. The so called "effeminate" men are just guys who don't have enough money or brains and have to polish themselves with a cool boy look.

Even the tough guy act is the same deal. They don't have enough money or brains to back up their lives so they try to show off their muscles like a peacock showing off his beautiful feathers.

Real men don't have time for women. Sure they can make the time but why bother? They are too busy. It's not until they get somewhere that's when they start to want company. That's when they start to pick women.

The thing is, they are already rich and powerful. Are you worth their time? These guys aren't your average gym rat, some tough farmer boys or slick vampires in the dark. These are self made men. They are guys who figured out a way to cheat their way to success.

[Yaaten]

"Their sexuality functions on a more animalistic level, so they don’t assess you with their rationality or analytical skills, but with their guts and instincts."
That is supposed to be a [i]positive[i]?
Look, here are reasons why they're not better.
1. They are far more likely to allow their base emotions (ex. anger) to get the better of them, and are extremely prone to violence due to their high levels of testosterone.
2. They are far more likely to break the law, wind up in prison, or become drug-addled, due to (once again) their propensity to allow their emotions to dictate their responses to situations.
3. They are far more likely to take stupid risks, with both themselves and others.
4. They are responsible for all the wars, and the vast majority of violent crimes in the world.
5. They are irrational, illogical, obtuse and moody. Also vain, opinionated, hyper-aggressive and delusional.
I rest my case.

[Vviiccttoorr]

Honestly men should absolutely be masculine as women should be feminine; it is literally the way we were made. Science even proves it, physically and mentally. Sadly society has pushed for the roles to be reversed which is unnatural. Also it’s interesting cause I see people refer to Masculine men as “alpha males”; now sadly some people confuse that with “asshole”. For example there are women out there that think “alpha male” means abusers, manipulators, cheaters etc. when in actuality that’s called a “bitch” attempting to be an “alpha male” by treating a woman or someone weaker poorly. Like you said; being masculine is definitely better because, that’s what is intended as it is intended for a woman to be feminine. I just hope the roles stop getting reversed because, it puts a real hinderance on things like dating and starting a relationship.

[MzAsh]

I’m glad my man has a good mix of both masculine and feminine qualities. I have too much big dick energy on my own to be with another man who has the same. 😂

[WowwGirl]

Agree😂😂😂. Merry Christmas girly

[AdithyaR]

Lost me at point number 2. It's been noticed so many times that men being forced to hide their emotions and act emotionless is one of the reasons a lot of them are depressed and suicidal.
Like they're human and process emotions like a normal human. Now surely there is a proper way to express ones emotions and sometimes a right place as well. But I say if a bro wants to cry at a movie, let him, better than him living like an emotionless rock.

[TruthBringer]

That's our reality, bro. We either play the game or get left out. Especially in dating. Women in general don't like men who show emotional vulnerability. Plenty of men who end up with a cheating partner or get left out because she found a dude who happens to be more stoic.

[AdithyaR]

That just makes me wanna stay single forever honestly. I'd rather stay alone than kill my emotions to be with someone.
But I'm sute there are women out there who appreciate a man with emotions cause I don't see how staying with an emotionless person is gonna do any good on the long run.

[TruthBringer]

You don't have to kill your emotions. That's impossible. What you can do is have emotional maturity. Being emotionally stable is more than enough to deal with women. There are women out there who like a man who shows vulnerability. Do keep in mind that they are in the minority and you've filtered out the majority of the female population and thus lots of women you may have been compatible with.

I tell (young) men not to kill their emotions, but simply know how to control them. Either you control them, or someone else will control you through them. And that's not just in relationships. It also happens in the corporate world, family, friendships etc.

[AdithyaR]

Absolutely agreed. It's like I mentioned in my opinion that there's a certain time, place and appropriate way to express emotions. Emotional maturity is absolutely necessary.

[Twinrova]

I mean... really all you did here was just list off a bunch of bad qualities and say they're connected to feminine men some how, without any demonstration or evidence adduced in support of that implication. You did more of the same for masculine men, but instead of connecting them with negative qualities you connected them with good qualities. Are feminine men necessarily passive aggressive, for example? Where are you getting this stuff from? Lmao.

[Drakkith]

Some people aren't in touch with reality, man!

[Twinrova]

@Drakkith You can say that again. :^)

[OmNomaly]

She's living in her own reality.

[Archerer]

Strangely I get asked if I’m gay a lot, but then any woman I’ve gotten close to has told me I’m more of a man than anyone they’ve been with in the past (who generalul fit the aesthetics of a machoman). I guess my point is it’s not always surface level stuff that quantifies these things.
Although more recently I probably fit the aesthetics of a macho man after going bald bulking up and growing a huge beard. I’ve been a pretty boy most my life and I miss it to be honest but I can’t do it anymore lol. That ship has sailed.

[sejla]

I'm not sure if those assumptions are correct. Some very masculine can be pretty judgy on occasion and in some ways less flexible in their thinking. Also, manipulation to get their own way is more of a character flaw not specific to one type of man.

[cth96190]

The Feminists said that they wanted the sensitive dandies.
Ignore what a woman says, watch with whom she goes home after the bar closes.

[WowwGirl]

I like the word dandy

[themythos]

They dont asses you with rationality"😂😂 guess men fem for using thrir brain and not going for any girl.
People have emotions, crying over nothing is one thing but people could be going though more then you know.

Being upfront is really the only decent idea here and pretty sure most girls dont want guys approaching and asking to fuck.

"They dont ask where you want to go" how the fuck are we going to date if you dont tell me shit? The "jst show up and pretty" is worthless to me, i want a girl who can speak her mind, function on her own, and knoe how to have fun, otherwise im wasting time and money.

[themythos]

*men are fem*