Do you think the 80/20 rule is true for women? Why?

[Anonymous]

The 80/20 rule means that 80% of women go for the top 20% of men. Meaning basically that 60%-80% of men are sorta out of luck when it comes to dating. If that's true there wouldn't be any point in even trying if you're not in the top 20%. Unless you compromise and get with some very low quality girl.

Yes

No

[Anonymous]

Yes it is true. Just look how many vocal young men all over the internet that say they never had sex or a girlfriend or in a recent my take how older women blame men love for porn as causing a problem in the bed room.

Now what this means is overall 40% of men will be able to secure a girlfriend. Most relationship don't last and some girls might give the remaining 60% of men a chance at dating. This means that on average 60% of men will be able to find love around the teen and 20's year.

Now as women get late 20's and over something called biological clock kicks in. Women who say they never wanted kids start having baby rabies, women see friends and people they know getting married and they want that too. They start realizing the guys who will fuck them will not commit to them. They also begin realizing that they aren't getting prettier each year and less and less men want to commit to them.

So they lower their standards and dip into 60% of male. These guys now get a chance which is why many men experience a sudden increase in interest from women in their 30's. The hot guy these girls are swooning over either let themselves go or are lock down. They know they aren't going to get any prettier and each year get less attractive so they have to move quick and secure a mate unless they want to end up a lone cat lady.

The result is men in 60% who got no play in their teens and 20's get a chance with women but have to pay the full price for the pussy. What this mean is while a frat guy could have gotten her with some game, few bears at a party. You have to wine and dine her ass, give her gifts and wait on when she think you have been good enough to get sex.

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[Asker]

lmfao at "baby rabies". I'm going to remember that one. That is brilliant. xD

[Brian-Brain]

I voted Yes. I have friends who are considered very handsome womanizers. All women want them except when another friend of mine is around. He is not as handsome as them but will put James Bond to shame in getting women. He's in his mid 30's and he must have slept with over 250 women in his lifetime. When women hear about this they just forget about any other guy in room. Including the other very handsome womanizers. And within the hour he will have one and yes sometimes two women going home with him. I have seen it with my own eyes. And when I ask how he does it he says he doesn't know.

I also read about this experiment on a dating site where a guy had two profiles. One was like himself. In the other he pretended to be this guy that had a different women every week. The same women that rejected his normal profile threw themselves at his fake profile.

I guess women want a man that is desired by other women.

[udolipixie]

Do you think the 80/20 rule is true for women?
B. No

Why?
Studies show that it's generally males who go for the top percent. Take OkCupid's data Your Looks Your Inbox showing 2/3 of men go for 1/3 of the most attractive gals. The data showed that even though gals found most guys unattractive they still pursued a vast majority of males.

[animus1988]

women can easily increase their value by 2-3 points with clothes and makeup therefor they have the luxury of dating up. men have to be born tall and good looking and dont have the luxury of dating up as easy as women do

[udolipixie]

@animus1988
Men can easily increase their value therefore with status, wealth, personality, or charisma, therefore have the luxury of dating up. Guys generally "date up" as generally gals are the more attractive partner and the younger partner.

[BubbleBoy69]

guys don't date up. Hypergamy is a trait very heavily associated with women not men. Men are said to date down.

[udolipixie]

@Bubbleboy69
Guys do date up as they generally date gals more attractive and younger than themselves. Hypergamy is about social status/wealth. I'm not excluding what counts as 'dating up' only to money and status.

[BubbleBoy69]

Men who have increased their wealth and status to a very high amount have the luxury of dating women less attractive and younger. Men who are working 9-5 do not have that luxury.

[udolipixie]

@Bubbleboy69
Studies show the average couple is with the female being 5 years younger... so no men do not have to increase their wealth and status to a very high amount to have the luxury of dating younger women. Studies show on average gals are (slightly) more attractive than the males... so again no on the idea that males have to increase their wealth and status to a very high amount.

[BubbleBoy69]

Studies and age of these couples on average please.

[udolipixie]

@Bubbleboy69
I generally use paid scholar sites so it'll take some time for free coverage of the studies. I'll look for the 2015 study with the 5 year difference. For now here's a site with some data on a 2014 study about the average couple being an older man-younger woman (the difference in 2014 was 2.3 years.. notice that the age difference went up). fivethirtyeight.com/.../

[Asker]

Well it's kind of ironic that women rated 80% of men. That pretty much ties entirely together with the 80/20 rule. Like. Totally. Entirely. 80% exactly. And women don't pursue. Men pursue and women respond. Even on dating apps and sites. At least I've never ever received even one single message. And I view myself as above average and I've landed some hot ladies in my time.

Maybe we can get to the bottom of this. It's the okcupid study right? I read it a long time ago but I never saw anything about women pursuing the vast majority of males.

PS a younger woman doesn't necessarily necessitate more value than a man just because he's older. in fact older men have more value to women than younger men. Like by a lot.

[Asker]

Ironic that women rated 80% of men as unattractive*

[udolipixie]

It doesn't tie entirely together with the 80/20 rule because most gals *pursued* most guys. Despite finding 80% of guys unattractive gals still pursued a variety of guys. Males are the ones pursuing the top percent. The data showed women pursue so it's a clear contradiction to state "women don't pursue". You never receiving one single message doesn't mean women don't pursue. It means women don't pursue you. You viewing yourself above average doesn't necessarily make you such. I find most guys view themselves as above average as long as they aren't fat or deformed. Male beauty standards by males seem quite low. You dating hot gals doesn't necessarily mean you're above average as guys generally can "date up" in looks. Dude don't bs that younger women are not valued. A older guy dating a gal his own age is generally not seen as "dating up". It's your opinion not a fact that older guys have more "value" to women than men. I think you're confusing attraction or preference with value.

[Asker]

Annnnnnnd I think you're not worth talking to anymore if you don't even understand that older men are more valued by women or that it is like woefully obvious that men are the initiators in dating like 90-99% of the time.

[udolipixie]

Amusing you're talking about lacking understanding. Nowhere did I state guys aren't the main initiators. I stated it was a contradiction to claim "women don't pursue" in response to a study showing "who women pursue and respond to" to vs "who men pursue and respond to". But it's clear that you will twist things to believe what you want. Like saying a study showing gals pursue most guys "pretty much ties in" with the 80/20 solely based on gals finding 80% of guys unattractive. Not based on gals pursuing the 20%. Not based on gals responding to the 20%. But merely them finding 20% of guys attractive. Laters then. This will be on mute.

[Asker]

Women pursue so little in contrast to men that making an overarching statement like "women pursued the vast majority of guys" doesn't work

Oh I believe you are doing enough twisting for both of us. If you really had any intention of being logical then you would link the study or quote the study instead of just saying "It says that trust me."

[dudeman]

How do explain thw fact that more then twice as many women procreate compared to men.

[flypaper]

@udolipixie Totally agree. Well said.

[animus1988]

LOL accruing wealth, status and genuine charisma can take a lifetime. saying those things "come easy" is naive.

its not something you can "put on" in 10 minutes like clothes and makeup.

[FemaleAssassin]

It can go both ways smh...
I find it kinda funny that men have such high expectations of women but when their own game is played against them they suddenly whine and complain about how artificial women are and blah blah, guess hypocrisy never fails to stand it's grounds and show itself when it comes to men lol.

[FakeName123]

Yes and no.

The rule is true on a solely physical, hedonistic level. Aka what makes panties wet. Why? Because women have a tendency to think in a hivemind. If one woman thinks a man is attractive and displays that attraction, more women will think the same. Additionally it's a fight for social hierachy as well as the childish "I want the toy that someone else has".
Any guy who was in a happy long term relationship will know that once he was taken, he got approached a ton more.

It is not true anymore when there are more aspects coming into play such as emotional bonding, affection, love.

[brocklee]

Presuming it is accurate, pretty much the same rule would apply to men, but may be 70/30.

Most men are hypocrites in this arena. They complain the women they are attracted to are not willing to "give them a shot", but will justify turning down easily attainable women they are not attracted to. They are not willing to make the same exception they want from the women they lust after.

Then the other segment are pussies and afraid to take a risk and approach a woman in fear of being rejected.

[Dingsbums]

It also means that below average women (looks and personality) date the 20% of guys every girl wants to date.. like really? Women have it also difficult when it comes to dating and u can't generalize that anyway. Just take the responsibility that it is mostly your fault that u aren't getting what u want and work on that instead of always blaming "the others or society". I know it's not always fair like some people are born with rich parents or have better gens but u should ignore that and play out your strengths. Then u can form your life the way u want

[Asker]

That's a copout argument. Women have it significantly easier than men do in dating. Significantly. By far. It's the comparison to sitting back and letting lobsters jump in your boat or actually having to drop cages and wait a day to see if you caught anything--then learning that no, you did not catch anything.

Stop white knighting.

I blame no one for anything. This isn't about me, so don't make it about me.

[Asker]

Dating is literally just about trying to please the woman. She is the judge and you are the defendent. Or I guess a better metaphor is she is the employer and you are interviewing for a job. She decides whether or not you get the job. Because women don't care about relationships. They get so many guys coming on to them that they can easily just pass a guy up. Whereas guys care very much. This caring is why. Like simple economics. More demand = higher value. Also, if supply is high, value goes down. Women have a large supply of potential men so men hardly have any value. Men have a high demand for women so they have to pay a huge price.

Yes there are difficulties that come along with that for women. But really don't act like they have it anywhere near as bad as men do. It's just ridiculous.

And again. I ain't mad. I don't care. I'm asexual.

[capturemyheartnow]

No----If the 80/20 rule was applicable than 80 girls will go for 20 boys. So 1 boy will have 4 partners. Now the other way round 80 men will try to match with 20 women. So one women will have 1 partners. This rule is completely out of tune and assumes rigidity. I believe in the law of demand and supply and the law of equilibrium because I was an Economics Student. Some people may believe in the law of chance.

[BubbleBoy69]

HOOKUP CULTURE is a thing you know.

[meatballs21]

OKCupid did a survey and proved it was true. Men's ratings of women, meanwhile, followed a bell curve as you would expect.

[Anonymous]

I would highly doubt I am in the top 20 percent of men, and I don't have a problem with women.
And even if I was, somehow, unaware of it, in the top twenty percent, there's no way 80 percent of women are available to me.

[Anonymous]

Who I like might not necessarily mean my best friends like. Vice versa for them.

[OfDeath]

It's true I believe. None of my girlfriends have been babes or anything.

[Anonymous]

Men also go for the top 20% of women, or at least I do (even less than 20%, I'm very picky).

[CT_CD]

There's some truth to it