think it is true?
Do you find the 80/20 rule for women to be true?
think it is true?
Well generally yes this has been proven to be true, however not it the very general 80/20 sense, but close, sometimes closer to 90/10 if one went by pure analytical algorithms alone, from Tinder, HotorNot, etc its easier then ever to calculate this. I never thought about this but all the "hot" guys, or guys I have been involved with over the years all had similar qualities, physical builds, personalities and the like yet it was personality that would seal the deal with me. Turns out the few of the guys I dated, or had sex with whom I all thought were hot too this point were either players, very open and naturally comfortable with girls in their attitudes and went on dates/ had relationships often, of course not all worked out well. Not to mention their own flaws, insecurities and honesty immaturity of some of these guys will scare respectable girls off at some point. Every guy who is true to himself has a chance and puts himself out there and people shoudn't be obsessed with algorithms
you are a mental contradiction. you said you dated alpha chad thundercock manboys and then say to them to not care about statistics and that you care for personality above all (yeah, the chad personality). what you got right is that a specific type of women goes for these types, and if they want to pursue you while being betas its their problem not yours. i agree. i never dated or desired chads but hey, i'm a quirky 6, what do i know.
@levantine99 MHO
I have no idea. I just like what I like. They can be hot to some people or " what do you see in him? " type, if I like him then i like him. If I think he's too hot though, I don't even try lol but I think I have low self esteem because this super hot guy (he is now a model) I see him in magazines now lol Well he wanted to dance with me and called me hot but I found his so attractive that I left lol I couldn't dance with him. This was in highschool though. another guy who was super hot, said I was the hottest girl in town lol Okay, I don't believe that bs. Maybe he wasn't lying though because he had a talk with a guy in class in front of everyone! ( super awkward) when he found out the guy liked me, apparently he was trying to ask me out. He's now an engineer and still looking good. But who knows, I didn't feel hot enough for him lol It felt wrong to kiss him lol
"I just like what I like" would you rather pick a Ferrari or Prius? 80% would pick the ferrari
@Armourdillo I just like what I like. I like skinny nerdy guys who are introverts. My friends like to say that I like nerdy guys with baby faces lol So yes I would pick them over what society defines as "Hot". A person is not the same as a car lol A car you are using it to drive it and if you want a car with good mpg, and I would assume as a daily driver I believe a wise person would pick a prius. But I'm not going to choose a guy just because he is hot to other girls lol I have to like his personality.
Coincidentally all hot guys have aazing personalities
@Armourdillo Amazing personality means different to everyone though. For me it's a shy guy who is socially awkward lol It really turns me on. Some girls like outgoing funny guys.
Yes it is true because men stroke women’s egos and tell them they’re all 10s and that they’re beautiful even when they’re average or even under average (Just check out the How Do I Look? section for proof of this). This makes women overestimate their market value and think they’re deserving of the best and most attractive men, so they ignore average men. And then average men become desperate and thus praise and overvalidate all women hoping to get their attention, fueling the cycle.
LMFAO great theory!
Woww so young and so wise lol
this ain't a teen girl. you sound more like the red pill guys of reddit, lol
@levantine99 you would be wrong if you think only guys can be redpilled/bitter/incels or into LMS lookism
@IlyaTheImpaler I mean... totally true... but it's odd to see a chick say this so... was sort of surprised
@IlyaTheImpaler Actually came to the conclusion on my own, but if it’s a commonly held theory already I’m glad I’m getting with the program.
Also for those questioning, yes I am actually 15 and I am actually female. Needa see my birth certificate or something?
@CarpetDenim
Do you even realize the that beauty is subjective?
@MysteriousDarkness Of course it’s subjective, but it doesn’t vary THAT dramatically.
Yes but it’s not what you think it is. I only like guys that are 7-9s to me but they’re not universally considered 7-9s if that makes sense. if you asked my friend or a guy to rate someone I found to be say a 9 they might consider them a 5 or 6. I think it’s similar for a lot of women, they want someone really hot, but their definition of hot is really unique and specific.
Yes because people’s tastes overlap. Some guys are just more attractive than others. For some reason guys don’t understand this, like they don’t get why the 10 won’t date their 6 ass and ignore the fact that most girls have issues with dating. I for one get rejected a lot. I could complain but I don’t, I live with it.
This is definitely true as well. Most women don't find long hair attractive on a guy, but I prefer it. Most women also won't date a bald man, but I find mine sexier with a shaved bald head than when he did have long hair, for example.
I don't know because I was born very lucky in the attributes department. So I get hit on by women and some hot, but for some unknown reason I break that rule and I always go for the average, plain, basic woman. Right now I have this borderline ugly-cute skinny girl hitting on me and I think what attracts me is her boldness and she has that uninhibited wet sex maniac look in her eye. The other thing is, it drives the hot ones nuts that tend to be cold dead fish in bed. I can't tell you how many times I am with a borderline ugly-cute girlfriend and the hot ones start giving me shit. It is hilarious.
I think it's true but primarily for casual sex.
Girls are generally only open to casual sex if the guy is significantly more attractive than she is. Meanwhile, guys seem to be fine with hooking up with girls who are equally as attractive or even less attractive.
I don't know if 80/20 is the right ratio, but I 100% believe the number of guys who are considered desirable enough by women to consistently get hookups is A LOT smaller than the number of girls who are considered desirable enough by men to consistently get hookups.
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Well, biologically speaking, it is mostly true, yes. Though I don't get why is it that the hottest women aren't doing it, in this picture?
100% true. I was (am) one of those top 20% of men. I never went without a date. I dated women I was interested in. Yes, most of them would have rated a 6 or above but I didn't limit myself to the top 20%. I got married, had a son and then a divorce.
Now I'm in my fifties and don't want ANYTHING to do with any woman. I've recently had multiple women my age ask me out while I'm at the grocery but I want nothing to do with them. I don't find them attractive and I don't want to put up with their crap. I am deliriously happy on my own.
I can assure that I do not really like a guy who'd considered hot. Before I started liking my boyfriend he was average in my eyes. And after falling for him I started seeing him in a new light. And I didn't fall for either his looks or his personality. It was just him in general. I don't really know what made me like him, but it happened and I'm glad it did. We've dated for 2 years and I still love him.
You simply fall for whoever you fall for. And tbh, I don't think anyone sees all hot guys as hot. It's all about preference, and what you are attracted to
Define top 20%. The shy guy in class who is nice to me would be my top 20% as much as the Chad who gyms every day. In terms of sex yes, I prefer physical appearance. In terms of dating, however, it is more complicated.
Is this not the same for men? Would you not try to sleep with the top 20% hottest girls in your class before you go for the remaining 80%. That is considering that you don't actually have an interest in seriously dating either by the way.
its actually not the same for men, it levels off more
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Is this graph saying that most males believe that most females are average looking?
@victoriaxoxo
No it doesn't. The graph that @Toad-1 has uploaded resembles what in mathematics we call a Gaussian function or you may hear it been called a "bell curve", the most interesting name it has though, is normal distribution. It's been called like that because it's literally the function you will encounter most times in nature herself, ( yes I personified nature.. I know I do it all the time :P). What it means is exactly the truth aka most people we are average (both men and women). Think about it, it is extremely rare for a human being to have no flaws. Take for example a girl with a beautiful face and a good body who happens to have small breasts, that "flaw" will make her average (if she had at least normal size breasts she would be above average and so on..). Now that thing isn't bad at all it's perfectly normal (hence the term normal distribution). Men don't bother, dating average women since as I said before most men we are average ourselves.
@victoriaxoxo
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Now when it comes to women, the equivalent diagram unfortunately tells a different story. Women rate 70%-80% of males as physically inadequate and only 30%20% as at least decent looking. I will give you a similar example as I did before for women. A guy with a good body and a good looking face, who happens to be short should be considered as average (that's what happened with his equivalent female with small breasts). Sadly, just because of that "flaw" he is immediately classified by women as below average. As you may imagine that's by far, not a normal distribution. But think about can it be like that? Can nature be so... "unnatural"? Of course not. That wasn't always the case, in the past women followed the normal distribution regarding a males appearance. That's a new trend of our generation.
Men are generally the pursuers and women are the opportunists. If a woman has 5 guys asking her out, she will generally go with the more attractive guy. A man will generally ask out someone with equal or slightly more attractiveness as himself. Not saying it's a good thing, but it can be how it is.
I agree this
isn't the opposite true for guys? 80% of guys go for the 20% of hot and/or bitchy women... .
Men have to understood that human sexual attraction is a bit more complex and structured than animals. you can be an average looking male, but have status, money, confidence, cool social media stories, and lots of validation from other women who hang around with you and/or date you, and you will be guaranteed a lot of attention from women. from me, you'd get none, but hey, you don't want a nerdy 6 in the first place.
it actually isn't, it levels off more for guys. cdn-images-1.medium.com/.../0*EusB8T1lLN08buIP.png theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e
To be honest Levantine99, I prefer the nerdier girls. I'm not one of the 80% that goes after the 20% of hot and/or bitchy women. Hot and bitchy usually means popular and I'm not interested in popular girls. Nerds can be hot and bitchy too, but they do it in a different way. They seem to be more petite and small which is better than curvy and tall.
@WildNekoWolf yeah sure each human has preferences.
That's true. I prefer nerdier girls while some guys I know prefer the more popular and bitchy girls. Some also like the ones between nerdy and bitchy.
It's probably not 80% there maybe girls that settle for what they can get. Most girl who might go for the top of the class but find they can't keep them honest, many rich people are actually stupid and so shallow. Relationships are based on what is practical.
They don't get them though! Otherwise no one would have partners only 20%of men.
Definitely true.
I have 1,000+ Tinder matches. Most guys I know can barely scrounge 2-3. I know another guy who has like 1,500+ Tinder matches.
And it's strange because I don't consider myself to be any more attractive than those guys with 2-3 matches... as a matter of fact my personality is probably 10 times less attractive than their personalities...
Definitely true.
I have 1,0000+ Tinder matches. Most guys I know can barely scrounge 20-30. I know another guy who has like 1,5000+ Tinder matches.
And it's strange because I don't consider myself to be any more attractive than those guys with 20-30 matches... as a matter of fact my personality is probably 100 times less attractive than their personalities...
It should be 80% of women only find 20% of men attractive. I rarely hear men say their girl is anything but gorgeous, like at least 7. Even on this page you see women saying their boy is only a 5, but I love him. As a straight man I agree, I don't find most men attractive either.
I think everyone wants to be with someone attractive, good, and hard working. I do think people want to be with partners who may have more to offer than they do... but I don't think that means those people exclude partners with more similar abilities and appearance.
Ehh, these days, probably... Not me though, but maybe its because of what I believe in which I'm not going to get into but I prefer to be married to someone. But some people don't like being patient. There's nothing wrong with being attracted to someone at first but we have to look at certain people like hot food: it might look good, and it probably tastes good too but if you put it in your mouth you will end up burning your tongue!!! lol
Well most people tend to have similar features they find attractive or desirable. That part is fairly true. Like most things in life, I believe people like to oversimplify things so their reason is easier to apply when making logic conclusions about other parts of the world.
This probably relates to sex I believe. 20% of men get regular sex or hook up with women and the majority of women. Whereas the rest of men, it's harder and get sex here and there or some long dry spells. True women like lesser looking men and may like regular jobs, but the top charming guy with looks and $ and game could be the 20% getting the top women, whereas not so much for the rest of men
- Both genders *desire* the top 20%, there's something wrong with you if you don't.
- Most of the time both genders end up settling for less because the top 20% date the other top 20%.
So there is truth with this, but i find it ridiculous guys always try and swing this as if it only goes one way lol...
I think women tend to be attracted to the same types and traits in general, men seem more versatile with there tastes.
that women are attracted to same thing, or men being versatile with there tastes? lol
well the women being attracted to similar stuff isn't helpful for men lol, and i suppose being versatile is a good thing
I think guys are mostly just as picky for relationships but not so much about who they sleep with lol
@PrincessPie
Yes, what you've stated is true. But, don't think it's biological or that the two genders are "hardwired" to behave like that. That can easily change as time flows.
Nah... I like my men that In serious with to be a 5-7... A little fling or friends with benefits or something is more of a 8-10...
Interesting, you want to date down for a relationship but when it's fun you want hotter.
There is a book called Dataclysm written by owner of Ok Cupid. He realized that the site collects info about dating and preference of millions of people and some of it is rather interesting. And yes, men say yes to a lot of women, women are much more picky
Attractive guys are naturally more confident because they know they look good, often times guys that look that good have really good personalities, are outgoing, and maintain their physical and mental health well. That stuff is desirable to women. I think in my experience it's closer to 70/30 but not much of a difference and there are always anomalies. Overall I think it is true and unless itself to "survival of the fittest "
I mean what's wrong with wanting the best? Men do it too. Plus id say no because there are many interpretations of what the qualities that make up an ideal man
What's wrong with it is that if 20% of malesare impregnating 80% of women would actually objectify women a lot more than they are now. Those men would live in these harems while all the other guys would be working for nothing in their lives unless they kill off their attention to women and legitimately want to work eat sleep with nothing else in their life.
I guess for girls sharing these alpha men it's amazing, every girls gets the best. But for guys isn't not so good because they die alone and don't get to experience love or human connection because of their genes.
I don't like that , but you might so I don't know if I answers your concerns
Does that anger you?
Why? Should all people younthibknare ugly just remove themselves from the gene pool?
When girls reject guys it's because they don't want the shame of validating his feelings or being a possible prospect to pass his genes on into the gene pool. So why would anyone a girl doesn't like benefit her by living on the same Earth taking up space and using resources
Yea but according to the chart a guy has to be a 8 or up for be any girls type
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