Well it's hard to answer for my entire gender, so I will just say that in my personal opinion it's often fishy when a guy is nice to me.
I'm not saying that guys aren't typically nice, but in roughly 90% of cases, the "nice guys" just want to bone. When I was single I didn't really mind if a guy just wanted to hang out for sex, but if that's the case, I wish they would have just said so.
Then there are those guys who hook up with you, and you both know it's just a friends with benefits situation. Somewhere in the middle of it, he declares his love for you, so you accept him and the two of you start "dating". It all goes downhill from there, especially when you walk into a local coffee shop and see him cooing over some other woman, or when he starts ghosting you and you go to his house to find a pair of ladies' panties on the floor that don't belong to you, and you were just at his house a few days ago and *hint* they weren't there before.
It sucks when you start to fall for a guy and then he messes around on you. So I like to test the water before I jump in. And when a guy gets upset that I'm not 0-100 when he tells me to be, I ditch him because any man that expects you to just jump right into a relationship is probably not that great.00 Reply
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+1 yOkay, so this is similar to why girls choose 'bad boys'. A lot of women have been ignored, mistreated or abandoned by different guys growing up (dad, grandparent, uncle, teachers etc) & don't find it hard to believe it was because of them in some way, even if it's largely subconscious. The 'bad boy' confirms that, she doesn't have to do anything extra or change her expectations because he confirms them. It can be hard though, to accept we are special/worth it & it can be easier to run from a guy who treats us like that than to deal with it & get to know him. To be with a nice guy that really cares for you, you have to be able to trust yourself but to also trust that he's being genuine & not trying to manipulate you. Think of it like this, women are largely emotionally driven, getting together with a guy who tells her all kinds of things, sleeps with her & leaves would be like if every time you slept with someone there was a 50/50 chance of being kicked square in the balls the morning after. It'd really mess with your expectations, huh?
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I see what you're saying, but wouldn't it be a relief to be with someone who finally values you? I think when women find a guy who treats them right, they question his value not their own. Like, "there must be SOMETHING wrong with this guy if he treats me right because my last boyfriend (s) didn't. So there must be something wrong with him that I'm not seeing if he thinks I'm so great."
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@HopelessRomantic2119 No, it's always their own value & decisions they question. Sometimes they might get a bit weirded out by him because they can't understand why the other guys treated them differently if they deserve to be treated well. This can lead to some girls saying "You're so weird!" "Why are you being so nice?" etc etc even though sometimes when they ask they're trying to make sure he isn't just doing it so she lets her guard down & he can use her (which is pretty common. Not great, but common)
But consistency is key. Keep acting the same way, keep being genuine, keep telling her what you love and the message will get through "You are worth loving & you deserve to be treated right". It is a relief dating a guy who treats you well but only if he can prove his care is genuine not uh... 'self-motivated'. I know a lot of guys who are breaking the molds and doing so but when a girl finally believes a guy, you see a big change in her confidence & personality. - +1 y
I see, I was curious because me and my ex broke up and she had a lot of insecurities and self-worth issues. I did my best to assure her that there was nothing to be afraid of with me, I think she's beautiful, sweet, caring, I love her for who she is, but I think due to her past I scared her with how much I cared and she left me. She said I did nothing wrong, she just needed to focus on herself and figure some things out. Her friend confided in me that she was very confused and that having a guy who actually did the little things made her even more confused-- "why is this guy trying so hard for me?" It sucks when you look back on a relationship and say "maybe I should've been more of a jerk to her?"
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@HopelessRomantic2119 I think it's part of life though, figuring yourself out & growing up. I'm glad you made the decisions you did but even if you make the right choices doesn't mean the other person will or that they're ready too.
When you're learning something new, something hands on, you have to have the chance to try it yourself. Even if it takes you longer than someone walking you through it, you will remember the lesson because of what you went through & it'll mean more later.
I think guys struggle to discover where they fit as far as their role & what they can do with what they have (accountant, family man, body builder, businessman) but women discover where they fit *internally*, what different emotions & connections are & what that means to them & find their place in society by learning how to surround themselves with people who care about them who they can care for. So there's going to be some failures, mistakes or wrong turns but not being a jerk is more important. - +1 y
@yoshi_wanna_ask I appreciate your insight. It's hard to understand though, I think at least emotionally women are more complicated than men. For example, my ex will reply to texts, but avoids phone calls or meeting up. She says she misses talking to me, but she's afraid she'll lead me on by doing so. A phone call is leading on? I can't help but wonder if she's afraid of leading herself on, if that's how worried she is? And also if you miss me, why did we break up? Why can't we talk? Any advice you can share is appreciated haha
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@HopelessRomantic2119 Well I think the leading you on she's worried about is giving you the impression that you could be a couple again. It takes a while after a break up to readjust the way you think about the other person. Obviously being in person or talking over the phone means she feels she doesn't have the extra thinking time to try & say what she actually *wants* to say but instead defaults back to jokes & flirting that then, give you the wrong idea.
I think, like you said, that she has a lot going on and probably isn't ready for a real relationship. It sounds like she has some things she needs to work through & learn about. You don't really want to be short-changing yourself in a relationship either, no one deserves to be treated crappy by their BF/GF. I wouldn't be surprised if she is worried about leading herself on too. It happens... oddly enough. She would miss what you had but is adjusting to what it's like not having you around. - +1 y
Thank you so much! Seriously. I've talked to quite a few people about my situation, and I think you've given me the best insight out of all of them. I don't disagree that things wouldn't work out well if we tried to be "friends". But, I can't help that I still love her and miss her. Is giving her space my best option? Or should I give up on her and I ever getting back together?
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@yoshi_wanna_ask That had never occurred to me about why she wouldn't talk on the phone. But it makes sense, I'm pretty quick-thinking and charismatic, where she is more reserved and shy. I just would rather talk than text in a situation like this because so many things can get misconstrued or misinterpreted
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@HopelessRomantic2119 That's understandable about calling. But when I've had to have those kinda conversations I've always found I lose my thoughts & wanting to "be polite" or say what I think people need/want to hear & gets muddled up with what I actually want to say. There's no 'undo' feature IRL.
Normally I'd say don't give up but offer her a time-frame (take a week, think about what you want/need in a relationship & if you're willing to work on 'us' & we'll chat online) but in this case, it seems maybe she's not emotionally mature enough for a real relationship. I get it can seem a bit harsh & cruel & certainly you know each other a lot better than I do but... there are certain things girls do, or don't do, when they are ready & being with someone who's not there yet, will cause you a lot more heartbreak in the long run than happiness.
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@yoshi_wanna_ask I'm just wondering if telling her how I feel will make her reconsider or push me further away, and I'm leaning toward it will make her push me away. I just don't understand how you can go from seeing and talking to someone every day to nothing, especially when her and her friends have told me I did absolutely nothing wrong. She tells me she misses me, but I don't know it just doesn't make sense to me. I appreciate your continued advice, it's made me feel a lot better!
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@HopelessRomantic2119 You can try the '1 week' option if you want but just how quickly she ran from everything, I don't know if she wants to be in a relationship right now. You shouldn't have to strive to keep someone with you.
First things first; you really, I mean REALLY, need to find out about what you need & want in a relationship. Some people need dependability, others need reassurance, others want adventure, what is it that you need them to do with/for you and what do you want? Look up some good relationship teaching to get you started on what to think over.
Next, try taking the 5 Love Languages quiz. Basically people express & receive love 5 different ways and knowing & not knowing can make the difference of night and day. Finally, when you do talk to/text her again, tell her you're still interested & you've been thinking about her but that you respect that she felt she needed to make the decision that she did. - +1 y
You've been missing her but thinking about what a long term relationship might look like & wondered if she'd considered the same thing? You could give some examples (I see us shopping together, going overseas eating pizza... whatever's on your list) and you know that you need people around you who are (patient, curious, different etc) and you'd love to know what she wants/needs in a relationship and if she's ever really thought about it.
You could say you're really interested in still being together but it's important to be on the same page & you'd love for her to really think it over & talk about it in a weeks time together. It might come up a time or two before that but talking it over as it comes up will help her process it all better. If you're aware of what you want/need & she is too it'll make things so much simpler. But she can't just leave you holding the big boy boots. I'm guessing she's at least 21 so she's old enough to take responsibility for her relationship choices - +1 y
I see what you're saying, that's some great feedback, thank you! This is all stuff I think would be most appropriate to talk about in person or over though, right? How can I open those channels of communication when she only wants to text? Do I just hope and pray eventually she wants to talk in person or takes a phone call from me? I want her honest answers, I don't want to hear what she thinks I want to hear.
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@HopelessRomantic2119 That's why online chat/text is better for now because her answers *won't* be as honest if she doesn't have time to think over what she's trying to say. I can understand why you'd want to do it in person but online is much better. You're both there but neither of you are "there". If she can read & think about what you have to say it will impact her more. Because she won't just read it once or think about it once but she will re-read and re-read what you've sent her and think about everything it could mean *for the entire week*.
Another good step is to make plans to physically meet up at the end of one of these conversations. "It'd be great to get together and hang out again, you free Sat at 2pm? Okay see you then". Just short and simple. Don't leave room for 2nd guessing, say what you mean & mean what you say. - +1 y
Ok that makes sense. Do you think I should go about this immediately? Or wait for more time to elapse? (We broke up about 2 months ago, and haven't texted since last week)
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@HopelessRomantic2119 Since it's been that long since you last texted, do it as soon as you get a chance but don't send it after 8pm or before 8am. If she's tired, stressed or busy her knee-jerk will be to shut it down straight away and not even consider it. Texting her between these times will give you a better chance.
But if she does say no, that's okay too. It doesn't mean she didn't appreciate you or it wasn't a meaningful relationship, just that she wasn't ready for it. It's okay to reminisce and miss her but it's okay for it to end too. - +1 y
You've been a tremendous amount of help, I appreciate you corresponding with me. I have a feeling she's not going to be ready to rekindle or even talk, that's why I asked if I should wait longer. I figure if she's ready she'd contact me. I have these tickets to this concert in a few weeks and I had gotten them for us, but hadn't told her cause I wanted to surprise her. I'm not sure whether I should still ask her or not, and if so how I should go about doing it so it doesn't seem manipulative or like I'm trying to force anything.
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@HopelessRomantic2119 Don't tell her about the tickets otherwise she'll start questioning motives for everything. Just try to talk for a week or so and see what happens if things keep going well in 2 - 3 weeks I guess you can mention it, otherwise I'd say see if you can find someone else who'd like to go or even resell the ticket.
You're more than welcome though :) I get that there can be a lot of confusing things for guys to navigate about women particularly thinking so differently and a lot of people don't have the teaching about relationships they really need. Listening to teachings from relationship/marriage experts can make a huge difference but never stop educating yourself. - +1 y
That's why I'm leaning towards just not asking her. I know it'll be interpreted as me trying to force or manipulate the situation. Ohhh yes, women are nearly impossible to figure out lol. I wish she would just communicate how's she's feeling. In my opinion any issue she felt we had-- like moving too fast-- could've easily been talked about. But her insecurities and fear of any sort of confrontation prevent her from doing so. I wish she would have pumped the brakes on our relationship instead of slamming on them and being the relationship to a screeching halt. How does one constructively communicate with a person who will avoid a situation where an argument may arise at any and all costs? Because that's how my ex is. I want to contact her, but I'm afraid that it'll come off as desperate. Just out of curiosity, do you have some sort of background in counseling? You seem to be more educated/insightful than
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(Continued)... than most of the people on here.
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@HopelessRomantic2119 I think the main way that people learn how to express themselves and how to respond to others is time and experience. I'm guessing she's shy and a bit of hermit? People like this tend to rely on other to be an emotional buffer for them because of how their negative experiences have impacted them. A lot of people don't learn to appreciate those around them until they've fallen on their faces a number of times & gotten up. Not something you learn that quickly when someone else is taking the brunt. It is a sad situation & I can see you care a lot but there's only a happy ending if both of you are willing to grow & change & it doesn't sound like she is yet.
I don't have a background in counseling but thanks for the compliment *^_^* I've grown up in the church so I've always been learning about people, relationships & ways to grow & mature as a person. There's such a wealth of knowledge when it comes to speakers who talk on relationships. - +1 y
@HopelessRomantic2119 I'm also a bit of the clever, analytical type so I'm always seeking out new information and talking to people about what that looks like when you try and live it because there's often a fair difference between theory and practice.
It's a little... unfortunate, most people don't try and answer these questions well, but the fact that I could really help people and make a difference in their lives by the answers I give is part of why I stuck around. Since I spend a lot of time trying to find the best answers to things in life, it's even better if I can share those with other people. Especially people like yourself who really, genuinely need to know what the heck is going on. - +1 y
I think she's trying to change, but the only way she can truly change is to see if she can make it on her own. She told me she saw always identified herself by a relationship, and has been in LTRs since she was in her teens. I can't say I don't totally understand the need to discover one's self as an individual given her past, it just hurts that we couldn't maintain SOMETHING while she does that. But I suppose since the bridge wasn't burnt there's always hope for the future. I think she does care about me, and that's why she said she "misses me, but doesn't want to lead me on" if she's not ready to try again. I feel like it's a case of "right person, wrong time" Which is bittersweet. She is shy and insecure physically and emotionally, but she tries to hide it. She also said at times how much she liked me "scared her" because she always gets hurt when she likes someone that much. Which is ironic cause I feel like I'm the one who got hurt the most in the end lol
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I also think that we were moving a little fast, and she didn't know how to slow it down without hurting me. So her response was I'll just end it that way we don't have to discuss how we're going to slow things down. That way she didn't have to have a conversation where you could 1.) Hurt me 2.) Talk about her feelings and 3.) Have to possibly deal with.. I hate to use argument or confrontation because of the negative confrontation but basically an "uncomfortable situation" She'll do anything to avoid the awkward/uncomfortable/confrontational. Her roommates even agreed with me on that. I just don't understand why she would've been so scared to talk about that with me, and the only logical explanation I can come up with is that it must have to do with her past
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@HopelessRomantic2119 Yeah, it sounds very much like she's grown up in a sexually or physically abusive household. So growing up she's had to find a safe place and take care of everything herself. Which means if she doesn't understand it, it could hurt her, so she avoids it. It's also possible she could have some social anxiety alongside that and people who do tend to skip common courtesy and can have a hard time processing other peoples feelings.
I wouldn't at all be surprised if she has Autism or Aspergers Syndrome (similar but different) like I do. Just the way that things overwhelm her so easily and how she has difficulty responding like an adult are just some indicators. It doesn't have to be a big, scary, horrible thing, especially since Aspies tend to have incredible talents, but I know the 'Aspie quiz' was the fist thing that really gave me a wake up call. (It's by an Australian psychologist) - +1 y
@HopelessRomantic2119 *Anyway* girls can find it really hard to really know what they want and how to get it while they're focused on a relationship. Especially if they really like the guy, he tends to be all they think about. So getting away or having some time apart can really help with that. I guess a good sign in that regard is that with the thinking she's done, she realises she misses you. Send her a message on a platform where she's not expected to respond straight away, like FB or something. Be patient and you'll see where she's at when she replies. Which, if she's missing you, and thinking about you, she will.
But don't think you *have* to do this. You have a choice in this too and even though it sucks you can *choose* to let her go and look for a girl who'd be a bit more suited to you. You don't have to be a girls servant boy. - +1 y
She doesn't have Asperger's, but she was a addicted to drug's at one point in her life before our relationship. She doesn't have a problem interacting socially, it's just that when it comes to intimate discussion or having to express how she feel she closes up. I'm the opposite. I have an issue, my method of actions is "let's talk." I don't yell or curse, but at the same time I know that a non confrontational person like herself sees even a mature discussion about feelings as uncomfortable so she runs or closes up. I just wish she'd willing to meet up and talk with me because the things I think we should talk about are uncomfortable, and with texting she has the option to just not reply. It's not malicious but it is a form of passive-aggressive behavior
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@HopelessRomantic2119 Well you don't really want to corner her either. There'll be much less chance of either of you being happy with that situation. I hear what you're saying about wanting to talk it out though. I think all you can really do is give her the option. You kind of just have to send it out their as a last ditch effort and leave the ball in her court. You could even make it clear that you're not waiting around for a reply "I'd love to hear from you but if not I'll take that as your answer". Either way, I hope things get a bit less dramatic for you soon.
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Thanks I appreciate it!
+1 yIn my experience, guys who say they are nice or good, are conceited and think that someone owes them something. I don't owe a guy anything if I date him. Nothing at all. I am just as entitled to my opinion and my life and what I want as you are. When these kind of questions get asked, I kind of step back and think "Do these "nice" men think women stay with men who hit them, kick them, spit on them?" I mean really? Evidently, I won't even get mixed up with a person like this. What is your definition of being treated badly? In any case, the short answer would be that women want excitement and reputation just as a man does. If I was with a guy who was just borderline boring, insecure, but "nice" he says as though that's some accomplishment, then I would for surely reconsider.
Also, some girls brush appearance off initially. They will give you a chance even if you are not exactly attractive (unlike guys), but they will think about it more and more and decide they can't do it, or won't.00 Reply
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yit's scary to find someone who treats you how you think you deserve because what if it's just an act to get you to commit and then you get trapped in something that's too good to be true?
while I'm sure the feeling of being appreciated and respected is great (and I want it some day, don't get me wrong), the idea of finally finding someone after everything I've experienced sounds almost too good to be true. I mean, I know I'm worthy of someone like that but that kind of comfort is something a girl dreams of.
it could also be stubbornness or just bad timing in general, but I think for me it'd be scariest to find someone so compassionate and considerate that I wouldn't want to make a mistake04 Reply
Asker+1 yWelp you gotta take the plunge sometime lol
Opinion Owner+1 yI get that, and I'm willing to, but it's just a caution, you know?
Asker+1 yBut then how does a guy get around it? Especially when it's so easy to think that she just isn't interested?
Opinion Owner+1 ythat is a great question.
I think for me it would be making sue that the little things don't go unnoticed too often. maybe even being really vulnerable and saying something along the lines of I'm here for you and not to pressure you. something that shows support without being smothering, as well as respect and admiration. I know touch is a big thing for me and having those calming touches to the leg, hugs, etc.
it's also one of those things where if it gets really hard we find a way to work it out together instead of getting mad
So with people in general, too many compliments/give aways too soon will make them feel awkward. This is true in dating and just normal friendships. I've had a couple friends who try and shower me with free shit and I find it awkward/annoying. Girls who over compliment me make me feel the same way. I just wanna be a person, so ya I guess the pedestal thing. Shit that is a bit wordy.
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862 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. You should want a girl who wants you and wants to spak with you, not some wishy washy girl who csn't make up her mind, who doesn't have enough respect for you to say she's no longer intetested or sorry your just to nice for me. Put her on the block list and just ignore her dont let her stress you, their will be that girl that actually respects you
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Thank goodness! Finally a guy who doesn't think we're all monsters.
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@yoshi_wanna_ask lol true their are plenty of girls just like guys who aren't monsters for some reason the wrong ones catch our eyes first
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Always wanting what's bad for us I guess :p
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+1 yAs someone who almost recently dumped a good guy here are a few reasons:
1) lack of excitement
2) doesn't exclude confidence
3) less sexual attraction than other suitors
4) emotional unavailability
5) feel bored/ few similarities
6) not the right personality
7) close friends/family disapprove
Everyone knows they deserve a person who treats them well, and sometimes it's easy to justify wanting "a guy to who makes your heart race" over a guy who will the hold open door." The second, is an action that can be learned, but the first is more powerful (and fleeting).10 Reply1.8K opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. What gives?
Regardless of how well a guy may treat you, that's not going to magically make anyone develop feelings that were never there in the first place. So regardless of whether a guy is treating a girl well or not, after a month or two is when most people know if they want to stay with someone or not. The same of which would apply if the guy was a straight up asshole but of course you're only going to look at this from a 'nice guys finish last' perspective..
file.instiz.net/.../...c27809c1f8822425e44590f.gif00 ReplySome girls are afraid to let them selves fall in love because they know it means forever. Many times they dont accept (because they do realized) that this guy may be their chance at finding love. Sometimes girls are hard headed and won't want to be chased by a guy, because they like to hunt for themselves. Sometimes you need to let them go for them to realise what they had ): My advice is, make sure to meet their mom and their best friends, because when she's off chasing stupid guys, they will remind her how good you were to her
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+1 ySometimes "good" guys and girls move things along too fast in terms of commitment and scare people away. I did that to my first boyfriend and have had that done to me. Sometimes there's a fine line between treating someone well and suffocating them, unfortunately. Space is important. Girls have also learned that guys will treat them well in the beginning to manipulate them and then change for the worse, so it can be a trust issue.
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+1 yOH MY GOSH I HATE WHEN GIRLS DO THIS
ONLY IDIOTS DO THIS
I WOULD NEVER DO THIS
Some girls do this then complain there are no good guys around, like yeah there are and you flippin just friendzoned him literally just a moment ago!! Nah man, if I like a guy that's that, and if I don't then sorry I can't help my feelings. But no way is being treated well gonna put me off! Whoever it puts off is NOT worth your time!!10 ReplyI think for the most part girls love to chase. Whenever it comes easy we get bored. Or at least me. We want that perfect combo of a nice guy with and edge. Most guys are afraid to either scare them off by being a little dominant or they don't care at all and are fuckboys. See, it doesn't makes any sense. That's why so many good guys are single. Usually when that goodguy gets a girlfriend, "they" as in previous girls notice what a catch he was/is... lol
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+1 yIf I ever met a good guy that was ready for a relationship and I found him attractive I'd go after him. There's just so many fuckboys or men that act nice just until he gets a girl in bed then fucks her over that women don't know if a good guy is an actual good guy. Tell men to stop tricking women and then we'd go for the right guys instead of being fucked over and then (some not all, I'm defo not that type) women go round fucking men over and accidentally fuck over nice guys and then the cycle continues
00 ReplyI can't speak for other females but for me... I adore it when a guy is respectful like that... BUT he must also not be a doormat. I love it when they have backbone too. Sometimes being given whatever you want and having everything handed to you on a silver platter can be overwhelming and possibly even boring for some people. There should be a balance.
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+1 yThey are running from signs of commitment. If you start treating them good then they think you are getting serious and they are not ready to be steady. They will change their mind when they hit 30 then they will treat you nice and you will be running for the hills.
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+1 yScared of commitment & scared that he'll eventually turn out to be an asshole so it's better to save myself the trouble of finding out later when I'm really attached
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Asker+1 yHow does a good guy ever win then? 😞
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Be consistent
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+1 yBecause maybe they just realize they are not compatible or into you or someone else came along and swept them off their feet or they are still into their ex.
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+1 yI haven't heard of that. If a guy treats me well and I find him attractive. That's a sign for me to try going after them more, not less.
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+1 yI think we are scard to fall in love with a good guy!
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@Youngwoman411 Just out of curiosity, why?
Asker+1 yYeah why be scared of a good thing?
+1 ybecause, some girls have been treated so damn bad in the past she thinks that it's just too good to be true. She thinks that all of it is an act.
00 Reply4.9K opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. Some girls just aren't used to being treated well, so they feel like there must be some sort of catch.
11 Replytruthfully it's because girls tend to fall for the wrong guys and we get use to being treated like shit so when a guy treats us good we throw up a guard and think there's a reason why they are being so nice so we run.
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@tarebear9 But why do you run from the good guy? Like what scares you about him so much that you just break up with him?
Is this when you are in a relationship with her or are you still trying to ask her out?
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+1 yShe's just not the right girl buddy
Anybody will be with someone they want00 Reply
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yIt's not about the guy. It's about her just not feeling it
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+1 yBecause we're scared they'll turn into someone else, especially if they're too nice.
00 ReplyGood guys don't whine like this... 😏
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Asker+1 yWhere is the "whining" in this?
maybe they think it's too good to be true
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