With women taking over more male roles. Why are women so hesitant to give up their power?

[wtf22]

I have noticed it with basically every woman I talk to about the rise of feminism and "equality". This is not all women, but definitely the majority.

Now that gender roles are changing for so many women, in the home and the workplace. Why are they so hesitant to give up their power in dating and the home? And reinforce traditional male roles when it suites them. Why don't you approach men? Why don't you plan a date for us? Why don't you pay for it? Why don't you put up the Christmas lights, or cut the grass, or change the oil?

It never fails that I will be talking to a "progressive" woman who will agree that these changes needed to happen, but then when I bring up the subject of dating or home life, suddenly they are "traditional" and think the man should ask, plan, and pay. Or we should be the fixers. Because that is what men do and have always done. With no solid reasoning, other than they just like it that way.

I also notice that these same women complain about men not helping around the house, but the truth is most of these men do help, it's just not to the level that the woman expects or wants, so she counts it as him not helping and being useless instead of her just maybe needing to have things "her way".

My question is, if men are giving up the power they once held, why won't women give up theirs? If we are truly a team here, and looking for equality which I think is great. Why then do women defend "their world" so much from men to keep them from entering, but freely enter "ours"?

I think this is a big reason for so much tension between the sexes right now. Do you think this is a fair assessment? Do you think men aren't being given a fair shake, or is this treatment deserved?

[keegan12321]

Women are superior and always have been. They are genetically coded to be the carers whilst males are engineered to be the hunters.
Now that women are taking control of their careers, the males are being forced to be more domesticated.

[wtf22]

Lol, how are women superior?

[keegan12321]

For one, with today's technology, they can potentially reproduce without the need for any male help.

[wtf22]

Actually no, they still need sperm. And even in that case that doesn't make the superior.

[keegan12321]

What if I told you they didn't need sperm? That it was possible to reproduce without any sperm at all?
The problem is it's really expensive and at this time not reliable enough

[wtf22]

What if I told you that the only thing keeping men from taking over this world was our own politeness? Do you really think if men wanted to take over women we couldn't? We have done it before and can do it again. Now that being said, I still don't think that makes men superior. No one is. You just sound like an idiot really.

[Astoriana]

I’m allergic to grass and I don’t have a car. I would rather breathe, thanks.

[wtf22]

That's an obvious exception. Being in danger is different than just thinking it's not your job. Is that all you got out of this? lol

[Astoriana]

No, I got that you’re whining a lot too.

[wtf22]

Lol, right... not like I didn't expect that answer. Why do you think I'm whining? I asked a question and asked what people thought. I only stated something I have noticed and asked if anyone else had as well. You seem to think that is whining for some reason.

[wtf22]

Do you consider it whining when women complain about catcalling?

[Astoriana]

It is whining though.

Feminism is about having choice. Y’all want women to be forced to do things they don’t want to do because apparently that’s real equality.

[wtf22]

Feminism is actually not about choice, it is about equality, not picking and choosing what you want to be equal. I don't want women to be forced to do anything I never said that. I just don't see why women defend not paying for dates and asking men out so viciously.

Can you explain to me why it is my job to ask women out and pay for the date then?

[Astoriana]

Girl, if you don’t want to do that, you don’t have to. But don’t whine about being lonely when no one is willing to see past your combative personality.

[wtf22]

I don't understand how asking a question is being combative. And I actually do have a girlfriend, not lonely at all.

But your right if I didn't ask women out and pay for the date and be a "good man", I would be lonely and alone. Because I am expected to do all this cause I have a dick. Do you think that is fair, that men are expected to have all the responsibility while you have none?

You have been nothing but insulting and condesending, so who is really being combative. I have been polite and have not insulted you at all. Do you think this treatment is deserved?

[Astoriana]

The premise of the question is condescending and insulting, so yes.

[wtf22]

How? Do women not expect men to do all the things that I said? Just because you don't like the way the truth sounds, doesn't make it any less true.

Is it condesending to ask why men expect women to take care of children?

[Astoriana]

Yeah, it is, especially when men think that looking after their own children is babysitting.

[wtf22]

So let me get this straight, you think it's condesending to assume that men will not take care of their children, and then you follow it up by saying men consider it "babysitting"...

And by the way, I have never heard a man say this, but I've heard plenty of women declare that their husband is "babysitting" for the day. Is that not condesending and insulting?

[wtf22]

Just answer me one question. Why don't you want to ask men out and pay for dates? What's the issue?

[Astoriana]

Oh my cousin’s husband does it all the time. And if the baby shits himself at the beginning of the night or whatever, he’ll sit in his shit all night because her husband is useless and won’t change a diaper.

[Astoriana]

Honey, I do. I just think it’s presumptuous that you want to force everyone to do it because it suits your whims.

[wtf22]

Ok, so let me ask you this. Do you think it's right that he doesn't participate in this? Do you wish that he would pull his weight in this regard?

[wtf22]

Do you think she should be "expected" to clean the babies diaper because it's her job?

[wtf22]

Honey, I don't think you understand the argument. But I can see that you think you do. lol.

I really appreciate you talking to me like some sort of chauvinistic man though. Suits you well :)

[Astoriana]

No, I think her useless husband needs to step up and stop being so fucking useless.

[wtf22]

And my point is. Don't you think that her "useless" husband has thing or two that he would like HER to help out more with? Or is she completely blameless in this scenario?

Maybe, just maybe he would like her to plan a nice creative date for HIM, oh shit! Maybe he would like her to go cut the grass so he can stay inside and watch tv. Maybe he would like her to pay her share of the bills. Not saying they have these problems, just pointing out that men have issues with women not picking up their slack as well. It's not exclusive to men being terrible fathers. All I'm asking if for women to think of those things as well before you go criticizing men all the time. You guys have your faults too, why aren't we allowed to talk about them?

[Astoriana]

They have two children under the age of 4. The time for dates has passed.

[wtf22]

Lol, your right good argument... they have kids now so fuck what he wants, but her needs are paramount.

And I was using them as an analog for the real problem, not their marriage specifically. But I don't think you want to listen to me anyway so I'll let you have the last word I suppose. I know you desperately want it. It's a shame honestly. So many women think like you.

[Astoriana]

How about the child’s needs? Why should he have to sit in his own shit all day when she’s out working to be able to contribute equally to the household?

[wtf22]

You were just complaining about HER needs a second ago... now it's the child's needs... Again I ask you, when are his needs considered? It sounds like after her and the child are taken care of, then we can do something nice for daddy.

Obviously the child comes first, but why does dad come last always?

I'm not saying that dad can't be a piece of shit, but why does it seem so impossible to fathom that the woman could have some fault in all of this? You seem to think that men are always wrong. But AGAIN, i'm not talking about your stupid friend and her shitty marriage that you are way too invested in. I'm asking why women can't meet men halfway. If we are willing to change how we think and what we do, why can't you?

[Astoriana]

Except you’re not that willing to change. Look at all this whining you’ve been doing.

[BellePepper]

I like how when were talking about changing a child's diaper that's suddenly catering to the woman's needs. It clearly has nothing to do with being a responsible parent

[wtf22]

Lol, again it seems to be only whining when a man is doing it.

This argument has devolved to a point where you aren't even making sense. I don't give a shit about your friend, her husband, or her shitty baby. Never was about them, you just changed the subject because you didn't have any good points.

[Astoriana]

Which is just your way of deflecting a valid point.

If men want women to step up, they have to do it too. They cannot go on as the 1950s stereotype of a father who came home at 5 pm and ate dinner at 5:01, then watches TV in the lounge until 10 before going to bed.

[wtf22]

@BellePepper my whole argument is about how men and women shouldn't be expected to fill these gender roles. The problem I have is that only seems to apply with women. I don't give a shit about her friends shitty marriage.

It shouldn't be her job to take care of the child, and it shouldn't be his job to do all the shitty house work and repairs, or pay for dates. These are roles based on environments that don't apply anymore. So why then do women defend these privileges they have to the death? If men are willing to take on more female roles, shouldn't women do the same?

[wtf22]

So if men want women to step up, men have to do it for them is what you are saying... lol

[Astoriana]

Can’t have it both ways. Women cannot handle all the things that they’re “supposed” to do if they’re also going to have to do all of the things men are “supposed” to do. Change doesn’t come from nothing.

If you want your girlfriend to mow the lawn or fix her own car, teach her how to do the latter and take over the household chores or something. Don’t just sit around expecting her to do EVERYTHING in the house.

[wtf22]

Sure, but then couldn't you then also say that if women want men to step up, then they can't subscribe to this 1950's version of what a man is anymore?

[wtf22]

which was my original point to begin with.

[Astoriana]

Was it? Because it just seemed to be a whole lot of “this is so unfair! You are so mean! Why do I have to do things! Wah wah wah!”

[wtf22]

lol, I think that was just your hatred filtering through...

[wtf22]

Again I ask you. If a woman is "whining" about getting catcalled, is that whining? Or is that pointing out a societal norm that needs to be challenged?

[Astoriana]

I know and know of so many men who do housework poorly so that they don’t have to do it ever again. My father does it, even though my mother’s heart condition prevents her from doing a lot of things around the house. Then he gets pissed at how dirty the house is. Tell me, is that fair?

[Astoriana]

You know what societal norm needs challenging? That “women’s work” isn’t real work. Childcare, cooking, cleaning, nursing, emotional labour, all work. But that’s not valued because god forbid a man wash a fucking dish.

[wtf22]

I also never said women are mean, or that I was sad I had to do things.

I'm just saying if we are to be equal. Why are men expected to do these things that women aren't? But at the same time you are "whining" about how women are expected to do things that men are not. But somehow I am wrong and you are right. Does that make sense to you? It's the same problem, so what is the problem?

[wtf22]

"You know what societal norm needs challenging? That “women’s work” isn’t real work. Childcare, cooking, cleaning, nursing, emotional labour, all work. But that’s not valued because god forbid a man wash a fucking dish."

You are right, that should be challenged. Along with all of the things I stated in my original post. Again I ask you what is the problem with men having issues like this of their own?

[wtf22]

Does your silence mean you finally agree with me? :)

[Astoriana]

No, it means that I have a life.

[wtf22]

Lol. Ok then. Its obvious you would never consider how men feel in this world. Your only concern is with women and yourself. That's really sad. Good luck with that.

I personally wish that we could all contribute equally to a shared life, but you don't want that. You just want a man to do everything you say and never complain. Good luck with that

[BellePepper]

OP you want to whinge about how hard men have it but you're not thinking about how the things you want affect women. Then when we tell you we're suddenly the selfish ones.

So explain to us how it's fair that women take on all these addition responsibilities and skills when men still can't help us with THEIR OWN CHILDREN or around THEIR OWN HOMES.

[wtf22]

@BellePepper The answer is very simple everyone shares these responsibilities. Men and women both take care of THEIR children, men and women do physical/dirty work, men and women ask each other out and pay for their own meals. Where did I say that it was a woman's job to watch children? That was that other woman talking about her friends husband. And just because I didn't mention how hard it was to be a woman doesn't mean I was saying it's not hard.

And to me thinking about how it affects women. Yes, I have thought about it a lot. If you read my original comment the only things I was asking for was basically for women to take the initiative sometimes in the dating world, and maybe spend some of their hard earned money instead of always us. Have YOU ever cared how this effected men?

All I'm saying is If men should give up their power, why shouldn’t women? Why shouldn’t we just share power.

[wtf22]

@BellePepper What I was saying is that if you want men to pitch in and help with things that they have traditionally not done. They why is it so absurd that men would want the same from women? Is that really a controversial opinion?

[dwiller943]

Because if we show any bit of weakness, it draws abusive men towards us.