What are your thoughts on pure tomboys/tomboys WITHOUT a girly side?

[TomGarand]

The reason why I'm asking this is because of both my past and a friend of mine. A few years ago, I met this girl who was REALLY close to that. She loved horror movies, video games--especially violent ones--, got into fights, liked metal/rock music like Disturbed and Breaking Benjamin, knew a little bit about guns, and loved playing Call of Duty like I did. She and I basically had all of the same interests. What I loved about her was that she was more like a guy than a girl.

As for my other friend, he's a Yu-Gi-Oh player and a martial artist who met his wife in high school. He says he likes more tomboyish/masculine girls because they are more relatable. And due to my own experiences, I agree with him. While his wife is a lot more girly now, she can still be boyish and aggressive. But at first, she didn't have a feminine bone in her body, which is why she and he got along so well.

However, a lot of men here prefer either girly girls or women who are in between. Not all of them, but many. So to you, the reader, what are your thoughts on PURE tomboys or total tomboys? Tomboys who are 100% masculine? Women, are you one, or do you know any women like this?

(And NO, I am NOT talking about butches, studs, or androgynous women. Just tomboys who act like guys all the time/don't have a girly side.)

[Newhead]

I see Tomboys with no girly side as butches by the way, even if they are not androgynous. I don't see how you can be a Tomboy with no girly side and be other wise. I am a Tomboy with a girly side who only got girlier as I aged. I was only a Tomboy because I had no one to play with but boys growing up, I am also into being very active so taking part in boyish games was fun for me.

Then I would go into playing house and forcing them to play with me, I had dolls and wore dresses that I thought were pretty, loved makeup and bossing everyone around like a real wife, or they would get kicked out of my house and I'd take all my toys away. I had cool toys by the way, even though we were poor, they were gifts from other people.

I turned teen and even while wearing boy clothes, I wore nail polish, perfume, makeup and my hair well done. That is because I was still feminine. I turned adult and now I want to just be me even if I had a laid back Tomboy side, I dress more like a woman. If there is no feminine bone in her body she is a straight up butch bruh. Girls like pretty things, soft things and things that smell good, I'm also no punk so don't think I am stupid. I just know girls and boys are not alike, unless there is some hormone things going on there, I think she is a butch, no offense.

[JustACuriousLady]

You are gendering genderless things to make masculinity or femininity a zero sum system and it isn't. It's a spectrum.

[Tentia]

He's talking about people who are on one extreme of the spectrum.

[kespethdude]

@Tentia No one is at either extreme end of the spectrum.

[kespethdude]

Except maybe Chuck Norris... but he's a washed up has been that no one gives a fuck about so... yeah.

[ShadezMcgee]

I don't have a problem with them, honestly. Some women I went to college with are tomboys, one in particular loves fishing and makes countless posts about it on Facebook. Cute face, okay body, but I viewed her as a friend more than anything.

For me, I love the in between. My girlfriend is feminine, but loves tomboy activities like shooting, violent games, going to the gym, sports, etc. But she knows when to dress and act like a woman because she knows that's what I like. I like the half and half balance, more than 100% of one side.

[TomGarand]

And she lets you take the lead, based on what I know about you personally.

[ShadezMcgee]

Yup, she does. It allows her to be in her feminine which I know she enjoys. She has to be in her masculine as her job in law enforcement requires it.

[TomGarand]

*Sighs* Lucky you. And lucky my friend. I would be lying if I said I didn't envy him.

[TomGarand]

Look, my dude. I know we're two different people, with two different desires. But I really... I really do want a relationship like the one my friend (and more or less you) have. But I don't know what traits to have to attract women like that, who are in their masculine.

All I got is being a Sub, but I don't know what I have to bring to the table.

[ShadezMcgee]

Bud, I have explained this to you before. Take a look at Coach Corey Wayne. He is not MGTOW or Red Pill. I learned from his teachings and trial and error after reading his book, implementing his teachings which I still reference and read. He gives solid advice as to how you need to act as aman to attract women regardless if they are feminine or masculine in the long run. I have him to thank for the woman I have as my girlfriend.

I will say that acting like a man and making decisions and leading the relationship is what you need to do. You being a sub and not wanting to lead makes it hard in the long run. While I am not saying you need to be someone opposite of who you are now, you need to learn masculine and feminine roles and energy and the balance you need to find the desired end state you are looking for when it comes to the woman you want as your significant other that you can have fun with. Fuck with. Grow with. As well as be yourself and happy with.

[TomGarand]

Well, what about my friend? He and his wife have equal power in their relationship. Neither of them wear the pants And again, she's more feminine than she used to be. And I already told you about my friend's sister and how she sees me, although she is feminine.

I'm sorry that I sound so repetitive and skeptical. It's just that I don't see every functional male/female relationship playing out traditionally, with the man being the leader. Hell, one of my followers here has a happy marriage with a tomboy who's dominant.

[ShadezMcgee]

I am just telling you what I believe and my experiences with women that I have dated, fucked and spent time with and now have in my life. If your buddy and his girl have equal power, then they obviously balance each other out enough, but he has just enough masculinity that she is attracted to him and loves him. Women that love you will not leave you alone. Their levels of attraction fluctuate depending on their mood and feelings towards your actions and how you carry yourself. My girlfriend for example texts me first every day, tells me she misses me, can't wait to see me and can't wait to fuck me when she stays the night. She lets me know when she is home safe and when she gets to work because we she knows I am protective of her all the while giving her independence to handle herself at the end of the day when necessary.

Now if your friend's sister sees you as cute, what has stopped you from asking her on a date? She would probably be surprised and feel more attracted to you if you had the balls to ask her regardless if she says yes or not. Even more so if she denies you and you play it off as cool and leave the door open for her to try later if she wants to try going out with you..

I am not discrediting you are telling you that you are wrong for your beliefs. You have yours and I have mine and your follower has his relationship. Everyone has their own experience and I am just telling you mine and what has worked for me through what I have learned. Infollow Coach Wayne's advice because it has a proven track record and has worked for me.

[TomGarand]

We only talk through him. He has a Discord, she doesn't. And lately, he's been dealing with moving and working. His family had to get out of a rough neighborhood.

[ShadezMcgee]

Why talk through her brother as opposed to talking to her directly? Most men that want a woman or want to see what she is a about will talk to her directly. What is stopping you?

[TomGarand]

I told you. We (his bro and I only speak through Discord. And DeviantArt. She does not have her own account. Next time I hear from him, I most certainly WILL be asking about her.

[ShadezMcgee]

All right, calm down. I feel there is a disconnect on where I think you know this guy and his sister and where you truly do.

Do you actually know them personally and met them before or have been a presence in your life growing up? Or is everything about this brother and his sister just known through online connection?

I have been answering these responses and questions based on the former that you knew them since you were kids or something like that. In which my response and question is, if that were the case wouldn't you have your boy's number to call him up and ask for his sister's number or know her enough to go up to her personally and ask her out. That is why I said what I said.

[ShadezMcgee]

Going off of what you said through online, this still just makes me question this, and try not to take this criticism negatively.

You only know about this woman through her brother and talk to her through him via Discord and DeviantArt. In past questions you have said she finds you cute, right? That is an indicator of interest, so the question is this. If you talk to her through her brother, why not just ask for her number and get her social media or something like that and then just build rapport with a few texts and ask her out? Again, this is me just answering based on what you have told me and why I would personally do. What is truly stopping you from that is my question? This is not an attack, but one stemmed from curiosity from the information available to me. As a man, I go for what I want and if I wanted to date a girl or was interested in, I would fucking go for it. Worst thing to happen is she could say no and I will just have to try with a different girl that catches my eye.

[TomGarand]

Well, we only know each other online.

[DrunkAss]

Sounds like a really fun girl -- got a spectrum there. I really liked those when I still felt like I could tap into something girly at the end of the day: something that goes beyond fashion and interests. It's hard to describe but a sort of energy, maybe, like responding to your touch a certain way that makes it clear she's not a "bro". Usually, they have that in my experience when you get them home and intimate.

[TomGarand]

Meaning that they let you lead in the bedroom?

[DrunkAss]

Personally, I never felt that comfortable with that. Sometimes I get judgmental about guys who let girls lead them in contexts like this. But to be honest I am just not comfortable. All I've learned in my life is to take the lead, charm girls that way. It's like I know how to impress women driving in the metaphorical driver's seat than passenger's if you get what I mean. I think I'm a control freak. I love strong women but only the ones who sympathize with why I wanna make the executive decision -- even when they are involved -- not the types who will compete with me over this but will empathize with why I need to do this.

Unless she is Klingon. :-D I have been binging on Star Trek over this COVID stuff. All restaurants, including bars and clubs, in my area have been closing at 8PM. So I've gone super nerd watching Star Trek episodes. And I love Klingon women like Grilka:
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She is not fragile like human woman. You can punch her and she can punch you. She is truly strong -- not "strong woman", but "strong person". So I have little bit of a crush on her. It is like a wife you can punch and she will punch you back just as strong. I would enjoy this type of competition. It seems fair. But human woman is too weak physically, and too manipulative emotionally, for a fair competition.

[kespethdude]

If you are talking 0% feminine, there is no such thing. Even the more toyboyish female has a fraction of a percent of femininity. So this question can't be answered.

[Smoke-n-Growls]

I will almost always prefer a mix because I'm a mix myself, but I err on the side of pure tomboy. I'd rather deal with a "bro" than a "Karen".

[TomGarand]

Well, that's honestly my favorite kind of tomboy. My ex wasn't 100%, more like 85-90%. When we first met, she was almost exactly like me. Is that... wrong that I like mixes less than pure tomboys?

[extremelybored]

As a friend: would rather hangout with the boysAs a girlfriend: would rather date a woman that acts like a woman.

[Altalize]

I had a friend that is tomboy and talks like one, her and I had a thing and still to this day we could take it to another level. I honestly think they are attractive and I agree, they are relatable. Defiantly give it a shot!

[TomGarand]

But did she have a girly side?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Not a fan to date. As friends... I tend to bump heads with them a lot.

[micheal727jovanie]

They make badass friends.

[TomGarand]

My friend and I would agree with you so much.

[micheal727jovanie]

@TomGarand real talk bro!

[ItsTheNephilim]

Not my taste for dating.

[pigoat]

I still fucks with them

[Gedaria]

Ok if that is what they like good on them..

[Clarke498]

Nah, I'd need some femininity.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Nasty.