+1 yLike you said its a bit of regret over squandering their 20's. They feel like its a time to get serious. Possibly watching the clock and wondering why they haven't gotten farther up the wish list of life. For me it was a feeling that I was confident of my abilities on how to handle life. I wasn't winging it and bluffing my way through life. Many people are way too serious at this point in their lives.. You can look forward to your 40's when you realize it doesn't matter and you can enjoy what you want too
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yThey mistakenly assumed that men were doing the same things and that men and women valued the same things. So come middle-age, they confused about why they like guys but guys don't like them as much.
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Opinion Owner+1 yHue hue, she got jokes. Ba doom tsh.
Seriously though, I meant as a generality. The statistical distribution doesn't match. The number of women in that circumstance is lopsided -- and when coupled with men's preferences, those things in combination increase the probability of rejection.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yA lot of it has to do with being spoiled by people (in this case of dating, men).
Social media apps and inflated attention also delides them and their ego.
The whole feminism/propaganda doesn't help either.
Influence from other bad influences or women makes things worse too.
They can expect unicorns to mow their lawns but it's not happening. Same applies here and the man has the choice.
In a perfect world, they should have been settled down a long time ago. With how a woman's body is, they have less time to have kids. So when they reach late 20's/30's, they eventually become desperate as reality slowly sinks in.
It's disrespectful on many accounts when you think deeply as to why and what usually occurs. That alone is a losing ground.
The attitude/entitlement alone will turn men off. Then there's the baggage and everything else. The more I think about it, the more turned off and annoying it is.
If you treat a group of people badly when you are at your best/top/prime all your life, what makes you think you'll be treated nicely when you descend to the bottom? And why should the group of people who were at the bottom give you a chance now that they are on top and you descending to the bottom?
And no, don't give a manipulative answer. Sure, doing the right thing in spite of being wronged is good but that doesn't mean allowing disrespect or manipulation.
By the way, the above doesn't just apply to dating but many areas such as finance, politics, etc.
There's a lot more to this conversation.
I'll tell you this though, I really do feel bad for the small and few genuine women who have done the right thing, never dated, waited their whole lives or became widows who lost their husbands after being with him for a long time (years).
Then again, finding a virtuous woman is like a needle in a haystack.
You are blessed if you are one or have one.
The category of women above get caught up in this mess and the bad apples ruin it for everyone else. And unfortunately, some get influenced and change for the worse.
I'm glad the internet is here, exposing and sharing knowledge with others (although some is good and bad).00 Reply
+1 yGirls in her late teens are always compared to fresh, budding flowers - quickly snatched away without much consideration for the slightly inflated price.
Girls in her 20 are like blossomed flowers - a little bargain is made, usually sold at discounted prices.
Girls from 30 are... sorry Girls if you're in this category... withered flowers - never harvested for the beauty, except perhaps the overall plant to dry off for herbal value.
Hence in my opinion, girls in her 30s know their "market value" vs their "herbal value". She can no longer allow men to take his time to savor her. He can only do so after he "pays" for her in marriage.224 Reply- +1 y
Women aren't flowers we are human beings. This comparison is very dehumanizing. People should not be valued on their attractiveness but rather their ability to produce capital for the state. We are all slaves to the system don't be fooled by it!!! Now let us bow down to our capitalist overlords 🙌
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@gabzz001 its a sad but true nature of society.
Beauty not only wins women her man, many climb the social ladder with it too.
Likewise, men are neglected for his softer values like kindness and compassion, rejected over guys who drive bigger cars with more cash to spend.
Regrets, but real. A hard truth to disgest indeed. - +1 y
@gabzz001 i sure believe someone will find you beautiful, for who you are.
And yes, thanks. I truly believe in being kind and unselfish. And girls can feel that.
And no, i don't meant to judge. What i wrote was what i believe as taboo standards drilled into societies for millenniums. How good if these thousand-year-old standards and many more could be rooted out.
But regrettably i don't see it happening in the next 20 years. This question is a good example. - +1 y
@gabzz001 glad i cleared up. And sorry to step on your feet just now 🤣🤣🤣
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I think this is very one sided. To say women are no longer attractive in their 30 is preposterous.
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@Whitemeatchicken its a very different type of beauty.
In general we have to agree, compared with an 18yo even 24yo, a 35yo has lost her youthful lustre.
But that doesn’t mean men dislike a mature looking face. And definitely she has acquired other beauty like having a career, more stable in life and thoughts, etc.
My point is, in the context of the question, she may feel insecure as less men approach her compared to a decade ago. Hence she hurried to get a man and settle down much more easily and quickly than say a 24yo. - +1 y
Don’t know. I’ve seen women in their 30s who look better than some women in their 20s. 35 is still pretty young, too. Sure they don’t look like teenagers. However, they don’t look like they should be in an old folks home. They look like women. I have noticed that men who like younger women usually connect and have strong relationships with women anywhere from 5-15 young than they are. So a 45 year old man could get a raging semi looking at a 35 year old.
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Lol so you still try chasing after teenage girls? Okay creepy pedofile
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@Whitemeatchicken beauty is not equivalent to youth. Id never date a 30 something even if she was the hottest girl on the planet because i would like 4 kids and i dont want to rush. Ie 2 years dating 2 years married. 7 years of making a baby taking a year off. She would be about 42 years old when she pops out the last child assuming she was age 30 when i met her. That is not a good age to be planning to have kids. And not all women are still functionally fertile into their 40s.
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@gabzz001 women also live a lot longer than flowers. Therefore our lifespan cannot be compared.
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Good thing I'm a person and not a product for sale! Lately the most desirable men only want to date older women and it sucks. Harry styles is only a year older than me but he'd see me as too young for him because all his recent girlfriends have been in their 30's, Olivia Wilde is 10 years older than him. Then the supermodel Jordan Barrett is 24 but he also only wants women in their 30's if not older. Successful men now want successful women who are established in their careers. I do find older women attractive too though so I can't really be mad about it.
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Most men dont like older women or care about their careers. So maybe your trying to copy the weirdos in hollywood, normal men aren't like that. For good or for bad.
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@bamesjond0069 I didn't know you were most men
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@gabzz001 i didn't know you were a man. 😂
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@bamesjond0069 you disgust me
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@gabzz001 well good. Thats what i was shooting for. If i disgust girls like you that means im hella attractive to girls not like you. Winning.
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@bamesjond0069 you will never be loved
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@bamesjond0069 if you're so hot why don't you show your face
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@gabzz001 I’ll tell you a little something about bamesjond- I betcha he’s full of crap about himself. He’s likely an angry troll.
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@gabzz001 because why would i? Im not on here trying to date or anything. Although multiple girls have given me their number and asked me to call them.
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Yeah right 😂 @bamesjond0069
+1 yCan't say I'm familiar with this, but I'll go hypothetical here:
Probably because most men are already in serious relationships by their 30s.
Most... Not all.
Those who aren't in a committed relationship by their 30s probably don't want to be in one, period. So those who say they should settle down are barking up the wrong tree and wasting their breath.
Besides, trashing out a guy like this is a sure fire way of not making them want to be with you, so it's a bit self defeating.
Regardless, it works both ways in gender. Women also get pressure to settle down, but often it's much earlier in life than what most guys deal with.05 Reply- +1 y
Committed relationship don’t always worn though. Some guys also don’t feel experienced enough in life to have a family until they are in their 40s even 50s.
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@Whitemeatchicken I wasn't speaking in absolutes. As I said at the start, I don't recall hearing women say the above. I was just speaking hypothetical and listing some possibilities.
There's many other possible reasons why a guy in their 30s hasn't settled down, but I'd be here a while listing them.
"Probably" "Most not all" - there's always exceptions, just as not all women say or expect the above in the question (if they do at all)
+1 yI personally don't expect men to settle down unless they want to. There isn't anything wrong with not wanting to settle down or have a serious relationship, regardless of one's age.
But everyone holds different opinions on certain topics, including this one. Having been married & divorced, I just say live your best life & take it one day at a time.10 Reply
+1 yThat's bullshit. Just more internet myth. Most women are single at 30 because they went to college and chose a career, not because they partied their 20s away. There are also those who got divorced because they married too young... but according to your ignorance, sounds like you think girls should marry at 21, then stay with that guy until death.
And what do guys do in their 20s? Party like a bunch of frat boys, but you don't seem to have a problem with that522 Reply- +1 y
I agree accountability is key for everyone. Everything is so hateful and one sided anymore.
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@Whitemeatchicken especially people on this site
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Women are the gatekeepers to sex. Men are the gate keepers to relationships and marriage. Unfortunately for women, in this area, they must figure out how to get a man to decide to commit. Its not our job to just go buy a hella expensive ring and then forsake all other women at the drop of a hat because some woman says so. Smh. Nor is it mens fault women don't make their sexuality special anymore and just give it up to everyone.
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@bamesjond0069 well who said we don’t get into committed relationships though? Who said everybody wants to get married even?
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@Whitemeatchicken well if ya dont want to get married or be in a committed relationship OR if you can do it so easily then this whole question doesn't even apply. But obviously many women have a hard time with this because the question exists and it is a pretty common thing.
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@bamesjond0069 I will say I’m engaged. Also based on your red pill though process, I am not good enough to marry anymore just because I was assaulted by my last boyfriend. Despite who I am as a person, to the red pill it is my fault. If it isn’t my fault then I’m a liar. Oh btw- I was assaulted because I wanted to wait for sex. See groups such as mgtow and red pill have so many contradictions, no matter what, a woman cannot win. It isn’t right and most people are beginning to see through it.
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@Whitemeatchicken if you were raped its not your fault unless you did something to cause such rape? I dont think its fair to put words in my mouth.
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@bamesjond0069 well unfortunately, that is a belief of the red pill. According g to red pills it is my fault automatically. I don’t think for a moment it was my fault though. What could I have done to deserve that? What I did was told him I’d like to wait for see until I get to know him. But again, according to red pill logic, it is still my fault. I know what you guys say because I’ve gone to your discussion boards. Even the big wig red pills have these ideas. You can’t decide to pick and choose when you yourself have generalized. PUA is a branch of MGTOW therefore it is a branch of red pill. You’ve chosen to follow their logic. You get what you give.
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@Whitemeatchicken I don't know anything about pua or red pill community. Im just a man with common sense.
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@bamesjond0069 I highly doubt what you say because you use the same language as them. Unless you’re involved with them, people don’t use that language. It is very unfortunate that I’d deserve to be raped, too. Most rapists will give excuses to rationalize their behavior. Remember this though- they are the rapist and should not be trusted. According to your logic (red pill) no matter what the reasoning is it is the woman’s fault. It just isn’t right. By your logic as soon as I become a mother to wonderful little children I am no longer of value either. I’ve challenged people from both sides red pill and new wave feminists and called them both out on their behavior.
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@bamesjond0069 wait a minute. I’m need to this site but I have looked through some discussions and yes you have identified as PUA. Remember- there is a special place in hell for people who lack mercy, understanding and who specialize in demonizing the masses. I believe in God and I believe in Jesus.
I know Jesus would not agree with your theories and would likely destroy your temple. Anything not made of love is a waste of humanity. - +1 y
@Whitemeatchicken lol i never identified as pua. Wtf. I can pick up girls but i dont like read books or talk to PUA trolls online lol. I just say hi really to girls i meet.
And girls who have kids are not useless. But try having some empathy and awareness for what other people experience. A man who wants a good wife and to have kids a woman with kids is bottom of the barrel TO HIM. A mother w kids is HIGH value to the man whose kids they are. Thats why id recommend you have kids with a husband and not a random man. - +1 y
@bamesjond0069 I think that depends on if if they want more children. Again you are talking like a red pill PUA. Just because I have children does not mean I am bottom of the barrel either. I’d say people who lie, cheat, steal and do what you have done are bottom of the barrel. It appears you’ve been called out before by members as your story about yourself seems to change.
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@bamesjond0069 also why do you attract loose low moral people? I think maybe you need to look at your own choices.
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@bamesjond0069 I don’t believe I am the one who needs empathy. Again look at yourself. It’s the fault of mankind to point the finger.
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@Whitemeatchicken well if they dont want more children do they want to inherit yours either? Smh.
How have i lied cheated and stolen anything. Lmfao. - +1 y
@bamesjond0069 you brag about cheating often based on comments I’ve read from you. You also attract cheap women then blame then degrade them to make yourself feel better. Not all men can have children but want them badly. Children are a blessing and it’s a disgrace to call them baggage. They are human beings. Please read what I said. I said if they do want children. See now you’re backpedaling. So at first you said women and children are only valuable to those they belong to (another word you guys like). Now you’re saying children aren’t valuable and women aren’t valuable based on what a man who doesn’t want children says. Yes you lie constantly on here. You likely cheat considering how loose you are. Again look at yourself before pointing the finger at others.
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@Whitemeatchicken are you not capable of looking at it from someone elses perspective? Damn girl.
If i dont want kids it means i dont want to raise yours. If i do want kids it means i want to raise mine. A woman with kids is low on the totem pole to essentially all men because its better for all men under every circumstance if the woman didn't have kids. Short of a man with an extremem cuckold fetish no man WANTS that situation. And men that are kinda losers or defective in some way will accept it. Men who have options dont choose single moms over women without kids. Common sense. - +1 y
Sorry James. You have been blocked. The world has enough hate. It’s cute to see how many men are denying they are affiliated with MgToW and Red Pill now that it’s on its way out. Yet anyone with a brain can tell they are still followers of it based on language used. Word of advice- don’t talk about how worthless women with children are or how worthless children are when you can’t keep a long term relationship. PUA
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@Whitemeatchicken its Bames. And I don't know what you're talking about. You seem to know a lot more about mgtow than me. I just dont like dealing with another dudes kids. Simple.
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@bamesjond0069 sure okay...
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@bamesjond0069 I think we should all just kill each other instead
They expect men to conform to their schedule, and they don’t care about what men want. Any man who doesn’t do as they want them to they’ll shame. Almost all types of shaming from women toward men is about that.
50 ReplyWomen want to settle down in their 30s cuz they need to start having kids. Past 40 they can't really give birth safely
40 ReplyIts the mid point of their lives but i know some women in their 30s who still didn't find that guy and she didn't party or anything in her 20s so its not just that..
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It’s more of a midpoint for a guy. Women live longer than men.
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doesn't matter what you do. 30s women are not attractive to men who want kids. Period end of story. There is no exceptions.
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@bamesjond0069 Lmao my mom had me at 37 and people often treated her like shit because they assumed she was a teen mom. She regretted all the SPF she wore in her 20's that's for sure!
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@bamesjond0069 i guess thats your view and thats okay. My mom had me at 39 and my dad was very much attracted to her and they been married almost 25 years but i think your pointing out "some men" because not every single one would mind but I'm hoping i find a guy at least in my 20s so i can grow older with him and have kids together but its all in the right time for each of us.
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@Minxxie im sorry that happened to your mom. I wear sunscreen all the time lol people think i look the same as i did at 16 or 18 but having children is something we can't completely control if we dont find the right man right away. It's all when the time is right for us and its meant to happen. Sure i hope to have a baby by 30 but if i dont then I'll explore my options and hopefully have that special guy im in a relationship with and we'll start a family. I can't stand when people put so much pressure on us young women. Im 22 years old but it worries me already but geez we need time for ourselves too here and to establish a good career and stuff
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Its not some its most. Ofc some like women in their 30s but plenty of women in their 30s are upset because they could get any man and now they find dating difficult. The reason this is a whole topic of conversation is many many people are experiencing this.
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@bamesjond0069 im 22 and feel like this at my age.. maybe its also the pandemic? The dating styles have changed too so we have to look at all the facts behind. More people are meeting on dating apps or online and not the way it used to be where a man and woman would meet a club, a park, a store, etc. I think its also some people dont wanna make the effort and im not gonna throw this all on men because in reality its men and women. Its people in general. They feel like with this new dating style if it doesn't work with one person, they can easily swipe to the next and its sad its come down to this but women in their 30s happen to be in that place and probably really sucks because they wanna settle down but im sure a lot of people are experiencing this even older men.
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I mean i agree dating apps are not very good. But thats not going to change anything. The only thing you're going to see is continuing decline in the marriage rate and continual decline in population growth. I mean thats basically it. It doesn't matter who is at fault and for what reason. Men dont as a whole marry unmarriagable women nor do they have kids or many kids (or on purpose) with older women. It might make sense to you but you aren't a man, it doesn't as a general rule make sense to us. So the blame is irrelevant. And as a whole again men aren't too upset to not have kids nor to get married. Its women who are a great deal more upset about that than men. That really puts the ball in their court to fix things their fault or not.
I am in my 20's and if any successful woman in her 30's wants to settle down with me I'm down. As long as you promise to love my two cats and we can get a big dog.
Bonus points if you like hiking!10 Reply582 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. People can settle down whenever they want. The problem with those ladies isn’t likely all about their age. It’s that they don’t know how to filter for relationship minded men.
00 ReplyI didn't know women in their 30s owned all the guys in the world to expect something out of them🤔
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Lmao quite a few of them think they do.
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@bamesjond0069 Just because some think that way, doesn't mean any guys have to do it
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Oh ofc. Its just crazy they think they do. Wtf.
Just be clear with them as to what your intentions are. If you don't want to settle down, you owe it to your relationship to make that clear.
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+1 yIt's the same the other way around too
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I know! Aren’t you tired of these hateful people with agendas. I’m not sure how you feel about having babies in your 30s. But guys who are like this one they say there’s up to a 70% higher risk of having a child with disabilities with women in their 30s. Nothing could be further than the truth. Turns out it’s less than 1% higher. I think it’s awful and it shows a lot of fear that they are willing to target us. There’s women who do it to men too. I don’t like it.
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@Whitemeatchicken agreed!
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yBeing a man in my 30s I’ve found that some of the worst dates I’ve been on in my entire life were with women close to my age. Women in their early to mid 20s were ironically more respectful than some of the bs I’ve seen.
00 Reply996 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic. Because women are stupid. Just that. Short term thinkers who feel entitled to a man's commitment once their looks have faded away.
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+1 yNot most I know , the singles are all single by choice. I'm glad I have zero interest in the BS & nonsense known as " dating " .
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+1 yI never saw that at all.
They want to settle down, but they don't tell men to shut up and just do it.00 Reply- 635 opinions shared on Girl's Behavior topic.
+1 yReally? My studies have shown that girls and women only get horny during the winter. Jesus was born in the winter.
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@Dinosaursandanime65 So the normal pregnancy term is 9 months, and if you believe the Dogma, Jesus was born in December, which means she got pregnant in SPRING, not Winter.
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@JackSmy that and Dec 25th is merely selected for the holiday and wasn't actually his birthday. Additionally, since he was born in the Middle East, I doubt there was much snow or cold.
I'm also pretty sure he wasn't a white dude. - +1 y
@LesterJester Yes, Good Sir, I know these things, and so much more, having researched and explored the 'mythology' and beliefs of Christianity, and many other cultures.
My answer was to the Child, and his false presumption, false hypothesis, based on whatever?
by the way, I never said anything about assuming Jesus, IF HE EXISTED, was white, but thanks for adding the racist comment. . . - +1 y
@LesterJester Soo... I’m... wrong? nah, you’re probably just paranoid from getting your ass slapped by the crazy Australian guy. I’ll catch you later ya noobs
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+1 yBecause they are dumb and think they can make men do what they want.
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+1 yI mean they are really too old to be trying to tell us what to do.
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@gabzz001 Yea and I look 29 so I don't deal with broads who are 30 and up.
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Lol bullshit, you don't look 29 and you have problems getting laid or you wouldn't be on this site
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True 😂 @Broken_doll
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@Broken_doll hehehehehe
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Ladies this guy is a classic case of a red pill mgtow follower. He could be classified as a red pill or possibly a PUA (Pick up artist) which is a branch of mgtow. Most of them are guys who like to talk a big talk online but in actuality they are just trolls in a cave. Tbh- most girls like men within 5-10 years older than they are. So most girls my age think this guy is a creeper haha. I have seen his type at the bar by my place picking up barely legal girls with issues. Most people laugh at these guys and they always end up alone.
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@Whitemeatchicken yeah and a couple of those pick up artist guys who attended meetings are in prison for gang raping a woman. Red pill is pro hate
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@Whitemeatchicken it's also sad to see guys his age at bars with their leathery skin and crows feet trying to compete with a 25 year old stud
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@Broken_doll I know. I get so disappointed with men sometimes. Not all men. My fiancé would paralyze a guy if he laid a hand on me or likely any other woman for that matter. As of life isn’t hard enough, we have people who intentionally try to make our lives harder and scare us into having low self esteem. My goodness- guys like this one cheered for Epstein, Lauer, Kavanaugh, Cosby and Weinstein. Their hate is unforgivable and they will be judged accordingly. Karma
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@Broken_doll lol. Well eventually who you are inside starts to show on the outside.
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@Whitemeatchicken well this site is a hot bed for rapists, bigots and pedofiles because they get banned from every other site
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@Whitemeatchicken and too bad your fiance was not around when a guy beat me up. No one was. Men are violent. That's why I hate those male rights sites. They cheer on rapists and wife beaters because they hate women so much
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@Broken_doll I know it’s just horrible. I’m very sorry nobody helped you though.
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@Broken_doll as they should. If not, our comments shouldn’t be able to be taken down when we call them out on it.
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@Whitemeatchicken that's another reason @mijopapii215 should stick to girls his own age. he's sleeping rn and can't keep up
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@Broken_doll may be a lot of truth to that statement.
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@Broken_doll By your logic everyone on this site can't get laid then. Who the fuck gets on here to try and get laid? Nobody lives near anybody else in most cases this site is to kill time during a stupid lockdown.
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@Whitemeatchicken I ain't no MGTOW you moron.
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@Broken_doll So you are a man hater then? Just as I thought.
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@Broken_doll Don't be mad that you are old and used up. Yea I do look 29 why would I lie about that? It is not like looking 29 is this thing someone is gonna lie about. I have a young looking face. Nobody wants a 39 yr old like you with roast beef down there and insulting me is not gonna change that.
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LMFAO older women are usually way hotter than older men. I'm in my 20's and I work at an expensive restaurant on the weekends. There isn't enough money in the world to convince me to give any of those older men a chance. There have been a few older women though who bought me a few glasses of wine after my shift, who were stylish and charming and fit and I can't say I never considered it.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 ybecause when they were in their 20s men gave them whatever they demanded so to them this is just how things work between men and women.
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I work very hard and don’t get everything handed to me. I work with a lot of women who have the same story as me too. I think maybe you should stop assuming all women are that way.
Opinion Owner+1 y@Whitemeatchicken so why do you think women in their 30s blame men for their failures in their relationships? Why don't they ever blame themselves?
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Probably the same reason men like that blame women for theirs. That’s just the way some people are. Since you’ve generalized everyone based on age and gender my aunt is in her 40s. She has a long term boyfriend they just got engaged. So obviously, if you’re a decent person, you can find love at any age. I’ve also do not believe that just because a woman is in her 30s that she blames men for everything. That is pure MGTOW Red Pill agenda. I stink angry feminists and stop men like you who generalize just like them.
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Stomp***
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Oh my god do yoh have any idea how much people finger point? That isn’t just women!! I’ve seen both genders do a lot of finger pointing in hopes of trying to avoid accountability.
Opinion Owner+1 y@Whitemeatchicken come on women do not hold themselves accountable and no one expects them to. If women were held accountable for their actions Harvey Weinstein would be free now.
Modern women forget that they have nothing to offer but sex.
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@gabzz001 he hits women...
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@gabzz001 I’m serious he did a poll or my take on here about it. He thinks it’s okay to hit women. Okay I’ll leave you be. Night night!
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@gabzz001 I’d say.
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And still, none of them will have sex with you
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@Broken_doll why so serious 😂
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You said it not me. I’m not okay wi thy people who think it’s okay to beat on others. Especially true for someone you’re supposed to trust and love.
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Sorry no back peddling. You don’t hit them for kink. You hit them to hurt them.
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That isn’t for me to decide. Some people call it karma. Some people call it judgement day. One way or another, you will have to answer to how you’ve treated people in life.
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No I’m very wise. I’m not the one who likes to best loved ones up.
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+1 yWho says all women want to settle down?
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+1 yand give up your wallet!
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Why do so many women wait until they've hit the wall and past there prime at 30+ to try and settle down with a good man?
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