Is an incel a person who can’t get a pretty woman or a woman they want?

[HowardB]

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+1 y

I’m asking because I think I’m capable of attracting a beautiful woman but I can’t get her and keep her. I’ve attracted some and had some approach but I just don’t have the swag, people skills and personality. I fear I’m gonna be like this for the rest of my life

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+1 y

I also struggle approaching women

[razelove]

Incel as in involuntary celibate. They can't get any woman, whether because they have stupidly high standards, like the guy is a 3 and "deserves" a 9, or is such a shut in that they've made it statistically improbable that they will get laid in their lifetime.

Lower your bar, just start from anywhere at the ripe age of 32, and then work your way up when you get used to what women expect and want if you feel that's what you can do, or even want to.

Your outlook before you have something, and after you do are obviously different things. Also generally the first love for most guys is pretty young, also a horrible crash and burn.

[HowardB]

I’ve had a few relationships but the ones I really wanted lasted like a few days because I don’t have it

[HowardB]

Honestly only one relationship that lasted some time

[razelove]

Ok, so ONS and NSA aren't relationships, also having sex and wanting a relationship have already pulled you out of the abyss of inceldom, incelhood? Unless you go time while putting out effort and keep failing to get in the door there.
Everyone struggles approaching women, even women. You just keep trying until you stick the landing. Then you keep trying there until you find someone you want to stay with.

[HowardB]

Maybe incel isn’t the proper word because I don’t want to hurt or take it out on anymore. Proper term is “ loser” I know I was a loser at “18” I used to have all kinds of women chase me but I didn’t know how to talk to them

[razelove]

It'll happen, it took me until I started modelling to realize I had looks, before that I thought all guys had girls in high school just kind of land on their dick and then wind up in marriage at some point. Then after I got divorced I learned how to talk to women because it got me laid with less effort, and was better then approaching over 100 women in a weekend to say "wanna fuck?"
Life is about learning, growing, living, and making babies.

[HowardB]

Think a night club is a good place to be at for meeting women for shy guys?

[razelove]

Not really, try church or a hobby. Like specifically to meet people and get out more. If you're looking for tail, rather than a connection, just get a hooker.

[HowardB]

Where would you be at to approach 100 women on a day?

[razelove]

You pick a city with a college and go there on a Friday or Saturday night. Friday is better, hit up all the bars around campus, 100 is easy, if you push it to Friday and Saturday while drawing up a circuit for a couple cities you can easily make it to 300-400 every 2 weeks.