Do girls really like guys or do they like the fact that somebody likes them?

[chris_987]

Okay hear me out if you think about it. A guy has to talk to a girl and rizz, basically bring her anxiety about the guy down to zero so that he can have sex with her. But on the flip side that means that all girls feel neutral about a guy. Even the guy that hasn't talked to her yet.

So by that logic, girls really don't have any desire to be with a guy before he talks to her.

And if you ladies really think about it, every guy that you liked it's because he convinced you to like him.

[_piotr]

Yes, you are correct. Women are with men for money, profits, security, etc... I spent a lot of time thinking about this and came to similar conclusion. I think that male body is repulsive to women and thus men need to work hard to minimise this effect, by for example using his personality, which is something she might care to some extent.

[Tstrbrainer]

Back in school when one of my friends asked a girl out, she agreed quickly as no one have ever shown interest in her.
Few months later she ditched him for another guy.

[Anonymous]

It’s comical to see how much men these days have turned extremely feminine. Seems like a question a woman would ask.

[chris_987]

Logic is the opposite of femininity so you couldn't be more wrong

[_piotr]

This is very actually a valid and important question. I do not see anything feminine about this. Its more about dignity of oneself. Why chase girls if they are not sexually attached to us. Maybe it is better to have some dignity, remain single and not indulge in any sexual activities.

[Opinion Owner]

@_piotr Look, if you are not a quality man, you can not expect to attract a quality woman. It’s the same, reversed. If I am an overweight, unattractive woman, I can not sit here and complain that men do not approach me.
There are way too many men on this site who take their grievances out on women because of their own lack of game. My current AND last boyfriend I already liked them before they even approached. Why? Because they were already attractive to me. If you are unattractive physically, or just have nothing to offer in general, then yeah, you probably do have to convince a woman to like you!

[Opinion Owner]

And I think of your comment the same as I think about women who constantly complain about there being no good men around, yet they are not good women themselves and have nothing to offer. Sounds similar here.

[_piotr]

I am not trying to attract anybody or offer or not offer something to somebody. I am NOT complaining. I am simply stating the fact that women are not sexually attracted to men and thus "love" is one way street. That argument alone is enough for me to reject dating or engaging in a relationship at least for few decades. I am just not interested in it.

[chris_987]

Lol you proved my point, if you a game needs game to attract even though you already like him then it's still up to him, so either your too dumb to realize that you prove my point. Or your just stupid

[Opinion Owner]

First of all, “dumb” and “stupid” mean the same thing, which is ironic you call me stupid when you can’t even use “you’re” properly.
Second, you have no point. You’re just mad you have to do extra work because you’re undesirable to women. Attractive men and men with things to offer, don’t have to make women like them, just saying. So if you have that problem I have some news for you…

[_piotr]

Even your wording support Chris's thesis: "men with things to offer" -> means women do not actually like men, they need THINGS man can provide. "you have to do extra work" -> remember that every men need to do 100% work, women do not need to do anything at all.

[chris_987]

Why am I taking a girls on a dating if she already like me, and why do men have to text first?

[Opinion Owner]

@_piotr You’re wrong to think women don’t have to do anything. Most men in general do not entertain women who they aren’t attracted to in the first place, so it’s literally the same thing. You think men really talk to girls for NO reason? Most men talk to women with intention for SEX. You really think in general MOST people don’t move with intention?
Would you talk to a girl who didn’t have anything to offer YOU? If you would, that means you’re just desperate, which is a personal problem.

[Opinion Owner]

Because actual men like to pursue women. It’s not some new concept. It’s been like this since the dawn of time. You come off as an incel. One who complains about having to message a woman first, really? God. Also probably the one to complain about being a provider in a relationship, no wonder you’re 35 still single. It’s a personal defect of yourself, buddy.

[chris_987]

Your dumber that you look if you think a man is gonna ghost a girl because she doesn't want to be pursued and just wants him for his body. Do you think drake and Justin Bieber are turning down girls because they just want to have sex with them?

[_piotr]

Men does not like to pursue women. Men are not monkeys to perform tricks for women like in the circus. It's been like this, because women are indifferent to men, so men are compelled do it, because they are contaminated with sex drive. It would be better if men were free from the shackles of sex drive which is just a device nature or God gave women to keep men submissive. The true freedom is from throw off these shackles.

About provider, why men have to be providers. Imagine two some kind of beings. One is just entitled to the money of the other... why? What is so special about it? Why this being is treated as superior to the other one. It just screams unfairness. In human case the answer is: if you are women you are entitled to live at someone else's expense.

"It’s a personal defect" No, it is not. The decision to refrain from interacting with women is just a product of intelligence, wisdom and self respect.

And most men talk to women with various intentions. Sex can be just one of them but not the only one.

[Opinion Owner]

@_piotr Blah blah blah. We’ll get attractive and you won’t have to pursue women.

[chris_987]

Well either way it's, true men give women there sexually desire. The woman is passive and The man is active

[Opinion Owner]

Well if you don’t like it, you can date another man. That way, you can both be active, or passive or whatever works for you.

[_piotr]

We do not need to date another man. We can be alone just fine.

[Opinion Owner]

@_piotr I’m glad you’ve accepted that. Yet, you use this site to complain about it. Weird.

[_piotr]

I use this site to study how women use their power for evil and how gynocentrical the world. It is sad but fascinating. I also explain to some men here how world works as they might get wrong expectations -> like believing that men can be sexually attractive to women or that relationship is two way street (no, only women benefit). I complain justly, because the world is badly design and women have unfair advantage just because they were born female. I spent a lot of time, years actually, researching this topics.

One might find interesting that even fairy tales are constructed to elevate women. Eg. a fairy tale in which dragon captured princess, locked her in the tower and many knights died to rescue her indoctrinates children that man's life is worthless and expendable and that her live is more important than hundreds of men.

As you see this is very interesting.

[Anonymous]

No I really love men (real men)

[chris_987]

So you like men who don't like you?