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Ultimately it's about radical ideologies lying to young men and women. For example, I've seen so many people use words like mysogyny, racism, chauvinism and all without even knowing the meaning of it.
What you have to see is how the society, specially the western society so so polarized on either fronts.
There are a couple of reasons for the disconnect.
1. Men and women have different struggles, needs and social lives.
2. Ideologies like rad feminism tech women to hate men. And ideologies like rad Andrew Tateism teaches men to hate women.
At the end of the day, we are all people capable of fucking up. I'd be much much more accepting of a woman who casually hooks up with guys a lot over a woman who cheats.
For me personally it's about one's character. And mind you that's why I said much much more accepting. I'd rather not date a person who has been railed by a lot of people and being a pansexual that is same for every gender. Having a lot of sexual partners make you insensitive to intimacy and most probably indicates that you are incapable of keeping a relationship.
What I am trying to say is... stop expecting the opposite gender to be perfect and realise your own capacity for shitting on good things, and this goes for both men and women.
We need each other more than either of us can imagine. And we need to come together and fight against the radical and political assholes that are trying to keep us fighting each other
Many reasons:
Feminism: it tells women they are better than men, men are unnecessary, and that doing anything to serve a man is despicable. Naturally these attitudes drive men away.
Obesity: most women are fat and the average woman now weighs more than the average man which is unheard of in every other primate species. Men will have sex with fat women when they can't do better but most don't want to be seen with one.
Promiscuity: most modern women are hoes getting ran-through by players with ever more becoming sex workers on OF. High body counts and sex work make it very difficult if not impossible for women to pair-bond with a man. Many women are also baby mommas which is a deal-breaker for most men.
Social media: women's egos are inflated when they post filtered pics and get validation from thirsty simps that over-inflates their egos.
Broken homes: more young women are from broken homes and have no example of how to act in a relationship.
I completely understand why men who are able to are going overseas for more feminine traditional women.
Wow, surprisingly I agree with a lot of these... I know there have been studies to back up your claims as well... it's sad. They did this to themselves. However, all hope is not lost. There's always SOMEONE desparate enough to date and take them home!
I agree with that but why do men tell us what to do all the time? But no I don't think that cooking and cleaning is bad or that men are inferior to us but some things just drive me crazy man
@CoolCatMar1 that’s how it is women drive us crazy too but we gotta learn to accept that we won’t ever really understand each other
@CoolCatMar1 "but why do men tell us what to do all the time?"
Do they, really?
There are only a few areas where I tell my girl what to do, and those are areas that involve SAFETY and SECURITY. And why do I feel entitled to tell her what to do? It's because I'm taking RESPONSIBILITY for HER safety and security, and I can't do that without her cooperation. If something happens, *I'm* the one who is going to risk my body and possibly my life to protect her, and I think that earns me the right to direct how SHE responds. (by the way, my girlfriend not only has no problem with any of this, she's overtly thankful for it.).
Other than that, I don't tell her what to do. She often asks me for advice, and she usually follows it, but I'm not there trying to micro-manage her. Most men have no desire to do that.
Why are men so entitled these days and tell women what to do how to dress or how to look or even how to act? We can't do anything without men judging us... Modern women... Wtf is that supposed to mean? So should we stick to the old times when men didn't allow us to got o school, educate ourselves, work and have money? Or should we be "gold diggers" who live with money of men? Huh? I don't get it? Many women these days can keep a man I don't know where you live and what you see to even say that😅
Because there is a direct correlation between societal collapse and the morals of women
Men are natural protectors and providers we want to take care of women but if women won’t listen then we can’t do that
Cuz they think relationships are only about them.
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Because women of today start doing grownup things before their brains have grown up. So they have this battle with themselves and tend to disrespect themselves and be stupid thinking it will make them happy. Truth is a good man doesn't want a wife who opens her legs at the site of 'rooster'. If she respects herself then she will respect him. Todays women want to be men and copy mens behavior and think it will get them to the same place as men but it doesn't because they arnt made for that.
@Singing_Hollow Well said.
Because modern men are too bitchy. Even my dad, who grew up with those strict hyper masculine beliefs says men these days have gender role switched with the women. And that’s coming from him who has been married to my mom for 25 years.
Now, realistically, most girls I know are in relationships. The people I see around single are usually men and it’s usually of their own accord to be single. Fact of the matter is, with the modern day non-incel man (one who is attractive enough to get a decent woman) they are usually single by choice. I know I’m specifically single because I don’t want to deal with a man’s BS of a man with a wandering eye. Most women I know in relationships have to deal with some crap coming from their boyfriend and I refuse.
@noemiii
So your basically saying your single because your don't want to deal with the threat of being left single...
A wondering eye in a man unlike a woman is not the same thing as an unfaithful man even in a sociality that has no real institution of marriage to bind him. Men are programed to find every woman attractive.
But most of them are also loyal and would provide you with much support that your otherwise just going to have to provide all by yourself.
Going hungry because your afraid of maybe having to find a new food source is not a rational life strategy.
I would also like to point out that most men are prideful and even if they tell you they choose to be single it may be simply that they don't have the option, and don't want to admit such weakness.
@monorprise No, there are many factors as to why in single, including that I do better alone in general, but no I would not be with a man with a wandering eye. I’ve seen plenty of men respect their girlfriends and I’ve also seen plenty of men disrespect their girlfriends. And you know what, these women I know with men who don’t respect them in turn make their girlfriends an insecure mess. Not happening with me. I’d rather stay single. I have plenty of options I just don’t want any of them.
I don’t live in the realm of feeling shameful for being single so it doesn’t bother me one bit. As I said before, my father and mother have been married for 25 years and it was more than likely easier to find a traditional man back in that day. Nowadays, not so much.
It sounds like you simply don't qualify for a masculine man so that's why you are single.
@DextroShade Actually, I’m not much into masculine man but that doesn’t mean I’d date a crybaby man that cries about women not approaching them.
@noemiii
Back then women were more realistic about men and didn't become an insecure mess when they behaved like men have behaved for thousands of years with "wondering eyes". Women back then were also more realistic about marriage actually committed to it long enough to recognize the stability and security inspire of their own fears.
Women back then were also more respectful of men in general recognizing their usefulness and what they should not ask of them. Asking a man display the skills and interest of a woman is only going to leave both of you frustrated and upset.
So frankly if you are in deed "doing better" without the aid of a man, then I would humbly suggest your not using men correctly. As that is a bit like claiming your car goes faster without its gearbox.
There is no conceivable way a single person can accomplish more than 2 people unless that person is unnecessarily wasting time and energy fighting with that other person rather than coopering according to rules.
Frankly that is just really sad on your part.
Some men refuse to buy flowers , buy gifts, be PDA in public (not too much though) or even hold a hand i mean..
They have become too masculated the ironic opposite enmasculation of men. Society today has some how managed to reverse societal roles and then glorify it to add insult to injury. As a result women don't know what they want and men end up being blamed for the short comings that society has created for itself.
But they don’t control access to relationships
It's not that they can't keep a man it's that they can't keep a man of value. Modern woman have raised there standards and w/ the help of things like Social Media and dating apps a women who previously could never get into a room w/ a HV man can get banged by one. Women tend to think that a guy having sex w/ her = a guy having a relationship, so you'll have a 6 get banged by a man who's a 10 and now she thinks she can get a 10 to commit to just her. She tries to use the same tactics that she uses on a 6 not understanding that HV have heard all these things from women b4.
Oh real - decent, respectable & modest - modern women who act & behave properly not like cheap tramps and free prostitutes can keep a man.
Just as how real - decent, respectable & not a lying good for nothing loser - men who act & behave properly with morals and ethics can keep a woman.
Not that you'd know much of anything about decent women or being a respectable man. You put on another post that you'd a good for nothing cheater & it sounded like your woman really wasn't worth much of anything if she sleeps with losers like you.
I don't think the problem is keeping the man.
I think we just feel more comfortable leaving a man if they only make us feel bad. If you don't make me feel better or at least not worse I do not need you in my life. Life is hard enough as it is, I do not need your as making me feel worse 😂
Oh the whole I can do bad all by myself excuse
Then you aren’t fit for a relationship because things will go wrong you won’t always like each other
Haven’t you ever heard an old married couple they sound like they can’t stand each other but if that were really the case the wouldn’t have been married 70+ years
You are tying your happiness with the success of the relationship so whenever you are unhappy or bad things happen you can just blame the relationship instead of facing your problems like an adult
Ma’am your mindset will keep you in adolescence
Because they are also dating modern men who don't need to be kept. Men are capable of deciding what is right and wrong for them in terms of a relationship, and if they don't want to be in one, they don't have to be. There are so many reasons why relationships end, but like anything else, if you break up or are broken up with, find someone new that actually suits you, makes you happy, and keep it moving.
You don’t think that is detrimental advice?
You don’t think the answer is they don’t know how to please a man? Or what men want
What you’ve said is only true for men because we control access to relationships
Dating doesn’t work
Detrimental? It's reality. Don't want to be in a relationship, then don't be. How can modern women or modern men force someone to like them. You try your best to work together and work it out, hopefully, but if it doesn't, you move on. Are you confused on that point?
@Blockthis Do explain why "my mindset" doesn't work? You try a relationship, it's not working out, I can't force anyone to stay and neither can they...now what do you expect me or anyone else to do in that situation after trying to work it out and that failing....hmm....chain him down? A guy can go through girls like water and no one is out there saying why do modern men fail to keep a woman, but if I say, tried a relationship, tried to fix it, they don't want to fix it, and you expect me to do what, jump through hoops, beg...yeah, no. You move on. They move on, and you look for someone who actually wants to be in your life and who actually makes you happy.
@Blockthis What on earth are you on about?
I think one thing is mismatched priorities. They think they will get a guy by wearing a mini skirt or a pair of high heels, when the guy wants them to dress like a nun and treat him with respect and kindness. Or they try to impress a guy with lies and mocking other girls when the guy is impressed by honesty and loyalty.
Modern women can't keep a man because they keep confusing the TV remote with their dating apps! Swiping left and right on the remote won't find them a partner, but it might lead to an unexpected Netflix marathon. 😄 Remember, relationships are a bit more complicated than changing channels!
The way I've seen, it's usually men who don't wanna be 'kept' :3
That’s a fair point
But you gotta admit that only applies to the guys girls want
Then change your Q to guys that girl's want!! I don't understand.. In both the genders, the ones that won't be deemed as 'too attractive' acc to the opposite gender, are/will always be suffering. It's not just one way.
In this way, your Q could also have been "why can't 'girls that guys want' keep a man?" n now i can also support it by a similar reasoning to yours
That wouldn’t be necessary because the guys that women don’t want this wouldn’t even apply to
Exactly the same reason.. How this Q wouldn't even apply to 'women that men don't want'
No it doesn’t because men are much more simple and less picky than women
Men will marry a broke high school dropout with minimum wage skills
I know women with 3rd grade education who have never worked a day in their life and will never need to because they have husbands because they understand who men are
Men can marry a broke high-school dropout with minimum wage skills, only if she's attractive enough.
She's not exactly 'women that men don't want'.. Or wait, do you mean a pity-marriage?
Men are usually simple. Sure (not always tho, these days..). But they ARE picky... The entire beauty-fashion industry, women wearing skimpy outfits, Infact women who're raised to be 'submissive' or the ones with that 'I'm not like other girls' demeanour.. Everything exists cuz the world is a patriarchy! Literally all women after marriage visit parlours approx once in a month or 2 to get their regular expensive treatments done. Why? You seriously believe that "I do it all for myself" line? They would never have went for so much of such stuff out of their comfort zone. But they did n now their own 'acceptance' is kinda wrapped around it all. If men are monogamous, they ARE going to be picky. And women generally do it all to be the one to get picked & kept.
See you have the exact same mindset as men who think they are too short to get a girlfriend
“ you can be an asshole to women if you’re a 6’4 gigachad “
“ women will only want a short guy if he is rich “
It’s the same mindset
No men are simple men want the same thing from women no matter where you go in the world
You need to forget everything you’ve been taught because it’s causing you to judge men without even trying to understand what we want
And honestly women already know what type of women men want this is why traditional submissive housewives are looked down upon or seen as slaves to their men 🙄 ( what a load of horse crap )
Who told you patriarchy is bad?
I never said patriarchy is bad. I'm just saying, it is what that exists. I'm being realistic & objective here... So "you have the exact mindset as men..." I'm just saying what's reality in most of the cases. Don't judge me through this.. As personally I've even fallen fall n respected a 5'4 guy too, even when he wasn't exactly 'loaded'.. All cuz of his wonderful personality..
I thought we made it quite clear, were now discussing "generalisations" not personal opinion n stuff... You're just rambling now just for the sake of it..
Fallen for*
Im just trying to understand why women date so fearfully and from what you have been saying it’s because men prefer hotter women
Which is the same mentality that those “ short guys “ have
No just me. Almost all females know this somewhere at the back of their heads. I developed it recently after trusting a guy, but it turned out, he's a changed person now so he keeps other women secretly. So don't always call it "short man" mentality (insecurity). It could also be called by ending smth very longterm quite painfully (past relationship trauma)
I didn’t want to use the i- word
Aww.. How considerate.. Pfft.. If you're using it indirectly, you might as well just use it. Doesn't make you a better person. Past relationship trauma, personal life issues, media.. there are COUNTLESS reasons, girls might stop seeing guys as 'flawless angels'. So get this "short man" mindset out of your head. It's just one of the reasons like the others
No offense but those "angry, unhappy, bossy" women are also going to call you 'insecure' for going after their 'self dependent life of choice' n putting your opinions on them (also in reference to our other convo there too) haha
They aren’t opinions they are standards.
Yeah!! Tell them💪
I don't want to get long and wordy on this. It has to do with why girls wanted men in the past; as providers and participants in a family structure. Modern Western women seem to need and want neither. They may want prestige, a penis and a paycheck, but there's no stability to that. It's why an increasing number of men recruit more traditional women from Latin America and East Asia. I did. This is not a guarantor that a marriage won't go south, but the odds are better.
Men are going to blame women and women will blame men. But I think that largely it's more women's fault because they are in charge and in control of dating. Social media and dating apps hugely favor them. Most men live lives of scarcity so they cannot say that I had chose and I chose wrong but that is not the case for women who lave a lot more choice, now granted that is not good choice but choice none the less.
Probably the biggest reason is women choose very poor quality men to begin with. Because many simply do know what constitutes a quality man in the first place.
Perhaps they don’t qualify for those men
And don’t realize it because we live in a society that over inflates women’s value
Could be. But most women do not think in those terms. Most women feel simply because she's a woman she's already worthy of ANY guy. Life has to beat it into these women's head that just because she thinks it, don't make it so. And some women are slow learners in this area.😆
modern women read too many fairytales and romance novels like Cinderella and Twilight, fantasying over their perfect Prince Charming or Edward Cullen specimen only find out most men are really just Scooby Doo's Shaggy
Many have no issue and keep their men for life, but then you have some where their man gets confused as to who's vagina his dick belongs in, which might cause a conflict where she is just forced to dump him.
Well women aren't offering what we want. So after a number of disappointments we are going to give up, move on and look elsewhere.
They get vicious about it but who cares. A friend has done quite well with a Belarusian women.
Because modern women have zero sense of commitment. Half of marriages end in divorce and women file 80% of them. If you compare the divorce rates of heterosexual, gay and lesbian marriages, the highest rate of divorce, by far, is among lesbian couples, and the lowest rate is among gay couples. Women are the common denominator. The more women involved, the more likely the relationship will end prematurely. Modern women can't keep a partner, regardless of their gender.
I've been with man for 10 years. Married for almost 8 years so no Idea what other women are doing to not keep their man
Because modern women are just too trashy, especially in the western countries they don’t respect old fashion dating values, and they play around too much. That’s why I stick with Middle Eastern women haha
Not true. I've seen married women and they got married recently too (around the 2010's - 2016 or later). They even have children together.
@Blockthis Meaning what gen? Gen X, Y or Z? Because I've known and seen a lot of Gen Yers that are married with children, as well as Gen Xers too.
Because modern women chase Chad's, are over fucked, entitled, selfish, and have no idea how to be a partner or wife.
(Modern or not)
Why should a woman want to keep a guy? She’s busy doing her own thing.
A guy has zero novelty. Women and men are only a pair when reproduction is needed, other then That there’s not any need for the two to be together.
The majority of women, young, middle aged, and older are low quality, immoral people that no good high quality man would want to be with.
They don't realize that their actions and decisions in life have consequences for two main reasons.
1. Other women that made bad decisions in life and lost their value as a partner want others to make the same mistakes as they did out of jealousy and resentment.
2. The low quality/low value men frequently praise women regardless of their immoral behavior and lack of anything of value to bring to a relationship because they hope that by accepting immoral behavior and low value qualities it would make them desirable, but it doesn't. If they are short, weak, have an unattractive face, unintelligent, work minimum wage, etc. they are still low quality/value to others.
Then because many women receive significant amounts of attention, they think it means they are desirable to high value men and they are repeatedly disappointed when that isn't the case.
That is one of the reasons why so many women rate themselves as a 9 or 10 even when they are below average (less than a 5).
Why is being modern bad? I'm from this modern time. What's bad about being with the times?
I think it was more about the modern time, not women being modern (having good jobs, independence and all)
@Johnny4473 I just hate how it is phrased. Like every women of this generation isn't a good partner. If he believes that he's one of those good for nothing men
8 years and happier than ever.
I assume you don't know many women.
Because they don't know how to keep one. They've never been taught how to and a lot of them never try to learn. That's why.
Why would any woman want to keep a man nowadays should be the real question.
Just going off of a stereotype because this is a very inaccurate way to ask a question. Basically they want the pros without the cons and can't comprehend that that isn't a thing.
its more like "why can't modern men get any women"? this is the climate today...
Because modern women are too entitled and believe it is empowering to out men down
Because modern men are bitches and older guys are too strict.
And yes, I'm kidding. Calm your titties.
Why anon?
Because people get butthurt and can't handle jokes
@AnusNdaPainus That's not true that men are the ones controlling a relationship. A relationship goes TWO ways. When one wants out (REGARLESS of gender), it's too bad for the other person. ... Unless it's a mutual break up.
@Sweetsurprize why do women date?
@AnusNdaPainus To find a husband to procreate and have a family with. If you go to the mall, or just pretty much outside, and get the guts to ask a woman walking by who is heavily pregnant and or has a toddler in tow, if she'll be completely honest with you, she'll most likely give you that type of answer. It's to "find love" and make babies!
@Sweetsurprize how do you get a husband?
@AnusNdaPainus shit if I knew I wouldn't be 39 and only dating seriously now lol. I'd be 25, Mcrich, and probably pregnant. or 30 and pregnant and Mcrich hehe.
@Sweetsurprize do you at least know what husbands want?
Because theyre entitled, arrogant, bitchy, and overestimate their value
Ten years and still counting. 🤞
So in other words you don’t know.
they are not working to keep them, you have to work at it from both men and women.
They can and regularly do, so chill out.
Dating doesn’t count and no they don’t with a divorce rate of 50% and 70% being initiated by women
45% of women will be single by 2030
Young men don’t even want to approach women let alone date them
I mean I'd say leaving a broken marriage is a good thing. That's not about "keeping a guy" that's about a major emotional disconnect between two people. "Keeping a guy" implies the guy is trying to leave and if divorce is generally initiated by women then it's not the guy trying to leave, it's the girl. So I guess your question in this case would be "why can't modern men keep a woman?" And my guy there is certain an answer to that, but not a simple one.
Be honest did you know that before I said it?
And if women are initiating divorce wouldn’t that mean that women are not marriage material when men still get married regardless
Men end up married regardless because we control access to sex so doesn’t that mean that those women are the problem
Actually yes. I'm aware of the divorce statistics in the US. And no, the relationship resulting in divorce doesn't objectively mean that either person is "not marriage material"; it means that they weren't right for each other at that time and didn't think they were going to be in the future. I'm pretty sure a little over 50% of divorcees remarry, for either gender (the male figures are slightly higher, but only a bit).
Also, all people control access to sex. It's called consent. Both people have to consent. You get that right?
@AnusNdaPainus Why do you keep believing in false stats? ! And why do you not recognize individuals? !
@Sweetsurprize where are your stats
Because we are tired of being played.
I believe you get to choose the men you date
Absolutely and there's a drought the good one don't exist in the modern day world.
How about some accountability
What would you think if men said there aren’t any good women in today modern world
Oh they do ! I can take accountability I have kept my man. You asked a question I'm answering it.
Then why are you being so dismissive?
Also “because we are tired of getting played” implies that women have no control and are incapable of making their own decisions
why aren’t modern men worth keeping?
But they’re worth having sex with and dating?
Let’s say they were worth keeping women still wouldn’t be able to keep them
Ask most women what they bring to the table and it’s nothing that men would expect from a wife besides sex
Also it’s rude to answer a question with a question but that’s the reason why I didn’t make it only guys
Because this question was really for guys because women are just going to deflect and respond with their feelings
Further proving my point.
So thanks I guess
bc men are dick heads
Here we go….🙄🙄🙄🙄
Women view submission as a bad thing.. its not
Um, in a way it is because you don't want someone dominating over you. A relationship has to be equal for it to really work well!
Well, when you are in a relationship (which I am by the way), I think it's an interdependence thing. You're not FULLY dependent on them (your partner), but you are also trying to take care of your partner's addressed needs. That's all it is.
I don’t have any problems.
So you’re trolling.
I can keep mine thank you very much.
Because modern men, hit women
@Blockthis Because they're women?
That's bullshit, we can 😆
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