Agree or disagree, Men are the machine that makes the world work and women are the fuel for the machine?

[KrakenAttackin]

Meaning, Men design, create, build, maintain, the world in a large part to attract the love and admiration of women. Women who support their men are fueling the men to keep the big wheel turning.

AGREE

DISAGREE

[midnightmoon05]

Yes…. men work very hard, have to deal with anything physical or emotional “beating” when outside… the place to turn is home/wife/kids and a nice warm meal. Men don’t ask for much. Just some peace at home.
sadly the love/support/warm… most of it is being taking away. What just 30-50yrs time.
I see this mostly in the western society/families. (Americans)

I grew up here…but I hold the traditional eastern values … I see the difference between the way the western way of raising or lock of raising kids from the women vs.. women from other countries who raise kids are extremely important.
now that we have 2 generations of brats…what’s next with America? (Not all… there some still some very good families out there…but most are downhill).
so where is the hope for the men to have off springs who will respect them?
men in America have to step up to be real MAN!!

[Apple1996]

Eh kind of but men aren't necessarily making the world run in a good way for their families anymore so it's hard to say that women are attracted to that. Most of our modern way of living is terrible for woman and childern. That's why so many people aren't having families anymore. Maybe like 30 years ago this would have been true

[msc545]

Do you have food, clothing and shelter?

You can thank men for all of those things. The chances are we invented them or if we didn't invent them we pay for them on your behalf in one way or another.

[msc545]

Sorry if we aren't providing them well enough to suit your tastes, but you can bet we are doing a much better job than you would do or any woman would do under the circumstances.

[msc545]

Remember that men produce things and women consume things. There is a big difference.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 This really is the bottom line.

[msc545]

Sadly, I think it is...

[Apple1996]

@msc545 men produce things that make the world more convenient for them. Unfortunately not more convenient for women and childern.

And still even with you thinking all that stuff the credit goes to women because they created the men who did those things.
I refuse to thank men until they start thanking us for creating them

[KrakenAttackin]

@Apple1996. You don't use electricity or live in a home, or use the internet?

[msc545]

Go back to school and learn about how many people it takes to create a baby - male or female.

[Apple1996]

I only have those things because of my husband. I would love to live like the Amish. I'm always talking to the Amish in my town like trying I wiggly my way into that shit but I'm not religious or part of their group. So unfortunate 😕

[Apple1996]

@msc545 real funny lol women create the baby. The man is just simply giving his sperm. I'm not over here flashing my eggs thinking that's how I grew and created my kids 😂

[msc545]

So your husband supports you but you think he is unnecessary? Interesting.

Also - try creating a baby without sperm. Good luck.

[KrakenAttackin]

@msc545 You see, @Apple1996 is trolling again.

[Apple1996]

@msc545 my husband is only able to support me because I add money to his pay. Without me he'd be broke. Luckily he knows this and sees my value

And getting sperm is a whole a lot cheaper than getting eggs and a surrogate. There's a reason for that because women are the ones doing all the work for creating life

[JacobJordan]

Biologically both are needed and neither is superior to the other. Both men and women fill certain roles if left to there own devices that is evolutionary design. You are just as important as your husband and he is just as important as you. Without a man you wouldn't exist without a woman you wouldn't exist. Without men society wouldn't exist without women society wouldn't exist. These are biological facts and trying to claim superiority over one is silly. We have all heard the "if men could reproduce without women what use would women have" simple. Women more often than not inhabit the emotional world. Women bring peace, love, encouragement, support, care, and so much more to relationships. Men more often than not inhabit the physical world they bring safety, provision, protection, rationality, logic and so much more to relationships. And left to their own devices both men and women tend to gravitate to towards those points. A very old saying which I have forgotten the exact wording and who said it is "men build civilization while women birth society" without men civilization crumbles. Without women society crumbles (a good example is present USA) the destruction of traditional values and roles has led to a decline in both civilization and society because men aren't being men and women aren't being women. Further proof that both men and women are needed now more than ever.

[msc545]

Nothing like taking 200 words to belabor the obvious.

[DextroShade]

Men built the world and we maintain it, and yes our motivation is sex. Throughout most of human history until very recently, men and women had an arrangement: the man would protect and provide in exchange for the woman giving him exclusive access to sex and reproduction. This arrangement was known as "civilization" and worked for thousands of years.

Recently women have started to reneg on their end of the deal because of feminism while still expecting and benefiting from men holding up their end. As a result women are getting ran-through by a small minority of Chads and Tyrones while most average men don't get shit. At some point these men will probably decide that working hard to maintain civilization for a bunch of ungrateful thots isn't worth it anymore and it will crumble.

[KrakenAttackin]

@DextroShade. Exactly! You hit right to the core of the question and precisely where I was going with it.

[Anonymous]

That has always been true, and always will be.

Without women in the world, men would be unhappy.

Without men in the world, women would be dead.

[KrakenAttackin]

Anon... exactly right.

[Opinion Owner]

Thank you, and thanks for MHO.

[Lliam]

This presupposes that women are incapable of anything more than supporting men, as if men are children and women are mere caregivers.
"I have a job."
"Awwww, poor baby. What a good boy. Look, I made you dinner and you can fuck me later."

Ideally, I think men and women support each other.

[Anonymous]

To a point I think it’s true. Women who just do nothing but sit around and complain. Just seem to bring their men down… and in turn bring themselves down.

But I think women also do build and create things. Not women who are diversity hired who can’t do the job and just bitch all the time.

I think married people should complete one another and work equally as hard on whatever roles are established.

[IslaTheWitch]

nope, men and women build and design and attract love and admiration. In different ways and using different skills.

[MotherEarth2020]

HumanEarth Says hello (My Husband) standing behind me and we both agree this.

[JayBones]

Woman don't do shit, and they'll do less and less every day going forward. We have AI sex robots with working wombs.

[msc545]

I think women used to fuel the men. However, they no longer do. At best a few of them do no harm and it worst they causeva lot of grief for a lot of men.

[SweetDripp]

That seems like a very traditional view which I don’t think is as accurate today as it was several decades ago.

[KrakenAttackin]

@SweetDripp. Only humans are so arrogant as to think thousands of years of evolution can be undone in 30 years.

[SweetDripp]

That’s not evolution. That’s cultural norms and they can and do change over time.

[KrakenAttackin]

@SweetDripp. No. Wrong. Men have always done the hard, dangerous uncomfortable jobs that make the world work. Always.

Women THINK they make the world work but only because men allow women to have the delusion.

[SweetDripp]

Ok 😂

[KrakenAttackin]

Was it Iceland where women (a full 1/3) of the population went on "strike" for a day and not one single critical service or resource was adversely effected? Keep telling yourself your HR job is "critical" and "essential".

[SweetDripp]

So men have been doing all the hard, dangerous, and uncomfortable jobs and you think that’s a win for men? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[KrakenAttackin]

@SweetDripp. This is work that has to be done. Men are ok doing these things and protecting women from all the awful things. Women used to appreciate all that men do, but now women think society just magically builds and maintains itself, and have no appreciation at all for men.

[SweetDripp]

Who hurt you so badly?

[KrakenAttackin]

@SweetDripp. "Who hurt you"? That's what you come back with? No concept of how the world works or what it takes to keep things moving. You likely obsess over TikThot and Instagram, taking selfies constantly and just assuming the world will work itself out. Such privilege.

[SweetDripp]

You know literally nothing about me so you make sweeping generalizations about my social media habits and what is important to me. The depth of your thought is “Men strong and good, women weak and bad.” It must be so threatening to you to see the absolute control men used to have slowly and unstoppably shifting in balance. I understand your desire for control, but you are merely a man who relies on the greatness of men before you who have made great contribution to society for your own status. You list the accomplishments of all men as your own and the only thing you’ve done to attain the status you proclaim is grown a penis by pure chance.

[KrakenAttackin]

@SweetDripp. Truth stings, doesn't it. As for me, I have been a police officer, a naval aviator who flew F-18's until a bad ejection broke my back and shoulder. I have been a commercial airline pilot, a welder, done industrial inspections of places you don't even know exist. I have worked in the financial world and automotive world. I have been in gun fights, a plane crash, been through all kinds of up and downs. I know what makes the world work and not work, because I have been a part of it. ... a funny thing, through all of this I never saw mouthy 23 year old girls willing to get their hands dirty. You were all too busy looking at mirrors in your safe spaces.

[KrakenAttackin]

And please think before you reply. Being a Barista or Insta "influencer" does not make the world go.

[SweetDripp]

I’m neither a barista nor a social media influencer but apparently you have trouble holding a steady job 😂

[KrakenAttackin]

Brilliant retort.

[SweetDripp]

Thanks for letting me live rent free inside your head. I would think a naval aviator would be more level headed. Maybe that’s why the whole airline pilot gig didn’t work out for you. Leaving a 6 figure job to do something else isn’t usually by choice, especially for aviators who love to fly.

[KrakenAttackin]

@SweetDripp. Actually it wasn't six figures back then and I was a regional pilot. I hated the lifestyle of being gone 20+ days a month. My wife (now ex) was also an airline pilot, but good for a marriage.

[KrakenAttackin]

**not** good for marriage.

[SweetDripp]

So your wife, who was also a pilot, didn’t quite fit the mold you think all women should conform to. How do you reconcile your initial assertion with her being a pilot?

[KrakenAttackin]

@SweetDripp. I learned from my experiences, and those lessons were harsh. I wish I had been wise and learned from the experiences of others prior to marrying her.

[SweetDripp]

Maybe your thoughts about the “proper” roles of women played a role in the breakup of your marriage. Or maybe the breakup of your marriage is what gave you such strong opinions of what a woman’s “proper” role is. Either way, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[KrakenAttackin]

That's fine. The larger discussion is about how gender roles have served humanity well. It's only in the last 30-50 years society has become badly out of kilter.

[SweetDripp]

I think you’d find that even hundreds of years ago people were angered as roles changed albeit much slower. The pace of modern change is certainly disconcerting to those with static beliefs.

[Likes2drive]

Yeah I agree, when I was married she did motivate me to do more at least

[OtterMan68]

before the mid-twentieth century, mostly true, but not today

[Newbie0400]

No women bring a lot more to the table now days than just fuel. I work in a very professional atmosphere and I can attest women are just as much the brick and mortar as they are any type of fuel. The lines have been crossed this day and age.

[normalice]

This doesn't even make sense as a metaphor.

[KrakenAttackin]

So vote "disagree".

[normalice]

I did. But I'd have preferred a "this isn't even a matter of disagreement so much as correctly identifying absolute nonsense" option

[TonyMetal___86]

I surely agree!

[Exterminatore]

💯 agree.

[argot]

Nope.