Women's work and men's work are slightly different around the world in all the countries and cultures. The roles are a bit different in the America, they are a bit different in Bangladesh where I live, and they are a bit different in China where my dad goes for frequent business trips and he not only told me how it is but even showed me when he took me to different offices and factories in China.
In America there aren't many women in STEM, women tend to avoid it and the society overall tends to discourage women from pursuing that field because of different stereotypes and also the fact that a woman in STEM would be less likely to get approached by men. Over here, despite the society being much more misogynistic, there are just as many women in STEM as there are men. In fact because of our modest culture we have very high demand for female doctors especially gynecologists. Here women can't even imagine working in any factory or gas station but there are plenty of women working in Chinese gas stations and factories! I've seen it myself.
In America many couples tend to split household chores and work equally, here women do all the household chores doesn't matter if she works or not, very recently men started cooking more meals but men still leave the childcare entirely to their wives. In China both parents go to work while the grandparents look after the child! (Of course it's a huge generalization, not all families are like that.)
But normally, here is what I personally observed. Usually, regardless of region and their culture, women's jobs:
1) Are less physically demanding, as in how much physical strength and labor you have to put in.
2) Require less travelling and moving about especially in odd hours and long distances, I'm not necessarily talking about commuting. Think of a cashier vs a chauffeur.
And again, it depends on your culture what's more attractive and what's not. Here even though being a career woman isn't seen as being as womanly as being a housewife of course, a lot of people especially in the upper class want that for the sake of 'status'. Somewhere else it might be more prestigious to be a housewife instead and that would be more desired. I think hierarchy matters more than how 'womanly' she is when it comes to how desirable or attractive she is to the society.
When children are very young they are told they can not do certain things. For example my daughter was told girls don't do math or play with Legos by her after school care. Good thing she has a strong will and I told her if she loves math to do it because it is really important... she is top of her highschool class now! My ex sat on the couch for decades while I renovated our home,. There is no such thing as women's or men's jobs. It's all in our minds and how society sets us up. If you are not strong you find innovative ways to be productive, I shingled my roof, I did it mostly by myself, to get the shingles up I used a powered lift on my ladder based on what others did on YouTube. While working up there my neighbor kept saying she can't believe that a women is on the roof... If you can overcome the pressures others put on you , you can do it!
I don't know what idiotic after school care you decided to send your daughter to, but no one in their right mind would start dictating to kids what they can and can't do, particularly those in child care. When I went to school everyone was told the generic "you can be anything you put your mind to" stuff and this is the norm in society, not what your daughter experienced.
Some jobs are more physically demanding and the average man might have an advantage, however it's not the "ability" that really dictates it but the interest level. There are many women who are great engineers but engineering is still male dominated because most women simply aren't interested in it.
I live in the sticks. A couple nearby farm girlfriends come by and sometimes bring a spare horse with them. They can work hard feeding their animals, doing some farming, chopping wood sometimes. One shoots very well. They can sling a 100lb bag of feed. They seem to work until they are tired (sometimes push it) whereas I work until the job is done which is the real difference. I have yet to meet one that can swap out a transmission (rebuild it) or split a tractor and put it all back to working order. I would welcome that. I think that women can do manual labor in a group well when there is support but independently taking on a huge job alone, and having to complete it on her own I have yet to witness. I am not saying there isn’t some hard ass brute with a vagina out there that can do it; I just haven’t seen it. But to answer your question, one of these women like the homemaker job more and she likes to play house sometimes and is very good at it. I think that when we fit the pieces of the complementary puzzle together; yes there are jobs that come natural to each.
Hell my works side by side with me in farm work. There is nothing she can't do.
She can't paint her finger nails as good as I can
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In a word yes, there is women's work and men's work. But really those jobs can be done by either gender. They just tend to be more comfortable and easier for them.
Easy example? Waitressing vs machining factory.
Assume both come from middle class families. Both parents work. Maybe a sport.
Factory work is usually physical. Standing for 8-12 hours a day, lifting up to 80lbs usually not air conditioned. Don't have to talk to people.
Waitressing, also involves standing for 8-12 hours a day but is less physical and more mental. Lots of writing, possible memorization, and having to deal with people all day.
Most of the females I've met are much better at wearing a delightful mask all day than Most guys I've met. However even if they are involved with sports, heavy lifting is probably going to kick their butt.
But it depends on your body type and the work you are used to. It depends on money. Education. Various abilities. The more educated you go the less there is a line between male and female biased positions.
No.
There is work.
If you are unsuited to said work, do not do said work.
I can outlift most men at most gyms. I can outspar most men.
But my mind is sharper than my body.
So I work in consulting. (Also, feminine charms make it very easy to make suckers out of men trapped with sexist ways - and then my good worth ethic and communication skill makes it easy to help them improve for next time).
But I'd take a labour job sooner than go back to a "female dominated" field. Eugh. I had enough of that.
Well there's landscaper females out here, but most physical laboring jobs most women can't really handle, like I don't wanna be an asshole, but even some guys tap out at the level of physical labor of some of these jobs.
It's basically man's way of selling his body, it's why a lot of us end up practically crippled in old age. There's no point in women selling her body that way, when there's much easier methods.
I also feel like we're wired to work and process stuff a certain way, and that's better for different tasks. Such as guys are usually more mechanically inclined, trust me a lot aren't though.
I would say this works the same way race works - scientists spent decades trying to find genes that could distinguish one race from another and they concluded there is no single gene that makes one person white or black or brown or yellow - racial differences are made by combination traits. Also these combinations are so complex no scientist has been able to map them out.
That is how I would understand gender. There is no single job that is for woman or men but some jobs are more popular in one gender rather than another and these factors are too complicated and inter dependent to specifically identify.
Yes of course there is, there are jobs where men undeniably are more capable because it caters to their natural talents. And there are jobs where women are undeniably more capable because it caters to their natural talents. Men can adapt to do the womens job, but focussing on so many things at once such as a group of children is difficult since we are wired to focus on one task at hand and we tend to excel in logic rather than social skills. Of course individual cases are much more flexible but if you look at the best in their field you will either see men or women depending on which gender traits fit that particular task. If you look around you you won't see many women doing heavy construction work, and you won't see many men leading large kindergarten classes or working at a daycare facility.
I’m aware of only two jobs that have been exclusively segregated by sex throughout antiquity and that’s the hunting of large marine mammals (ie whales) and metallurgy. Besides that I think there’s been overlap on everything across the world. That said in each culture there tends to be highly segregated work, ie men would hunt and women pick berries or vice versa, but when all societies are taken into account most everything’s been tried.
That said due to interest in modern western societies we still see some division of labor. There’s a reason most bricklayers are men and most nurses are women, and it’s not because there are roving bands of patriarchs ensuring that people don’t step out of line 😂
Normal guys aren’t turned on because a woman acts like a man. There is zero benefit to her as far as attracting masculine men.
Also if she has a man’s body proportions that’s unattractive. Women who get too strong lose their body fat & start looking mannish. Their boobs get flat. So at some point there’s such a thing as too much.
It’s also unlikely a woman could even go toe to toe with guys in every physical activity. Men have denser muscle, more muscle & more easily form muscle. It’s way harder for her to get strong than it is for him.
And most women - 75% or more probably- don’t want to work as hard as men do. They want fun/easy jobs usually. Men don’t look at it that way.
Well, technically, yes. But some people (ignorant fools) overexaggerate it. It's 2019, men and women do have the capability of doing anything they want to do.
For example, women in the millitary. Can they do the work? Yes. Can they do every single thing that men can do in the millitary? I know you'll be shocked by this, but yes. Some things people do in the military are use weapons, drive vehicles, and repair weapons. Other people in the military learn how to fly aircraft, pilot ships, or repair engines. This doesn't even have to do with physical strength. Women can be in the millitary, and they do it pretty well.
Now, an example of a "man's work" would be something like being a priest. The Catholic church does not allow women to join the priesthood. It doesn't align with my beliefs, but to each their own. CAN women be priests? Yes. ARE they? No.
Yes, yes there is.
My job for instance we only have one woman working for us and she's the secretary, everyone else is a man.
It's not women's faults or anything you just limited by your biology and men and women were designed for different tasks and to do different kinds of work and there's nothing wrong with that. We both have our roles in the world and things that are gender does better and more efficiently.
Now that's not to say there aren't exception to the rule but they're pretty rare.
Nah. It might be rare to see the opposite gender in particular fields, but there's no particular field that either couldn't do. I love seeing women in tougher fields, like construction, oilfields, mechanics, etc and men in things like nursing, teaching, etc its great! And those who are passionate can make it even better!
I have seen quite a number of women in 'men's jobs. Each time they impressed me a lot.
The stereotype that those girls are not 'feminine' is a myth; sure: some ARE 'unsightly'... but the same can be said of their male colleagues.
Of course there ARE jobs that are predominantly manned (sorry) by a specific gender. But I see that rather as a 'habit' or 'tradition' than being purposely selective.
I have a very physical job and it doesn't make me any more masculine, I'm very feminine and just a normal woman. Your job doesn't and shouldn't ever define your identity or your gender or anything. Sure there are lots of things consider to be for men or for women but I honestly hope that one day it would all be equally for both
It depends on if you are talking about average or including those at the extreme ends. There is considerable more variation within each of the sexes than the average differences between the sexes.
Although it is difficult, the average man can carry a bundle of roofing shingles. The average women cannot; at 50 to 80 lbs they weigh too much. However, 10% (more or less) of young women can and a smaller percentage can do it better than the average man.
In sports occasionally a young women can do what less than 1 man in million can. The quad in figure skating is an example. In an amazing performance 15-year-old, Anna Shcherbakova, completed two quad Lutzes in international competition.
Of course there is. There are very good reason why 86% of Human Resources professionals and 90% of nurses are women. And there are also very good reasons why 87% of all engineers and 91% of construction workers are men.
That doesn't mean every woman has to do "woman's work" and every man has to do "man's work", but clearly there are jobs that men are much better at and better suited for, and jobs that women are much better at and better suited for.
Women are being pushed very hard to go into STEM jobs, and their numbers in those fields have risen in recent years, but there will never nearly s many women as men in STEM because a) they don't like it as much as men, and b) they are simply not as good at those types of jobs. Some women certainly are good at them, but generally speaking men are better.
To your other question, I don't think a woman who works in a "man's job" is any less attractive at all. All that matters is that she has a good personality and is still feminine.
The stereotype exists for a reason. Are there exceptions to the stereotype? Yes. The fact is a female soldier has to have a separate PT requirements then a male soldier. Female soldiers can't carry as much equipment in combat. They have a harder time carrying their wounded male counterparts to safety becouse they can't lift as much. Does this mean all males are stronger then all females? No. There are she hulks out there and scrawny guys. But dont stick your head in the sand. I love Rhonda Rousey but she wouldn't stand a chance against the heavyweight male counterparts. Statistics matter. Density matters.
We could debate "shoulds" all day long, but in the end all that matters is what people actually act out. Almost zero women go into hard laboring jobs, and yet feminists demand 50/50 gender balance in high power positions like C-suite boardrooms. Absurd. Try forcing women to occupy half of all hard labor roles-- they would revoke feminism itself before accepting such a premise.
That is a bad example as woman are not biologically made for hard labour yet there is no natural limitation that would keep men or women from performing well in high power positions that you mentioned. With that being said, I believe that when it comes to those positions gender should not matter, the individual ability should be the main factor and should not be imfluenced by such things as "needing diversity" or such.
@morimeme1 i agree that individual ability should be the only consideration for the job
I think women shy away from jobs like this so we will probably never know. But if they did take on a job like this in a tight pair of jeans then YES that would be super attractive!
I asked because, I grew up doing physical labor. I was a farm kid. My hubby and I have a small farm and we love it. I just see a lot of females saying it's too hard, that's mans job. But If he's not around, something's can't wait for him to get home to fix them. Ya have to bit the bullet get your hands dirty and bust your tits to get it done.
I work a blue collar factory job. I've had several female coworkers state that they shouldn't have to do certain aspects of the job because "It's mens work". I've even had one say she should be paid more than the men for doing a mans job. Is a woman unattractive who does my line of work, no. Can her attitude be unattractive, yes.
By nature, men and women have their own so-called "Gender Roles" which includes work. There are jobs that are simply better to be done by men and others by women. Can women do men's jobs? They can try, but chances are they will switch to something more female-friendly.
Work is work. There's no work for man or work for men.
Take chefs for example.
Men and women by biological design have evolved to perform certain tasks/jobs exceptionally and that's the only fine line that exists. Men are more muscular and so are without much question seen to be doing the heavy duty works and vice versa for women.
There would be 50/50 ratio or close in every job, if there would be no such thing.
All that feminazi brainwashing, just gone too far.
I have no issues, if woman wants to do traditionally men's work or other way around.
We need women in IT there is no heavy lifting or any phisical strength needed in most positions.
Or any woman can do even phisically demanding job, why not.
And any man can be nurse or be secretary, but it never works that way women wants jobs in men industries. Even getting all grants ( for choosing IT or Engineering profession) and other bonuses for it, nothing for men for choosing nursing or HR, even men are looked bad at for doing it...
Yes, better be like you 'bend over and take it'...
And make sure everyone else does same as well.
I do not care about them, just people want to be equal, but only on their terms and only when it suits them.
Why, you feel really grown up after just finishing one, last year, everyone who still there kids now?
You really know life now?
I think you need get out of your pink bubble...
Across much of the world women do the lifting and carrying, so your question has a little western bias. Although, on average, blokes are stronger than birds, the distributions overlap. I train regularly but there are women in the gym stronger than I. (And they are certainly not unattractive)
For myself, I'd say that being fit and capable enhances attractiveness. There may be a threshold whence muscularity might detract, but that is unlikely without steroid use.
There are physical limitations of human bodies by gender. Further men are traditionally more expendable and from a strictly biological / instinctual perspective women count more than guys. Therefore extremely dangerous jobs have been done by men. Not that women can't do them, but biologically it makes more sense for guys to do them. Therefore, yes, there is such a thing.
I've got no beef with women doing a certain kind of job, if she enjoys it like me, then let's get it done. But if she is (even if it's a man), a dainty delicate flower that complains, bitches, and moans... I don't think it's a good fit.
Now do I find her attractive? um, maybe if she's hot, eyeballing me back, and we're not supposed to be working. Otherwise I do what I always do at work... I shut off the sex part of my brain and go into work mode.
In general when it comes to strength there are jobs better suited for a man. I say in general because today you do have women that build themselves up and can be stronger then some men. But only some men because no matter how strong the strongest woman is the strongest man will always be stronger biologically.
Now would that make her less attractive? Not to some men. But I believe most men are attracted to more feminine women or at least to women that aren't more masculine than feminine.
I don't think so. We are moving towards equality with more and more men helping with cooking and cleaning. I think it's only natural women help with the things that used to be "men's work". Feminism has given women freedom and equality, now it is time that men were given freedom and equality in being and doing whatever they want.
Omg... You all 🙈 I can't even bring my self to scroll down to see the comments... Here I will make my comment. There ARE things that a male who was born with the needed physical strength to endure and to repeat and endure. That being said a women can do it. Sure if you want to. But men have more strength stamina to complete tasks and to repeat those tasks over a period of hours. Unless a women what's to strength training for hours on end daily just to get up to a man straight that's up to you.
I think your job should suit your personality. I'm good with people and information. My mom was good at picking things up and putting them down. She was strong as an ox and damn attractive. She got way more attention from men than me, and I'm charming af
Honestly, I’ve seen the type of women who do “man’s labor” and I don’t find them good looking at all. A lot of them are naturally more masculine than the average female and that’s not attractive to me. Now, these women usually make very good leaders and bosses and they earn the respect of men much more so than the average female, but I’m just stereotyping from what I’ve seen.
Yes there is such a thing as men's work because things that involve heavy physical labour are just not for the female biology and thaf is a fact, if a woman wants fo sacrifice her health and do it anyways - she can but that's on her.
What people don't understand is that these men are also sacrificing their health, they are just more equipped to survive longer in that field. There is a lot of hate going around for men earning more, but women are usually wiser than to destroy themselves in the long run. Its a sacrifice the men are willing to do to to provide for their family and before a women wants to out compete us in the workplace she should take into consideration how big the effort is the men are willing to do for her so she doesn't have to.
I worked in a massive production company from 18-20, I was in the office but fact is that women CAN do heavy work, but men can do it more and for longer. It is just how it is, men are naturally built to manage more physical labor.
Womens bodies are more fragile than mens generally, their muscular and bone structure isn't suitable for handling heavy loads over time. Not saying all women, but a good majority. I would say that a majority of women dont want to do "mens work" mainly because theyre not interested. Just like most men aren't interested in doing nursing or other "womens work"
As an OTR truck driver, im frequently in dark desolate areas as well as being surrounded by lonely men and away from restroom facilities so I stick my wee wee in bottles all these things would make trucking hard for women but some do manage it nonetheless
Men and women on average are more prone to pursue certain careers based on their abilities and interests which will inevitably create trends between genders. But if a woman wants to pursue a career in a predominately male dominated field or vice versa... as long as they get the job done efficiently there's really no problem.
Yes there absolutely is, and what's more, there should be.
Man, this is tough. Honestly I can say I've seen chicks outwork men in the oilfield and vice versa.
So I'm gonna say No. It's all in that person's Character, they either can do the work or can't. 👍
Yes, and no, if you look at the human anatomy females have a less dense bone and muscle structure in comparison to males, and therefore so called men's work tends to be doing heavy lifting or construction, where as woman's work tends to be less physically demanding like office work or art
Each gender does have its strengths and weaknesses in different careers. I've been an electrician for 5 years and I can count the women I've seen on constructions sites on 1 hand. They can do the work, but they tend to do things like drywall sanding and mudding or painting. You'll very rarely see them working as a plumber, brick layer or electrician.
So while they can do the work and keep up with men it's just not common.
No, whatever you want to do, do it.
I am personally more attracted to women who can do a lot of heavy lifting and the like.
I believe more in the stereo typing theory. We may all be humans but the structure of our bodies and psychology are different. Both genders were created to do their own categories of work - physically and mentally.
In my work. Work garden, work in Woodworking, crafts and painting. I also work in Cattley . It depends. It shouldn't be label as men job.
Men are naturally stronger and their skin is more rugged which makes them naturally better at more labor intensive jobs. That said, women can do labor intensive jobs too, it just might be more difficult for them. Of course these are averages, as with anything with humans there is a ton of overlap, so this may not be true 100% of the time.
There is, because society says so. But none of that is set in stone as it's always changed throughout history and will continue to change. So, if your question is if there's work that is men's or women's by *nature*, the answer is quite obviously no.
@luisg_gr No, they're always gonna be better *overall*, but not literally *always*. There will always be certain women who will perform better at those physical works than certain men. And that's all we need to know. If any women can be good enough for a job, than that jon isn't inherently male by any "nature". End of story.
@luisg_gr No, it actually makes no sense and is counterproductive in fact. Assigning a gender label on it creates social stigma and puts social pressure on people. Less men dare to do "female" work and less women dare to do "male" work because of people like you.
But do not worry, you're in good company here. GaG is dominated by men who wish the 1950s or even middle ages would make a comeback. So dispicable.
You need both men and women to build the economy. There are jobs that men are good at and jobs that women are good at and jobs that both genders can handle.
There are some jobs that might be more geared towards men and some for women, but in my opinion there is no such thing as certain genders work🤔
I think there kind of is such a think, but only in the extremes. I kind of see kindergarten teaching as a woman's job and being a lumberjack as a man's job. As a women, though, I would still be a carpenter and I feel like it's ok for a man to be a nurse.
Well, there are the stereotypical jobs as you said, but nowadays when a woman or man is fit for the task I don't see an issue why they shouldn't pursue a career not typically meant for that gender
Is there really such a thing as woman's work and men's work?
Lots of overlap, but yes.
There are things requiring size and aggression that you can't do as well.
*Join an NFL team
*Become a fire fighter.
Yes.
As much as women want to believe they are capable of the work men do, they generally don't have the strength, physical drive, or determination as males do.
Which is why very very seldom do you find women working up on super high towers, in super dangerous mines, or any place that is generally dangerous or gross. *yes there will always be a tiny few who do, but they also don't get as much of the work done. It's just not possible strength wise.
Why do women try and be like men , which in turn really makes real men turned off and very disinterested.
Then again to many young guys are so wimpy that maybe they appreciate that.
The e ml calculated and effeminate will fall in love with this idea.
So you tell me what type of male your into and that will determine your future male.
I have female employees and treat them just like the male employees 🤷♂️
I've always believed that any kind of household chores, laundry, etc should be done by the guy in the relationship.
Women are for things like taking care of babies, cooking for the family, cleaning the house... Etc.
Men are for physical labor and leading businesses.
not really.
however some types of jobs can be done easier by one sex over the other.
Nah, it's a bullshite concept, do what you wanna, if you can do it, basicly you do you, not what other people tell you you should do
Yeah I guess. Womens work is giving birth, mens work is the eternal vigilance of watching out for anything coming at them below the belt.
It’s rare to see a woman do the heavy lifting in any physical work. They have been good support but not the main lineup.
Women are weaker get over it. Women are better nurturers. Men take more risks.
Women, nurturers -rolls eyes-
@Cocacolaaddict man you are ignorant.
Am I your the one who actually still thinks women are nice soft fragile beings you should meet women a bit more ignorance is a lack of knowledge I'm speaking from my experience which ignorance which is the opposite your one speaking from your own lack of knowledge so no the ignorance is all yours
@Cocacolaaddict can women consistently pick up and move heavy objects? No, they can’t. None of the BS you spout in a classroom or living room changes that.
Who said that they can? I sure as shit didn't. your assuming that because I opposed one of your points that I'm of the other mindset that women are as strong as us and can do anything men can do. that's bollocks women are weaker than us and should ideally be nurturing and caring instead. Yet instead of nurturing and caring like they are biologically supposed to do. (just like men are biologically supposed to provide and protect) hence the increased muscle mass, women are not caring supportive or nurturing they are manipulative deceptive and lack compassion. they are usually man haters or if not at least harbor some resentment towards men they see us as robots and tools and when we suffer they do not care in fact it either disgusts them or they lose respect for him. women are not nurturers or supporters or carers and neither are they providers or protectors they don't do either
@Cocacolaaddict perhaps the 20 year old of today is like that but not women that I have known.
Not just 20 year olds its majority of women
Yes, because of the ideological differences between men and women generally. Men often chose more danderous fields and women tend to chose more nurturing and educational fields. Making those fields "men's" or "women's" field
In my different careers I've seen some men whine like overbearing girlfriends and some women act like they're ready to remodel Stonehenge. I don't really care otherwise as long as they don't bother me.
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