Young men of today have to pay for the sins of the old white knight!

[Anonymous]

Whichever side of the feminist vs MRA kvetching you are on, you have to admit that there is a lot of discontent surrounding gender issues (in the western world), today.

I won't put on the broken record and elaborate upon these gender arguments. Instead, I want to mention my hypothesis as to what is an often overlooked root of some gender conflicts of today: white knights. I have become convinced that white knights, especially the old farts carry some kind of guilt from the past.

To me, a white knight isn't limited to a moron trying to get brownie points for sex. I consider a married man that actually believes what he says when he demonizes the male gender as a white knight. The same goes for a divorce court judge that gives away everything to the woman, facts be damned. That's a white knight with authority. One of the worst kind. Very often, the older the white knight, the more irrational and absurd their mentality.

I had a professor in college that layed down the hammer on anything that resembled the slightest criticism on the altruistic perfection of the female gender. The girls could brutalize effigys of the rapist-male all day long, but the moment I suggested that indoctrinating boys to be obsequious to girls was counter-productive, it was a red alert. At the end ofo the day, the typical response to that was nothing but stupid, knee-jerk reactions and thinly veiled aspersions which wouldn't hold the test of time.

And try getting anywhere at a divorce court judged by some self-righteous, biased buffoon white knight. In many cases it appears that it doesn't matter what you say or do. It's the man's fault and he has to pay up and/or lose access to children because the "hero" with state violence behind him says so. And then paternity enforcement? This is basically the gist of that:

With a typical, programmed response to that being "don't want kids, gentlemen? don't have sex!" Would that have the same effect in reverse? "Don't want to be forced to carry a pregnancy, ladies? Don't have sex!" I'm sure that would go over well, right?

I even remember in 10th grade, some girl simply suggested that I was staring at her ass, and that was as good as fact to some piece of shit male teacher. In school, boys are also encouraged to bugger each other senseless, because we are stupid brutes, after all. Your purpose as a male role model is to either harass the troublemaking males into submission, or to harass the decent ones into toughening up, so they can keep the troublemakers in line, in the long run.

Back when the show Mad Men was reality, when quaalude-rape and ass-slapping the secretary were just terms of endearment, these scum had the time of their lives. The rapist Bill Cosby trashing on these 'no-good punks' of today not respecting women. This fucking cunt drugging women and raping them as a hobby, lecturing anyone on how to act? I can just imagine these old farts in power slapping their secretary's ass, back when they could, then telling us young men that we are disrespectful to women because we don't put ourselves over a puddle they can walk over, never mind our jackets. These old farts feel guilty and want to punish the next generations for the crimes they never saw any consequences over. Fucking assholes. I can just imagine some smarmy faced old white guy trying to be our daddy, lecturing us that we should "respect women". Fuck off, cunt. Us younger men never grew up under normalized rape. We don't think that way. Stop trying to shoehorn consensual drunk sex as rape. Stop trying to indoctrinate women that rapists are a tradition, so they need to engage all males with the fierceness of a harpy. Stop enabling the nonsense that overhearing jokes not directed at you warrant a sexual harassment case at the office. You old lechers abused the little women at the office in your day, now us young men have to live in some slow witted pseudo-matriarchy environment at work, walking on egg shells? It's the environment that has to cater to the women, not the other way around. After all, when a man has a disadvantage over other men, all of society suddenly stops to help him. Schools must cater to girls, and now they do. Boys are now failing more than girls at school. This is a fact. Those misogynist males should man up, right? Die. Listen, old men: rape and sexual harassment was your tradition, not ours. You pay for it, not us.

[bobbydigitaloa]

No Young men today are paying for the sins of current white knights who waste their time on social media telling the even most basic chick their beautiful. Messaging random girls creepy messages, or always siding with females on issues and bashing his own gender because he somehow thinks it will get him a girlfriend on here.

So fucking cringe worthy when I see it in majority of male populace on gag. Women by in large work collectively to shut down any negative stereotype thrown at their gender. Meanwhile men today will bad mouth and talk shit about their own gender and praise how AWESOME and PERFECT girls are because they think that's what girls want to here.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

I can agree with this that there is no unity among men.

[red324]

This explains a lot right here, no wonder even just the average girls stick their nose up at me. You're right too many guys give out undeserved compliments. Now at the same time, we have guys who will poke their dick into any girl that will give them the time of day. Which is why girls give us the bad reputation we have today.

[BigJake]

Most men are so hard-up and sick with jealousy of other men that they'll take any chance they can to pile on another guy. This is why men are falling behind women in nearly every regard, education, wealth accumulation, overall health, and mental well-being. No one is advocating for men at all, and anyone who tries to do so is invariably labeled a loser or a whiner. It needs to stop, and, as you said, the first step is to stop putting girls on a pedestal they don't deserve.

[Joc4Position]

That's true too.

[homper87]

I agree with this!

[HikerDude]

I would agree with this. I experienced this in my own home growing up. My father had the most cloying, overripe sense of White Knightism that I've ever seen in a man. He treated my older sister with kid gloves while treating me as a junior criminal who had to be kept in check with violence and threats thereof. My sister got into long, drawn-out arguments with him that would have gotten me a beating. My sister used to tell me I was getting fat any time I had an extra serving of mashed potatoes, but the one time I bagged on my sister's acne to get back at her, my father threatened to send me to a military school to straighten me out. After that experience, I came to detest white knights and their sad and myopic veneration of women.

[myTake Owner]

I was raised by a single parent and my mom was the same way. I marked high in aptitude tests when I was very young, so I was nagged and harangued by her because she thought that's what I needed. My sister got treated like porcelain.

[Mysterio421]

We can thank the single mothers, the sexual revolution and the extreme feminists for this. A lot of guys are raised by single mothers that don't have dads. So they grow up being feminine if you will. by the way, children raised by women are more likely to be criminals. People today always play the victim and don't accept responsibility. This is the result. I am tired of hearing the deadbeat dad nonsense. You know what, WHO PICKED HIM? They didn't think about that before he stuck it in. Now someone else has to pay for that? Not me, I can tell you that right now lol.

[myTake Owner]

I was raised by a single mother, and I utterly rejected that idea by my late teens.

[DodgersGM]

Okay, so I agree that men who regularly denigrate their own gender are very strange. I don't take them seriously, and to be honest I kinda feel sorry for them because they're fighting a losing battle.

At the same time, though, your cartoon about pregnancy is irrelevant to this mytake. There is really no such thing as paternity enforcement. When you have sex as a man, you understand that there are risks involved. She could get pregnant, and she can choose not to terminate the pregnancy. That's just a fact of life and no amount of complaining about it is gonna change anything.

[myTake Owner]

No amount of complaining is going to change slavery, or segregation, or child labor! Just live with it.

Listen, just because you accept the status quo that I have very succinctly presented, where women are the only ones that get to make a choice between abortion and forcing the man to pay, it doesn't mean you have some golden halo of altruism around you.

[DodgersGM]

Comparing pregnancy and a woman's body to slavery, segregation, and child slavery? Seriously?

So what alternative do you propose? That a man should have power to decide if a woman aborts or not?

I mean, it's her body. You cannot force her to have a child (or not have a child) against her will. Is it 100% fair 100% of the time? Probably not. But that's how nature designed things, so there's no point in complaining.

[myTake Owner]

If she wants the baby, and he doesn't, he shouldn't be on the hook. There it is in plainer language.

[DodgersGM]

Eh, life ain't black and white like that, man. Just like the woman who has a ONS and gets pregnant without ever knowing who the father is. That's not fair to her either, but it is what it is.

[myTake Owner]

Two wrongs don't make a right. You're saying a woman failing to use protection and refusing to abort an unwanted pregnancy is the same as a man having to pay child support despite fraud. A man in a ONS is not going to impregnate a woman on purpose. But when a woman gets pregnant against a man's wishes (fraud), he's still on the hook. You're right that it's not black and white, it's right or wrong.

[DodgersGM]

Who said anything about fraud?

Look, if a pregnancy happens accidentally then that's just tough shit. Both genders are on the hook for it.

If a woman tricks a man into impregnating her, then that's a different story. But this is the first time you've mentioned that scenario.

[myTake Owner]

Maybe I didn't implicitly mention it, but I implied it. It has been mentioned in other comments.

So, speaking about fraud, the law does't discriminate between fraud and accidents. In fact, there is no judicial effort to even recognize which is which. What the woman says is truth™.

[myTake Owner]

In France, even paternity testing has been banned. I'm sure many of the arguers on these comments would like that to happen in this country.

[ThisDudeHere]

Bravo, sir. Bravo. The truth has been spoken.
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[ObscuredBeyond]

Clearly, the term "white knight" has undergone a change of meaning. Because it used to mean just a man who will come to a woman's rescue if he sees the need to.

I'll still protect a woman if she's evidently in the right. But will come to the man's defense almost as quickly if I feel he's the one being wronged. Attitude is usually the big giveaway to me as to which party is guilty.

Yeah, I'll defend a woman I'm attracted to more assertively. But if she's clearly wrong, I'll also correct her privately and respectfully. What color knight does this make me?

[Jager66]

A typical White Knight.

This is why,
" Attitude is usually the big giveaway to me as to which party is guilty. "

it's feeling based not fact based and vulnerable to huge amounts of manipulation.

[ObscuredBeyond]

@Jager66: Exact words used indicate attitude as well as tone of voice in a verbal confrontation. The problem with the modern usage of "white knight" is that it implies hypocritical misandry and a cynical longing for a sexual reward. A more traditional knight will inquire a little deeper before passing judgment. First priority is restoring the peace. Second priority is seeking justice.

[Jager66]

I stand by what I said.

[ObscuredBeyond]

@Jager66 : Which is an emotion-based reaction of pride. But at least you're frank about it.

[Jager66]

Nope sure isn't. I don't know anything about you, will never know you, couldn't care one way or the other how you live your life or what you believe. The subject matter of this conversation has ZERO to do with my identity, someone I say hello to while walking my dog will have a bigger impact on me.

Seems to me like you are a classic case of projection, I submit that it is you who fits this criteria;

"Which is an emotion-based reaction of pride. But at least you're frank about it."

[GirlsLie]

I agree with a lot of your points. I can't understand why people don't realize that "white knights" don't actually respect women. They think if they favor women, even in situations where women are blatantly wrong then they have a chance at getting laid, that's the complete opposite of respect.

The only one I don't really agree with is the abortion point. Whether or not it's morally right or wrong, women need to have more say in pregnancy because it directly impacts their health. Both people should take responsibility for a pregnancy, I think men just have to be smarter in certain situations because their end of the responsibility falls sooner rather than later. It's just that way because of physical differences.

[myTake Owner]

I could use that same argument in forcing paternity on men. You don't think that could impact their health? And if a doctor says a woman is healthy enough to give birth, it's a weak argument, anyway.

[GirlsLie]

Women would have to carry the child for 9 months and risk going through the same physical/emotional issues after the child was born, so they still bare more burden in the end regardless or at the very least risk a higher chance of baring more of the burden.

I don't morally agree that men shouldn't have a say but I feel like physically women need to have more of a say. Could you imagine the mess it would cause if men forced women to carry their children if they didn't want to?

[myTake Owner]

You're a woman and you feel women should have more say. No conflict of interestt there.

[GirlsLie]

Yes, because i'm a woman i'm therefore unable to have a logical thought. Also nice argument back, you really proved your point well.

[myTake Owner]

Keep telling yourself that. All you said is that a pregnancy might affect your metal health. As if being bilked in paternity payments for 18 years is the best thing for mental health.

[GirlsLie]

I said physical and metal health first of all, second payments are the responsibility of both parents, not just one.

[myTake Owner]

Yet only one can get forced into it.

[GirlsLie]

You're not forced into having unprotected sex, no one is.

[myTake Owner]

Circular logic. Women aren't, either, and you can't prove the mental health angle. That's just your speculation and excuses. And your dismissal of everything I said.

[GirlsLie]

How am I making excuses when I actually agree with what you're saying morally, you're just so hung up on the fact that someone disagrees with a particular aspect of what you've said that you're resorting to the "you're a woman so you think this way" crap and accusing me of making excuses.
I'm not making excuses i'm trying to figure out how your opinion of what should be done would actually play out if it was enforced.

[GirlsLie]

If you could give me some actual answers/solutions then I might agree with you on it as well.

How would you go about forcing women to go to a doctor, in order for the doctor to say they're physically and emotionally capable of having a child?

Who would pay for the woman to be on bed rest if the doctor ordered that? Some women can have perfectly healthy children/give birth but they need to be on bed rest for half of their pregnancy. If that happens and they don't want the child but the man does, then who is going to financially support her while she's on bed rest?

Also as far as the medical bills go, if she doesn't want the child and he does, then will he be responsible for all of the medical bills that occur?

[myTake Owner]

The solution would be to not force men to pay for children they didn't want.

[GirlsLie]

lol...

[gaaxure]

You sir, are a
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[RationalLioness]

It makes no sense to get someone pregnant and then say, "I don't want the kid" while expecting to be looked upon with favor. You made that choice to not put on a rubber (unless if she poked holes in your rubber). There are plenty of guys who get cold feet, I do understand, but you still participated in the act.

Also, there are guys who PREFER to shower women with everything from head to toe (white knights). Seriously. There's a group on another site with tons of men saying that they love to do this. That is fine. Every woman should NOT expect every man to do this though, because not all men are like that.

[RationalLioness]

Also, no. At some schools, it guys may be encouraged to act like buffoons---though why, I don't know---but I haven't ever seen nor heard about that, ever. Like another girl said, those guys don't do their work and act silly. There are plenty of guys who don't. Same as everywhere else. There isn't some mystical force or secret society that's planning on keeping guys dumbed down for women to succeed. Besides the stereotypes being reinforced in plenty of homes (Guys rough-house and play sports. That's what they do), there's enough evidence to support that plenty of guys are not as such and actually excel in plenty of areas (the majority of scientists and doctors ARE male, are they not?)

[myTake Owner]

You think all those guys that get suckered into paternity payments just forgot to put on a condom? Wow.

[RationalLioness]

Someone lacks common sense. Who said that? I clearly said that there are women who try and trick men as well.

I dont feel sorry for any man who chose not to wear a rubber and gets stuck with making payments. shouldn't have been stupid.

[myTake Owner]

Sorry to tell you this, but the law doesn't differentiate between 'women trying to trick men' and 'oops, forgot comdumb'. THe payments are forced, either way.

[Crazyced]

So you're pro-life I hope.

[Anpu23]

My biggest issue with forced paternity is when a woman rapes a man, then carries the baby and expects child support. The current legal justification is that the child is innocent and deserves to be supported by the man, even if he had NO DESIRE in creating that child. It's a double victimization, and it's the current law.

[Bluemax]

@Anpu23
I only know of this happening once. Has it happened more than once?

[Bluemax]

The asker is right insofar as the law makes no distinction between people who don't use birth control and people who were tricked. The law also makes no distinction about people whose birth control failed.

If a woman decides to go ahead and keep a child when the father has made it clear before the child is born that he doesn't want or love the child, the mother is responsible for the child growing up in a single parent household, since the decision to have it and keep it is 100% hers.

[Anpu23]

@Bluemax Yes just google it, and you'll find many cases, most of them are statutory but still legally rape see: www.usatoday.com/.../
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermesmann_v._Seyer
and a case of actual rape:
www.tampabay.com/.../1183449
This issue hit's home to me, as I was abducted and held for 3 days by 3 women. Though I actually only had forced intercourse with one of them (hard to claim consent when you are handcuffed to a bed) I can't imagine getting child support papers from her. I never reported it, and would have no way to prove lack of consent, and according to case law that wouldn't even matter.

[RationalLioness]

@Bluemax i disagree. He does not get off scot free because he chose not to wear a rubber. Thats idiotic and would cause more problems.

Use basic reading comprehension, MyTake Owner. I didn't say the law differentiated. I stated. That a loser who irresponsibly has sex deserves to be punished if the baby is kept.

But there are some new age male contraceptives coming. Lets see if that helps the issue.

[SIGguy]

Conversely, she could've said no.

[myTake Owner]

The ironic thing is that the guys that go around screwing without protection are the ones that have no money to take from.

It doesn't matter how many hypothetical guys without condom you think you're nailing. The reality is that paternity fraud is the bulk of paternity payments, in cases the man never wanted a child with the mother. Your solution? Just ignore it till male birth control happens. You're supposed to win people over with that attitude? Never going to happen.

[Bluemax]

We don't disagree as much as you might think, rationallioness. I too do not think the man should get off scott free. I believe he must pay child support.

If he forgot to wear a condom, he is only 50% responsible for the existence of the child. However, whether or not he wore a condom, or if the contraceptive failed, or whatever, if they aren't married, and he made it clear before the child was born that he doesn't want the child and will not love the child, then it is ENTIRELY the mother's fault that the child grows up in a single parent household, since it is (and should be) ENTIRELY her decision to have the child, and is ENTIRELY her decision not to give the child up to adoption.

Should the man be forced to be in the child's life, beyond paying money? Should the man be forced to love the child? How do you propose to do this?

[John_Doesnt]

We all have to pay for the sins of what our ancestors did. It sucks, but the only real way to overcome it is to be really ballzy about it and say "Fuck everyone who wants me to be punished because of what some punks did before I was born". Is it really worth it to be politically correct in order to please a bunch of butt-hurt politically correct feminists? No! There's 3.5 billion women on the planet, so if a few don't want to talk to you then ignore them because you don't need them.

[Hezigrimm]

These men who were thought as "gentlemen", which they weren't, are actually trying to keep you from being the idiot jack asses they were, which in all honesty isn't really working, and teach you how to acctually be a gentlman. Anyways it all boils down to respect, and no one in this day and age has it for anyone at all. Not even themselves. The thing about this so called women have it easier in school makes me laugh. I had the exact same opportunities as they did. I just chose not to take them.

[Joc4Position]

I'm surprised I didn't write this... no I'm GLAD I didn't write this. This is perfect. I couldn't have wrote any better. 100% true.

[Anonymous]

I think it's feminism vs anti-feminism. I don't think MRAs are really the other side of that coin. Also, it's at a point where any criticism of feminism counts as anti-feminism, so I'd say a lot of it is feminism declaring war on everything and making enemies rather than having natural enemies. Like if your campaigning for equality then why would you have a problem listening to the ideas of MRAs? You wouldn't unless you're a cray feminist.

[RationalLioness]

Because plenty of MRAs are sexist. I've went to numerous websites and while some of them had good points, the rest were bigoted.

[Opinion Owner]

@RationalLioness I didn't find bigoted opinions, but either way there is absolutely no shortage of retardation coming from feminist activists.

And even if they seem bigoted, it's the only the rights they campaign for that need to hold up.

[RationalLioness]

Then you aren't reading with an open mind. There are irrational people in all ideologies so your point is?

By bigotry, i mean asinine assumptions like your first post. You said "If you dont listen to the MRS, you are a crazy Feminist". Nonsensical especially since there are nonFems who tried to hear them out and didn't like them.

Its also crazy how many people are using anecdotal evidence to support their argumeny which shows bias.

[Opinion Owner]

@RationalLioness My point was that MRAs and Feminists aren't natural enemies by design. Women's rights and men's rights are both aspects of human rights and needn't be in opposition. Thus is should have be said feminist/anti-feminist instead of feminist MRA because feminist/anti-feminist refers to the ideology and it's opponents, which isn't *necessarily* MRAs.

You can listen to people without agreeing with them and I would argue that's not what feminist activists typically do. My thing about the crazy feminist was that it was feminists who decided Men's Rights was incompatible with feminism, but I could make an amendment; it's not just cray feminists but anyone who dismisses MRAs as nonsense without giving their ideas any thought.

It's not that there aren't bigoted opinions but as a whole they aren't bigoted or sexist so don't deserve the label. It doesn't even matter because again, at the very least, if their campaign isn't sexist then their isn't really an issue.

[brain5000]

I found this an excellent essay that does a fine job of explaining why men should join the feminist movement - to ensure equal standing between the genders. Unfortunately not many men or women understand this is the goal of the movement. You might consider submitting this to jezebel. com and see what kind of response you get.

[brain5000]

Sorry, I wrote "genders" while I meant "sexes."

[Stephen10]

Only weak pathetic men who hate their own gender join the feminazi movement, a cult that hates men and destroys families.

[brain5000]

@Stephen10 The people you describe, who do exist in real life and practice what you suggest, aren't real feminists. OP is right to assert that men are also entitled to equality and dignity, and real feminists would agree.

[Stephen10]

Feminists never help with men's issues. If you believe n equality then you're an equalist, not a feminist.

[brain5000]

@Stephen10 I disagree, I think everyone claims to be an "equalist," just as many claim to be "feminist." The difference is that feminism has been around for 50 years, and "equalist" isn't even a real movement.

[Stephen10]

Feminism is a cult that promotes lies, deception, hatred, sexism, bigotry, double standards, hypocrisy, and bitterness, and you're a dupe for falling for it.

[brain5000]

@Stephen10 Not falling for the wrong version of it. Calling out the people who are distorting it!

[myTake Owner]

Actions speak louder than words. I wouldn't care what jezebel said. I'd care what their supporters did in their lives.

[brain5000]

I think we all agree about everything, it's just that people who have abused the concept of feminism have made the word a sore spot for some guys, and I can't say that I blame you. But they are wrong, not you, and you should go right out and call them on it.

[myTake Owner]

Kind of like the Nazis stole an Indian symbol. Doesn't mean you're excused in using it.

[brain5000]

Right - you need to call them out for what they are - poseurs. There are a lot of women now who claim to not be feminists. I would ask them "really? You want to give back all of the gains of the last 50 years and make women subservient to men? No woman can have any job outside of teacher and nurse? Routine 'Mad Men' smack-on-the-ass harassment? Is that what you want?"

[myTake Owner]

Seems more like you're trying to shoehorn your definitions unto others. It's true that words can be relative, but the people you describe as 'no true feminists' are not outside of definitions widely accepted in the mainstream collective thought. You are being an apologist with the classic "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

[brain5000]

Which of us is trying to shoehorn in a false definition? See a recurring word in the first few paragraphs here? It is "equal."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

[brain5000]

Again, I don't see why we are fighting each other over a word, when we basically agree. Call out the false feminists and tell them real feminists want equality. A lot of men want to force women back into the kitchen. I haven't seen you state that anywhere so far.

[myTake Owner]

The word is doomed, poison. You can't salvage it. If you think the prefix "fem" means equality, you are rationalizing, hard.

[brain5000]

I have Wikipedia. What have you got?

[myTake Owner]

An understanding of language syntax.

[brain5000]

I see you are beyond reason. The last word on this thread will be yours. Cheers!

[bluenose1872]

Cowards the lot of them. Too scared to stand up and say this is what I believe in so go fuck yourself if you don't like it. It's a big world. Why the hell do we all need to sing from the same hymn sheet? The world's in hell right now

[Anonymous]

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Many women are coming back to the idea of traditional gender roles and want a traditional man.

[QuestionMan]

Wow well written I fully agree.
I learned 2 new words today from your take obsequious and smarmy.

[Anonymous]

I work at a few schools and the reason more males are failing is because they don't do their work or come to class. Plain and simple. No one else's fault but the kids. Also it sounds like you don't want to learn from the past. Whether someone committed a crime or offence and wasn't punished for it but they tell you not to do it. It's because they don't want you to face the consequences. Basically like the program "Scared Straight".

[Stephen10]

The education system has been feminized and women get more help and support.

[Opinion Owner]

@Stephen10 Okay. So blaming women for an individuals lack of motivation is where the world has come to.

[Octavius]

"because they don't do their work or come to class. "

But the question is why?

[Opinion Owner]

@Octavius because they want to be on their phones and pretend to be cool by skipping class. Then when it's time for grades to go in the system they reappear begging to be passed. Wanting something for nothing.

[myTake Owner]

Yeah, that's why it happens. Also, women get raped for dressing too slutty.

[Opinion Owner]

@myTake Owner If that's what you want to believe then believe it. Spoken like someone who doesn't work in the school system.

[Bluemax]

I too work at a school system and I have been doing it for almost as long as you have been alive. I can't agree that it's as "plain and simple" as you're making it out to be.

[ScruffynateAK]

"The reason males are failing is because they don't do their work."
Would you at the same thing about women in STEM fields or would you say something like, "The reason females are less represented in STEM majors is because of a patriarchal oppressive system."

[myTake Owner]

@ScruffynateAK Funny thing about women in STEM. You know where women do the best in STEM? Iran.

[Opinion Owner]

@ScruffynateAK well you gotta pass your classes and graduate in order to qualify for the position. But if you rather not go to school and blame women for your problems then that's your problem.

[Scrambledagain]

The way some of you dudes go on about this shit is entertaining to say the least. It's like you gearing up for the female apocalypse or something.

[Bluemax]

I sort of agree with the child raising part. More on that later.

[Lonewolf_1296]

I just skimmed through it, the comparison is completely retarded about the deadbeat dad and the pro choice.

Abortions do not happen in married couples and if they do, they are so rare that the numbers are insignificant. And most of the times these happen because the guy behind it was a rapist, by no means looking forward to be a dad.

[myTake Owner]

Married couples? That's a very dumb comment. I can't decipher the relevancy.

[Lonewolf_1296]

I can't decipher that you're a trumper aka a republican aka not the smartest cookie.

[myTake Owner]

You're right, You can't. Nobody said anything about trump or republicans. Keep making yourself look like a fool.

[Joc4Position]

LOL. Take this down vote.

[Lonewolf_1296]

Keep yourself retardlican, it gives me then upper hand when it's about using your brain.