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Guys who blame feminists are weak. Feminism has little to do with the difficulties of male/females dynamics. There is a huge difference between feminists and resentful man-haters who call themselves feminist.
It's kind of ironic we have attitudes like that in a country where most suburban woman voted for trump, an unabashed misogynist. I doubt they even identify with feminism let alone practice it. MGTOW is mostly an expression of resentment because of some disconnect in relating to women. It's not a crime, we all have resentments but carrying it around for a lifetime is just self destructive.
I have resentments because I'm shy and that in and of itself can be alienating to others. I'm conscious of it and try to work on being more outgoing instead of getting pi$$ed at the world for not noticing me.
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If thats what you think MGTOW is you need to actually study it more. I don't agree with the concept of avoiding all women because that simply isn't natural or healthy and it is like just giving up even if that actually is the safest option in todays society. Are there hateful men who are simply angry women never notice them affiliated with MGTOW? Yes. But that doesn't descredit the actual message of the movement. MGTOW criticises not only feminism but western female culture because its toxic and men suffer very real consequences as a result.
@Iamanintrovert cool!
Whatever. 500 years from now, we'll all be dead one way or another and whatever direction it all goes, this won't matter anymore, the people of 2518 will have other things to worry about. I for one hate everybody, so I'm taking the family name and bloodline with me. I don't like the way things are going these days, and not just because of the man vs. woman thing, so I'm not putting children through this bullshit or participating in any of it to possibly have children in the first place.
If you don't others will. And they might not be as well educated.
Ok but what if you're still alive.
@JackalOfNar Who?
@Tomblebee Anyone
@JackalOfNar Meh okay.
@Tomblebee could be. hard to say without doing it.
It is an unfortunate reality that the attitudes manifested by many women these days will drive a lot of men to MGTOW. Today a lot of women are aggressive and compete with the men. This is counterproductive and will in the end create a toxic battleground of an environment which will produce no winners and will send the losers either to their deaths or running to places like MGTOW and feminism.
We will waste our whole life in this femiNAZI'sm and MGTOW stupidity, People should realize that shit happens, and you need to move on. Both Men and Women are stupid as hell who thinks all the men and all the women are same, if they have bad past experience with the opposite gender
Things like this just further proves how fucking divided and disastrous humankind really is. Sometimes I really think you and I were brought into consciousness and brought into existence onto the wrong planet, and become part of the wrong species. Nothing more we can actually do, just let them all hate on each other and fucking destroy each other since they only focus on such petty and unimportant things.
@JudgmentDay Exactly man !
Over 90% of rape allegations are false (DOJ and FBI stats). The rest of your pablum isn't worthy of a reply.
You’re such full of bullshit. Every source has false rape allegations at around 2-10%, no higher than other crimes. www.independent.co.uk/.../...tion-of-a8077876.html Why lie?
Yeah, like they know they're false, right right! I personally know quiet a few that were falsely accused. A lot of the false allegations come from divorce in order to gain custody of children. Hit me up when you have actual proof with factual evidence, not hearsay BS that came from them.
@ThisAndThat that’s all from factual evidence. The independent is a reputable newspaper. Wikipedia has a summary of all of the studies.
No, 90% of rape allegations are from women's mouth out, not evidence. And this makes another very good point. The police, the system, the courts and the juries, they will ALWAYS take the women's world over men's word when in fact women out lie men to a overwhelming degree. Sorry anon, you were correct in the first place and the DOJ FBI must have somehow got it right, my apologizes to you.
Statistics range from 1.5% to 90%, and with such extreme variation, it's hard to say much of anything about it (though a majority seem to rest around the 5% rate). Ultimately, calculating the rate is problematic because you have to prove negatives, which is logically problematic in most cases.
That being said, I think the greater concern is the court of public opinion. If a man is accused of sexual misconduct, he is likely to lose his job and be ostracized from society. Many of these accusations are claims about events that took place past statutes of limitations, or had no witnesses, meaning that the claims are cannot subjected to legal scrutiny. Also, due to weak slander laws, men accused in these situations generally have no recourse unless the claim is verifiably false, again, logically problematic.
The issue is not a male/female issue. The issue is a society that does not value the principle of "innocent until proven guilty".
I know which statistic you're referring to. First of all, it's not 90%, it's 8%, which is in the 90th percentile of unfounded allegations where the average is 2%. Second, it's not that 8% of the rape allegations are FALSE, it's that they are UNFOUNDED, which makes sense since rape victims don't prepare to be raped and presumably the only witnesses are the rapist and the victim, so it's nearly impossible to have "proof". The only reason it's as low as 8% is because rape cases don't even see court unless the victim has some form of proof, and that 8% is referring to actual cases. Most rape victims don't seek legal action against their rapist out of fear of retaliation or being further traumatized by the legal process which tends to treat the accuser as the one on trial rather than the accused the way it is for most other crimes. Because of this, the majority of actual rapists walk free.
That same report you're referring to also mentions that out of every 1000 rapes (actual rape, not accused), only 310 are even reported to the police, the most common reasons for not being reported are fear of retaliation, or the victim knows their attacker and wanted to protect them. Of those 310, only 57 will lead to an arrest, and of those 57, only 11 will see court. Of the 11 that see court, 7 will see a felony charge, but even with those convictions only 6 will actually be incarcerated. The reason for this is because rape is one of the few crimes where both the victim and the accused could be telling the truth. The victim WAS raped, but the perpetrator didn't realize that what they did was actually rape. The only way to try to fix this problem is to have better sex and consent education in schools. These statistics are from many sources one of which being Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, Bureau of Justice Statistics, National Crime Victimization Survey, 2010-2014
@jaimecoucher REAL "rape" is as rare as hen's teeth. 999 out of 1000 "rapes" are nothing but regretted consensual sex. Or flat out lies. I don't believe any claim of rape.
uh. there are women's-only spaces because of adversarial men like this. not sure how they're "dumb."
your heart is in the right place, but you're ignoring the fact that men who ascribe to mgtow see women as transactional, not as actual people. ex: they don't know how to have a conversation with women because they only see conversations as a means to sex, and then they get confused as to why they can't sustain a relationship.
I'm pretty sure those men don't want to sustain a relationship and their goal is only to have sex. Women, of course, don't care as long as they are getting the necessary attention they need to feed their ego. That's why there are all these jaded women everywhere. They can't or simply refuse to distinguish between a guy who wants a relationship and a guy who only wants sex.
No we see the act of dating more like a juggling act. If you can't keep a certain amount of quality traits then you don't cut it. The moment you drop the ball they leave and take half of your stuff. Women don't seem to be able to show forgiveness in marriage.
Thank you.
MGTOW looks like some covert population control at work. Must be Mark Zuckerberg and the social elites again... Or maybe just me?
It IS the " social elites " at work , brought to you by the House of Rothschild !! Zuckerberg belongs to the same Talmudic tribe. One " sheep " downvote already !
I feel like MGTOWs are defeatists. They could do as they please, but avoiding issues, as you've stated, isn't the way to fix them.
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Bravo! Bravo! (standing ovation) Bravo! Bravo! (tossing a rose on the stage)
Very well said!
I would imagine most women couldn't care less about the particular men who self-identify as MGTOW. After all, these aren't typically the perceived top 20% high-value men that women are after anyway.
What I hate about this as it makes it out like we don’t have any empathy.
@lilaqua but he's right women are only concerned about the high value dudes , no?🤔
Divorce is near enough 50% of marriages. Hardly a "sometimes"
MGTOW isn't a political movement, it's a lifestyle
The statistic is misleading. Let me enlighten you, little boy:
In the USA, the rate of divorce actually peaked around 40% in the 1980s and has been declining ever since. The National Survey of Family Growth indicates that there is roughly a 70% chance that a given marriage will last at least ten years.
Women murder their own babies. Women haven't "won". Men haven't stooped that low...
SOME men murder their babies too just like SOME women. Your generalising will get you nowhere.
@Cheetah23 men literally cannot have abortions. Women do though. So at least men haven't stooped that low.
... wow. Men can & HAVE told women to get abortions (to avoid responsibility, being a dad, paying for the child, etc). Don't be ridiculous, many humans stoop "that low".
@Cheetah23 false. Most women abort because they are cowards and can't face the consequences of their actions.
You can't argue with a dumbass ayee.. listen, there qre people out there who dont want the people they fuck to have their babies. Quit being protectove of a whole gender and understand that both men and women do horrible shit such as this. Not all! But some of each party
*are *protective
@Cheetah23 Yeah but men don't stoop as low as that. If you don't want babies with someone you shouldn't be sleeping with them but modern women will fuck anyone so I guess thats the reason.
Men HAVE stooped that low. I even no one. YOU don't. But others have.
@Cheetah23 In short, using abortion as a birth control or for convenience, which by the way is how the vast majority of women use abortion, is wrong. It's unnecessary and it's just makes women out to look irresponsible and murderers. This My Take is about bashing men. My argument is that men have not stooped that low. So this My Take is invalid.
Your point is invalid considering they HAVE stoopee thst low to tell a chick to abort. Regardless of the mytake's invalidity
@Cheetah23 and how many cases does that apply to? Seriously, how often do you think men force the woman to abort? It's probably quite rare.
It's not "quite rare". Defending people you don't know cause of their genitals is gonna get you nowhere.
@Cheetah23 Ultimately it's womens' choice, which means their decision to do it.
this is my answer
anyone who is MGTOW go die in a ditch
anyone who is a Feminist go die in a ditch
we are made to be together
GOD is above the dome
Jesus Christ makes the rules not any of you idiots
glory to my GOD above the dome
(ROCKET HITS DOME)
The first two lines reminded me of this:
https://youtu.be/S06nIz4scvI?t=48s
@ElvenMr Someone going into battle would NOT want to use up his ammo on obviously non-hostiles, and be caught short when the real shit hit the fan. Just saying.
@Curmudgeon that guy was supposed to be the drill instruction but instead Kubrick used R Lee Ermey who was originally the technical advisory. Genius choice.
*drill instructor
Most MGTOWs resent women for one reason or another. It's not always the same. I think shy guys become MGTOWs because of the shitty way girls treat them. The anti-feminist crowd pretty much hate everyone, not just women.
Really well said, well laid out and hopefully understandable for at least some of the men who haven’t completely succumb to their bitterness.
The approach I offered as a rebuttal in his argument is a way to fix it.. Don't like The fish? Find a new pond. I did and feel like I'm cheating fate every day now. My Own Way was not to retreat. It was to recruit a better player.
It's a legit point that people can't be too afraid to fail- not trying means you definitely fail. A rlationship not working out isn't the end of the world.
"- #METOO is a legitimate movement showing the universality of sexual assault and rape amongst women, It didn't start to claim all men are rapists."
It didn't start like that, but that's what it became and what it is now.
''Swearing off women does nothing but make you more bitter, and prone to generalise 50% of the population.''
No, being bitter is what makes someone bitter.
Thoughtful...
Doesn't really change the fact that the average man gets the short end of the stick in a relationship.