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I degree with mostly everything except your “Paying for dates” point. Both individuals are looking to pursue a relationship so both should contribute to it emotionally and financially.
I always offer to split the bill in any date regardless whether I lost/found interest because it’s the polite thing to do.
Now your reinforced point was
“You want her to be able to relax and enjoy her time with you don’t you? And that will be difficult if a girl is worried about the money she’s spending she did not plan on.”
I can definitely enjoy my time and be relaxed in the date even if I contribute to it financially. I can speak for myself I value every incredibly sweet man who is willing to pay fully for dates but you shouldn’t put up with this when both individuals are pursuing a relationship.
You don't seem to get the concept of equality of the sexes.
If you ask a man out for a date, should he pay? The person who does the asking should pay, that's equality.
If you're an MMA fighter and your five foot nothing skinny date is getting beaten up, wouldn't you do something? That's equality.
Do you think a man has the right to call you his property, and deny you the right to a bank account? (Because that was the case in the US until the 1970's. Women in Ireland weren't allowed to own a house until 1976, when I turned 10.)
People who can should protect people who can't, and that's not changed. You should appreciate the many things that have changed so that you can complain about "men not being men".
I'll post exactly what I did on another question in here.
I'm an Alpha and apparently ooze "toxic masculinity". I was raised proper to respect women who are deserving of respect which in my opinion is all women until the give me any reason to believe otherwise. I'll always hold the door open, help a woman who's having issues reaching something or trying to lift something too heavy it's not me trying to assert myself over them just being kind and courteous as I'd hope someone would do for my family. I have hunted and fished since I was 7 years old, play sports, drink beer, chew Copenhagen, own guns, drive a truck, work hard labor and will never shy from a fight or not voice my opinion for fear of being disliked. Outside looking in most of the time I probably look like a redneck but at the end of the day would do anything to help anybody in need be that man or woman. If I see a man putting his hands on a woman he better hope I can't get my hands on him, I'm not a violent person but will never back down from a fight or anything I view as wrong. I'm sure to some I may come across as a neanderthal but all in all I'm a well spoken, well educated man who can hold an intellectual conversation with you all while wearing camo and boots with a wad of Copenhagen packed in my lip
You're pretty funny.
"If a modern day man were forced to live out in nature due to their city being destroyed by a natural catastrophe or similar, many of them would simply perish within days."
And the cave men that would be excellent at surviving in that environment would be totally incapable of handling modern society. What's your point? Different environments require a different skill-set. It's like saying modern soldiers are bad at warefare because they can't do horseback archery like soldiers did 3 thousand years ago.
I'll tell you what happened females happened. a lot of women are attracted to those week ass metrosexual ass dudes that take more time to get ready that you do. The type of dude that's in the mirror more than their girl is. A man is supposed to be that rugged provider and protector bu y'all want him to get in touch with his sensitive side now he's to in touch with it. Lol Now y'all made that 70% of men now a days act like bitches. And guys dont hit me up on some bro why you actin like that type shit cause real men know I'm not talkin to them just that bitches actin like there men YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!!!
@bklynbadboy1
I like it😏
I like guys you
Your too much what do you like
Attitude similar to the cover of this.
Way Too Much for most.
We need to make you up one😀so it not just Too Much.
Lol okay cool
@bklynbadboy1
You got them delicate fellas all upset.
Bitching at me they should not have to pay for dates🤗. Thanks 😂
Lol really
Yesssss
Look... cranky dudes omg
Females are hilarious
Out of 30 men five or so have been like yes lots of whimps? 15% or something aren't butt hurt
Look up @bklynbadboy1
Flaks? I don't even know what he's talking about 😂😂😂
Damn girl can't pay for your own huh. Whoever asks who on the date I think should pay, but I'm guessing you don't think women should ask guys on dates lol. Regardless I always make sure I can pay for it, before I agree to a date. There's nothing wrong with offering, that means your responsible and you don't expect men to do everything for you. If you do your a dumbass.
You dumb need to go back to health class
Why do you feel the need to insult me? We just have opposite views. I don't understand the aggression and the demeaning I guess?
@Alpha09
Am I missing something? because to my knowledge we have never met. So to re-cant you just couldn't say I disagree and why you do , but also felt it necessary to be demeaning and rude for no reason but to simply be mean? becaues I don't know you.
If that's correct being mean to strangers won't make your life any better and if it makes you feel better to be cruel to strangers God and the APA help you dear
Did you read your own article? It's nothing but demeaning. If you can't take it don't dish it out. Your going to feel insulted by other people's opinions, it's called life. Welcome to gag:)
What's that have to do with you?😂
You a ladyboy?
No just someone who knows understands it's perfectly ok for women to take initiative. Nothing wrong with him paying for it and nothing wrong with her paying either. It's 2019 people can do whatever they want now, male or female. That's the beauty of progress.
I am really disappointed in you OP, and much of this site. You are a sexist, and you are a misandrist. It seems from your post that you are not an advocate or an ally for men, and you have chosen to objectify them.
I consider myself to be an advocate for Men's Liberation, and that means supporting men who choose to ignore tradition and just do whatever they want. They don't have to live for you, or do anything just because they suspect women at-large are expecting them to do it.
Not a single one of the reactionary opinions in this thread is worth addressing. I'm not going to give legitimacy to reactionaries of any kind. You live in the past and your ideologies will mostly die with you.
I agree with most of your myTake, so I'm going to talk about the things I don't *completelly* agree with.
I honestly don't expect men to pay for every time we go out, but I believe that for the first date, the one who did the asking out pays. Times have changed, now most of us work and get money, so that changes the structure of dates.
Long hair on guys can look very manly and attractive, but Justin Bieber is definitely not the manly type.
I respect your opinion thank you for being so polite about it😀
What happened to women being women? Most believe that saving yourself for marriage is "repressive" and being a "slut" is what they should do. Most can't cook, most that do flat out refuse or whine non-stop. Most want to compete with men in the workforce, rather than trying to find a good man to have a family with, and most consider the very notion of a housewife "sexists". Many curse, belch, fart, act like men, dress like men, sleep around, and wonder "where have all the good men gone"?
We want nothing to do with feminist brainwashed "modern" women. You want a real man? THEN BECOME A REAL WOMAN!
For a minute I thought I was almost going to agree - and I still do on some elements - but overall this is incredibly disrespectful. Basically you're complaining about how today's man is, but you would feel offended if a man talked about how terrible, slovenly, unwomanly, superficial, and sexually boring today's women - which they often are, yes.
No doubt, men of today have issues that even I don't like, but I can certainly tell you that today's woman is lacking a lot of value and finesse themselves, and is not worthy of being most men's crown either.
What happened?
Sixty years of Feminist/Marxist hate and gender insanity, to further the goal of the Communist Manifesto to destroy the family, because it is the basis of Western Civilisation.
After being rejected, fucked over, discriminated against, lied to and about, as well as Feminists vomiting hate over me every day, I am done.
Feminists and sundry other loons want to import the Third World and have group hugs with Muslims.
So be it.
I am a former army officer, I train/teach a martial art and I work full time in private security. I am the sort of man who they will piss on one day, then beg him to save their lives the next day.
After being kicked in the guts by women again and again, is this sheep dog going to defend them?
When the imported rape gangs come for the white women, I am going turn away.
Those strong independent women who do not need a man will be on their own.
Women, fish, bicycles, toxic masculinity and all that.
What's wrong with karl marx?
And not every women is "feminist". Do you men even know what feminist is?
I guess
@brittslitt I like Karl Marx🤨
It's not the man per se, it's the ideology of class warfare. And in modern times, it's warfare between social groups. It's cancerous.
@ericclayton see I'm not that deep. I was thinking I do a lot of masculin hobbies so I need a masculine guy or he will be very uncomfortable around me
See how wow girl one hand complains about men not being masculine enough, BUT on the other hand she is a marxist enthusiast. Of course she is. And she also wants to engage in masculine activities/hobbies. Like every marxist she contradicts herself from one sentence to the other.
She wants a masculine man, she will tell you to man up (in other words already calling the shots without being in any kind of relationship with you) and she will engage in masculine activities that strip her from her feminine nature.
@TheFlak38 you sound like a man scorn😂😂😂
It's okay not everyone can be Wowgirl dear
I am in all the masculine activities you couldn't cut it in as a man yes... I cage fight, shoot guns, and probably have a more masculine car... You caught me💪you caught the good girl
ROTFL Special Forces 2nd Parachute Infantry Battalion, sweetheart. I saw many cute men with vaginas like you fleeing to the doctor to get a sick leave and avoid a 20km march in full gear.
@TheFlak38 sweetheart? my gay friends say that when they are being sassy to me... I like it...
We can flex together and you can bitch some more too.
@TheFlak38 I don't know what Roftl means?
I play sports dude.
@brittslitt
those red shorts in the title picture are the best.
That's what I think 😎
The global elites (men in suits) want to decrease the population and tax women so they invented feminism as a joke... But was it really a joke?
@Full_Metal_Jacket da da da...🙂
Not necessarily just pride in being men, it's about not giving a shit what other people think about you.
As for paying dates, I have certain ways, of course I'll pay if I invite them. But if they are not exclusive, I don't owe them anything
Standing up for their women is expected and natural.
Modern men will die in nature... Good thing mankind is destroying nature.
Jokes aside, It's basic to know how to live in urban/natural environments in any event. If you can't adapt, you deserve to die, simple.
The Future is always something no one expects. As stated before, if you can't adapt, you deserve to die. No ifs ands or buts.
In the end it's all men's fault. All these dudes that hate on women are just sad. If you want women to want you then be a man, it's as simple as that. Certain historical circumstances have made it harder yes but that's no excuse when you're aware of your situation.
Thank you
oh, I see your angle...
Ok but you sound like a whining bitch? . Very un ladylike.
The moment hunting and vigilent protection ceased to be every man's occupation is when I stopped "paying for dates. It's not manly to sit at a computer desk 8 hours a day, and women are just as capable of earning a paycheck and maybe more capable of maintaining a sense of dignity while doing so. Don't blame these men, blame the decision to develop agriculture and capitalism and the television. These men you describe like women are also victims. Your idea of a real man comes from the pleistocine Era, since then we are all slaves to capitalist economies and just having muscles aren't a significantly effective means of earning money
Your a man calling a woman a bitch? I don't understand how that makes you anything but I pussy
A woman complaining about men sounds like a whiny bitch yes. There are still good guys to be found
I don't appreciate you not addressing my points at all and just calling me a pussy. I dnt give a shit if u call me a pussy. Call me a pussy, u still sound whiny in that take. Plus I agree with your points about most men, and I could say negative things about the majority of women too but I don't need to write an essay like u did cuz I kno there are good women too I've found a lot. Call me a pussy I really dojt care hahahahaha.
so my point is your take on men is just wrong and each point is also a criticism of modern women to a similar degree
My take on men is record setting actually baby
Haha OK I'm kinda proud of you... On second thought you make some decent points 😂. I was just messing with you, sorry I called u a whining biotch
Feminism took over.
1. It has permeated the schools , the media, the government , Hollywood
Men are vilified; we are made out to be rapists and perverts. We are made out to be buffoons. We are made out to be stupid.
2. Being masculine is seen in a negative light.
Being outspoken , adventurous , aggressive , headstrong, are now taken as "toxic masculinity" .
3. The traditional ways of a man courting/ flirting with a woman are now taken as stalking / sexual harassment.
Say something nice to the secretary at work and you could be metoo'd.
Ask a woman out and now it becomes sexual harassment.
Men created the world and yet we are all being demonized by the feminists because of the actions of a few.
I'm a woman and I support this message.
@BangersAndMash me too
I would classify this whole take as misandry. For all of those guys on GaG advocating men's rights: this is your chance.
Seriously, you're reducing men to nothing but a woman's personal bodyguard and money provider? How is that okay? They're people and they deserve basic human respect and being seen as a goddamn person.
I really think you're not very sane, after reading this.
You single?
@Gurkbert Nope.
Think what ever you want most females have agreed with me.
@Wowgirl30q
Most people in Nazi Germany agreed that Jews are subhuman, and that Nazism is the way to go.
Most people in the US at the times of slavery though that black people are dumb and don't deserve rights, and that they can be used for whatever they wanted.
Most people used to think the earth is flat.
Most people agreeing with you MEANS NOTHING.
You have mis read the situation, I fear. Just because a man has an obligation to be a woman's bodyguard at times DOES NOT IN ANY WAY MEAN that that is all they are. In logical debate, we call this a straw man. You have created something fake that that person never said, and you are arguing against that.
For some reason, something in this article causes you to disagree with it vehemently, and you are using this excuse to get people on your side. I'm sure you won't admit it, but you know I see right through you.
These are the things that happened to "men":
1.) Political correctness.
2.) Vigilante justice is apparently always a bigger crime than the actual initial crime.
3.) Nonsensical lawsuits are an everyday occurrence and also even encouraged sometimes.
4.) Safe spaces.
5.) The need to share male "feelings"... "openly and honestly". No more "brooding".
6.) If you're a guy, have short hair, or have long hair, or have no hair... I don't care... but man-bun should be illegal.
7.) Sorry (not sorry) feminazis and beta males... but with a willing woman, there needs to be more coming home by MEN, saying nothing except some grunts, picking her up, carrying her to bed, laying her down, having your way with her, and pounding her into total submission. 👍
You're welcome, Ladies. 😉
I think we need to have a look at the Roman man's idea of virility, not just physical strength, but high mental strength and security, confidence and honour. That's what we're missing. It's not entirely a man's fault though, the destruction of gender roles, oppression through education etc has caused this. My little cousin, a nine year old boy, hit another boy in the face for being rude to his sister, and he was suspended for that. At nine years old this would have taught him that standing up for what is right, is the wrong thing to do. What is wrong with us?
Some of us are still men. I still pay for dinner and open doors for a lady. I will still defend the girl I am with to the death. A man makes a bad comment about my girl will have one chance to apologize... and trust me he will apologize one way or another. Is being a man toxic? No! It’s the way it’s supposed to be. Feminists are wrong! Plan and simple. I am not saying that a woman shouldn’t get paid the same for doing the same job, they should. What I am saying is during the police academy we had to move a 150 pound dummy from one end of the gym to the other... I could throw that dummy over my shoulder and run with it. The woman in the class could barely drag it. Physically men and woman are not equal so we need to stop pretending they are. Men are on average stronger and women are smarter! Sorry if what I say sounds sexist but I think it’s more realistic. That’s my 2 cents.
To be fair , most people would die in nature. Our ancient ancestors were so much tougher than people now. I mean the human species on the line and out in the heat or freezing cold and snow and not having houses. And having to find food, no medicines and threats of dying so easily. Infections, you name it. And able to build and be resourceful and extreme conditions without clothes and having to kill animals to have the fur but not waste time and build huts or forts or teepees and shelters to stay warm.