Male-shaming revealed and reposed

[pavlove]

Ok, I'm about to crush it for the guys on GaG.

I'll just start as directly as possible: Women shame men in order to control them in the same way that men shame women in order to control them.

What do you mean by "men shame women in order to control them"?

Men shame women in order to control their sexuality by calling them "slut" "whore" and variations on those words. The lesson behind these labels is "if you don't sexually conform you will lose your value and we not love you." Men also control other aspects of female behavior such as teasing or insulting them for not being a "typical woman" i.e. if they can't cook, if they work all the time, if they're extremely messy, if they are domineering in any way. Again, this is often followed by a withrawal of affection by certain men.

So then what do you mean by "women shame men in order to control them"?

Similarly, women shame men--though this not often talked about and most men aren't aware that they are being shamed into conformity even when its glaringly obvious. At it's most blatent, a woman may call a man a "pussy." This carries the sting that slut would for many women. Women also tend to exploit a man's competitive insecurities by comparing him to other men who could potentially please her more or do a better job and this is often inferred rather than explicitly stated--creating a more devastating effect and drawing attention away from their own rather cruel motives and behavior. Often, women will only say, do, or strategicially "not say" something so that men eventually piece together that they think they're a pussy. By pussy, I don't mean to limit to a man being afraid, but any emotion or behavior, which is traditionally prescribed to a female, a woman will use to "shame" a man into conformity and, thereby gain control. More examples would include penis size, paycheck size, car, house, abs or lackthereof, inability to lead her, indecisiveness.

Another important point is that while men are threatened by sexual liberation in women, the very thing that led them to fall for the girl in the first place, women tend to be threatned more by...you guessed it, confidence, the very thing that led the woman to be attracted to the guy in the first place. What's behind these dual fears? The belief that they may find someone else/better with the strength of that which they fear will make them more attractive to the opposite sex. The irony is that women then are afraid of letting out their sexuality, which is very natural to them, because of shaming and men are, therefore, unsatisfied with their own sex lives and the women who can't give them what they want sexually. Men too are afraid of letting out their confidence, which is natural to them because of years of shaming by women that they "have no reason to be confident" that "it's not appropriate to think you can get any woman" to the extent that the modern man constantly doubts himself at every turn and finds himself between a rock and a hard place because if he is too confident he risks a woman "cutting him down to size," but if he's too meek he risks appearing too unexciting to women, and men usually choose the latter because it comes with less shame. And, of course, many women are in a similar dilema because if they are too sexual the man gets threatned and starts seeing her as a slut, but if she's too much of a church girl, he starts to find her boring and is sexually unsatisfied.

Oh, boy...another bitter woman-hater on GAG. Thanks for making me read all that you chauvinist a-hole. What was the point of all that?

The point is more for men to realize when male shaming or "beta-shaming" is happening to you. Realize that while society does grant you more power as a man than women get initially, there are many, many insecure women out there who don't want you to be confident except around them maybe, and will feel compelled by some strange desire in them to cut you down every time you start acting like you're the biggest pimp ever (even though acting like that is what initially excites them.) Your natural desire to be confident, be proud of yourself, and think you generally did a good job at everything is actually healthy and you have disconnected from it because you have been met with so much shaming everytime you tried to touch it. Once you return to your confidence, don't be suprised if women try to get under your skin and make you question why it is you should think you're so amazing. They have mixed feelings about it, which they cannot help. Ultimatly, you do not want a woman who is threatned or mean just because you are proud of yourself even if you "did nothing deserve that pride" and aren't special in anyway except you just for some reason do feel proud. Pride on, brothers, pride on.

Thoughts and comments appreciated.

[Kiwedin]

I don't think it's a gender vs. gender thing. Everyone shames. Women shame other women, men shame women, women shame men, and men shame men. If anything I've witnessed more shaming among a certain gender than coming from another gender. A guy in my class started tearing up once, and the guys started calling him a pussy. It was the girls who jumped in and defended him. Similarly, there were rumours going on about me that I had slept with my friend's crush (not true), but I was ostracized from the group. All the girls were calling me a slut and being super rude, but it was the guys that defended me since they knew the truth and they didn't see why the girls were so angry.

[molan]

Pride without due cause is a vice not a virtue, and the word pimp does not describe confidence but but rather the unpleasant cockiness or arrogance - nobody likes arrogance.

However, all in all your right some women tries to subdue men like some men do with women.

Such behaviours is not gender dependant but is based on bad personality traits.

[CootiesInfection]

Bitterbaiting is the new slut shaming. Slut shaming has become far less fashionable over the years but calling men bitter misogynist assholes who can't get laid has never been more fashionable.

Its just the kind of era that we live in. Think of anything even remotely exploitable, best believe people have already exploited the fuck out of it. People are exploiting calling people racist for money and jobs, just like they used to exploit racism for free labor. People are exploiting the very idea of misogynism, just like they used to exploit the perceived inferiority of women. Its not that we've somehow overcome the hurtles of racism and sexism, we haven't, in fact its gotten worse. Cause back in the day we used to have people exploiting just one side of the argument, now there's people exploiting both sides simultaneously, stepping back and taking a wider view of the matter and then exploiting that. The internet has just made everything worse, what is the internet if not a breeding grounds for mass shaming and exploitation?

You might be interested in looking up the idea of the synopticon and the panopticon. Metaphorically speaking, Facebook itself is a giant prison with all the cells facing one another so everyone is constantly watched by everyone else. The synopticon was just a theory back in the day, but we're basically living that reality now.

[bloodmountain1990]

Bitter baiting? Never heard of that. You mean to tell me that girls are saying guys who can't get laid or complain about it are just misogynist entitled assholes?

[CootiesInfection]

no i mean to tell you that girls are calling guys misogynist entitled assholes who can't get laid because it fills them with a sense of moral superiority, helps them win arguments, or just plain helps them exploit men's fears.

[CootiesInfection]

Just like slut shaming, rarely if ever does it actually have anything to do with sex. It has to do with inferiority complexes and exploitation.

[Arcano]

I do agree that there is a lot of "shaming" happening, and always to strike at what our society sees as the "ideal" or the gender. Men receive verbal insults aimed at their masculinity or competence (what a man "should" be), and women receive verbal insults at their appearance predominantly, or are attacked for stereotypical "kitchen" skills.

They all need to end. The word individual means just that-- individual. Everyone has their personal temperament; not all men will be "naturally" showing of confidence. That has nothing to do with being shamed. Can shaming cause it, though? Absolutely and unquestionably.

And as for being called "pussies," relating a man to what is "weak"-- women. I find it disgusting. This article unfortunately left out that the predominant group wielding such an insult are men themselves. The "alpha," "dominant," or "man's men" of our culture strongly enforce this to accomplish their goals; they simultaneously need more submissive men for things to function, but also hate anyone of their gender being easy-going, soft, or flamboyant. Hence the "no balls," akin to "pussy." Loathsome.
The number of times I have encountered in my life a woman using it negatively can be counted on one hand.

[GirlScoutsRevenge]

Finally FINALLY I see a whinge about dating and women and its actually positive and helpful and not just crying like a pussy (heehee, sorry couldn't help myself!). But seriously, I feel strange for saying this as I have no idea who you are but I am so proud of you for writing that. I hope a lot of guys listen to it and gain from it.

Personally I don't understand such horrible shaming tactics. I've been relatively lucky in that I myself don't like playing stupid games and my partners haven't seemed to either... but I am not everyone. I understand that people are crazy and do silly crazy things.

But yeah... Great Take.

[TryHard]

This doesn't sound like a women hating rant to me. I don't hear undertones of malice. I think you make some valid points, and where I have never had an issue in this area, I also never had self doubt when I was single, something new. Fortunately I do not suffer any loss of self confidence, however I do see this in a lot of my male friends that willing take a back seat to every argument and bend over backwards for nothing in return. I think this was a good post, I hope nobody misinterprets it for gender hating.

[Izzy2102]

At first thought this was gonna be good. You're right shaming someone is about power. But the rest of it is just kinda wrong

This whole be a man, don't be pussy thing is a very chauvinistic value, it quite obviously states that being a man is better. And it was in the time that saying originated from. It was/is a way of men shaming other men, presumably in an attempt, differentiate themselves from what they perceived to be the lesser. "to cry like a girl", "punch like a girl"...
So I thought it was rather interesting you choose that as an example here

[gonyr]

I read the meme and almost puked. Redpiller?

While this post wasn't as grossly red pill as most I've seen on the internet, what you've basically said is some people treat you like shit and others haven't. There's really no reason to divide this post into genders.

[Arcano]

Exactly. He separated the genders, as if there were going to be discussion on the stereotype and insults they each receive, but it really just came down to men being "controlled" by women. This "pussy" and "no balls" stuff is predominantly being spewed by men at men.

And though I disagree with any such "shaming," the OP's meaning for this post was lost. All I walked away with was that people can't naturally be confident or unconfident; it is apparently and wholly decided by genitalia and governed by the opposite sex.

[pavlove]

Not wholly, but they male gender is having their natural confidence stifled by women. This is one of the reasons there is a crisis of confidence among today's men and yet women are confused why men have a hard time being secure. The takeaway should be that men should be aware of how the women around them try to stifle their confidence, because SOME of them find it threatening. It's not to condemn women, it's just to make men aware of something that's happening that they may not notice because when a woman tears you down it's often times more subtle than when another man literally calls you a pussy. I forget which pill is which, but the meme was intended to say that a lot of men get told they're not "Drogos" but when they try to act like them, SOME women will shame them for it, so they'll go back to being a "beta male" because they have no confidence. Again, this is just one factor for the crisis of confidence in today's young men.

[gonyr]

But you say men do it to women too. So your point is some men are assholes and some women are assholes. So some people are assholes. And I agree. I'm just saying it's not exactly ground breaking

[gonyr]

Also, the terms alpha and beta male are ridiculous

[Arcano]

No one should be a "Drogo," and no one should ever want to be one. I have only read the first Game of Thrones book, but if people are defining a "Drogo" by that character's behavior in it... they would all be brutal criminals and rapists; they would not care about the autonomy or rights of women. Don't ever aspire to that. If Khal Drogo is the hero of these people, then there is something fundamentally, severely wrong.

To repeat, any belittling of people, any insults aimed distinctly at the genders to tear them down - receives no support from myself. I am the first person to speak up in defense in real life. But I really don't think there is some agenda... the population of women are not scheming on making men feel inferior, to make themselves feel superior; nor are men.

What gonyr said is correct: Some people are assholes. Assholes are assholes. Assholes do this shit. You know one when you see one; they're usually very easily recognizable. They only represent themselves.

[pavlove]

I could talk about everything you just said, but for the purposes of this post I'll just address the last paragraph when you say "you know one when you see one." While this is not true for all women (which I state) a lot of men actually don't realize when they are being made to feel like an inferior male by some women in particular because the approach is more subtle and can come from even their own girlfriends who may not even be aware how small they are making their boyfriend feel.

But, I think we actually agree. The point where we diverge is you want to keep all assessments on a case by case, person by person basis, and I want to make assessments on cultural trends on a larger level such as gender, so that I can help other men out there who, like me, are trying to navigate the different aspects of the masculine experience, but do what works for you.

[Prettykangaroos]

I just feel like everyone wants to be the victim these days. Everyone wants to be the minority, everyone wants to feel as though they're being singled out.

You know who's actually in the minority? People that AREN'T getting shamed for something.

[OHGEE]

Bingo!

[pavlove]

I could see your point if I was just complaining, but I'm saying there is a solution, which is simply to be aware when someone is trying to shame you. I don't think that's victim thinking it's just becoming aware...

[ranma187]

I love you.

[Prettykangaroos]

@ranman187 haha, I don't know you but I love you too!

[cipher42]

It's not just men versus women or women versus men though. Men and women control the behavior of people of their own gender by "shaming" them too, because societal gender roles are so deeply engrained in them that they think it's right. We can't make this about a war between the genders. Toxic masculinity is harmful, but it's not only women who perpetuate it. In fact, in many situations men play a larger part than women.

[Kiwedin]

True, I've only ever witnessed men calling each other pussies. The girls were the one's saying "leave him alone" to the guys.

[Song4TheBroken]

You've seriously never heard this from women too? On this site alone, how often do you see the girls saying how guys should have to be 'manly' or other such drivel?

[Song4TheBroken]

@Kiwedin that comment was for you by the way.

[cipher42]

@Song4TheBroken: It's a question for her, but I'll answer as well. I have literally never heard a female in real life actually use the word "pussy" derogatorily in reference to a guy. However, I have heard it from men. The same goes for the word "gay" as an insult. So perhaps it may happen online, but certainly in real life it's a much larger issue between men only, at least where I live. Also, I actually remember a question on here about a guy getting raped, and there were far more females who thought a guy could get raped than there were men. Funny, that. I'm not saying females don't participate, I'm just saying that I actually see it much more often from men to men. I just don't think this should be an "us vs them" sort of thing, which a lot of men (particularly MRA types) like to make it into.

[Song4TheBroken]

Hi cipher i just realised/remembered who you are, you're one of the few people on here that i can actually speak logically to lol. But yeah i agree that it should not be an 'us vs them' issue, that sort of mentality is the reason why such gender stereotypes exist in the first place.

[Sbsbdicjf]

Men don't play any larger part than a woman does. Get that! Both genders are to blame and since it's unreasonable to assume a statistical analysis can be done regarding who shames who more, it would be irresponsible to assume men play a "larger part than women."

[Mustachekitteh]

The worst shaming I did was about the guy's dick size. Which now that I look back. I feel really bad for it. ;( I've gotten better at being less of a bad person. The guy I'm with now you couldn't push him around. He doesn't put up with anyone trying to control him. He thinks in a very logical way. So anything that isn't logical to him he doesn't care about it. Sadly this is the first guy I've ever known to think this logical.

[Anonymous]

I can't take anyone seriously who still clings to the idea of alpha males and beta males. You don't have to have passed a biology class to know that is horseshit.

You barely have to have watched 30 minutes of National Geographic or Animal Planet, to know it's horse shit.

[Man_Over_Game]

TL;DR : Sexual insults to men are just as destructive as to women, but go unnoticed. Don't be bothered by it, regardless of your gender and keep being awesome.

[aamy811]

I thought this was a brilliantly written article. Once we get rid of stupid gender roles that define what being a man or woman is then words like slut or pussy won't be nearly as attacking

[damien98]

lol, what a generalist bullshit „revelation“. If this is what you experience besides from bad movies in your actual relationship and tolerate it, no pity, sorry.
yes, some men may say so, and so do some women. but if this happens in a relationship, the woman could get her stuff and go, because it means she lost any respect. being in a relationship with someone who acts like that is simply pointless. but i guess you are just a bitter troll and/or watched too much tv. please stop posting your incel crap.

[Eugene]

You know, every time when I read an article like that from someone in Europe/America, I can't really hold myself not to laugh.

I mean, it took you guys decades to figure this one out.
Now I just wonder if it's a bit too late for you (plural) or you still have a chance to get your balls back.

[dartmaul15]

oh, there's always the chance to get the balls back.
The question is just how violent it will become.

[Eugene]

@dartmaul15

No offense to a neighbor, but I think men in Norway lost their chance to get them back long time ago. You know, after establishing pussy work quotas and whatnot...

I can only see it happening when muslims will take over Norway, but then I guess once-great Norway will cease to exist after that.
Kinda sucks, I liked your viking culture :(

[dartmaul15]

@eugene oh great, russians. yeah, our politicians are pussy whipped. But they're too slow and stupid to act on the whole "feminism" fad. Plus, the "pussy work quota" as you put it was a good idea. Gives us some eye candy when we're at work too ^^
And there exist a norway in the innland, you know. That's where the vikings are, not in the cities.
If you want to know how things will look when the real norway is fed up with the bs, look at how sweeden is solving the muslim problem up north.

That's what i meant with "the question is just how violent it will become." Because when one has had enough, you simply remove the problem. And in the case of feminism, men are physically stronger. So a potential fight would be fairly short...

unpopular opinion, but it's the truth. If you remove the ability to change something peacefully, you're only forcing a violent change

[Eugene]

@dartmaul15

I understood what you were trying to say, but I guess you haven't thought that by the time men "will have enough", a generation or two will pass and by that time men will be way too sissified to say something, let alone cause an unrest. A generation of men raised by women so to say. That's the current goal. Have you ever thought of that?

Take a wild lion, put him in a zoo when he'll be fed few times a day, taken care of etc, and after a decade or so release him into wild back again. You think he will make it?

When it comes down to pussy quota, I think it's rather stupid to put someone in charge not because of skills/wits/determination, but because apparently that person has a vagina. You probably won't see a negative effect instantly, but in a long run it will backfire. That is my personal opinion though.
Besides, if it would've been so awesome, Norwegians wouldn't outsource jobs that require very high education (such as IT area) to Russia :P

[dartmaul15]

@eugene maybe... maybe not. We'll see. All i know is that the innland norway will be fed up with the feminism bulshit looong before the feminism bullshit gets power.

You know what? just get rid of putin and all the EX KGB people you got leading you, then maybe USSR won't look as bad. okay?

[Eugene]

@dartmaul15

If we will get rid of him, our enemies will roll into the country like a boss. Not literally with guns blazing (although that's not impossible), but more like in late 80's and 90's, when we had pussies for leaders and will rip a country apart from the inside.
I heavily support Putin in what he does and how he acts.

[dartmaul15]

@eugene i don't. Looking at it from the outside world he's batshit crazy. Yes, he's a strong leader, but he's making a lot of bad moves. Like this whole chrimea bullshit, and the anti gay crap.

Bad ideas both of them. He's strong, and wrong.

[Eugene]

@dartmaul15

And what is wrong those 2?

1.) Crimea was ours longer than USA exists. Then it was just given to the Ukraine as a gift by a general secretary Khrushchev in 1954 (along with those who lived in there). Basically it was to gift of a region (Crimea) to a region (Ukraine) that was inside the country (USSR). As soon as coup started in Ukraine and legal president was overthrown with extreme violation of constitution by far-right Nazis, people living in Ukraine refused to recognize new government and decided to claim independence. If you're referring to our troops in there, we had a contract with Ukraine to have a military base in there and had a right to have up to (I think, although I'm not sure about exact amount) 10,000 troops that may act accordingly in case shit hits the fan. I think a coup is a good reason to 'act accordingly". Besides, not a single person inside the Crimea complained about it: google up "polite people".

[Eugene]

@dartmaul15
Besides, if you look at what was happening, people were actually greeting our troops. Have you ever seen, let's say, Arabs greeting American "liberators"? if they were unhappy with the new illegal government and decided to claim independence, and you disregard what they want, doesn't it sound like a fascist thinking?
Additionally, EU has banned it's citizens to enter Crimea (google it up). Have you ever wondered why? Maybe because people will start asking Crimeans how they feel about their return and will figure out they are actually happy?

2.) Banning education about gays in schools makes sense: you know why kids can't vote? Because they cannot make up their own mind and are easily influenced. Right now it's unclear how early exposure to perversion will affect a child's mental health in a long run when he will become an adult and we don't really feel like having such experiments on our kids. You can run them on your kids, I don't really care, but leave our kids at peace.

[dartmaul15]

@eugene the past doesn't matter, nor how the peoeple reacted.
1. It is a part of the supreme state of ukraine.
2. That makes it by definition an invasion.
sure, if people WANT to be a part of ukraine, then fucking VOTE over it! Use the democracy!
Tanks and machineguns won't get you anything but a second cold war.

This is called politics.

[Eugene]

1.) People have a right to riot if constitution is violated (could be different in Norwegian constitution is violated). To throw away a president an overwhelming majority of parliament members must vote for it. Less than half voted "for", but president was overthrown anyway by brute force. That's a clear violation of constitution, therefore newly formed government was illegal. If a government doesn't give a shit about the law, why simple citizens that are concerned about their safety should?
Saying "it doesn't matter how people reacted" is fascist statement.
2.) There was no invasion, since we had a long term contract to be allowed to have loads of troops in that area and military bases. In case (according to contract) if shit hits the fan, we had a right to defend out bases. A coup classifies as "shit hit the fan".
3.) Exactly, vote: if it wasn't for our troops in there, newly formed Nazi gov in Ukraine would never allow them to vote to begin with and your media would say nothing.

[Eugene]

@dartmaul15
Forgot to tag your name ^^
Damn, they should allow to have more characters.

[dartmaul15]

@eugene indeed, shit hit the fan. and it would've been a lot better if both russia and the west decided to just stay out of it...
internal conflicts turned into a clobal conflict

[Eugene]

@dartmaul15
You really think that was truly internal conflict? :)
We both know who truly staged that coup.

[dartmaul15]

@eugene yes... a president who suddenly turned its back to Europe out of the blue and looked east... something just doesn't add up there.
Why did he do it? What reasons could he have to go against the people?

[Eugene]

@dartmaul15
From our side: we were giving insane gas discount (and closed our eyes that they were stealing gas for more than a decade that was meant to go to Europe through them) and loads of long-term loans (or just funds) on quite low interest rates to the Ukraine. In return they wouldn't join NATO. If you look at the map, it's not us who's expanding a country to NATO borders, it's NATO that's expanding to our borders, something that goes against agreements we made with NATO a few decades ago.
From EU side: it was pushing the idea of signing a trade association with the EU instead of joining our Customs Union. The common folks were fed with propaganda that it would eliminate the requirement to have a visa for them to move to the EU (which is NOT included in association). The idea was to do exactly the same thing it did to Eastern European countries: sign a trade with them, but since their goods aren't produced to EU standards due to lack of specific factories and equipment

[Eugene]

which results in those countries having cheap goods from big EU countries (Germany, France etc) on shelves even those the locals produce those goods themselves. Don't forget, there are approximately 40 million people in Ukraine, so that's quite a big market to leech from. Basically, their already weak economy would crumble even more, since locals can't sell/export anything, while they would be flooded with imported cheap production (that fit EU "standards").
Yanukovich pretty much realized that, but due to heavy EU/US influence within the country (that was heavily funding the opposition) his words fell on deaf ears, just like his words that association does not mean visa-free customs. Therefore he declined the association with the EU.
Outraged by this, the opposition that was mostly funded by USAID (by the way, USA was outraged when we showed them out of our country, try to guess why) and likes of them started the coup.

[dartmaul15]

@eugene basically you're corrupt, and because the corruption benefited them you expect them to owe you and fall in under the russian banner?
Am i the only one seeing a dilemma here?

Also, i'm afrai ukraine is a supreme state, so they can do as they want. And the politicans are ruling with the people, and the majority wanted that trade deal with the UN. Hence no matter how many deals you've unofficially made, the people of ukraine want to be in the UN, and you just have to deal with that.
So why don't both russia and Europe skedaddle the hell out of ukraine, and let them decide on their own? And when they've decided, let that be the result. Is it that frigin hard, or do we HAVE to create a second cold war?

[Eugene]

And when I put "standards" in quotes, I underline that food that's produced by locals is actually more delicious. If you would visit Russia and buy ham in some store, you'd be surprised to figure out it's more delicious that crap you can get in EU in stores.
For example: a milk lasts just a very few days before it becomes spoiled. Milk in the UK, for example, lasts for a few weeks, which means it's loaded with chemistry and whatnot to make it last that long.

[Eugene]

Why we're corrupt? I kinda miss what did I mention so that you came up to a conclusion like this.

Majority didn't really cared about the trade: the opposition (that supported EU trade association) lied to folks that it would cancel visa requirements to travel freely within the EU. Whenever someone in charge tried to dispel those rumors, opposition would shower them with curses and accuse them of lying (even though it was the truth: visa-free movement was never mentioned and therefore not cancelled).

EU/US cannot really take it's hands off Ukraine: USA needs it as a military base or at least a training ground for future color revolutions in order to take Russia down (since we have visa-free travel with Ukraine and ALL of them know Russian), while EU wants 40 millions of people that would buy their goods but would stay out of EU lands, even those Ukraine is (well, now WAS) capable of producing themselves.

[Eugene]

@dartmaul15
Forgot to tag you again, damn.

[StickStickity13]

I choose to ignore all manipulative people. There are women and men out there that do not do these stupid things. Those are the people you want to be with. I agree with what you say but it's not every single human on earth. I can usually spot these women and avoid them at all costs.

[Meee97]

Ugh... I hate the whole "shaming" thing... If i'd have someone on my back all the time, telling me what I should be like, I'd get sick of it, cause I ain't changing for anyone!!

[Anonymous]

Yeah I don't think all men and women do this and the ones who do don't represent all men or women.

I've met some girls that are considered "sluts" who expect not to be judged for their experience but will not hesitate to judge a guy for his experience but there will be guys who are players who want a girl to sleep with them easily but then write them off as a slut once they bang them. There's hypocrisies in both situations.

[Anonymous]

well too bad life guys don't want an ugly girl with shaggy boobs or a fat woman either what do they want yes true a victoria's secret angel so it goes both ways :)

[lv4lv]

What planet do you live on?

[notverycreativeguy]

On the planet of the retards obviously.

[Opinion Owner]

the planet of TRUTH the 3 of us know that you two would never date an ugly fat girl and same goes for girls both genders clearly want impossible things so you can't put it all on females

[pavlove]

lol i definitely didn't put it all on girls and included slutshaming in the post.

[Opinion Owner]

you kinda blamed it more on us nevertheless we don't care my point is we both want stuff we can't blame it in one gender men want a victorian angel girls want a calvin k man

[pavlove]

Not totally sure I agree with that. A lot of women like to say that "calvin k men" are either vain or feminine hence the "pretty boy" or "arrogant jerk" categories. For instance, a lot of women think/though (when he was relevant) that Chad Michael Murray was the biggest a-hole and the guy who played the other brother on One Tree Hill even though he's still considered one of the best looking guys of our generation. The point is just like some insecure men, some insecure women will find reasons to cut down men who they find threatening their sense of self in some way. If anything, a Victoria Secret model may have a harder time finding love because normally secure men will feel insecure around her and be more ready to think of her as a slut if she messes up once. Point is to be secure in yourself and realizing that the shaming is just a natural part of being young and it happens to everyone so don't take it personally.

[Phoenix98]

This is all great and well except for one problem I don't put up with that kind of BS, if and when it happens I don't put up with it, when crap like that starts happening I deal with it immediately.

[koko124]

Protip: Part of being a man is not giving a shit about petty little social arguments that nobody cares about outside of the internet.

Yup, crucify me.