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I don't mind. But that's just me because I've seen guys go from giving up on them to them meeting this one girl who completely changed their minds years after they given up. So it really depends from situation to situation. I know guys who still don't think they should bother with females but that's who they are. Some of them have a point while others don't.
I do care about some of these guys but not in the sense I would dye them. Some of these guys are my closest friends or are brothers so I he to eat why they did these things. But I don't agree with every case.
Yeah I've heard stories about guys swearing off girls then meeting a great girl that makes them desperate to marry. Hopefully that happens to me but it seems to be like winning the lottery.
It really depends on the girls you meet as well. From what age group you're post says, you're pretty young and you still have time. So if a girl changes your mid, there's still many years. And I'll admit it is like winning the lottery. Very rare and spontaneous.
well i think things like MGTOW have a time and a place, but i don't think anyone should go MGTOW or red pill for their whole lives, as i dont think its very healthy. MGTOW works when you're still trying to discover yourself and get your career on track and what not. It's good to not have those distractions then... for some people anyways. But girls can be well worth it if you find the right one. A good girl will act as a mirror to you, and make you see the potential in yourself that you never thought was possible. I don't think its worth giving up on that because its too hard or w/e else
"Red pill" is a state of knowledge and a rejection of the present cultural narrative of lies. One should go and stay red pill. Indeed, once you see it, you can't unsee it.
As for MGTOW, it doesn't mean going without girls -- it just means going without marriage. And it has more to do with cultural and legal expectations than anything intrinsic with women. It's crucial to building your sense of self, but once you've done that, you're essentially MGTOW forever. Oddly, it opens up lots of sexual opportunities for you.
If a guy wants to give up on dating then it's his concern and not mine. I couldn't care less in all honesty. If you want to shut down yourself from meeting someone great just based off past experiences then go ahead and shut the door behind you. I'm not into that irrational kind of mentality so it's no loss to me whatsoever. I could have given up on love too if I wanted to but I always have faith that there are good guys out there despite the bad guys and bad times.
(: beauty n brains
My mobile is being stupid but I meant to upvote lol. I absolutely agree. You could be screwed over by a 1000 Girls/guys and that'd hardly be a fraction of the world's population.
Bad parts don't equal a bad future.
*past
Do you think the guys have any reason to complain? A lot of them seem convinced that there just isn't enough good women out there.
@Asker
No they don't. There are plenty of great people out there. It they're struggling to find someone then maybe the problem lies with them and their abilities. They could also be looking in the wrong places too
I love how guys are the ones downvoting me.
They're essentially telling me they don't like me saying I don't want to date them with that attitude but yet they're supposed to not care about my opinion cause they are supposed to have "given up"...
irony at its best
The choice not to be in a relationship isn't always due to past events. There's quite a few different not 'irrational' thoughts behind why people do it.
It's good that you don't let it concern you though. :)
I think it has to do with your dismissal of the issues being presented which does kind of prove the point that they are being adversley effected and nobody seems to care. As for your statment I do agree with it but I also think they have some good points as well that do need addressing.
@hellionthesage
Lots of men MGTOW guys act as if all women are exactly the same. It's a problem that I have seen on their little reddit pages and such. If they are going to label me without even knowing me personally then why should I care about their opinion and desire to be alone? It's not fair towards decent women who actually have a lot to offer. As I said I have enough respect for the opposite gender to know that not all guys are assholes so I expect that kind of treatment in return. It's not too much to ask. If someone truly wants to believe no person in the world is going to be right for them then it's their business. I'm not going to go above and beyond to prove to prove my worth to someone with that type of thinking. Why do they claim to go their own way and to have given up only to get upset when a girl says okay fine go your own way then if you want. It's as if these men want us to cry and be upset and then get angry when we aren't as upset.
First of all most of these 'bad guys' as you label them don't give up on 'love' nor relationships and those that do, not out of hate of women. They give up because modern marriage is a joke. I have no doubt whatsoever that if someone told you, you had no choice whom you have children with and that you had a 50% chance they were going to take away THEIR children and home (that you had to work for) - while you slept in a shitty apartment paying child support - that you'd be thrilled about it either. Add to that the fact that whenever a guy asks a question like this it's met with hatred and shaming language like "you're a loser", "you're scared of my success", "Who hurt you" or any of that other BS and it's no surprise that men give up on women - you just don't get it at all.
@BelfastBoy
What do bad boys have to with anything? I was using that to explain that just like some guys have bad luck with awful women many women have had the same bad luck too with certain guys. Only difference is that I don't judge ALL men by a few men's actions. I didn't say they give up on love or any of what you imply so I don't know what relevance that carries.
"you had no choice whom you have children with " - So the person in this scenario had no choice in having sex with a woman? If so that's by definition rape and I'm sure the circumstances of that will differ greatly from a normal situation where both parties freely decided to make a baby.
You are very guilty I see of the typical stereotyping of women like pretty much all the MGTOW men are. I see a lot of assumptions
" THEIR children and home (that you had to work for) " - implying women somehow can't work for any valuable assets or as if we can't own anything.
@BelfastBoy
" whenever a guy asks a question like this it's met with hatred and shaming language like "you're a loser", "you're scared of my success", "Who hurt you"
ironically I said NONE of these things in my answer which literally just proves my point that some of you men have absolutely no comprehension for the idea that not all women are just the same. You just assume I said all that because I'm a woman when ironically I didn't say any of that. This is exactly why I said I don't care. I cannot force your brain to realize that not all women are the same. It's a problem YOU have. The problem isn't with me. I've done nothing wrong and have good intentions but yet YOU assume that I'm like some other women. So please tell me again how men giving up on women is justified based on the actions of SOME women.
-,-
You didn't say 'bad boys' you said 'bad guys' and saying that these guys 'shut down yourself from meeting someone..' is giving up on love. What you did is called 'shaming language' - i. e 'who hurt you', 'you're a loser'. Men consider their rights to our children and homes as equally as women do except that we've been raised to be responsible for them.
It's called 'contraception'. Men have a plastic bag, or a vasectomy - women have over 20 different types of pill and at least 10 different types of contraception, many of which are non-hormonally based; so yes we don't have a choice in childbirth and yes we do have a right to have sex without having children as much as women do. The only difference is that we've been waiting 50 years for a male pill (many of which already exist).
I am guilty? - PMSL, You're making the MGTOW men's point for them and by the way these aren't 'assumptions' they're laws and if you're so dead set against judging all men then you'll be happy to forgo child support, lowered standards for women and 'equality' drives that are anything but - after all 'you don't need no man' right?
@BelfastBoy
Bad guys... bad boys... it's the same meaning for me. Either way these said guys caused me pain and made me have a difficult time trusting the opposite gender for a while due to their actions but looking back I don't carry resentment or anger for the opposite gender because of the bad seeds. I didn't give up on love because of them. I did not shut the door on guys because of them. I will never give up just because of the actions of a few. I hope this clarifies my stance.
Both genders need to play their part in protecting themselves. It's my duty to keep my body from a unwanted pregnancy and it's the same duty for the guy. I'm sorry that there's no better option yet but that doesn't mean it's all sunshine and roses being on the hormonal pill either. There are drawbacks and benefits to all kinds of birth control methods. What is important is to use common sense and to use that as a guide to prevent yourself from unfortunate circumstances.
"You're making the MGTOW men's point for them"
Which is what? That they can't own up to the fact that they are the only ones creating their misery by blaming all women for the actions of a few?
"these aren't 'assumptions' they're laws"
Some of what you just said is in fact assumptions. Like you going ahead and saying "" whenever a guy asks a question like this it's met with hatred and shaming language like "you're a loser", "you're scared of my success", "Who hurt you" ... I don't think that's a law. That's a opinion you hold. Just like you acting as if women can't hold financial assets and that it's always the men who has to pay for women. These aren't laws. This is assumptions!
"if you're so dead set against judging all men then you'll be happy to forgo child support, lowered standards for women and 'equality' drives that are anything but - after all 'you don't need no man' right?"
Where did I say I don't need a man? I very much want and need a man. My guy is my life and joy
and I'll do almost anything for him. I love him to the moon and back. I just don't need him for his money or for selfish reasons. I need him for love and care which I give him in return. Money is not of relevance. I don't judge men by the actions of a few either which I have said a few times now but it can't seem to sink in. I believe in equality in terms of the law. It's unfortunate if there are still unfair laws out there (depends on what country you're from too) and I'll stand up for any unfair laws but please don't act like that's the only issue MGTOW has. They have a lot of hate for women overall which is sad cause there's still good women out there but their arrogance and blindness leads them to believe we're all the same.
"These sad guys caused me pain..." - you're not the only one. My former fiance tried to stab me in the face with a butcher knife, after calling the cops (rather than defending my own life and going to prison for it) I got a pile of my clothes back and fuck all else. The police on the other hand bent over backwards for her so I do know what it's like to be hurt as do we all – on the other hand I also know what it's like when no one gives a fuck. I would not however base my opinions of other women on her actions nor am I a 'victim' or want useless sympathy for it.
Domestic violence is 50/50, the wage gap is bullshit as are rape statistics and job 'equality' and that's just the tip of the iceberg. All I ever hear is "Where have all the good men gone?" and frankly I'm sick of it. The bottom line is women don't seem to care about men so it's no wonder men only want short term stuff and it's no surprise that given women's responses few men will ever say that.
@BelfastBoy
I'm sorry to hear of your horrible experience. That is devastating I can imagine. There are a lot of sad stories out there from both genders experiencing traumatic events and unfairness. It doesn't make it right and I can only hope bad karma on anyone who does things like that. May the tables turn on them.
I don't ever say where have all the good men gone. I am surrounded by great guy friends and a wonderful guy in my life as well. Growing up with a abusve father could easily have changed me but I didn't allow it to and rised above it. I would highly recommend that outlook to anyone who potentially carries resentment towards the opppsite gender.
I very much care for men and know plenty others who do as well. I also know too many guys that are serious about finding love to believe that most men have somehow given up. I have no examples of that in real life.
I think you missed my point. For me it's not about 'giving up' nor 'finding the one' I have zero trouble meeting, dating or having strong emotions for women. What I do have a problem with are my rights and expected responsibilities in that relationship. Women just don't get this at all - Men DEAL with their bad relationships, we don't obsess nor expect sympathy for them.
What we don't do however is accept that our homes, children and rights are secondary to a woman's feelings. If the law and social opinion of men were equal I have no doubt I would be married with kids. I refuse however to be just another statistic or bill payer for someone who cares more about how they feel than I do and I've taught the same self respect to both my nephews. The bottom line is that you can't ever 'find love' until you find self respect and trust. Trust is based on rights and responsibilities and currently men have little of the former and far too much of the latter.
@BelfastBoy
"What we don't do however is accept that our homes, children and rights are secondary to a woman's feelings"
Well there you have it. Just another person who keeps ignoring all the effort and time I took to explain that statements like that are pretty much nonsense. Seriously I'm done. You can only explain a very basic principle so many times. If you are unable to grasp that then I rest my case.
Wow, just wow. The fact that you can 'take the time' to fail to explain why over 90% of custody cases take children away from their fathers, why over 90% of the homeless are men, 90% of workplace deaths or homicides. why women demand equality in only jobs that don't include physical labour nor low pay makes me frankly glade that 'you're done'.
According to you all these things are 'nonsense' and frankly you can keep your opinion - I'll never stop fighting for them because healthy and strong families aren't based on hating one sex over the other, nor in denying over 50 years of feminist social engineering that damages us all.
It's sad that you're not able to look beyond your own bad experiences and emotions but rights and responsibilities used to be willingly shared between men and women. "Equality" as defined by feminists is a red herring that can never be achieved. But by all means keep explaining your 'basic principles', its done so much to further the conversation.
@BelfastBoy
What is there to explain? I told you that I don't agree with unequal laws and I never said it's OK for children to get taken away from their fathers !! You are putting words in my mouth and you know it. I can't explain to you why people act a certain way. That's like me giving you abuse against women statistics and asking you why that's the case. That's a life. A sad sad part of life. How am I supposed to explain why some people commit suicide or die? That's obviously not a question I can answer you and has no relevance to the original statement I made. Bad things happen every single day to people male or female but that doesn't mean it's OK to make ALL people out to be bad because of the actions of a few. Are all men rapists because a few men rape? Are all women rapists because a few women rape? Obviously not so why be angry at all women?
I never not once said a those things are nonsense. I said saying like that quote is a assumption. You literally just took
a quote directly from me and them misread it which means you are speaking out of a place of emotion and not logical reasoning.
"What we don't do however is accept that our homes, children and rights are secondary to a woman's feelings"
Let me explain this carefully then and hopefully you'll comprehend what I meant better. It's nonsense to believe that I as a women do not care for those issues and that it is secondary to me ! That is what I meant. See? I did not say those things are NONSENSE. I said believing that assumption that it is secondary to me is nonsense.
You are acting out of a place of emotion and not rational thinking. You are attacking me with not even reading my points clearly.
Firstly 'attacking' you is not the same as me giving my opinion and I actually welcome your views. Secondly your assumption that I am not generalising and tainting 'All' women with the same brush is false, nor have I ever said that. I have simply quoted you statistics which are easily verifiable from government sources such as the US department of justice and the ONS in the UK. These statistics are DIRECTLY related to the failure of committed relationships, whether they be marriage or parentage and they show that men are affected deeply, particularly when they loose their children. The fact that you think this is a personal attack is your own invention and whether you claim to care for these issues or not they are the reason things are the way they are between men and women.
In any case it is out of our hands, issues such as VAWA, child support and rape shield laws are a matter of government now and that is something that quite frankly women - either passively or actively - support.
If you really want to find out how a lot of men feel then go to avoiceformen. com, or angryharry. com - search on youtube for 'manwomanmyth'(username) and watch some of the videos. I have personally taken the time to read feminist books like 'the beauty myth', gloria steneims work and even the reprehensible Valarie solanas scum manifesto. I do realize that many women don't support such things any more however I care deeply about them because I love deeply. I would also highly recommend Warren Farrell's book "The myth of Male power" or "Why men are the way they are".
What is now happening through such institutions is a wedge has been driven between men and women that is enshrined in law. Look at 'Karen Straughn' aka 'girlwriteswhat' on youtube - many women now support the men's rights movement because men suck at criticizing women which only makes matters worse. Or you can just do what most women I've experienced online when talking about such issues do - call me a misogynist.
Incidentally I'm a wedding photographer.
@BelfastBoy
I'm not from USA nor UK so quoting USA or UK documents doesn't really help. I can't answer your questions regarding those laws and statistics and why they are that way. I wish I could but I obviously can't.
@XRabbitHeartX but are you not doing the same thing, judging them in there entierty without actually knowing them? If a man is divorced through no fault of his own and his children are taken from him, then is that not a legitamet argument? If this is happening regularly is that not a sign that maybe something is wrong?
@hellionthesage
Why should I care if a guy doesn't want to give women a chance because of a few? Why should I waste my time and energy on someone who doesn't even want to open himself to possibilities? Sorry but love doesn't work that way. You get what you give.
So if a large percentage of women are complaining of unfair situation should men completely ignore them? Even when it is severe enough for them to ignore there basic biological/social needs?
@hellionthesage
Depends on the issue. I mean I can say a lot of women are affected by double standards when it comes to sex but obviously there's too many sides and influences to evee change it. If you are trying to make it that somehow most men are special snowflakes and enduring some kind of suffering on a large basis then you need a bit of a reality check.
How so?
@hellionthesage
Because whining about your love life problems isn't gender exclusive. It's a common problem everyone has to endure. Male or female. Both suffer hardships when it comes to love. There's hurt for everyone. If you think only men suffer from romantic endeavors and pitfalls you are delusional.
80% of divorces are filed by women, 80% of all alimony and child support are paid by men. We have a primary care giver model of child rearing that gives full or near full custody of children over to the mother regardless of what the father wants, or how good of a parent they are. This is why men are not marring in increasingly larger numbers. This is very much one sided as the statistics show, isn't that something to consider? If the laws show it, the statistics show it, and men are increasingly becoming jaded and claiming mistreatment, doesn't that kind of lend itself to the idea that there might be something to it and maybe take the complaints seriously?
@hellionthesage
So what if women account for a lot of divorces? Guess what there's likely valid reasons for why a woman no longer wants to be married such as cheating, neglect, abuse or bad behavior (gambling, alcohol addictions etc) . I don't see what that statistic says other than the fact that those women were unhappy with their marriages and wanted to get out. I know it's difficult to grasp that men aren't all perfect little angels but they are not. Men aren't flawless. They can be cheaters, abusers, rapists, liars and manipulators too you know. You're speaking to someone who has a abusive father and had to watch her mother get broken down piece by piece by a husband who took everything from her including her money. Do you realize there are bad seeds out there? And besides if you are SO concerned with someone divorcing you then don't get married! Also just because it's USA stats doesn't mean it's the same in my country. It depends on where you're from. USA= everything.
@hellionthesage
80% of alimony... eh once again depends on where you are from. I can't change laws. I wish I could. I just know I personally have seen men walk out on families without paying. I'm quite interested on finding the proof too of this claim as well because it sounds pretty well... swayed and biased. I'm pretty sure that's not even based on a wide population group. If you know something about statistics you'd know that a study can be swayed to prove anything.
If you don't want to marry then go ahead and don't but don't act like women can't get mistreated in marriage either. There are risks involving for anyone when entering marriage. I can be cheated on, abused, neglected or even killed too (yeah that's right a few women have been murdered by their husbands in my country so that they can get insurance payout) so I also have reasons to not get married. As said I come from a very bad example of a marriage thanks to my parents.
@hellionthesage
Oh and just a little heads up... this thread is about relationships. Not just marriage. If someone doesn't want to get married then fine I can get it but to say you are shutting yourself down from any kind of relationship is just sad and then I come back to my main point which is that I'm not going to give a fuck about someone who doesn't want to give a fuck about me. It's as simple as that. I'm not going to convince someone of my worth because they happen to have prejudices and pre conceived ideas about me without actually knowing me. It's their loss not mine. And by the looks of men being upset about my stance just proves to me how miserable they are about me saying fine go do your own thing then. One would think they wouldn't care but yet they do and get upset when I tell them to go do what they want which is to go their own way. Irony at its best!
Here is the statistics of child support: www.census.gov/.../cb12-109.html
And here is an article about the alimony: www.forbes.com/.../
As for the domestic violence remark : domesticviolencestatistics.org/.../
and then of course the violence against women act that is an anti violence law that happens to ignore male victims of violence. As for the being killed, its hard to say with the fact that most evidence is incredibly biased and refuses to acknowledge male victims to begin with, but I have seen many lists that listed over 35 accounts of men being killed by there wives with in only a couple of years. Its argued that a woman is far more likely to use a weapon then a man and there fore is more likely to kill her husband then a man his wife. Also along those lines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks
Also the fact that you are so readily dismissive of these things and seem to at least be unwilling to believe that there is a bias against men yet there are against women would suggest well, bias on your part.
I am not attempting to convince you that you should prove yourself to men, only that there is a bias against them and it should be taken seriously. I personally don't care what they or you do. I am only interested in the truth, and if some one perpetuates a lie or hinders the acknowledgement of said truth then I will argue with them. Just because you don't care about others does not mean that I don't. Its not about you, I don't know you or care about you, at least no more then any other stranger in the world. I just want to make sure it is known that what you are saying is dismissive of real issues and that by extention you are perpetuating the problem rather then contributing to its alacritis resolution.
@hellionthesage
Yeah yeah yeah... Dismiss everything I said. Typical. Easy solution don't fucking marry. And fyi I do care about issues but unfortunately it's not JUST men who face issues. I care about humans. Not just a gender. There's more to people than their vagina or penis. Also I don't know how to get this into your head USA does not equal all the stats in the world. Just because you can throw me stats based on your country doesn't mean countries like mine don't have opposite claims. Once again stop thinking all men are perfect. Your gender isn't. Lots of men do horrid things so stop having victim syndrome. Men aren't the only ones facing hardships. I just told you about my mother and how we faced abuse and you didn't even acknowledge it. Says A LOT about you and your arrogance for issues some people have to face. I have no respect for people like that. You have no sympathy for females. I don't care for people like you. I care for people who have compassion and a heart. Male or female.
And what is your country? To my understanding United Kingdom and Switzerland are worse in many areas. Why would you claim I have no sympathy for females? I simply stated it was ancedotal and did not pertain to the entirity? I have also never claimed women didn't have issues only that as a society we acknowledge the suffering of women and not that of men. I was beaten raped straved to the point where my skin was near transparent. Then after a couple of years of that I was stabbed in the head by my mothers boyfriend, and she defended and helped him every step of the way. Our biased legal system then attempted to put me back into her custody. I have suffered to, but this is also ancedotal and cannot be used to justify an action or mentatlity that effects an entire group. Why do you think your the victim, that only women are victims?
I can only assume that this is the issue, since you refuse to acknowledge the issues that effect half the population purely because there male. Why do you think they matter less then your issues, then womans issues?
@hellionthesage
South Africa actually.
I'm sorry for your suffering and terrible ordeals. As you say... you cannot justify anything! Just because you are male or female doesn't mean you have it somehow easy or worse. It just depends on the situation. We all have different obstacles. No sir I don't refuse to acknowledge anything. I said TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN TO EVERYONE!!! Meaning ANYONE can suffer something bad. Like you and me! Whyyyyy is it so difficult for you to grasp that just because I stand for HUMANITY doesn't mean I can't acknowledge both gender's issues. There are obstacles for males and females. END OF STORY.
I have never stated that women don't suffer only that male suffering is more readily dismissed. I was merely trying to show this to you. When you say everyone has problems deal with it, you are saying my problems are more important then yours, so I don't want to hear it. I am not trying to piss you off (when I argue I argue from an intellectual position not an emotional one, there is no anomsity in my statments) I am trying to make you understand. Obviously that is not going to happen so lets just end this, I have been blocked by enough people for one day so lets just end this.
@hellionthesage
Me highlighting the fact that women suffer too doesn't mean I say my problem is more important. Those are 2 completely different statements. I didn't ever say one problem is worse than another or more important. Literally never said that.
I wouldn't block someone just for having a different opinion either.
Its you who mare being emotional and stupid, fact is helionsage is completely right, men have it worse when it comes to domestic laws by far. And its mostly men who are walking away from marriage and even relationships, while women by large are still very motivated to find a partner to marry. Men dont care about women like you xrabbitheartx, we could care less wheter you care or not, but the difference is that more and more men are now starting to not care about women in general since men can easily be happy without a relationship, we can be content with our hobbies, male friends, family and casual sex without commitment whenever the opportunity arises. Women however cannot do that as easily and you are more dependent on government welfare than men are. So in the end women need men more than the opposite, and its the misandrist laws as well as the entitlement of most women that are driving away men. Eventually women are going to beg men to date them.
@bones90 I also couldn't care less about men like you in all honesty so it's a two way street.. I'm in a happy, loving relationship with a great man who wants to marry me so why should I care. I still see very little of these anti relationship or even anti marriage men you speak of, I'm not sure where they live but they sure as hell don't live around here. I hate to break it to you but your little red pill clan are by far in the minority and most men still want romance and relationships. You believing this isn't true is just the typical fairtyales you tell men tell yourselves on Reddit. Newsflash, women don't care! We don't care if you guys don't want us cause there will still always be guys who do as you guys aren't even a fraction of the men out there who do want relationships. Marriage is a different subject on its own cause both women and men don't want it these days. But believe what you want, whatever helps you sleep at night.
You dont realize that you are 100% wrong about everything you just said. I already mentioned that we men dont care about you and thus we definitely do not care at all that you dont care (which im sure you do but dont want to admit since you got so emotional).
Men like that are in the majority, not minority. Just because the guys won't say that openly is because they have nothing to gain by saying it. Especially if they have friends who are women. It lowers their chances of getting laid. For me, i still am aware of the facts, but as long as i can lie to women i can still get casual sex every now and then and the times i fail i dont really care. Im aware of how pathetic most women are that relationships and marriage is not worth the risks. in a few years there will be very very few men left who will even think about marriage. And you women will have to care because it will affect you greatly.
Im blocking you now, and won't read your response, before you decide to block me lol.
@bones90 So too scared and threatened to be able to talk to a woman. Bye bye.
for some reason, your response still showed up in my notifications. bummer. Anyhow nope, not scared and threatened at all. A woman could never care or threaten me, as i know my superiority just by being a man. However next time i won't respond, just know that regardless what you may write after this, you lost the argument. Im just doing this as im aware of many wimps out there who block someone from responding after they have lost the argument, so now my only way to deal with that is to block them before they can block me. Gag should change that feature. In public, you should always be allowed to respond, but this site is not that well thought out.
@bones90
You said you won't read my response but yet you did... interesting.
How am I supposed to believe anything you write when you can't even fulfill your own statements.
@BelfastBoy Thank you. I posted a similar mytake and was eviscerated. Fuck society. I'd prefer Russia nukes most of the US Population. That should set everything straight.
@BelfastBoy đź‘Ť
You still have a lot of growing up to do.
@Goldenrod9 You think I actually, like, care about your opinion? That's so cute ^_^
It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Check back with me when you turn 30.
@Goldenrod9 The fact that you think what you just said is a fact just confirms to me that even old people are sometimes not that bright.
Well, RabbitBrain i hear that you can learn a lot from a dummy so please continue!
I don’t care about them, but I get it--- chicks can be tough and mean. But we also have a lot to offer. I hope their choice makes them happy or better off than they were before.
This isn't an insult but given the negative reaction from some of the guys, I have to ask: do girls have a lot to offer? Plenty of guys don't seem to think so.
Apart from sex, we can help you get in touch with you feminine/ loving side of yourself. With us your free to show whatever emotion you feel. We can help you see life in a different way. You'll have a companion who you can share anything with. We're suppose to be there for you. This is (in my opinion) the essence of being a girl.
I kmow this sounds cliche and it's been said so many times, but I truly believe those guys who don't think haven't met the right girl for them. That or they're the reason their having trouble with girls ( i. e the go for the wrong type of chicks, become pessimistic, or don't feel good enough when they are).
I expected the down votes :P didn't expect the upvoted though :o
I would never give up on finding a guy. Because all the crap I've endured has taught me a lot. I refuse to let my search go in vain.
Good answer.
That's what I hope is true but I wonder if I should even try when I read some of the opinions from the guys. There are constant stories of women using them, mistreating them or being selfish in relationships (emotionally and financially).
It's hard to believe that I'll find the right girl when there is that many 'wrong girls' out there.
This is what I tell my brother who's almost 16.
Girls don't always know what we want. We need experience, guidance and TIME (just like guys) to figure things out so your bound to meet some nut heads, and a lot of girl who only think they know what they want. If you meet a girl you want, get to know her, feel her out a bit, if she doesn't seem interested, don’t waste your time and move on. If she's indecisive give her your number and leave. Unless she contacts you count it as a loss. If you want be friends, but don't expect anything more from her.
It's a lot to weed through (image what girls have to go through!) I know. You HAVE to have thick skin. Dating isn't for the weak. If your not careful, you’ll loose sight of your goal.
Oh! And I forgot to mention: when we're very interested, in being with a guy we WILL make an effort to get to know you and play an active role. If you feel lile your doing all the work, pull bavk a little and see if she's reaching out to you, and making and effort. If your still unsure ASK.
Thanks. :)
One thing that does worry me is that many people say that you have to move fast to avoid her seeing you as only a friend. I'm not sure how to take it slow while avoiding that.
What do you mean "imag[ine] what girls have to go through"? Is it harder for girls?
It's not harder for girls. We're just more confused because we're used to trusting our gut feelings. With dating, you have to be logical too, or your emotions will own you. I hear guys tend to go with logic more (?)
I don't think you have to move fast. You have to make your intentions crystal clear. Like for example, a friend of mine took it slow with her boyfriend. They had talked abit in class and then he asked her out. On the first date he bluntly said that he wanted to be her boyfriend, not her friend. It was awkward, but very smart of him because after that she knew where things were heading.
I think guys normally do. I'm not sure if I do. Lol
I suppose so. Did she not feel that he was coming on too strong?
I wouldn't. If you told me that's what your going for, I wouldn't have to guess and it makes you look confident! BE BOLD :P
I have NEVER had a guy say this to me directly. I've had to rely on body language to tell me.
You should let her know this when your on a date, you know you like her and you guys have been talking for abit.
She's the type that will over think things, so knowing that he was into her and wanted her for the long run made her soo happy :D
Thanks. :)
I'd be fine with it because they are immature and usually not very nice people so it's good of them to steer clear of women because we don't need people like that in our lives. The thing is they never do what they say they will and just stay away from us, they hate women and will take any opportunity to hurt us and that's just sick. If you want to give up, give up but that also means you have to stick to your word and ACTUALLY "go your own way" instead of treating women like shit and then whining when they want nothing to do with you/ won't fuck you.
If you're just referring to the MGTOW crap I agree with your comment, but I don't think that because a man doesn't want a relationship should be considered a women-hater.
I don't want a relationship, but I still love women just as much as I did when I wanted a relationship.
they are not very nice people? sure cause you know them all right? the are as many reasons to not be interested in dating as there are people... .
Now look who ia being immature, your judging pwople you have never met. Maybe they dont like women for past expierences or maybe they had too many crazy girlfriends. can't judge people you dont know minxxie.
well I've had men do some horrible crap to me I didn't act like a child and say I hate all men/ give up on an entire half of the human race. And if you don't want to date that is completely different than being a MGTOW because they openly and proudly hate women and want to cause us harm.
I don't really care if they give up on relationships with women. That's their own choice and it's none of my business. However, a good majority of mgtow guys are very disrespectful toward both woman and the men who enjoy marriage and long term relationships.
Those are usually the guys who have been burned badly by their ex wives and by the legal system.
I disagree.
Well, this is just what I've seen from their Reddit and sandman's comment section.
Then you seem to have your mind made up and aren't viewing this objectively, which is ok but solves nothing.
Look the OP asked about what I think about these guys and I gave my honest answer. An opinion isn't supposed to be objective.
I hate to say you're right, because I'm MGTOW too... but you're right. Right as MGTOW started spreading out, a LOT of real woman-haters joined up. And maybe they're frustrated and don't know how to handle the situation they're in.
I think most of those guys, if they hang out with the right MGTOW long enough, will come to a place where they are, as the MGTOW philosophy is meant to be, more centered. This is a known phenomenon within the manosphere, called the "red pill rage." It usually lasts about a year while they're putting things into perspective and establishing a value system that has their own well-being in it somewhere, but for some, they never escape it.
It's getting so bad that lots of MGTOW are considering abandoning the label.
Many girls have made my life a hell. I am a guy who is quiet or shy and have never done any harm to women and respect them. But the response I got from women was pathetic. They would tease me, smile like an idiot at me and make fun for no reason.
I felt like an animal in the zoo being mocked by those brainless egoistic individuals.
If a guy was a jerk, the girls would treat him like a prince of their dreams.
Girls have so high standards for men and when they see a helpless guy who is out of the social norm , they mock the hell out of him.
IT'S A LIE, WHEN GIRLS SAY THEY WANT A GENTLEMAN :(
"What do you think of guys who replace socializing and dating women with porn and masturbation, their excuse being that the real thing is too hard."
I think it's sad that they are giving up on half the population in the world, because it's too hard. It tells me they're not exactly relationship material themselves (yet), because any kind of relationship needs work to flourish. They sound unwilling to offer any tiny bit of their leisure time (where they can do whatever pleases them) for a relationship. They are likely to not want children either, because children mean sacrifice of their leisure time and money and not gain for their personal character development.
I think they're basically doing what many Japanese men are doing (from what I heard in the news) already. I don't think they're happier, because they are the ones who invented pillows that resemble human body parts.
"What would you say to someone thinking about giving up?" - Do what makes you happy. It's your life.
As far as the soshoku danshi go, you of course wouldn't know what it's like to be a man in that society because they don't have the same expectations for women as they do for women. The men there are expected to work themselves literally to death, only to hand over ALL of their money to their wife, who then gives him a small stipend from it.
If it was you who was expected to give up EVERYTHING for your partner with little given in return, you'd check out, too.
@Transigence
I've been to Japan. The tour guide (male btw) explained this handing everything to the wife with the reason that traditionally, Japanese men are very bad at saving money and borderline alcoholics. Japanese women are the ones who were better at making budgets with what they've got. Companies got tired of wives complaining that their families were starving because the husbands took all the money to the next bar, so they started handing the money straight to the wives.
It sounds unfair to western men, because western men are perceived to be the ones who are reasonable with money and it's the western women who spend it lavishly. But in Japan, it's the opposite.
@Transigence
by the way, they also have high expectations of children and women too. Starting elementary, kids are sent to tutoring classes right after school until evening and wives are expected to wake up at 4 to prepare traditional breakfast and lunch packs for their kids and husbands. Traditional japanese cuisine is not just scrambled eggs and some milk. It takes hours to prepare. Japanese women are the last ones to go to bed too and are expected to wear makeup and be stylish at all times.
From what I'm told, it sucks for both genders.
@bubble_tea
I'm not saying things are peaches and cream for the women either. But all of those rationales, as you said, are based on tradition. Well things have changed. We have microwaves, washing machines, and disposable everything. And values about personal liberty have changed as well, yet the men, in order to please the women, must accommodate them in a traditional way. It's just not worth it to them anymore. They have realized that the number of women who would be willing to live a more contemporary lifestyle is so low that it's simply not worth the trouble (and expense) of playing the field. Whatever; it's their choice. If women want to control the flow of money, then they can go out and earn the money. And if they don't want to spend hours cooking a traditional cuisine, then they do sell eggs and milk in Japan.
For whatever problems women have in Japan, they still expect men to be their drones, and that's not okay with the men anymore. Now women get to pick up the pieces.
@bubble_tea
And thus far women's response to them hasn't been to adjust their expectations accordingly (and maybe adjust what they're willing to do as well), but try to shame the men back into their slave roles. What does that tell you?
@Transigence Well, isn't this already what Japanese women are doing? It's not like they are unemployed sitting in their parents living room waiting for their princes to make them housewives. The tour guide by the way said it's the only Asian country where the guy is not expected to pay on dates. The bills always get split, I suppose except for those 'sugar daddy' dates.
Do you have proof that they are shaming men back into their 'slave roles'?
I only found videos that they're willing to pay for their attention lol
https://youtu.be/vHHpjjKzZTU
No, you can offer too much and get jack shit, that's why.
Those guys are tired of dating because:
They feel that women will treat them as a walking ATM.
They get extremely annoyed with $hit tests and flakiness.
They don't want to hear radical feminist rants.
They don't like be nagged and quickly asked, "where do you
see this relationship going?"
They don't feel like women are loyal, and are always looking
to move up with a man who have greater resources.
The red pill guys seem like PUAs mostly, but MGTOWs actually seemed impressive when I first learned about it. The idea reminded me of monks who abstain from women in order to pursue nobler goals, enlightenment and self-betterment, although there's definitely quite a bit of passive-aggression toward women which holds them back. It's understandable given the shit they've been through with women but it holds them back nonetheless. They're supposed to be "going their own way" but they keep looking back at women, once they finally let go of their resentment and stop looking back then they can be a cool bunch of guys.
You can't blame MGTOW, who are having a discussion about MGTOW, for discussing women. It's part of the core concept. Just like you can't blame the religious for talking about God all the time.
I think what you're seeing is people going through the red pill rage phase. That's natural, and should pass once they are able to create an identity for themselves based on themselves. Sadly, some get stuck in the rage phase and never come out.
I'd say it's more like atheists talking about God; its not a part of their life but insist on focusing on it anyway. If you're having a discussion about MGTOW then yes you'll probably talk about women but you don't *need* to be mean about it, but I get that if you're talking about it then it'll probably trigger some shit. They just really paint themselves poorly when expressing their views on women.
@Transigence
@AllThatSweetJazz
The thing is, MGTOW isn't a departure from women. It's a departure from marriage, and anything else that moves you away from having control over your life (takes away from your self-determinism), and it's an honest discussion about women where you don't *need* to be nice about it.
It's a group of guys (for those who are explicitly MGTOW) who want to discuss patterns of behavior that they noticed in a frank way without having to comport to the social expectation that nothing bad ever be said about women. This is new to most of society and shocking, so it comes off as misogyny. Some of them really do hate women and cut them out of their life and talk mad shit, so I'm not saying that what you are saying is without basis. But how men get on with women is central to MGTOW so expecting them not to talk about it is ridiculous. And really, the conversation is the conversation that has not been allowed for so long it's overdue. Expect some heat.
It's departing from women in one sense or another, be it marriage or abstinence or not even having female friends, I've heard of MGTOWs doing all these things. No matter what their reasoning or the extent to which they take it, it's all in order to take control of their lives and resist the influence women have over them. Deparding from marriage just sounds like a bunch single guys determined to be single, that's nothing new and that's what I think of when it comes to red pill guys and PUAs. MGTOWs seemed like they were actually departing from women (to whatever extent) in order to better themselves and because of the difficulties associated with dealing with women and my point it is that's what they seem to want to be yet they can't help but taint (to the point of being perceived as misogynistic) their more sensible ideas about female behaviour with the frustrations they felt when confronted with the behaviour/difficulties.
@Transigence
'Honest' doesn't mean be an asshole. If you want a real discussion then you should be as matter-of-fact as possible. If you want to vent then ok, you can express negative feelings but don't colour your ideas about patterns of behaviour with your personal feelings about those patterns. Keep them separate - or ideally let the feelings go altogether if possible and just focus on the ideas.
It may be sort of new to the mainstream but MGTOWs hardly have a monopoly on speaking out against gynocentrism, they're not even the most actively against it and seem intent on getting mad and having a discussion so they can reassure themselves that they're right so they can move on with their lives rather than getting involved in social or political activism. Which is fine - don't get me wrong - but I'm just saying that this discussion they are having is far from academic.
Their choice if they rather just fap and be alone. They must have not heard of the saying,"Hard work pays off!" That or "You got to risk it to get the biscuit!"If they are going to give up that easily at finding someone to be with. Then they are better off alone. Since that just seems like they have no will power to fight for what they truly want and their happiness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEjgPh4SEmUThey lack the eye of the tiger XD
How does hard work pay off here, or are you objectifying women?
Nope not objectifying anything. Saying you have to work hard finding the right person. Meaning if u do a half ass job at doing it. Then you going to find a half ass person. Plus if your just going to settle for low things or in a certain area. your chances of finding anything are very slim.
@CorruptedDocument
That's the exact definition of objectification.
@CorruptedDocument it's not since you can apply that to anything. If that's how you want to take it as go for it.
I hate arguing with idiots. haha
@CorruptedDocument that makes two of us.
Self hate is never the answer.
@CorruptedDocument I don't hate myself.
Then don't mock yourself, it's saddening to me.
@CorruptedDocument I'm not mocking myself. Bottom line to what i'm saying. Always fight for what you truly want in life. Relationships are worth fighting for because once you find someone that really makes you happy. All of that determination pays off.
Why should you need someone to make you happy, are you truly that weak?
@CorruptedDocument I don't need anyone to make me happy.
@CorruptedDocument nobody ever needs that since you can live without it.
It isn't worth the persuit if is men are faced with false rape allegations for simply saying hi to women.
Nothing is worth fighting for anymore. Absolutely nothing.
@CorruptedDocument đź‘Ť
Well, what about the guys that put in the hard work and made it anywhere between a steady relationship and marriage and ended up with nothing? And/or lost all that they earned before she even came along? After going through this process repeatedly spending money, time, etc. for women. now guys get even more disrespect simply for pausing to ask is this what I really want? And increasingly that answer is, no.
Most women are evil bitches why waste time chasing after them?
This is not about a lack of will power. Speaking as a MGTOW it actually takes a whole hell of a lot more will power to give up on chasing women (believe me!). This is not about giving up on women and relationships, but more about not being able to find a decent women no matter where you look or how hard you try.
@CorruptedDocument Okay dude, I'm seeing you all over this post trying to be a smartass and acting like you know better than people. How about you fuck off, and get a life, because your advise or rant isn't going anywhere and you're just being annoying and fucking rude. Stop acting like you know better than others here. Got it? You're really fucking shitty at having a genuine nice discussion without being a condescending arrogant dickhead.
advice*
I avoid those guys. I understand it if you do that temporarily to give yourself a break, but you're just missing out life experiences.
I think if you do that for your whole life, you're pretty sad.
I've considered doing it for my whole life. I've never even approached a woman but I find it hard to trust people and nothing I've seen has changed my mind. I used to dream of being married, now I don't think it's worth it. I feel a little bitter when I do see happy couples though. Like I'm jealous that they're normal and can have that.
But you actually can have that. The only thing stopping you from having that is yourself. Why do you have so much trouble with trusting people? Most people have good nature and want you live a happy life.
That's what I doubt. I see married couples that once loved each other destroy the other's lives in divorces because they hate each other, I see people who claim to love someone cheating, people who claim to love others not being truly interested in the other person - only what they can get from them. And that's just he people who were in actual relationships.
Wrt everyone else, I think most people are lazy, selfish, greedy and petty, especially these days.
So the fact that they don't enjoy those experiences is sad to you?
Wouldn't it be more pathetic if they gave into things they hate just to make other people happy with them?
"But you actually can have that. The only thing stopping you from having that is yourself. Why do you have so much trouble with trusting people? Most people have good nature and want you live a happy life. " This is an utter ignorant and bullshit statement... ignorance is bliss, that's what I gather from this.
How are someone else's actions my problem, they control what they do.
Not really, you're just missing out on more cunts who will say the same thing because you're all hypnotized twats who are under sex kitten programming.
You know, my dad is a divorce lawyer with 25 year experience. I hear about divorces everyday. According to my dad, it's not the divorce that's bad. People who divorce have been together for about 30 years. People change a lot in 30 years and it's not that weird if you grow apart. There used to be less divorces, but those marriages weren't happier than they're now.
People's nature haven't changed a lot either. Cheating and other things happened in the past too. Now we just read about them more through things like social media, but it's not like the number of cheaters have risen.
It's foolish to say you give up on women because you're scared of what maybe could happen. Cheating and divorcing doesn't happen to everyone and it's better to look at the good things than the bad things. Like what if you were married for 30 years and then divorced, then you were still happily married for 30 years. You really want to miss all those experiences?
Yes I would, I would rather keep my money, house, life, and not having a financial leech following me around.
@CorruptedDocument what if I told you, you can. My mom makes more money than my dad for example. We don't live in the middle ages anymore. Woemn can make their own money. The only thing you'll not have is that little piece of life experience, this deeper emotional connection with someone and having sex with someone you actually like.
When the law reflects that, I'll be ok with it. Until then, it's not worth the risk signing a contract that isn't in my favor.
I'm very surprised but pleasantly so that you admit women make their own money.
It's also funny how you allude that I haven't been in relationships before. haha
@CorruptedDocument I didn't mean it like that. I have no idea if you had a relationship before or not.
I'm not sure how it works in America, but in the Netherlands you can marry in 2 ways. In marriage or partnership in community of property or in prenuptial agreement or partnership conditions (I Google translated this, not sure if it's called like that). The first one if most common and you share your depths and ownership of things like the house and the other one you can keep ownership and depths separate.
You can also just not marry. Lots of couples just don't marry. No big deal, but I heard marrying is more of a big deal in America than in the Netherlands.
I prefer finland when it comes to marriage laws... but you avoided my question, how is that person sad for doing this?
@CorruptedDocument yeah but I don't live in Finland, so I have no idea.
Most people actually do like a relationship and being loved by someone. This is about guys who give up on women and replace it with porn. So they actually wanted a girl at first, but they find the dating world too hard and then live on porn. Yeah, I think it's pretty sad if you give up on something you wanted first because it's too hard to obtain.
For people who don't want a relationship ever, have fun in life.
Avoiding us only makes us not like you even more. I dont think avoiding men is a good idea.
A lot of people sign off relationships. These guys just want special attention for it it's no big deal. I think deep down they want women to feel like it's threatening so theyll reach their demands so to speak :)
I feel the same way except I do it for relationships in general. Social and romantic.
I just can't trust people.
I think you're right by the way.
Yeah, no they don't want to be threatening. They're tired of being a pawn piece.
And deep down women find it threatening, because at least some of them are smart enough to realize the implications if men start ignoring women at large, women need men more than the opposite so when men stop being productive and only work for themselves (meaning less tax money for the government) then there will be less money for women to take out of the system which they are often dependent on for their living standards (alimony, welfare, child support etc) eventually the system will collaps and then when no children are being born the government will be forced to neglect female demands and we will go back to patriarchy.
All these women on here saying how they don't care. Got news for you; The guys you typically want? Good looks (muscular tall lots of hair), money, status, power? They are walking away from women... you care. You seem to assume it's just the loser beta male virgins with no lives who come to the MGTOW conclusion and walk away from you... and I laugh because you are going to all get a taste of your own medicine when the men you so covet use you up and toss you out. Many of them are getting their tubes ties so you also can't steal their seed and trap them... good luck ever trapping an alpha for yourself.
A girl who thought I was the fall back guy learned a hard lesson at 35. I meet her through friends I hit the fit classes with and I was 6 feet, utterly jacked 7% body fat tops, I'd go to parties with them during that year and she'd be getting with a different guy every other week. (Her not working out and steadily putting on pounds +20-30) Her 35th birthday came and she was begging me for sex and crying that she'd get in shape later I'm not joking. Ruined the friendship between me and others and I never talked to her again. I looked her up on FB 4 years later and if it didn't have her name next to her picture I wouldn't of recognized her. She's now 70 pounds overweight with a sad look in her eye and the guy she's dating she'd never of looked twice at before 35. He's the "3" at best, she's a zero. My facebook feed is full of 30 year old women divorcing their husbands for the alpha male with the gym douche bag pick in front of the barbell. Women are not worth it.
I have given up long time ago because feminism and today's society it's too much for me to deal with and all of it's bullshit and so on. I simply wanted to be in relationship and have healthy life with a girl I would respect and like but nope, approaching this days girls equals to being a creep and only result I know is being rejected every time. They don't want to date me? Let's be it, it's their lose and I don't give a shit any more, full stop.
When It's coming to masturbation I just use it to relief some stress and that's it. It would be lovely to be in a relationship but I don't give a shit any more and have given up.
I've known a number of women who have given up on trying to find men to have as part of their lives. The reason they give relates to them being in bad relationships that left them hurt, etc. They've either concluded that there are no decent guys left or have been hurt to such a degree that they don't want to put themselves in a vulnerable position again. I assume there are guys who have been through similar experiences that left them with the same feelings.
On the other hand, ranting at length about it may be an attempt to garner sympathy or pity. Not a particularly effective strategy if you ask me. Not only do you come across as a loser but you're also a Category-5 buzzkill as well.
They reject all the decent guys or after Fking 30-60 guys in their 20's decide they are ready for the nice guy who learned how to make tons of money by then. The tables turn at 35 in a mans favor if he invests in himself, see the train wreck women become at 35 is hilarious. If were not good enough for you in our 20's you are not good enough for us in your 30's.
I'm in my very late 30's and have never had a girlfriend. I've been rejected by every women I've ever had any interest in. I gave up slowly over time and I'm at the stage in my life where I can't be bothered anymore.
Women never had interest in me before and they don't have interest in me now after I gave up. I've come to realize that dating or a relationship is impossible.
Being alone and accepting it is better than constant and continual rejection. There is no other choice.
With regards to original question. I don't watch porn. Haven't looked at it in decades. For those of you wondering I do own my own home, have a job and a car.
So turn gay because you have a problem with keeping the interest of a girl? That's a self-conscious problem that that guy needs to work through. Every woman and man that has walked this earth has gotten their heart hurt by the opposite sex multiple times before they found one they can 'put up' with. Just keep trying. That's all I do..
Amen brother!
It's not necessarily about the "inability to keep a girl's interest", it's about what is necessary to keep a girl's interest, especially compared to what it takes to keep a guy's interest. I actually DID consider dating guys. I had several offers, and it was pretty blatant how different the dynamic was. There was no role for me to fill. I could be awkward, suave, feminine, masculine, confident, or depressed and these guys would still like me. I wasn't "less of a man" in their eyes. I notice this is how men see women, how women see women, and how men see men. "Unconfident" or "socially awkward" are only pathetic and unacceptable when it is a woman judging a man.
The only problem I had was that I'm just not into guys.
I'm not MGTOW or anything. I just understand their frustration. What helps is that you simply raise your standards and not fear being single. Accept only girls who will accept as much variance and humanity as you do.
It's not turning gay obviously. Also, why do they have to keep trying? Maybe it is genuinely not worth it.
Nah, I think they're just weak and bitter and doesn't wanna go through what everyone else is going through too. They just expect pity, and to be served hot women on a silver plate, whitout having to do anything for them.
What are they supposed to "do for them"?
You just have to fight on, until you find the right one.
Ok. I thought you meant like excerise or try harder to convince women to date them. The second option is probably risky.
this is SO true, i run into guys like this everyday
This is false. They are not weak. They were never given a chance.
The description you've provided for these guys can be applied to girls to. Don't girls want the same thing? Don't lie. Many girls are just weak and bitter and don't want to go through what everyone else is going through. They just expect pity, and to be served hot men on a silver plate, without having to do anything for them.
That's the double standard, women that are monstrous and bitter are socially acceptable.
"They just expect pity, and to be served hot women on a silver plate, whitout having to do anything for them."
Since women expect to be served men on a silver plater without having to do anything for it, is that just as wrong?
Guys, men have to do things for women to get them to like them. Women don't have to do anything but be pretty. This is how the broken ass system works and even underage girls know it, they just don't care that it's a system designed to fuck us men, because it does nothing but benefit them
Or maybe they're just tired of the BS.
Typical shaming response of exactly the kind of woman that caused the MGTOW response.
@Asker
Brilliant question. Quite illustrative.
@WorthlessVirgin Guess what? Im not given a chance with everyone. No one is obligated to love you, so quit your whining, and move on.
@Anonymous
You do realize you have a double standard, right? No one is here to whine at you. They're here to open your eyes to the bullshit that's stuck in your mind. I'm not talking to you out of hatred. I want you to realize that your way of thinking is very restrictive and damaging to yourself. You are entitled to your opinions, but I'm here to point out your opinions are based off falsehood.
@Anonymous
Look, I'm sure you're a great girl, I didn't intend to offend you, I just wanted to point out the flaws in your opinions. There are guys out there who are manipulative and destructive to girls. I highly doubt the guys who gave up on girls were trying to manipulate and destroy them. I haven't given up on girls. I still believe girls are awesome. I give a chance to everyone I meet. I think it's sad some people didn't give you a chance, but at least other people gave you a chance.
Trust me, Im not the one being damaged by the minds of weak men, they are themselves. There a multiple groups of men, the weak willed are only one. My opinion isn't full of flaws, that's the beauty of opinions. @WorthlessVirgin
@Anonymous
LOL. You're beyond repair. Enjoy the rest of your life. :D
Comming from a "wothless virgin" who is the real loser?
@WorthlessVirgin
ROFL, can you learn to spell? LOLOL. Here, I'll help you. *Coming from a "worthless virgin" who is the real loser?* by the way, I know I'm badass. I don't need anyone's approval to determine my true worth in the multiverse. This name is just a label to throw people off, like you. LOLOLOL.
When you know you're losing, go for the grammar ;)
I can play that game too: "The description you've provided for these guys can be applied to girls to (*too)"
Yea Im sure you're a real Don Juan, worthless virgin. Im not gonna take advise from an insecure, social loser, if you don't mind. @WorthlessVirgin
@Anonymous
Take me to your place. I wish to mate with you. :D
I don't blame those guy as I'm one of those guys. I don't mind just having sex with no feelings attached but in the end, it never works. Even though I don't like being single, I'm trying to make it work. I try to look at the good outlooks of being single and the benefits seems to be almost even as the risk.
Relationships is just not in my repertoire. The older I get, the less I'm feeling it. It almost feels like a job. But at least the other guys can have more loving relationships with women. So in the end everyone can be happy.
I think these men are weak minded. It sucks they've had a hard time in the dating world but so do a lot of women as well! Nothing gets done if you give up.
very true, these men annoy me and i lack sympathy for them
Amen!
What's wrong with simply wanting to remain single and that's it?
@MrZylister Nothing is wrong with wanting to remain single. The issue with these types of guys is the reason behind it. They aren't trying to do soul searching or improve themselves. They just gave up because they believe "dating is hard and women are stuck up bitches". Yes dating is hard but obviously these guys yearn for a relationship but don't want to put in the work to get someone who feels the same about them. If you've been looking for a job for 3 years and haven't found one yet are you going to give up and live on welfare or on the street?
"dating is hard" These part I can agree with especially when it applies to guys, I mean let's be honest when is the last time you've seen a girl spend her life savings on an outfit, to gas up the car, and take us out to dinner to a fancy ass restaurant only to get dumped the very next day, I can understand why some guys just don't want to bother anymore. But either way this is not why I'm choosing to remain single I just see no real reason to be in a relationship, at least at my age where an overwhelming majority of women (and men) are extremely idiotic.
the same way you are weak minded? sure...
@SilenRose I dont think that you should be using the fact that men won't give up on looking for a job as a way to justify your opinion because that is two different situations your talk.
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@NessMess Explain how I am weak minded. You most most be part of one of those fringe groups to respond like that.
@Correy Both are essential in life. Everyone wants human contact and a income. These guys may have given up on trying to find that special one but I bet they still attempt one night stands or paying for contact. Giving up on looking for a job and possibly relying on the government to give you a small amount of monetary money to get you from month to month also shows a lack effort. Taking the easy way out of life.