Do all guys size each other up?

[Anonymous]

A lot of the comments I see on here throw around words like 'alpha' and 'beta' constantly lol. Is that a thing for guys? Like, are you always sizing each other up and establishing an unspoken pecking order? If a new guy enters do you puff up your chest and deepen your voice to establish social dominance or something? What's the deal here

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

We don't talk about Alphas, and Betas among ourselves normally. That is more or less a way to try and explain men to women, or to explain normal social behavior to socially awkward guys online.

There is an unspoken pecking order anytime a group of guys get together. This is actually a common problem women run into when she joins the group of guys thinking she is the equal of every man there, including the alpha, when she has not yet earned her rank yet. This is why men tend to think respect is earned, and women think respect is something everyone deserves and that she is being disrespected for not yet earning the respect of the men.

Men in the past had to be warriors, and hunters, requiring communication, and a clear sense of leadership. The survival of each man relied on their ability to work together and take orders. This natural hierarchy is also why men tend to work better in groups than women.

This is also why women are more attracted to status than guys are. Women don't have the same natural hierarchy that men have.

[gray_sailor]

MHO here ^^^

[AverageMike]

Dis guy I love it!

[Asker]

This is informative! How is the hierarchy established? Obviously you guy's don't sit there going, "I'm the leader. Then comes Bob, then John..."

[Opinion Owner]

Its fairly complex to try and explain. It is a part of our nature, and guys aren't normally aware that we are even doing it. It is a part of being a complex social animal.

Body language is a big part of it. The more confident guys capable of leading show certain body language, while insecure guys show other body language.

Humor is another part of it. Guys often make jokes about one another to test each other, and anytime a guy gets his feelings hurt shows an insecurity and we lose respect. Whereas the stronger men are more likely to laugh it of, or show how clever he is by adding something to the joke making it even funnier.

Noticing how other men react to each other is another part of it. Guys are more likely to agree with the assessment that other men have already made.

[Opinion Owner]

The courage to make decisions is also a huge part of it. A lot of people are afraid of making a decision and having everyone else disagree with them, or get angry if his idea doesn't work. I have even seen guys pushed into leadership roles against their will, because other guys were so much less willing to take on the leadership role themselves.

It is very casual, and often goes unnoticed but it is there. There is generally always one guy telling the other guys what they are going to be doing that day. There is often a second leader which is the best friend, that always defends the one in charge. On the bottom is the guy with the least confidence. The more he can't handle a joke about himself, the more the other guys find it funny to tease him. I think this is natures way to either toughen him up, or push him out of the group.

[Asker]

Thank you! I appreciate your thoroughness, you definitely deserve MHO :)

[GreatnessPersonified]

Also, to add the most dominate male is the one who is good at what he does. So, dude A may be great at fighting, so in war he's the go to guy, but dude B may be a better strategist, so others go to him.
No one guy is the best at everything, which is why teams are formed.

[Anonymous]

Those are just the words people are using. As for sizing each other up... Yes. Absolutely.

Big, muscular guys are the top dogs... because they can kill a smaller guy who doesn't know his place. There's no escaping it. If you have good muscular size, other guys will treat you with respect (because they know you are dangerous) and they won't fuck with you.

And women are more attracted to bigger guys (the only women who aren't are ugly girls who don't believe they can get the more attractive guy, let's not bullshit about this).

So yeah, we size each other up to determine if the other guy is someone we have to respect/fear, or if we are the ones who should be respected/feared.

Very cave-man level behavior of course... but this crap is happening on an unconscious level for all people, and for some, it's conscious. We are animals, and our animal instincts influence are thoughts and behaviors, no question.

[Asker]

Thank you for going so in depth with your reply! :) I appreciate that you took the time.

[AleDeEurope]

The Alpha and Beta thing is just an Internet thing, I never hear guys in real life say stuff like that.
We don't do anything of what you said, unless the guy is insecure and had trouble gaining the trust and respect of the group, so when another guy comes in he feels like he's gonna take over his spot, but like I said, it just happens with insecure guys.

[altair212]

shut up beta

[GreatnessPersonified]

I think that only happens when males and females are in close proximity. Like guy A is talking to girl A, and guy B steps in, he's going to assert that girl A is his, for now, so back off.
I saw it a lot.
Other than that, guys being around each other, we try to find some common ground to be friends on.

[Anonymous]

"puff up your chest and deepen your voice to establish social dominance"
lmao I don't know about other dudes but I honestly just go about my own so I don't really notice nor care.

[Rloco]

Only ignorant, uncivilized men. There is no alpha or

[ConsultantIsBack]

Alpha and beta just mean attractive/successful in life. It's really simple. Nothing to get high blood pressure over.

Gaggers like to be dramatic. Start taking about wolves lol

[Anonymous]

Hahah NO. Women compare themselves to each other, women are more critical of other women than even the most critical male is of other men.
Society actually uses the fact that women are so critical of themselves and each other to profit off it. It's the driving force behind the entire cosmetic, fashion, plastic surgery, and pharmaceutical industry.
Yeah there are some men who play the alpha beta game, it isn't a standard. Unlike the insecurities of almost all women.

So NO, guys don't puff up their chest, or deepen their voice to be better or create dominance. But the next time you feel like LOLing a lame ass idea about males, check yourself. You at some point have compared yourself to other females, have felt inadequacy, tried to make yourself look better or competed against some other female over a males attention.

[mistixs]

I wouldn't say that women have to compete more than men do. It's harder for guys to get laid than it is for women.

[Opinion Owner]

@mistixs You are right, It is harder for guys to get laid than women. We compete indirectly with other males by playing the bullshit female games and doing the shit test women give us before they allow us to have sex with them but we don't battle like alpha lions and shit. Of course there is always a douche bag or three that need to fight to show they are "tough", but in general most guys aren't out comparing themselves to each other.
Women don't "have to" compete more than men, they simply do. You can not deny that you compare yourself to women in real life and on tv and in media constantly. You buy products and clothes, and feed into the propaganda constantly trying to win attention of the opposite sex. (assuming you are straight).
Our world revolves around the insecurity of females and their need to constantly try and be better than every other female.

[Asker]

Lol I asked a question based on what I've seen in comments. I wasn't implying that men do that, I was giving obvious, classic examples. You sound very insecure and very spiteful, why are you so bitter against women?

[Opinion Owner]

Resorting to personal attacks and attempted shaming.
You have nothing further to give to the conversation. Thanks for playing.
Better luck next time.

[Asker]

I was simply asking why you felt the need to viciously attack women on a post that has nothing to do with them. You're right though, I will not waste time on a petulant boy. :)

[ihatethiswebsite]

I haven't seen any alpha beta stuff that wasn't on the Internet.

[Asker]

Me either, lol.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

no. that's just shit the internet made up because it's funny

[Anonymous]

I size other guys up, but not to establish dominance. More to tell if they are a threat or have the potential to become a threat.

[Anonymous]

Girls love it when guys do that. They don't want some pussy, ball-shriveled, dude in the corner...

[Sabretooth]

and we know how that works out.