I'd like to think that women don't like psychopaths - Or actually they do because psychopaths know when to show such emotions... Maybe my experience is much different than yours - but I never was the "strong dominant man", at least towards women specifically - my "dominance" might show in the group since that I'm very opinionated and quite entertaining - with women I'm usually just fun to be around, teasing bantering flirting and knowing each other and I've had really good interactions and relationships I'd say - I also was able to open up with a few of them - the ones I thought I was really close to and they're still the only people that know such things about me - They never made me feel like I should regret it even after it was over.. Don't hate them and don't "learn" everything you hear from people it just makes you resentful
I've seen some women say that once the man opened up to them they lost their mystery and moved on. Then I've seen some say it brought them closer together then ever. Guess it depends on the girl tbh. Not everyone is in a relationship for the right reasons. My dad was so drilled into not having emotions he has never shed a tear at any funeral that he's been to. Not for either of his parents or his grandmother, no one. I grew up under a hyper masculine roof and went to school in a hyper gynocentric school system. It wasn't the healthiest mix tbh, no balance really.
'Women like STRONG DOMINANT MEN. You can never be emotional or show weakness or insecurity to your partner.
It’s science. Otherwise women will start looking for other men if she sees any weakness in you.'
^ This kind of thinking is actually a clear sign of emotional trauma, I suggest you cut toxic relationships out of your life, and seek therapy.
@Ryfyle Oh sorry, let me guess.. You're a: 'STRONG DOMINANT ALPHA MALE 😤😤😤 WHO HAS A SIX PACK AND NO EMOTION.😡🤬💪💪💪' You get 'ALL THE LADIES, BECAUSE THEY ALL LOVE A STRONG, CONFIDENT, EMOTIONALLY CONSTIPATED, ALPHA 😎😎😎😫😤😤💪💪 by the way DID I MENTION STRONG? 💪💪💪😘😤😤😤😤' and 'I'M THE ONLY KIND OF REAL MAN 😡🤬🤬🤬🤬' kind of guy.. 💀💀
@Toast792 Here's the real kicker and why I said what I did in the first place. Why should you give a single angstrom of a fuck about what happens to a man? Why does the lack of emotion in men mean anything to you, a Self Described Asexual Lesbian. You opinion seems to be more of a social performance than a personal conviction. It's a Bullshit lie.
@Ryfyle I have brothers, both older and younger. I have guy friends. I have common decency. I want the world to step out of it's unrealistic standards for EVERYONE. Not only for women. Not only for the queer community. And not only for the people oppressed over racial bias. The only way society can be fixed, is if it steps out of this seemingly endless cycle of hatred, anger, and emotional abuse. It can only be fixed if people stop ignoring thing on the basis of 'that's the way it always has been'. It can only be fixed if people try to dispel the ridiculous amounts of misinformation we see being spread on a daily basis. That's why I give a fuck. The world is pretty fucked up, but still not unfixable. It'll never be perfect of course, but people can try to make it al least a bit more bearable.
Oh great, A full fucking Paragraph of 5 dollar platitudes and Ivory Tower Bullshit. Totally disconnected from the harsh reality knowing that your death is mere a waste product to keep the world running. A Man making less than 8 figures is a fucking nobody, A pawn, And nobody wastes a tear for a fucking pawn. They expect a Man to do his job and die quietly, that's how the world wants it. The cost of this modern world is a stack of bodies that reaches Mars, a real fucking steal. Nobody cares what a Pawn feels, so Why should the Pawn care himself?
Secondly, If you do you show any sort of emotion that isn't contempt, you become a liability. A fucking push over that can't be trusted to handle anything. Open up to somebody? Get belittled for being weak and have someone trivialize what you feel. The only way to get ahead, the only way to survive as a man is to run off pure reason or pure anger. I've learned well from my mistakes, and the person most likely to disappoint you is the closest.
@Ryfyle Andd, this just brings me back to my original statement. This kind of thinking is actually a clear sign of emotional trauma, I suggest you cut toxic relationships out of your life, and seek therapy. Sorry you've been hurt in your life, but that isn't typically the way stuff works. Trust me, I know how it feels to 'understand reality', but trauma dumping online isn't going to help anything. From what I understand, (I'm not good at putting this type of thing into words, so bear with me) much like myself, you're an individual who has always been more intelligent that the average person. You have been through some sort of severe emotional trauma, so now even if you do want to open up to people (assuming you ever would), you find yourself unable to do so. You have a constantly working mind that tends to focus on the more pessimistic parts of life. Being who you are, It's incredibly hard NOT to find logic in your negative thoughts. The situation being thus, you continue to lurk in the dark crevices of your mind, becoming more cold and bitter the deeper you go. The trauma, at least, is so fucking clear you might as well have just typed that as your first reply. I could diagnose you with several things quite easily if I were able to just sit down somewhere and talk to you. (Not that I would ever want to) Sadly, the mere fact you continue to deny that this kind of thinking has anything to do with trauma, throws all my assumptions of a possible higher intelligence out the fucking window. But, it's not like I could properly pick anything out, simply from words on a screen..
You must break a marble block to make a marble statue. Trauma, the scars within our minds is what makes us. If I were to cut that "toxic" Relationship out, that would be simple suicide. I've burned through every wall in my way to get where I'm at now, and I don't see any reason to stop
I Live a world apart from most of the people close to me. They really can't be considered Malefactors. I'm the reason, the flagellant, Grinding myself into a sharper edge. It's easy to see the world for what it is from a tattered, isolated position. It's not fun resetting your own ribs.
i’ve only heard men tell other men, usually fathers to their son’s, to “man up” which is one of the upheld standards of the patriarchy by the patriarchy. (yeah i know blah feminism blah a lot of people hate these words but i believe it to be true). anyways personally i prefer a man who is open and communicates about his feelings and not so boarded up. this macho man ideal is one of the reasons the male suicide rate is so high but like i said i’ve only seen/heard men say it so to answer the original question, i think it’s actually that most men are afraid to be emotional in front of other men. and if a woman doesn’t like you to talk about your emotions, she also has her own problems she needs to work out on her own. but that’s just my take on it…
@cosmicallyinclined Less College attendance and dropping out of the economy at large. If anything we should be encouraging more male suicide.
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I'm a Dominant man, and don't hide my feelings at all. If something bothers me, everyone knows. If the woman I'm with don't like it, the door swings both ways.
I'm not insecure simply because I don't give a f'k about being judged. Everyone is welcomed to it and has to do it to some degree. I really don't 'need' validation from random people either.
I'm not offended by a woman telling me to 'man up' or saying anything at all to be honest. My woman can be upset and insult me, throw a tantrum, want to stab me in the forehead with a kitchen knife, it don't phase me. I only require respect and if I feel I've been disrespected I let it be known. Of course, being stabbed in the forehead I consider highly disrespectful, otherwise, it will pass or the door still swings both ways.
This makes no sense to me to be otherwise.
True. Women look for their man to be their emotional rock. A lighthouse in their stormy seas of feelings and emotions all swirling around in their little head.
If you show weakness she'll instantly lose respect for you. And men don't HAVE a feminine side. PERIOD.
A mans brain runs on facts and logic.
A woman's brain runs on feelings and emotions.
Women connect emotionally.
Guys connect physically.
This isn't to say guys don't have ANY emotions, it's just a very different dynamic and a basic difference between the two genders. Embrace it, don't fight it. IT's the giant lie of feminism that everybody is the same and equal. They are not, never have been and never will be.
Raising little boys to be like little girls is the latest giant failure of our current culture. Both genders of children need a strong male figure in their life, so they come to understand the value of what being a man is. No, a woman can't be a father. PERIOD.
@Browneye57 Ok buddy whatever makes you happy..
Women want and are attracted to strong and stoic men. This may piss a lot of the male feminists and white knights out there but it is true. Women view emotional men as weak , incapable of protecting them - this did not bode well in the days when our ancestors lived in caves and their were large predatory animals trying to kill you , your mate and your off spring or perhaps enemy tribes trying to kidnap you. Men had to be strong and dominant - if you were weak you had a higher chance of being killed.
Indeed , times have changed and our modern society is very different but our genome is the same as 10,000 years ago. Culture changes in a few generations - evolution on the other hand takes eons.
I assume that you’re married my wife and I don’t agree with your comment. I grew up with a lot of people that failed science that make up facts and dates. They’ll even try to quote buzz words as if they know what they’re talking about. But there’s always somebody for everybody I hope you’re happy out there.
@IrishPotatoSkin yes I am very happy. Thank you very much!!
Short answer, masculinity and Femininity need too be balance between a human beingn, you can be an emotionally strong man but also feminine and you can be a gentle women but also mescaline, because today's problem is that men thinks being masculine is to fight against others men and not to cry like a baby because that will be feminine, I mean sure because I think women are doing the exact same damn thing as well, even some women are being more like men this days.
I don't think there's a line you can draw between what you should be or do regardless of what gender you are. I think society have made men too fucking masculine and women too feminine and some women too masculine.
I think some of the best han quality came from gay people with both gender because they don't have any boundary between gender restriction.
Don't believe what women say, they don't lie but their pussies have different criteria in partner choice and admiration than their brains.
Women are very often obsessive about banalities and they circle around with their thoughts about some things which a guy decides in milliseconds. You're the one who put things right and of course takes responsibility. Because this is what women won't do.
You can be the STRONG DOMINANT MAN occasionally in bed room, but all the time you have to be the one who knows what to do.
I like men same as I like myself & women or humans. You can cry you can be sad it’s ok … this gorilla style to be strong etc wtf we are not living in the Hellenic Times. It’s ok for a men to be emotional. If I have a son I wouldn’t want him to be this abnormal to satisfy some social norms.
Only in small doses and if they've been together for years.
Emotional men are dangerous in my opinion. And as someone pointed out here, anger is an emotion too and some men show it. Like in this scene from "Marriage story":
Ima add that to my watch list, thanks!
@Sweepthelegjonny most men don’t know how to process their emotions. The only emotions that they’ve been taught they’re allowed to have is anger in the face of adversity or Joy at accomplishments. (Quoting my dad here) “anything else is pu$$y $hit!)
It is the current nicotine-like trend
Of course men can be emotional to us. Even under the lens of "men must be dominant and strong" to be attractive to us, think of it this way.
What shows your dominance more than showing weakness without fear?
What shows strength more than showing others how you really feel, without letting society dictate how you feel about it?
Inner strength like that is infinitely more appealing than some emotionally stunted man with trust issues. You have emotions, express them.
I agree for most cases but I think that there should be reasons and situations where you should be able to show your weaknesses or problems to her. That´s something different than being emotional or a drama queen.
Because that´s something different.
I strongly disagree... I'll tell a man to man up if he thinks it's "unmanly" for a man to show emotions and communicate his feelings with his partner... it's lame as fuck.
Being a strong dominant man does not mean you're emotionally stale... that's not attractive at all. Just like with everything else in life, there should be a balance, and having and also maintaining that balance is what makes ANY individual strong in my opinion.
a lot of women do like strong dominant men, but that doesn’t mean we don’t want them to be vulnerable and open up to us about what’s going on. communication of feelings is what we want. a lot of men refuse to do so, and it builds up and destroys them — leading it to destroy the relationship.
men can absolutely be vulnerable and emotional to women, as long as they allow us to be vulnerable and emotional as well.
This topic is a great example of how women will say one thing but do another, and it's why men give men better dating advice than women do.
Women will say they like it when men are emotional because it's what they are supposed to say and it makes them feel better about themselves, but men being emotional is a classic turnoff to women who are not already in love with the man, and even then it can make them feel "icky".
This premise is false.
Listen to what women are saying. There is a difference between you being a strong man who sometimes needs emotional support and be a very baby. They love the first and hate the second. Just like they hate a man who never is vulnerable.
Trust me women do love when a tough man relies on her occasionally.
I have my own experience to prove this.
Spot on my man, spot on. Women will always dispute this because they want to feel in touch with their man. But this is one of the things women don't know about themselves till it happens. As soon as it does she'll judge him harshly for it. And she'll chalk it up to one of them women things that she doesn't fully understand. It's just one of the things women never take responsibility for.
That complete and utter bullshit. If a woman does that she's a shitty person and shouldn't be in that relationship in the first place.
@Subarugirl so it hasn't happened to you yet eg? Well when it does you'll see what I'm talking about. Granted you have to be honest with yourself but most women aren't.
This is false. I did show my wife my demons when she was still my girlfriend. I opened up to her in a vulnerable moment and... well she is my wife now so that idea that we get dumped when we show our emotions is simply false.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 OK first of all I said "judged" not dumped. She may stay with you but she'll lose a lot of respect for you. She will not look at you the same way again. Secondly there's always exceptions to the rule. Whenever I posts these truths there will always be women that are exceptions. I'm speaking IN general.
P. s. I'm glad it's working between you and your wife. And I hope after years of being married she doesn't tell you won day out of the blue she wants a divorce because she wants a "real man".
No she won't. In fact she will feel closer and more connected with you.
And this is the rule. The exception are the girls that will look at you differently. Look around in this question. Look at what the girls are saying.
Thank you, but I am really really not worried that might happen.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 disagree.
My father wore his heart on his sleeve when I was growing up and I have immense respect for him. His emotional maturity and intelligence made him a wonderful father as opposed to my mother who was closed off cold and distance. I saw my father cry many times growing up and he is still one of the strongest people I know. I was fortunate enough to marry a man who has a similar approach, I have seen him cry, watched him morn, I have been there when he needed someone to lean on and support, and I will tell you right now that I respect the shit out of that man. It takes trust to be emotionally vulnerable, and with out that vulnerability there is no intimacy.
@Subarugirl I Never said a guy shouldn't fake it for a woman. You give her just enough to satisfy her. But your real feelings you keep bottled up and remain stoic. That's dealing with women 101. She thinks you're sharing but you're really not. You Guage how much she'll accept. You never fully tip your hand to a woman.
Why on earth would you even be with someone you don't trust? Might as well stay single if you're not going all in and keeping things from your spouse.
@Subarugirl trust and full honesty is what builds a strong relationship. Half truths are just lies and no relationship lasts with stonewalling. I hope that the Opinion owner can bridge the gap and find deeper support. If he needs couples counseling I’m sure it’s available in his area. Love is not a surface level thing. Support is not something that makes you week. Healthy relationships mean you don’t hold peoples worst moments against them. We love them for who they are flaws/weaknesses and all. and we don’t rub it in their face.
@subarugirl lol I am. I'm just trying to help my brethren.
@irishpotatoskin settle down simp. She already said she's married she's most likely not giving you a sniff. 🤣
Men are more emotional than women but we just don’t show it like women do.
It’s evolution, men deal with emotions internally and by ourselves.
https://www.elitedaily.com/dating/guys-more-emotional-girls/1077730
Yeah I disagree. I think a strong man can be emotional with a woman. I was put in a submissive situation with my girlfriend, and the outcome was her loving me more
I disagree with this because I’m very attracted to men who show their emotions/feelings… it’s human to experience emotions it’s not a sign of weakness.. that’s nonsense.
well they can in very narrowly defined areas. for example if their dog or their mom dies. but if they are emotional outside of the unspoken boundaries, she'll leave.
That's not true
@Subarugirl i wish it wasn't...
@Subarugirl maybe it's not true for you and some people you know. but generally speaking about overall society, yes that's true.
That is the epitome of toxic masculinity, teaching boys from a young age that repressing their emotions is masculine. All that does is give us a bunch of emotionally illiterate men who can process their own emotion let alone express them to anyone else. Unable to be emotionally intimate with their partners because, learning how to process your emotion in a healthy way is for wimps...
@Subarugirl it's not toxic masculinity, to state the fact that women will leave you for being emotional outside of the boundaries that they find acceptable. why do women turn every negative shit back on men? if anything, this is toxic femininity.
I'm not saying that men are toxic, or that masculinity is toxic, masculinity and toxic masculinity are not synonymous. I am not turning this around on men, this is huge issue that primarily effects men and their ability to form healthy relationships. It's damaging to mental health. Learning how to process thoughts and feeling and emotions in a safe and heathy way is crucial. motional maturity and mental health is important, but the two are not synonymous. If you're not able to be emotionally vulnerable than you're probably not able to be emotionally intimate, that lack of trust and communication destroys relationships.
@Subarugirl, if "toxic masculinity" isn't meant to bash men and masculinity, than why is it called "toxic masculinity?" Wouldn't it be better to just explain how it's hurting men as a male issue instead of making it a women's issue masked as a man's issue? It's the same with the word "feminism" being called "FEM"inism and claiming to be about the equality of both men and women when all feminists care about are women's issues. This is why I am not and never will be a feminist.
@Subarugirl Yes you're turning this around on men and it's bloody obvious.
@genericname85 Funny how she claims it's not true while she is the one who doesn't know how it is to be a man dating heterosexual women. Next thing I'll claim that menstruation cramps are not a big deal and that women are exaggerating, but watch WW3 start when I do that.
@TruthBringer there's no reasoning with those people. they will attack you for "mansplaining", while litterally womansplaining male behavior... it's ridiculius. people have their notions independend of verifiable facts or any sort of rational understanding and observation of the real world. that's just what people are like today. they get their opinions from media. not from the real world or science.
@genericname85 Tell me about it. It's really pathetic and predictable at this point. I'm currently arguing with a dude who is married to a feminist and he claims that a husband isn't entitled to his wife's body. Because apparentely a married couple have no rights and aren't entitled to each other now lmfao
@TruthBringer, sounds like this guy would be fine if she had sex with another man. I bet he would claim to trust her enough not to cheat. I'm sure we all know she probably will if not has been already and he just hasn't found out yet
@Heartache0405 It's the same guy you're debating when you said to the other person's question not to date a feminist.
I can't say if she did something behind his back, but knowing this guy for a while now, he did admit his woman wears the pants in the relationship. LMFAO
I had a feeling it was the same dude.
Hopefully he'll figure out that he screwed up by marrying a feminist. One of these days he will really regret it
@Subarugirl i just wanted to say before i mute this entire threat cause too many people are involved, that i have no personall issue with you. you just can't tell a man that "it's toxic masculinity to assume you are gonna be left for showing emotions", when that exact thing fucking happens in the real world we live in. male behavior doesn't develop on a vaccum. it develops in the context of their experience. and if a guy experiences being abendoned upon being "too emotional", he will stop being emotional. it is their reaction to compe with the behavior that they are confronted with in women. it is not some bullshit delusional idea men have developed outside of reality.
@Subarugirl and labeling male coping mechanisms that they developed to litterally survive in this hostile world "toxic"... is exactly that. toxic. watch what happens, when a man has an emotional break down and becomes depressed, maybe losing their job. that woman is gone. 70% of divorces are initiated by women. this isn't some sort of "joke". men are left for being emotional left right and center so that's why they harden up to try to not let that happen.
@genericname85 Watch all of that go straight over her head
@TruthBringer, no doubt 😂
@geneicnames85, she's probably using the phrase "toxic masculinity" against get husband in every argument they have. I have no doubt that he is getting fed up with her and is probably depressed unsure of what to do. Poor man... 😕
@Heartache0405 When it comes to that dude who married a feminist, I do hope it all works out for him. It's not a good thing to hope another person's relationship fails just to be like "AHA! I told you!". At the same time , it wouldn't strike me as a surprise that there are things happening behind his back. I simply find it sad and laughable that he allowed himself to be neutred by her. Screams scarcity and lack of self-respect. Glad I don't allow myself to go through that. On the contrary, I'm with a wonderful girl who is just as traditional as I am.
That is one of the biggest aspects of toxic masculinity
So seeking a professional therapist as opposed to talking to your partner who is probably cheating or using your emotions to manipulate you is considered toxic?
@Heartache0405 no not at all. Being told that you cannot express your emotions with out being seen as weakness. That kind of emotional repression is extremely damaging.
@Subarugirl, Shouldn't it be up to the man in question whether they want to express their own emotions or not? And to whom he wants to express said emotions to? Why should it be anyone else's decision for him?
@Heartache0405 I never said that I said that pushing the agenda "Being told that you cannot express your emotions with out being seen as weakness. That kind of emotional repression is extremely damaging." Teaching little children that "boys don't cry" that emotional vulnerability with your spouse is a sign of weakness or masculine is bull shit.
@Subarugirl, Ok, then if all men expressed their emotions to their girl all the time, the girl he's with will feel as though he isn't strong enough to keep her safe and will either cheat for someone stronger or break up for someone stronger and more emotionally powerful. It may be toxic but the alternative isn't any better
@Heartache0405 There is a big difference between emotional vulnerability and being a whiney pessimist. Your spouse shouldn't be your therapist either, if you need one you should get one. Emotional maturity and mental health is important, but the two are not synonymous. If you're not able to be emotionally vulnerable than you're probably not able to be emotionally intimate, that lack of trust and communication destroys relationships.
@Subarugirl" toxic masculinity". Sure. While you sit here neglect the fact that so may women if not the majority don't want a man who expresses his emotions. And you scratch your head to why so many men stray away from women or are afraid to open up. Because time and many men's experience have shown that if a man opens himself up or confesses his love, more often than the girl will start to lose attraction. To shove the blame to the man that he is being "too emotional" and "unstable", you've created a strawman argument. You're not a man, so who are you to tell us how we experience dating heterosexual women?
@heartache0405 You're absolutely right.
@Subarugirl Allow me to say that I wholeheartedly agree with your last comment. No one should be another's personal therapist and emotional maturity shouldn't be an issue. This is what you and I both know. But tell that to all the men out there who confessed their emotions and feelings only to get stabbed in the back or have a cold shoulder turned towards them. Do us an even better one and go tell that to the women out there who reject men who show emotional maturity and preach they don't want emotional men. But of course, it's all men's fault isn't it? Funny coming from a self-proclaimed "humanitarian".
@TruthBringer I was just telling in part what a healthy relationship looks like. I’m not saying that people don’t have issues, men and women both have issues, but if you want a healthy successful relationship there has to be a good foundation of respect, intimacy and communication, that you includes emotional intimacy.
If you can’t trust your spouse enough to be vulnerable with them and if they don’t have ability to be a safe place for you to be vulnerable… then it’s not a healthily relationship and doomed to fail.
@Subarugirl Yes I wholeheartedly agree with that. I'm very fortunate to have found myself a girl who isn't going to turn her back when I show some healthy vulnerability. I've dealt with girls who did. And many other men the same. Hence why finding a woman who isn't so shallow to ignore the fact that men are humans with emotions too is like finding a needle in a haystack. They are out there, but very hard to find and are overshadowed by the women who don't like men who aren't stoic 24/7. But since the reality is just that, you can't blame men for straying away from relationships. Although I may not agree with giving up on them, I do understand it.
In any way, you're balming things on toxic masculinity, which is a manipilation attempt to shove the blame towards men, like men are the issue here. While you've neglected the very obvious and CRUCIAL factor which is WOMEN who don't like vulnerability in men. I can say that's part of toxic femininity towards men.
@TruthBringer toxic masculinity isn’t a blame on men it’s toxic traits that are deemed masculine…. Woman can have “masculine” traits too as you pointed out. Toxic masculinity effect men and women, and society as a whole in a negative light. It’s not a jab at men… it’s serious issue that primarily effects men.
@Subarugirl, Do you believe that women have any negative or toxic traits that are considered feminine and not masculine? Or is it all inherently masculine and can't be feminine?
@Heartache0405 everyone has some sort of toxic trait, though most aren’t pushed by society.
@Subarugirl, that doesn't answer my question 😅 should I ask it again? Or are you intelegent enough to find it yourself
@Heartache0405 I mean I thought that that a were was pretty obvious so I’ll say it again…. Of course there are
@Subarugirl And I can say toxic femininity has also a big part in this thing, not just toxic masculinity. Maybe even bigger since men are told to toughen up FOR THE SAKE OF women looking at it biologically. So while you're sitting here blaming it on buzzterms like toxic masculinity (which has been debunked before by other people), you're neglecting the play of toxic femininity.
@Heartache0405 See how she beat around the bush with your question and gave you a politically correct one that answers to both genders when your question is obviously only about women here? Yeah, so did I.
@TruthBringer, yup. That's their usual play. Just can't say that women do anything wrong ever. Must think women are oh so perfect all the time and can't do wrong or have any toxic traits linked to their own gender. It's always gotta be on the men. Even when they claim its for men's benefit
@Heartache0405 never said that, but feel free to put words in my mouth.. I’m going to get started on dinner for when my husband gets home. You two have fun
@TruthBringer, At least she's aware that there are only 2 genders 😂 she just inherently hates one of them in favor of the other. Like majority of the type
@Subarugirl, Alright. Don't go poisoning it now
@Heartache0405 If I hated men I wouldn’t have married one sweetie.
@Subarugirl, lucky him. Girls like you are why I remain single
@Heartache0405 why? Because I don’t roll over and agree with everything you say?
@Subarugirl, nah, because I'm pretty sure you're exactly like the girl who falsely accused me of stalking and sent me a PPO for no good reason that I just to fight off. You seem like exactly the type who would do that.
@Heartache0405 well I haven’t accused you of anything other than having a twisted perception of what healthy romantic relationship requires.
@Subarugirl, And the fact that you care so much about the perception of one guy, after being told by multiple people on multiple threads on here that you don't actually care about the health of anyones relationships. You make it seem that way but that's just a manipulation tactic that women like you tend to use. Again Ill ask, why do you care about the health of other people's relationships when you have your own to worry about?
@Heartache0405 I care about the spread of false information. Especially if it’s damaging perpetuating toxic behaviors, like repressing emotions
@Subarugirl, only if it's a man doing it and not a woman. How righteous of you. Please, don't let me stop you from your heroic calling malady 😂
@Subarugirl Sweetheart, you mostly care about throwing blame at men and the already debunked "toxic masculinity" buzzterm. It's only that other people here showed you the way and exposed the flaw in your mindset (and by the mention of women's play as well as 'toxic femininity' in why men having a hard time expressing emotions) that you start to act in a more political correct way.
@Heartache0405 never said that.. it’s just as bad when a woman does it
@Subarugirl
Oof, they seem to multiply daily, don't they? They get rejected by a few women (or in one case apparently the courts had to get involved to keep a guy from stalking her), start visiting a bunch of toxic websites and suddenly speak as if they were experts.
Not that it was needed, but the polls above are basically a non scientific approach to what you are basically already saying. It's ok for guys to express emotions and we aren't going to judge them harshly for it.
@Ez-bri-z, it was a false accusation by a bitch with a panic disorder who used said disorder and get gender to manipulate the situation to her own gain. I never stalked her. But girls like you and @Subarugirl like to defend other girls who enjoy using your sex and disorders to ruin a man's life. Women shouldn't have this much power and protection.
@Ez-Bri-Z, actually, the judge didn't. The reason I took her to court was to remove an unjustly served PPO and my lawyer, who she had tried to hire while the lawyer was already under my service, was able to get it changed to a temporary restraining order that went away because I DIDN'T DO WHAT THE BITCH CLAIMED I DID.
@Ez-Bri-Z, the fact that you're so quick to defend another bitch without all of the information leads me to believe that you're a major Misandrist. I feel bad for whoever ends up dating you and especially ends up marrying you
Been with someone for nearly 20 years at this point so oof there goes your attempt at trying the "I feel sorry for your future..." card. Wanna try again? Go on, I bet you can do better than that.
Oh for the record, I didn't defend her, I said that courts don't just issue one without some kind of proof. You can always fight it later which you did, but I can't just go up and get one on some random person without some sort of proof.
@Ez-Bri-Z, I'm pretty sure you don't know what it's like to wake up ever morning feeling the need to throw up because some bitch decided to go to the police in two different counties to file false reports so that she could have me arrested on our small campus when I didn't do shit. All we did was hang out after class.
@Ez-Bri-Z, you must not know what Ex Parte means
@Ez-Bri-Z, no. My lawyer said I couldn't do anything to get her back for what she did. So I switched schools. And stopped talking to women unless we were in groups. I still only hang eith women in groups after almost 5 years after it happened because why the fuck should I trust any woman after that shit
@Ez-Bri-Z, well the judge wouldn't know if I wasn't able to give my side of the story now would they? Taking her side at face value was why I took her to court to get the ex parte ppo changed. Because it was harassment what she was doing and she got away with it.
What does your lawyer have to do with it? If she filed a false police report than that would be a police matter.
20-4-375. Filing false protection order; criminal penalty; civil liability.
(A) A person who knowingly or wilfully makes, presents, files, or attempts to file a false, fictitious, or fraudulent foreign protection order is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than five thousand dollars or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both, in the discretion of the court.
@Ez-Bri-Z, well I'm telling you she got away with it. Even though she falsely accused me. Should have been charged for filling a false protection order but she wasn't. My lawyer even told my dad and I that there was nothing we could do other than change the ppo and let it petter out.
I don't know why I'm even trying to explain it to you... You weren't even there you wouldn't have been able to understand how it all went down. If you want to believe im a stalker than go right ahead. I don't even fucking know you
@Ez-Bri-Z, if you say so.
@Heartache0405 pretty much ever mental health expert says that.. you’d be hard pressed to find one doesn’t
Hey there again Bringer.
Actually, funny story, turns out anti depressants have the opposite effect on me and they were actually causing the major depression. Been off them a few months and been feeling terrific actually. Thanks for being concerned about my health!
I didn't turn lesbian though, I've just always been that way and never had a sexual attraction to guys so on that note you are wrong.
You are also wrong about being a misandrist. I actually defend guys on this site quite often. I'm for equality and what you tried to make a point on was not equality. In fact, by making a counter point to what you wrote, I was providing an equal say in your misogynistic article.
Also I blocked you not for your take, but because frankly, you are pretty insulting and offer nothing of substance to conversations other than insults and easily disprovable lies which is why I will only refer to you as Bringer.
I also didn't take a side which shows me even more how much of a victim stance the two of you take. I said courts don't give a ppo without some sort of cause. I didn't say it wasn't fabricated or the severity of it. If anything I took the courts side and the legal process *shrug*
Emotions are part of what makes us human. I don't care if society want to make guys emotionless machines, if my partner is going through something hard I'll be there for him as he would be there for me too.
I don’t like guys that are all tough and big and bad, I only let my guard done if the guy is sensitive and vulnerable once in a while.
Yes a man can be emotional with a woman but I think instead of being sympathetic towards her emotions it'd be best to be empathetic because when a woman needs a shoulder to cry out a man should not be crying
Anger is an emotion and men get openly angry at women all the time.
I agree. Talking to a therapist would be far better than talking to a female partner who could use your emotions to their own benefit.
If you can't trust your partner enought to be vulnerable then they shouldn't be your partner.
@Subarugirl, Agreed
What women don’t want is a weak man. Getting emotional sometimes doesn’t make you weak, it just means that you’re not a robot or a psychopath. If you’re always whining about life and getting emotional over everything though yeah she’ll leave you.
Exactly there is a difference between emotional maturity and a whiny pessimist. No one likes a whiny pessimist.
I would agree. Women just don’t want a man who’s a crybaby with everything in life
I think women say they like honest, sincere, sensitive and genuine guys... but once you open with any emotions they tend to judge you pretty hard.
I disagree. From personal experience, many women find a man very attractive when he shows his emotions, even to the point of crying. And then many are as you say as well.
I don't know any scientific studies that shows that.. you've got a link?
It will anyway still only be a trend and not applicable to every woman.. I can just consider myself as proof.. I am totally not feeling that way about emotional men.
I disagree. Just sounds like that's the wrong kind of lady if you can't be emotional around them.
Sadly, too many wrong ladies out there. Finding the right one is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. It's actually right what he says. If not, then this whole issue with men not showing emotions and are also DYING and women losing them because of it wouldn't be a thing.
I only agree about the not showing weakness part. That is true. However, I apply that same standard to grown women. Any female under 20 is exempt, but most adult women shouldn't be cowardly, weak, or a cry-baby, either. But I think you can still be emotional and honest around the RIGHT woman.
I personally prefer them to be open with me and it’s not a turn off at all
the other simple aspect is that, they dont give a shit about your feelings or worries.
We are not robots. We feel emotions too. Sone surpress it mors than others. This world is up side down. If a woman thinks a man should not have emotions, stay away from me.
You can still be a real man and show emotions. Sometimes it takes real guts to let it all hang out.
Yes, women blame men for not opening up but women are mostly attracted to what they claim is the "Toxic masculine man" ironic really inb4 individualism
they can be emotional is they want to be and isn't be gender.
They can but they are slitting their own throat in the relationship
I do but then I also have no emotions so it doesn't apply to me
Men who opened up to women will tell you. It's a turn off. They can't help it.
He can not that women will find that attractive but sure he can be
I think only a secure man can be emotional in front of women.
Yeah, and she'll ask you to be emotional but then she'll leave you if you do. I've seen it before.
That's the kind of girl you don't want.
That wouldn't make them Men anymore. That would make them worthless subhumans.
Heck naw look how they get during their period and you want us to sit and cry with you 😭 never!!!
I love an emotional guy. I like when he can be him self around me and tell me his true thoughts
I don’t want any emotional man
Exactly you can’t show emotion to a woman
That's not true at all
If the woman feels as though her man isn't emotionally powerful enough, she'll look for another guy who is. You can't have both an emotionally weak yet strong dude whenever you have a mood swing.
@Heartache0405 Emotional maturity isn't weakness, if anything it is the complete opposite, it takes a lot of strength for someone to be introspective enough to identify what they are feeling and how to communicate, you can't be emotionally intimate, with being vulnerable, that lack of trust and communication will kill a relationship.
@Subarugirl, must explain why women are wondering where all the good men are these days. Those good men are, according to you, aren't emotionally intimate enough. 🤷🏻♂️ oh well
@Heartache0405 My definition of a good man isn't a sociopath... in part its someone with the emotional maturity to be able to process emotions in a healthy way instead of an emotionally repressive, distant person that has no idea how to connect with me on anything other than a superficial level... that's not a relationship.
@Subarugirl, Alright, then say your man does confide in you. He starts crying. What do you do?
Now you do the same with him and you start to break down, what do you expect from him?
@Heartache0405 I pick up the slack, because that's what you do in a relationship. I do my best to be there for him in any way that he needs me. Ask him what he needs from me. Does he need space, comfort, a safe place to mourn, or a shoulder to cry on, someone to talk to, or just someone to be there? No one can be strong all the time, you need a support system, I do that for my husband and expect the same from him. Some times I need space to work through what ever the issue is, sometimes I just need him there, but shutting your spouse out just pushes them away.
@Subarugirl, not all relationships are going to work out like that. Maybe yours does and that's good for you. But not all relationships are like yours so why tell others how their relationships should be?
I remember crying in front of my ex once and she only panicked because she didn't want her dad to find out sense I was visiting from across the state. I cried in front of another ex because I thought we were going to break up and she didn't do shit. I cried when I couldn't be there in person for my first girlfriend because I didn't drive and my dad wouldn't take me to see her because the weather was bad. Its never done me any good to cry in front of any of my girlfriend's. So why do you care what other people's relationships are like? Just focus on your own.
@Heartache0405 Actually this was advice that I got from a marriage counselor, he said it applies to all relationships. You have to be able to connect with someone deeper than just superficially other wise the relationship isn't going to work out, and that takes both parties. Being emotionally unavailable isn't a good thing in a relationship/marriage. I'm not telling you what to do, but I am telling you what won't work long term, and all repression and unavailability will do in a romantic relationship will do is destroy it.
@Subarugirl, Alright. Whatever you say. I've stopped dating 6 -7 years ago and don't plan to getting back into it. You continue to try and save others relationships instead of focusing on your own and let your counselor do their job.
@Heartache0405 lol I am not trying to save your relationships. I'm just telling you in part what a healthy relationship looks like. You've been hurt in the past and that kind of trauma stays with you but that doesn't mean that's how things should be.
@Subarugirl Like I said under your own comment section, go preach this to women who reject men for showing emotions (that includes emotional maturity).
I feel bad for you if you believe that.
Said the 15 year old girl who doesn't know how it is to date heterosexual women. I feel bad for you for speaking about matters you know nothing about.
@TruthBringer 86% of the women answering this poll disagree with you... so there is that.
This is no longer 1950.
It’s not about the year it’s about evolution. You will be less attracted and loving towards your man if he’s going through something
Don’t presume things about me.
I do respectfully disagree with you.
Woman understand emotions far better now than they did in a date such as 1950. Emotions are not weakness, they are healing to get to allow a man to get to a strong and healthy mind.
Bottling emotions creates nothing but lonely, angry, negativity.
No I’m saying men should deal with it on their own. Not bottle up, but seek help elsewhere
Ah I misunderstood.
No sorry I meant deal with it but keep it to themselves so their wives don’t know
I think your parents may have fucked you up dude.
Yes they can. But sometimes they dont need this
Men can be emotional as well as women y'know
Sometimes, even caring is a weakness.
Men are only emotional when things affect them
That’s complete BS. I mean seriously.
Yeah it really is
Emotion can be a strength
Sounds like you’re fishing in shitty ponds
sad to see so many lies
Not if they dont want to be crushed
yes, if testosterone is low
Women like a balance of both
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