Men that get their ego hurt by that need to do some serious self inventory and self improvement. Because you should be completely self sufficient and able to provide a good quality of life for yourself. Relationships should always be about improving you quality of life. They should never be about being needed. Because when you base it off improving the quality of life, you are a hell of a lot less likely to keep someone around if they are making your quality of life worse. When you base it off being needed you can very much end up being stuck in a bad relationship.
Also we project a lot even when we don't know we are. So if you are having issues dating, getting into a relationship or just getting laid its more then likely because you are projecting a lot of crap and women are avoiding you because they are picking up on what you are projecting. It also can lead to you getting stuck in a bad relationship. Simply due to what you are projecting making it hard for you to pick up on all the negative crap she is.
The keyword is sex. Have or don't have.
What you wrote in the Detail applies to many men too.
Is sex is NOT needed, then men don't need to get married too.
In fact, many men today are self-sufficient as you described, and live a life of promiscuity, without the desire for marriage, and are happy too.
And I think the same is applicable to women.
In other words, promiscuity has created a new social "norm", where the marriage institution is slowly being demolished.
Yes, I agree with you. But I say, man is the same too.
Take away promiscuity. Illegal to have premarital sex, punishable by 20 years jail term and 100 strokes of the cane.
I'm quite sure both genders will get married again, doesn't matter their social status.
It's true for men as well, indeed. Marriage and relationship are primarily for sexual purposes. It's the reality. We can find companionship in friends. š
Indeed. Perhaps this is why marriage is also called "legal prostitution" (a widespread joke).
Even the Bible loosely use marriage as a means to "avoid fornication" (1 Corinthians Chapter 7).
And religious virgins save until their wedding day.
These tell a lot about why individuals choose not to marry nowadays: that promiscuity is no longer scorn upon; and pre-marital sex is in fact celebrated; hence a very powerful motivation to get married is removed.
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I don't WANT a woman who is dependent on me.
But no I don't think it is TOO much of a threat to my ego. What I would be more concerned about is how SHE values me, since women are more judgy towards men about this stuff than vice versa.
I mean, I don't NEED a woman, and it's been like that for some time. If women don't NEED men, it's just them catching up to our economic freedoms in this regard.
But yeah, if a woman is with me because she needs me, then it's hard to tell if she even wants me. If a woman earns as much as I do or even more, or is otherwise self-sufficient, then I know she simply desires me, that I'm not reduced to some paycheck and bodyguard. That sounds like a sweet deal to me.
No. It actually simplifies my life. I don't ever worry about whether she likes or doesn't like me anymore. I figure if she does she'll tell me. And if she doesn't then we don't need to be together. No problem. I actually think this is the way things should be. No more of the guy chasing the woman. Or if they want you to chase them. They can just say "hey I want you to chase me". No more of this ambiguous "what is she thinking anymore" for now on women can just say what they're feeling. So much easier!
Doesn't bother me really. There are still good women out there, just harder to find.
Also, most of those "independent" women that don't NEED a man, start looking for the "good guy" in their 40s after they have a few kids and NEED someone else's income to support their "strong" life choices.
Nouh , it does sound like some sort of relieve because when men is deciding to engage in relationship or marriage with a female odds are stocked against him and most of the risk on his hand, if he was of by an I ch with his jidjem t and it doesn't work out he is the one who's gonna be paying of her mortageg for the foreseeable future and rent some shuthole for himself.
I am guessing if she she was after a ring and you fucked with your forecast - she is probably not the self sufficient woman that you mentioned.
No. What are they supposed to do, live with their parents and remain virgins until they get married, and then become June Cleaver house wives?
I'm manly enough to gain the love and admiration of a woman who can take care of herself. lt actually makes me feel more confident knowing that such a woman wants to be with me, not because she needs someone to take care of her.
It's not ego that hurts, it's the fact that men aren't needed for most of what they're supposed to bring to a relationship.
Yes, but a lot of men don't see it that way still. They actually still think a woman needs them in their lives in terms of a relationship and marriage or she is totally screwed in life and like you said that's 100% non fact.
Those days are far long gone.
I'm not sure your premise is correct. Women seem highly desperate for sex from men, commitment and marriage from men, and financial support from men. So I'm not sure your question even makes sense. Ofc some women dont want or need any of those things but the average woman needs or at least highly desires at least one of those things.
We are sexual being. 99% of us need and desire sex. I'm talking about material stuff to live.
Yeah im not sure women are that great at taking care of themselves financially. Most women need help.
That's not true unless in your world and small town of 300 poor people or someone poverty stricken hell hole of a country.
In modernized countries women don't need a man for ish. Like I said most have their own jobs, money, food, education, car, condo etc.
Maybe you dont live in the united states? We have tons of women who work at waitresses nurses cashiers things like that who can technically pay their bills but they drive a junker and have room mates and no savings. Many can't really afford to move out and live with family for many years if they dont get a boyfriend.
In such cases they are just mismanaging their money. Every adult in the U. S. is perfectly able to survive on their own if they work full time or have a decent online business.
Well whatever it is most women aren't financially surviving in america. Thus they still need men for financial reasons.
You're holding on to a premise that isn't true or you desire for it to be true. Most women aren't surviving without a man? In such cases they would have been dead dying of hunger or living in the streets by droves which isn't the case.
I dont think women ever were dead in the street because they didn't have a man. Poor women have always worked in the fields or prostituted themselves. So i dont think today is much different than every before really in terms of the value proposition traditional relationship aspects provide.
Nah. There are tons of women who want a relationship with a guy around my age and canāt find a decent man willing to commit. No need to worry about the women who donāt want relationships.
Why would I care what other people believe? If you need another person in order to be happy, you're living your life wrong.
They still need you to give them a kid, and that kid is your kid, too.
Of course. I said the other day sexual pleasure is the primary reason to be in a relationship. š¤·āāļø
I donāt think itās enough for it to last. You can have all the casual sex you want and not be in a relationship.
The natuonal women association faxed you that in a memo 😂
men also never needed women to be happy. Hence why today's society is lost in just using and being used.
Fax the national women association this memo back - If you don't settle your feminist ass down and keep your body count low - there is no hope in marriage and you'll be forever community f*** service. Lol
m no... but I actually am a man, not a chimp... nor a chump
a 2008 study by princeton university is titled "the paradoxical decline in female happiness" where it shows that women are more liberated today then ever... but also less happy than ever before
yea. they do need us to be happy
And you concluded from that study they need to be married or in a relationship in order to be happy?
yea i think so. they were told they could defy their nature and be happy... but they can't
No. The truth is both men and women can be single and successful. If you can stay single and thrive it is just as good as if you stay married and thrive
No; I don't give a shit about that.
Because I don't WANT to be needed.
I want to be WANTED.
Not even a little bit. Does it hurt your ego that given your obvious hostility to fifty percent of the world's population, you are going to die alone and unloved?
No. The only thing that bothers me is the thought of being lonely at an old age. If I knew I'd be surrounded by friends when I get old, I could forget love and marriage.
No, a relationship or being needed isn't where I get my self worth
Nope does it hurt theirs that guys are doing the same?
women have worked since I have been alive. They have more options than men do. A man has to work
Not at all, I want a partner, not a pet.
Partner is a term for homosexuals. š
If you say so
isn't that what they wanted?
All we need yo do now is create artificial reproduction technology and go out separate ways
At least in Russia thereās schools that train women how to be housewives
Training them to be miserable stuck in a house or apartment looking at 4 walls 24/7 with cooking and cleaning... typical of the Savoit legacy.
These are voluntary schools by the way
My point is, there are actually women who still value tradition.
Itās just not as common here
Oh.. my bad.
Tradition that doesn't serve you in which most traditions don't benefit women at all is the height of stupidity if you are a woman. You are agreeing to your own unhappiness and oppression..
Women are actually happy being housewives. Itās the way life was meant to be.
Just ask a majority of Russian women if they feel content in life
I guarantee they are feeling more content than the āstrong, independent womenā of America
The strong independent women is code for a mean disrespectful b****... I'm not talking about those women. They suck.
Life isn't meant to be stuck in a house cooking and cleaning 24/7... That's some Taliban ish for women to keep them controlled and oppressed while they get served.
Think of like this. Would you like to be home all day and all you have to look forward to in life is being home, cooking and cleaning and raising kids all day while totally being dependent on someone else even as adult? You know your answer is no.
Yeah because Iām a biological man. We donāt enjoy that
Neither do they lol. We humans don't desire to be stuck in a freaking house cooking and cleaning all day everyday.
That's a freaking prison. That's not living life to the fullest in enjoyment unless they are a crazy hermit with nothing to live for but to be stuck in a freaking house all day to rot and wait to die.
Thatās not true at all. Some women really like to please their husbands
I'm not talking about denying to please their husband, I'm talking about being stuck in a home 24/7 rotting away which is what a full time housewife does. That's not pleasing anymore. She's just an idiot.
I agree with @Hispanic-Cool-Guy. And the reason is I grew up in a culture with a lot of traditional households, and all of the housewives I've known have complained about that. They get antsy, and that's why they're bitter and bitchy all the time.
Also, they're totally financially dependent on their husband, so whenever they suffer by not getting something they want (in the market, economically), they blame him. It's his fault. All of their wrath is blasted out on him.
@Jamie05rhs: Its human nature. If you have potential, dreams and are young, the last thing you desire is to be stuck at home all day cooking and cleaning. What kind of life is that?
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy But it doesnāt take all day to cook and clean.
You don't marry a wife for her to be your personal maid.
Thatās not what Iām talking about. Who the hell else is suppossed to look after kids? A daycare? š
Yes. Children belong with other children in a daycare for a few hours.
Thatās not parenting though. Just dropping off your kid and having it be somebody elseās problem
A few hours a day is nothing or you can hire a nanny. Children that grow up too close too mommy become ruined typically.
Growing up kinda rough and independent is what leads to strength and character, baby-sitting little kids for a long period of time does horrible damage as adults.
Believe it or not, I once saw a 14 year old kid still needing his nanny to wake him up for school. š
everyone has the right to be happy, if they are "happy" God bless them.
My god, us men are useless now. Or we could become more interesting datesā¦. nah
Nope. It's what they wanted.
My ego? Hurts my feelings! I'd like to be in a relationship. Any old fashion girls still out there?
Not at all. Does it hurt yours?
Not one bit.
Considering we have MGTOW a lot of men are doing the same.
Why would it hurt my ego? Good for them.
Why would that hurt anyone's ego?
These type of men don't feel adequate or their self esteem is affected if a woman doesn't need them.
This entire notion of men seeking relationships is entirely false to begin w/. Men seek sex, if you are forced to enter a relationship to get sex then some men will do that. Women will always need men in order to validate their status modern or not. Studies show that today more than ever more "modern women" are unhappy than ever b4 based on several metrics.
So true but no don't bother me
dont say that dude
The question is sensitive to you personally?
Why don't you like the question?
In a relationship and marriage, they don't, neither do we. It's reality.
Bruh, don't you see women out here with their careers, job, own money, cars, agreemen, in collage etc
*apartment
Nooe
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