
Guys does it hurt your ego that modern women realistically don't need to be in a relationship or marriage with men to survive or be happy?


Men that get their ego hurt by that need to do some serious self inventory and self improvement. Because you should be completely self sufficient and able to provide a good quality of life for yourself. Relationships should always be about improving you quality of life. They should never be about being needed. Because when you base it off improving the quality of life, you are a hell of a lot less likely to keep someone around if they are making your quality of life worse. When you base it off being needed you can very much end up being stuck in a bad relationship.
Also we project a lot even when we don't know we are. So if you are having issues dating, getting into a relationship or just getting laid its more then likely because you are projecting a lot of crap and women are avoiding you because they are picking up on what you are projecting. It also can lead to you getting stuck in a bad relationship. Simply due to what you are projecting making it hard for you to pick up on all the negative crap she is.
The keyword is sex. Have or don't have.
What you wrote in the Detail applies to many men too.
Is sex is NOT needed, then men don't need to get married too.
In fact, many men today are self-sufficient as you described, and live a life of promiscuity, without the desire for marriage, and are happy too.
And I think the same is applicable to women.
In other words, promiscuity has created a new social "norm", where the marriage institution is slowly being demolished.
Yes, I agree with you. But I say, man is the same too.
Take away promiscuity. Illegal to have premarital sex, punishable by 20 years jail term and 100 strokes of the cane.
I'm quite sure both genders will get married again, doesn't matter their social status.
It's true for men as well, indeed. Marriage and relationship are primarily for sexual purposes. It's the reality. We can find companionship in friends. 😏
Indeed. Perhaps this is why marriage is also called "legal prostitution" (a widespread joke).
Even the Bible loosely use marriage as a means to "avoid fornication" (1 Corinthians Chapter 7).
And religious virgins save until their wedding day.
These tell a lot about why individuals choose not to marry nowadays: that promiscuity is no longer scorn upon; and pre-marital sex is in fact celebrated; hence a very powerful motivation to get married is removed.
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I don't WANT a woman who is dependent on me.
But no I don't think it is TOO much of a threat to my ego. What I would be more concerned about is how SHE values me, since women are more judgy towards men about this stuff than vice versa.
I mean, I don't NEED a woman, and it's been like that for some time. If women don't NEED men, it's just them catching up to our economic freedoms in this regard.
But yeah, if a woman is with me because she needs me, then it's hard to tell if she even wants me. If a woman earns as much as I do or even more, or is otherwise self-sufficient, then I know she simply desires me, that I'm not reduced to some paycheck and bodyguard. That sounds like a sweet deal to me.
No. It actually simplifies my life. I don't ever worry about whether she likes or doesn't like me anymore. I figure if she does she'll tell me. And if she doesn't then we don't need to be together. No problem. I actually think this is the way things should be. No more of the guy chasing the woman. Or if they want you to chase them. They can just say "hey I want you to chase me". No more of this ambiguous "what is she thinking anymore" for now on women can just say what they're feeling. So much easier!
Doesn't bother me really. There are still good women out there, just harder to find.
Also, most of those "independent" women that don't NEED a man, start looking for the "good guy" in their 40s after they have a few kids and NEED someone else's income to support their "strong" life choices.
Nouh , it does sound like some sort of relieve because when men is deciding to engage in relationship or marriage with a female odds are stocked against him and most of the risk on his hand, if he was of by an I ch with his jidjem t and it doesn't work out he is the one who's gonna be paying of her mortageg for the foreseeable future and rent some shuthole for himself.
I am guessing if she she was after a ring and you fucked with your forecast - she is probably not the self sufficient woman that you mentioned.
No. What are they supposed to do, live with their parents and remain virgins until they get married, and then become June Cleaver house wives?
I'm manly enough to gain the love and admiration of a woman who can take care of herself. lt actually makes me feel more confident knowing that such a woman wants to be with me, not because she needs someone to take care of her.
It's not ego that hurts, it's the fact that men aren't needed for most of what they're supposed to bring to a relationship.
Yes, but a lot of men don't see it that way still. They actually still think a woman needs them in their lives in terms of a relationship and marriage or she is totally screwed in life and like you said that's 100% non fact.
Those days are far long gone.
I'm not sure your premise is correct. Women seem highly desperate for sex from men, commitment and marriage from men, and financial support from men. So I'm not sure your question even makes sense. Ofc some women dont want or need any of those things but the average woman needs or at least highly desires at least one of those things.
We are sexual being. 99% of us need and desire sex. I'm talking about material stuff to live.
Yeah im not sure women are that great at taking care of themselves financially. Most women need help.
That's not true unless in your world and small town of 300 poor people or someone poverty stricken hell hole of a country.
In modernized countries women don't need a man for ish. Like I said most have their own jobs, money, food, education, car, condo etc.
Maybe you dont live in the united states? We have tons of women who work at waitresses nurses cashiers things like that who can technically pay their bills but they drive a junker and have room mates and no savings. Many can't really afford to move out and live with family for many years if they dont get a boyfriend.
In such cases they are just mismanaging their money. Every adult in the U. S. is perfectly able to survive on their own if they work full time or have a decent online business.
Well whatever it is most women aren't financially surviving in america. Thus they still need men for financial reasons.
You're holding on to a premise that isn't true or you desire for it to be true. Most women aren't surviving without a man? In such cases they would have been dead dying of hunger or living in the streets by droves which isn't the case.
I dont think women ever were dead in the street because they didn't have a man. Poor women have always worked in the fields or prostituted themselves. So i dont think today is much different than every before really in terms of the value proposition traditional relationship aspects provide.
Nah. There are tons of women who want a relationship with a guy around my age and can’t find a decent man willing to commit. No need to worry about the women who don’t want relationships.
Why would I care what other people believe? If you need another person in order to be happy, you're living your life wrong.
They still need you to give them a kid, and that kid is your kid, too.
Of course. I said the other day sexual pleasure is the primary reason to be in a relationship. 🤷♂️
I don’t think it’s enough for it to last. You can have all the casual sex you want and not be in a relationship.
The natuonal women association faxed you that in a memo 😂
men also never needed women to be happy. Hence why today's society is lost in just using and being used.
Fax the national women association this memo back - If you don't settle your feminist ass down and keep your body count low - there is no hope in marriage and you'll be forever community f*** service. Lol
no... but I actually am a man, not a chimp... nor a chump
a 2008 study by princeton university is titled "the paradoxical decline in female happiness" where it shows that women are more liberated today then ever... but also less happy than ever before
yea. they do need us to be happy
And you concluded from that study they need to be married or in a relationship in order to be happy?
yea i think so. they were told they could defy their nature and be happy... but they can't
No. The truth is both men and women can be single and successful. If you can stay single and thrive it is just as good as if you stay married and thrive
No; I don't give a shit about that.
Because I don't WANT to be needed.
I want to be WANTED.
Not even a little bit. Does it hurt your ego that given your obvious hostility to fifty percent of the world's population, you are going to die alone and unloved?
No. The only thing that bothers me is the thought of being lonely at an old age. If I knew I'd be surrounded by friends when I get old, I could forget love and marriage.
No, a relationship or being needed isn't where I get my self worth
Nope does it hurt theirs that guys are doing the same?
women have worked since I have been alive. They have more options than men do. A man has to work
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