MGTOW stands for men going their own way because the system is rigged against us. 1. More than half of marriages fail (bad financial risk). 2. Women instigate 72% of all divorces (finds a new man). 3. The judicial system is heavily against men (you will lose your finances and children most likely). 4. It is easier nowadays to have casual relationships with women 5. It is very nice to live stress free.
No, you're right. It's men going their (YOUR) OWN WAY. I understand MGTOW, but I'm not exactly MGTOW. As in, I haven't given up all hope on women. I just know it's extremely unlikely, so I don't put any stock into it. Maybe you can say I'm MGTOW Lite or whatever. I mainly just do my own thing.
I'm not going to say it's literally impossible for me to ever have someone, but doing my own math on the matter, I put the odds of me finding a compatible woman who would love me completely for me (flaws like shortness and all) at about 13.5 billion to 1. So that would mean if we had access to a good three extra Earths full of women from the Multiverse, at least ONE of those women would be a compatible partner for me, who'd love me as I am and treat me as well as I'd treat her. But considering THIS Earth maxes out at about 3 billion females (not even counting minors, married women, old women, lesbians, etc), the odds are *pretty much* impossible, although not literally so.
But yeah, do what you want in life. As long as it's what YOU want, and no one else. Dating in this day and age SUCKS! Women try to complain about it too merely because no man is literally perfect enough for their standards, but really, they're irrelevant. There'll always be Chad and that's many of them want, anyway. The modern dating age mostly hurts MEN. So if MGTOW is what's keeping you from being depressed at this f*cking dystopian nightmare future of 2022 we're all stuck living in, then more power to you! Cheers! 🍷
At least your logical and not emotional like many of the people who join groups. Rarely anything is 100% homogenized ; women included.
Dating a shorter man is something I've done... Being willing to marry a man who is shorter "and" lacking in a few other preferences, he'd have to have the same beliefs as me...
I don't understand MGTOW. I get it, a lot of women suck. I've dated plenty of women that have made me feel that way, especially hot ones. But I also have dated some really great women, that I wasn't interested in, and they probably felt the same way about me as I did those other women that hurt me.
I realize that I overlooked most of the ones that don't suck because they weren't HOT enough, or did what I want in bed, etc... Those reasons were justified to me, but their stupid reasons weren't.
1. Ok, have her sign a prenup and do what you can before you are married to cover your ass. Buy your house before you get married, and keep it in your name. Keep accounts separate if it makes you feel better. Getting married is actually one of the key factors to having financial success if you can stay married.
2. This is true. That's why you need to find a woman that really loves you. I dated a lot of women just cause I wanted to fuck them, and there were terrible people. I see a ton of men doing the same things, even marrying them. Then get surprised when the girl that was out of their league leaves them. If she wouldn't be with you if you were broke, then don't marry her. Also, refer to #1. Vet these women better, ask the important questions, and see her actions for what they are.
3. Again, stop marrying hoes that think divorce is ok. It's one of the topics I bring up while dating, and I pay attention to her attitude towards it. No big deal, you out the door.
4. For some men it is. Until you get about 40, then you become the creepy single dude that no one wants to invite anywhere. Most people are coupled up by then.
5. My life is way less stressful with my current girlfriend. She lets me play my video games, scratches my back, cooks for me, cleans and does laundry when I don't want to. If I was alone I'd have to do all of this shit on my own, or pay someone to do it. She does it just to make my life easier, and I do the same for her. It's a nice exchange really.
If MGTOW is the way you want to be that's fine, but to me, it just sounds like someone who keeps losing a game, so they decide to just give up, instead of getting better and figuring out how to win.
I think it's fine if men or women want to go their way and do their own thing, I notice though that some of these types of groups or movements seem to be motivated by their anger or bitterness towards the opposite gender. For that reason, even as a single woman going her way for many years I tried hard not to let anger and bitterness towards some of the exes consume me. I may not have been bitter for the same reasons as men of MGTOW but I felt that holding on to the bitterness was too toxic and it was holding me back and I've learned to let a lot of that go. I did not want to turn into a raging man-hating feminist lol. I view myself as more of an equalist because I try to listen to and understand the arguments that both men and women have in these gender battles. For me making peace with the fact that what motivates men and women in different aspects of life is different, trying to find the balance and appreciating those differences between men and women is the only way I think I can move forward.
I wish you well though, life these days seems like a battle, sometimes it almost seems like a losing battle but maybe things would be boring if everything worked out perfectly.
A respectable, well thought out and balanced response. I find it depressing that a lot of womenās first response is to lash out with insults and belittle those that identify with it instead of at the very least trying to understand why.
Everyoneās had bad experiences, some worse than others, but nobody really cares. So itās easy to withdrawal into like-minded groups. As long as you stay focused on positivity and bettering yourself and your friendships thatās fine. Society seems to be rapidly degrading though, and its not looking good for the future. People like you are a rarity.
Except that the mistake your making is thinking MGTOW men are angry and bitter. Some maybe but most aren't. It's funny how this get twisted by some women. These guys don't hate women they've simply moved on.
@ChiTown33 If they are not angry or bitter towards women and they've just moved on, that's great, more power to them. I'm glad that's it just a few of them that feel angry or bitter because I know personally how those emotions can hold a person back as I've been there myself but I do think that they are justified to feel the way that they do in many of these instances.
Let's play Fleetwood Mac "Go Your Own Way" . . Is that how u kids think today really? I will repeat my story, I was a stripper/prostitute in my early 20s. I had dropped out of college bc I failed a course 3x and was looking for some easy money. One regular guy I saw on the weekend turned into more than just a trick. We've been married almost 9 years and have an auto shop together. He has taught me a lot of things besides fixing cars. My point here is, no matter if u like girls, guys, both.. everyone needs a lifetime companion. My mom was divorced twice and lives sadly alone in an elderly apartment complex. I don't think u want to be like that. Even if u get old w/a nice retirement. I used to c this 1 old rich guy in Chicago. He was alone and would pay me to just hang out w/him for 4 hrs. U don't want to be like that either. Hiring hookers to keep u company? No way.. just figure out ur career choice and have some fun right now. Ur still young. But don't give up on a long term relationship.
I envy you , Yes I am jelous of you. You want to know why because you have a beautiful gift Your husband love. Something that not all woman have. I always had bad luck in love I guess love isn't meant for me. Please appreciate your husband he loves you he teach you all of these good useful things. I am going to be just like your mom I will die alone. I was married once but he didn't love me he left me for some other girl now I am 29 year old divorce.
@Alwayreckles93 U r still young! My mom grew up during the hippie movement, so independence has always been her state of mind. The whole submissive housewife thing wasn't her cup of tea, so she had 2 failed relationships. U have so much more time to find your lifelong partner. Don't listen to social media/news. That is what is discouraging this generation also. Society has pushed open relationships as the norm and making stable families look like a joke.
You are very kind thank you for saying that. Honestly I feel old guys don't want me they all want the young clueless 20 year olds. I've always wanted to be the submissive wife raising kids taking care of a husband. My ex would yell endlessly while he drove in the high way like crazy. All he care about was vidoe games beer. His 30 years old left me for someone younger. I feel old my selfsteem is low.
@Alwayreckles93 That's his loss. He'll see soon enough. That young girl he's with is probably only interested in partying and money. U will find someone else. U have so much more time.
My husband and I have been married for 21 years. Marriage isn't always easy, but I wouldn't trade my life for a single life for any amount of money.
1. I'm not sure how accurate that number is because I recall reading about how that statistic was measured and it was off, but non the less, divorces are pleanty especially if your own parents are divorced. My parent remarried and has been married over 30 years, so I feel safe there and my husband's parents have been married over 60 years.
2. Women do file the majority of divorces. But please take into account the reasons for that also include domestic violence, husband's affair, husband walked out, more men end up in prison, etc.
3. You're absolutely right. I can't argue that the courts rule in favor of the wives/mothers even when it's unjustifiable.
4. Yes, lots of women will settle for a casual relationship. That's the type you'll always end up with and I can't help but think that a lot of those women are also the ones that don't stick around.
5. There's no such thing.
Anyhow, I think you are the only person who knows what's best for you and I wish you happiness.
Well, the Bible said something about staying single and serving God, but if you are going to "burn in your desires", get married... but you are going to suffer. It's mating season now you are >13, and these are the decisions you must make over next 40 years.
To be clear... you want a woman, may consider random encounters to gratify your "needs", but won't commit to one... is that right? If so, I'd say you need to resolve your childhood trauma that is controlling your view of yourself and limiting you from developing into the man you can be in life... all disguised as a logical conclusion of fear. Thus, early childood trauma/trust issues are suspected. There's truth in many perspectives and we can all justify how we feel with logic. However, no such great adventure in life is undertaken in that way... e. g. a list of reasons not to.
You are better off looking at what you want in life, validate why you want it... and go for that.. rather than living in fear. Random encounters can leave you empty and in a bad place, as well as leave offspring dead or hopeless. In other words, not being a man for your family.
I was MRAFW (Men running away from women) for 5 decades. My wifes been very good for me, do I need to list all the ways so you see positives? I know other men the same. I also know people whove gone through hell... pain and suffering... both male and female.
There are no guarantees in life, life is not fair... get that concept out of your mind, nothing is perfect, you may get thrown some "curve balls". This is life.
I'd suggest getting a new perspective... but it's your life.
I donāt think youāre misguided. Everything you stated is factual and any guy not concerned about these things is a fool.
That said, Iām not saying youāre on the right or wrong path. Iāll say youāre on your path, and if you feel most comfortable going MGTOW, I donāt think thereās any harm or sin in it at all. It is prudent so long as youāre happy with it.
The last thing I will say is women are not men. They donāt love us as deeply as we love them. Their love towards us is much more superficial. They love children the way they should love us, but they cannot. Itās not within their ability. Generally speaking, and there are exceptions to every rule, Feminism and liberalism have further helped to make them much more self centered in relationships, and all aspects of life, to the extent they are not of much value to us. They are told they are victims when they are not. They are empowered to serve themselves and legally armed to do so to the fullest extent to our detriment. Again this is speaking generally. They are the product of a sick culture. Men are failing in their own ways as well but thatās not the subject at hand. It is possible to find a good woman and have a happy marriage, however the chances of ruin in this game far outweigh the chance of success in it. In love extreme prudence and wisdom is required as is self control. So, the bottom line is, you can marry and be happy, and not get your kids and cash and property legally stollen from you in divorce court, itās not impossible itās just very difficult in a superficial, self serving, morally bankrupt culture.
What they call Marriage today by terms is not Marriage but rather simply a legal relationship. Marriage does not simply end because its inconvenient or one party isn't enjoying it anymore or would prefer to be with someone else.
Such a union would be a wast of time. So what your really conserend with is the high rate at which modern women are dishonest in their Vows and leaving men.
This is a legitimate complaint reflecting a very real cultural and legal problem, that effectively undermines if not outright abolishes the institution.
It is not however honest to blame all women for the actions of even a majority, nor fair to assume you can't find one woman who would be interested in a genuine marriage.
The problem must be confronted and they must be made to understand that the union is not out of conveniences, nor for good feelings, it will be hard work and the propose is not our happiness but the security of our children and financial future.
Any woman who cannot honor those terms should not be trusted in any kind of relationship, not as a friend, not as a coworker, nor a wife. For commitment thou unpleasantness is the foundation of honor and trustworthiness.
Why do you hate the female version of mgtow (feminism) but think itās ok for men? Nobody is challenging that there are a lot of problems with modern gender relations and the injustice system, but that just means you have to be very careful about whom you voluntarily enter into situations which you could potentially end up in family court with. There are good women out there worth your time who are sick of the dating games too and want to have a healthy family and great relationships. Most of them are married by 24 years old though so you only have a couple years left to find a unicorn. You might try looking at women who care more about being an awesome girlfriend and wife material than they do about being a supermodel. Itās been my experience that you canāt have both.
Money and toys and cars are NEVER going to look as good as a handwritten Fatherās Day card and a little smiling face looking up at you. I think most men have been where you are looking at the evils of society, but with a woman who is good to you and good to your kids, the benefits far outweigh the costs. I talk a lot about men only rising to the standards set by women, but to a lesser degree it works the other way too. If youāve read Rollo enough to consider yourself a mgtow, you know that women are born rich and die poor, while men are born poor and die rich. It sucks being a single young man, but it sucks even harder being a single middle aged woman. The first two things you need to do are get off tinder and stop looking for supermodels. I guarantee youāve passed over a girl-next-door type who would be a great wife and mother. Now Iām just some stranger on the internet, but Iāve been where you are when I was younger, and Iām infinitely happier that I chose my wife instead of a sports car.
You are cultivating extremist thinking. That's definitely not the right way. 1. More than half of marriages fail (bad financial risk). The risk applies to both sides, then. Marriage is not mandatory. You can still live together with your SO.
2. Women instigate 72% of all divorces (finds a new man). If that is true, then that would say a lot about the (former) husbands, wouldn't it? Did you think divorce is roses & rainbows for the woman?
3. The judicial system is heavily against men (you will lose your finances and children most likely). Either parent can claim custody provided they are deemed competent for it. The one not claiming custody likely pays child support. That's completely reasonable.
Divorce is definitely not pleasant for either side. You may have some fantasies about women purposefully divorcing so they can claim "his shit". That's not how it works. There is no legislation that reads as "the ex-husband has to give so and so to the ex-wife". Both sides have claims to whatever they acquired during the marriage.
4. It is easier nowadays to have casual relationships with women 5. It is very nice to live stress free.
MGTOW is just misogynists, incels, and male supremacists. So if you truly believe women are lesser, that men are better, and all that bullshit, then I'm glad you joined the MGTOW movement, as then it stops women from having to interact with you as much, and no woman deserves to put up with you.
For everyone action there is an equal and opposite reaction. MRA was a response to Feminism, but MRA had absolutely no institutional power or legal sway, so they were absolutely destroyed and slandered. Mgtow was an inevitable result and will continue to grow exponentially as marriage rates collapse and people give up on relationships. Itās not a political movement or a social group, itās simply a mindset. You can slander and mock those that identify with it, but unless you provide an alternative youāre only validating their ideology.
Women have very high standards for men, in terms of responsibility, morality, and overall goodness.
The only men who need to consider throwing in the towel on women, are those who have already thrown in the towel of bettering themselves. If meeting a womanās standard to essentially mirror Jesus in word and deed is too hard, you can always jump between women whenever one starts to know you well enough to criticize you, but that sounds a lot more like being a boy than being a man to me.
What you termed ābettering themselvesā could be likened unto a cow bettering itself by fattening itself for the slaughter. Younger women usually want the most worthless sociopathic scumbags they can find. Such bad boys excite them. No amount of self āimprovementā will make a man of more interest. It may take a reaming in the Family Court, discovering that āyourā children were sired by your wifeās lovers, then being ordered to pay child support for those children, being reduced to destitution and gaoled because you could not pay the child support, for you to open your eyes.
Your beliefs are not based in evidence. You exist in a self-fulfilling delusion, perpetually fueled by your own misery.
There is no statistical evidence validating your belief of what young women are usually like. You are a prisoner to your own negative and unfalsifiable beliefs about women.
Plenty has been written about how women want bad boys until they are around 30, then they begin to look for beta bucks to provide them with a white picket fence. You could begin with The Rational Male, by Rollo Tomassi. What has been written aligns with female behaviour that I have observed since I was a teenager.
At least one girl exists out there who can and would marry the best version of you if you worked tirelessly at becoming him and finding her.
If youād rather extend your boyhood indefinitely and keep your geneās out of the next generations because some author articulated your gripes in writing, then I canāt stop you. Youāre missing out on some great stages of life though. Maybe youāll change your mind when youāre older.
Look man if you wanna gtow then go for it, I'm not gonna stop you. But as a man who has experience with females in most capacities, it doesn't add up that all of them are so cunning and analytical and don't really care about you when you see how many women really get hurt the exact same way by cunning analytical men who don't care about them.
It goes both ways all the time. And it sucks both ways. The good shit is when two real ones are able to pursue the relationship they both actually want instead of one half only playing, pretending to want it, and then leaving when they get what they really want. Women are human just like you, and a lot of them are struggling and questioning if relationships are even worth pursuing as well.
It's not easy, and it's a lot harder for some men and women than others, for a lot of reasons most of which aren't fair. If you think mgtow is the best choice for you given the circumstances then good luck and I hope it goes well.
I wouldn't call casual relationships "stress-free." That's very misleading. Real men find the Psalms and Proverbs Virtue Woman, and won't settle for marrying anyone lesser. But will marry her, rather than be a scallywag. And will be faithful, as she is faithful, and reap his reward over the long haul.
Weak men flee from all responsibility. Fools invest in women who are already operating with screws loose.
But you do have one thing right: the courts need reform. Kate Millet Disease and crapunism have corrupted the mentality of the court system away from Common Law, and into bees are fish levels of insanity. Under such anarcho-tyranny, Amber Heards the world over can have a field day, and courts will rob men of everything they have of value.
Marriage as God intended it isn't the issue. Human selfishness, and wayward courts that reward rather than punish selfishness, are the issue. Let's not blame the sun for darkness.
I know what mgtow is, and sorry but I'm not about to listen to a dork in a silly mgtow hat talk, to be migtow is one thing but to wear a silly hat like that there's no way I could take him serious.
Also I don't think real migtows would even have casual flings with women, they are men completely tired of women and that don't trust women, they'd also rather go without sec than risk getting stuck with child support or worse false accused by the #metoo movement.
Hate to break it to you but if you still want to do anything, nomatter how casual with a woman you aren't a mgtow.
I believe finding the answers to these questions will help you find your answers
1. What caused marriages to fail? 2. Were you raised right as a man? What would you think was the "bullshit" you did in your teens? 3. How have your interactions been with women who are not your dating interest? 4. Why do you want to be in a relationship? 5. If the US laws regarding marriage and stuff is really harmful, what's stopping from you going to another country and marry in a country which is "better" in marital laws? 6. If you go towards your way, and find someone who is compatible with you, what will you do?
The system is actually built by men 😆 Itās funny how you think the system is rigged against you when thatās what women and minorities have faced their ENTIRE lives. If youāre so focused on making the system equal, how about addressing equal pay for all genders? Racial equality in the justice system? Etc. Thereās so many problems to be focused on but the only one you seem to be asking about is the VERY SMALL portion of men who feel that the system is against them? Which benefit only you.
This is a selfish post if you ask me. As a white male, Iām telling you to get a life further than benefiting yourself.
Well it doesn't really solve the problem does it. But it beats the hostility in the feminism camp. Since no one seems to want to fix the situation it will just continue to derail. You can watch it on the side but you can't prevent or fix it from there. So eventually someone will create a law that makes it bad for people just going their own way. Because corruption doesn't just disappear it keeps growing so if you got a corrupt lawbook expect it to expand to include you. If you aren't fighting it. They will keep stealing more and more of your money to fund more and more stuff you have no use or want for. Since you aren't engaged in the system.
If you are MGTOW aka MEOW (men exit own way but also noise a pussy makes), then why not just go, why do you lot keep telling everyone you are going, but never just fuck off.
itās simple, you donāt like society, then fair enough, just stop bleating about it.
it does seem to be an American thing where grown arse men cry about how bad life is, yeah it sucks, live with it and stop the constant bleating.
Ha, who are we kidding? You don't need confirmation on whether MGTOW is the right path. You're going to do whatever the hell you want...like everyone else on the planet. Why do you care what I think and feel on this topic? Correction: you've gone your own way, so my thoughts on it are clearly irrelevant, but you know, do you! You hate women, you can't stand us, or shrugs for whatever the hell reasons you've come up with based on statistical data that "explain all women," cool man. It's all good. Don't look at us, don't call us, don't date us, don't sleep with us, don't marry us, don't have kids with us, keep all your money in an offshore account where no woman can ever reach it and go off and be friggin' happy being you by yourself. It's your life!!!
I'm MGTOW, but not because of these. I'm MGTOW because,
1. I have my own personal goals to achieve before dating 2. Dating arena is highly skewed. Equality is so rare. 3. Finding a worthy woman is so hard and they are really rare. 4. No offence but many women are shallow and aren't smart. 5. Tagging along someone else is mostly making it hard to achieve goals and do things that go with my taste.
I'm looking for someone who is not any of those mentioned above. So I haven't thrown the idea of dating completely off the table.
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