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The reason why I am a MGTOW man is because of these 5 facts and one YouTube video. Have I been misguided or am I in the right path and mindset? (Page 2)
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I guess I'm an MGTOW too. I lost all trust in women long ago. I don't have kids and since I'm nearly 40 and still not married, I probably never will, so IDC about that. In the highly unlikely event that I ever get to marry a woman (unlikely bc I already know she's marrying my money, not me), I'll ask her to sign an agreement that in the event of a divorce, she won't have any financial or property claims. If she refuses - no marriage.
by the way, that "MGTOW" sounds more like a military vehicle name than like something related to men. 😁 Mostly because of the German "Wiesel TOW" (below) and to me "MGTOW" sounds like its cousin.
“To love at all is to be vulnerable. Love anything and your heart will be wrung and possibly broken. If you want to make sure of keeping it intact you must give it to no one, not even an animal. Wrap it carefully round with hobbies and little luxuries; avoid all entanglements. Lock it up safe in the casket or coffin of your selfishness. But in that casket, safe, dark, motionless, airless, it will change. It will not be broken; it will become unbreakable, impenetrable, irredeemable. To love is to be vulnerable.”
-C. S. Lewis
Well, your facts aren't off, but have you paused to ask yourself WHY things ore the way they are? That picture shows a lot more antagonism than the situation warrants. Do you really think it's *women's* fault that family law cases are so lopsided?
Are you really walking away from a rigged game, or are you spewing vitriol on those who still play it?
Men who aren't intersted in dating or marriage, need only to not date or marry.
Men who make videos bitching about women, are men who want women, but can't find a match, and deal with that by stereotyping all women and just giving up.
it should be called wlmwguapatt (whiny loser men who gave up and pout all the time), not mgtow.
They usually want divorce after you turn into wifebeaters and alcoholics not because they want an upgrade.
Uh, Johnny Depp? He is the victim while his ex wife, Amber Heard was the abuser during the entire relationship.
The leading cause of divorce is male unemployment. Harvard said so.
PLEASE.. do Not judge all men, because of your Bad choices
Being chased by women may look like a blessing at first, but ironically enough, in reality
it's a curse! I keep seeing these young couples on malls, supermarkets, out in the
street.. doing really tedious stuff, like walking at tortoise pace while window-shopping for mall items, or taking her tiny dog out for a crap at night.. those guys do NOT look happy or thrilled doing those things. What's ironic though is, my biological impulse and the constant, visual conditioning of society out there keeps telling me every now and then to try and aspire to that stuff!
So do your thing my guy
take care of yourself , enjoy life
Remember YOU CAN ALWAYS BUY A WOMAN FOR ANY PRICE YOU LIKE.
forgot to add women are for pump and dump
always remember that
I have been a MGTOW monk for 21 years, but began to withdraw from women about 30 years ago.
A man can be rejected, hurt ang fucked over only so many times before he realises that interaction with females fails a cost/risk/benefit analysis.
Women have chosen to become so unpleasant and legally dangerous that even non-sexual social interaction is too dangerous.
I wouldn't judge them. Perhaps they were a loving husband at some point and his wife never appreciate the things he did for her. It always happens the shitty wife always end up with the good husband. And the good wife always ends up with a jerk. Perhaps it's a trauma. I am not going to judge a guy we never know what caused him to changed and had this mindset let be more understanding more patient.
You've been brainwashed just like all the other MGTOW knobheads.
you're in the right path brother!
but of course feminists, beta males, simps and manginas are gonna try to convince you that you're going crazy. by I suggest you refrain from listening to them. if you need any help accomplishing this let me know cause I got your back on this one
1. If you are white and your wife is white your chances for divorce become 35%.
2. Yes they start 72% of all divorces. A divorced is implied so you have to be in the previous 35% and then apply the %. Meaning after you say "I do" the odds your wife will divorce you are 35x0.72=25.2%. Doesn't look so scary now does it? Just basic math.
3. No it isn't. I'm divorces involving children 51% of the times BOTH parents agree that the children should stay with the mother. Meaning most of the times men don't even fight for them. Since men win custody around 23% of the times, it's 23% out of the 49% we actually fight. Nearly half!
4. Yes, but if you just want sex out of a relationship your marriage is doomed from the start. And before anyone says that you have friends and family, the companionship, live, care, support etc that your wife gives no one else gives. Hard to explain, but it's very different.
5. Yes and a good wife will help your life to be stress free.
It’s been a while since I took a statistics class.
35x0.72……how do you have it at point 72? Its 72% out of 100%. Shouldn’t it be a whole number? Wouldn’t 0.72 be a number lower than 1% thus invalidating the formula?
Not trying to argue, just having difficulty understanding the figures you’re using and why.
@Exterminatore it's a percentage over a percentage.
We have 35% of all marriages end in divorce.
Out of those 35%, 72% are started by women.
If we want the probability of your wife divorcing you, 35x0.72=25.2%
If we wanted the probability of you divorcing your wife would be 35x0.28=9.8%
Add the two and you have the total amount of divorces. 25.2%+9.8%=35%, as it should.
Of course the 35% is a stat that involves only white couples and the 72% isn't. We have an error there.
Copy. Saw the answer above. Thanks for explaining.
@Exterminatore I am the same person. My mistake in posting this comment anonymously
I know lol. I copied and pasted there in case you didn’t reply, hoping someone else would see the question and be able to clarify.
It was driving me nuts trying to figure out why you used 0.72 lol.
Actually I have to say you did some pretty eye opening math. When you see divorce you typically see 40-50% ending in divorce. Never saw the stats by demographic. That’s just all men. You are correct in breaking it down numerically by race which does give different percentages. Now I’m curious about other factors like age or income.
@Exterminatore I did my research and math just to show other men here that marriage is not as hopeless as they think. That just saying "women initiate 70% of divorces" sounds way more scary than it actually is.
I have no data regarding age or income. I know that age difference past 10 year increases the risk of divorce. And couples that make a similar amount are Les likely to divorce. But I don't have the numbers.
I absolutely love most women and it's clear the feelings are mostly mutual... but I will never date, marry or have children. They have priced themselves completely out of the market. You don't seem sure of your choice. Some men learn from other men's mistakes, but some need to learn from their own.
See here's the thing. MTGOW wants to be Clint Eastwood riding off by himself into the sunset.
Instead MTGOW are guys who failed at getting dates/relationships/sex whatever, and instead of focusing on other things or trying to improve themselves, they keep shouting to people about how they won't date and relationships are awful.
If you do not mind sharing, what happened in your life that pushed you towards having this kind of mindset towards women? I do not speak of your desire to be single and find your way alone.
I mean towards the general idea of women.
I’m curious to this too. I think most men want a partner but are afraid of losing what little power they have in their life.
His facts are on point except divorce is 53% of all marriages and women file 80% of them.
I myself was very MGTOW and black pulled. I can’t consider marriage an option anymore… it’s one sided and comes with no benefits. I wouldn’t even consider living with a woman for some time because women have all the power and the government WILL take her side in divorce/family courts.
That being said many men arnt popular with the ladies and even though they want a relationship they can’t get one so they become bitter and grow to hate women or else they just worry the women are such quality it won’t be worth the effort. I sit in the ladder of the two.
I'm kinda learning that now being married that it can be very one sided. I don't care for all that other crap about the government and taking sides even if things do not work out with my husband I want him to be present in our kids lives and I want him to survive and thrive. We will still be parents that won't change but together, I wonder if it can ever work.
I feel like crying just watching that video because my guy was not top game perfect or anything. He was just my guy he had issues he needed to grow from but sadly he won't act on bettering himself and I am left picking up the slack. Our kids get to see him yell and be constantly upset with himself, he is constantly losing jobs because of his porn addiction.
We are falling behind because of this, I would love to go to work but he wants me to stay home because he can not stand the kids being he is struggling constantly with porn addiction. It makes him irrational and irritable. I'm left feeling really alone and isolated. I leave the house once every 2 months or not at all for months while he goes out almost everyday. I have talked to him about this but when it's my time to get a hour or two he gets frustrated and starts stressing and tells me not to be long he does not want to be with the kids for to long.
He is out most of the day when he leaves... I feel like this marriage has become hyper focused on his needs and life I don't know what to do anymore. I am trying to be understanding but his issues seem to rule this marriage almost like another woman except its porn and watching women when he is out.
He is seeing a therapist but is not putting in the effort to try the things the therapist asked of him. He has medication but refuses to take any. He says he tries something and it does not help him but he actually just tries it once and never stays on top of it. I am afraid of how this will effect our kids and thier influence as into adulthood.
He has every excuse in the book. He tells me he thinks he is better off alone so he does not have to deal with the stress of kids and doing much. If this is what he wants I understand. I just want him to make a decision about all this so I know what I need to do for myself and our kids. :(
Hate being in Limbo.
Sorry for the long post I just need to vent, this really sucks.
The last part of your post, I understand it's hard to get a girl especially when a lot of guys have social anxiety. I just wonder what girls they are talking to that treat them like options.
I have always taken people in general seriously, I am not gonna beat around the bush. If I am into a guy and he is into me I will date him and find out if we are a good match and not waste his time or be easy.
Never been a girl who just gives it up.
That situation sucks. Under the circumstances where efforts truly been pushed for every possible fix and no effort is given anymore… that’s where I start thinking divorce is an option. But I don’t like divorce. It shouldn’t be an option as long as divorce is a business. I know I wouldn’t want my wife to give up on me if I fell but falling and failing are two different things and we rarely want consequences for our choices. You never fail until you give up and try trying to improve. Under them circumstances I believe a man has failed to keep his side of the agreement. Something big needs to happen… leave for a month or two with the kids… don’t tell him it’s temporary and let him live his best left without you. After having family if you take it away most men break. It might be the stress you need to make him give a fuck.
I don’t talk to women lol. I just quit my job of 4 years because I was working too many hours to enjoy my time with what family I have. I spent years on dating apps and was completely ignored. I think you find the qualities men possess that are rare and women really want like devotion, sacrifice, strength… their not something you see without investigating these men further. But I’m poor at marketing myself so women don’t know what I offer. I worked 6-7 days a week for so long I didn’t have time to invest in the effort of dating. Then I reacquired my brother and became part of his family. Even if I’m never a father or husband I got my niece and sister-in-law. It’s not the same of course but some men no matter what they offer will never have their own family.
❤️ I have been on dating sites before I understand to an extent, at the time I was working day and night shift and when I was not working had some time to spare.
Guys would message me but a lot seemed more interested in sex then actually finding a partner, so was not a good place for me. The other guys I talked to but we came to find we were not compatible.
It sucks women did not give you a chance. It would be cool if they created a dating site were bio and compatibility matched you and one picture of yourself fully was shared only once a person was interested in chatting with the match.
I think dating sites do not work as well either because a lot of people are not actually interested in dating. I feel like it is something you just leave up in the air until someone is interested. It just does not seem that reliable.
Thier are some women that don't mind slow effort in relationships when they themselves are busy and on the go.
Your pretty young still I'm crossing my fingers for you to bump into that someone special may it be here or anywhere!
It's nice though you want it and see it's value. A girl would be lucky to have you.
I think my husband has become codependent on me, he is more self destructive when I simply hint the idea that maybe he should be with himself for some time and come back once he knows what he wants.
He panics and tells me no that if he has to leaves he see's no point in being together.
His therapist has recommended marriage therapy and we start next week, after 13 years of trial and error I don't know what they will tell us. I don't agree much with divorce either but what do you do when your the only one keeping the foundation together. If this was the other way around he told me he'd leave me in an instant, I don't know if he is just being cold and cruel to himself or if he is serious...😔
I refuse marriage. I don’t believe people are capable of the sacrifice of marriage. Honestly the only 2 reasons I consider a relationship over what I have is sex and children. The women themselves are just other people and I don’t value people as they are today. Most are too worried about what they get and arnt worth my sacrifice. But if I start worrying about what I get then I’m a hypocrite.
Too many good men are out there alone and feeling hopeless because their lost. Women are supposed to guide men and support them and now they don’t. Womens quality is falling and mens is flat lining. Why should I work overtime to save for family if I can get by on a McDonald’s salary and there’s no future i see a family in my life?
I don't know why I’m wasting my time complaining here this is a woman’s thing venting their bullshit. Nobody’s going to change society for men. You understanding means nearly nothing.
As for your husband he needs a shock. Dumb motherfucker don’t understand what he’s giving up being such a weak man. If you don’t shock him I don't know what future your marriage has hopefully a therapist can help but if you shock him he might just give up completely. People have to struggle and suffer to succeed. The harder time we have with life the worse life is but the stronger we are.
Lookup the universe 25 experiment also known as rat utopia. Rates virgin paradise, unlimited food and water, unlimited space, no predictors, no work or effort required caused such a breakdown of society they genocide themselves. Stopped mating, got aggressive, excessively cleaned themselves, even starved. They lost the will to live. Life has to struggle so make him struggle and give me a reason to appreciate you would be my idea.
Divorce shouldn’t exist except in the most extreme cases especially with kids involved.
Btw… we tend to spin the story in our favor. Gets his perspective on the marriage and understand a little that way. It’s possibly you that’s the problem.
I don't need to spin it in my favor I would gladly take the blame, because then I could help the situation.
Are you religious? I ask because this is the idea in being catholic, only divorce in extreme measures. I am but I am not married by church my husband is agnostic.
My parents never divorced and my father cheated a lot and abused my mom at times blamed her for not being pretty enough and treated her badly.
My husband at a time treated me this way when we first married and recently told me that he does not find me attractive but he does sometimes. He says that if I looked more like what he liked and lost weight maybe that would fix things.
When I try my best to lose weight he gets upset that I do not eat at times but I am just following the habits of weight loss routine. He gets angry if I do not eat when I am still hungry and tells me I shouldn't have to be hungry. I get why he thinks this but it at the same time I am still eating enough and just going with my health plan.
My husband had a Abusive Acholic Dad and no mom. He loved his dad even though he beat him and has expressed to me that losing us would turn him into his dad.
Other times he thinks that maybe he wants other women and that's why he is like this.
What do men consider extreme and what would you be willing to put up with if you were married?
It's sad to hear that you feel that way though. The world is pretty big out there. People online are not the majority. If that is what you are looking for I am sure someone out there would not mind the perspective, like I said it's a big world.
Also conversation is just that not really just for women. I have talk to a lot of women they tend to not talk in these subjects as much as before some do most don't.
Your a person in this world and I am too. It's just two people talking. And your wrong me understanding you helps me understand men. One of the biggest reasons why I try to understand different perspectives.
Thanks for that. I voice my opinions and personal experience both to learn from myself by bouncing ideas off others that argue back but also to teach mens thought process to women hoping it can make a difference to help us all. The problem is I can’t decide if I’m too intelligent for people to understand or too stupid to understand I’m making no sense. It don’t help I’m not very social and can’t articulate feelings and thoughts well. Like I’ve called my brother up and answered a question he asked me days after he asked it because I suddenly remember I didn’t answer his question LMAO!
But in truth… I don’t feel I’ve made much leeway and considering the effort required it’s ineffective. I’ve definitely grown callous to the thoughts and feelings of others that are rude because of it. When you stop caring about something like how others view you you take away it’s power over you and free yourself. But when you stop caring you lose something… important. I don't know what that something is I can’t put it into words… ima stronger person now that Idc about people but if society was like me we’d go extinct.
Didn’t see your first comment. Let’s see… we sometimes can’t see our bias and this leads us to unknowingly spin a situation in our favor. Or maybe that’s just me though I don’t like lying I catch myself doing it from time to time and have to really think about it and correct myself.
I don’t believe in god. But I believe in and value his words. I believe religions a way to teach people morality. When you die there is no heaven and hell. Heaven and hell exist in the form of the life you choose for yourself… Ide be in literal heaven with a good job, my own wife and kids, and a comfortable life whereas Ide be in hell if I went back to being alone, without my extended family, and homeless.
Divorce… I don’t like it because women have all the power. They take your whole life and you have to bounce back. Sometimes you can’t as if the loss of your family’s not harsh enough. The courts have no business in divorce. But. I only think this way because of what women have become or at least my perception of women. I support divorce if it can’t be used as a weapon to destroy the family.
My old way of thinking is a man’s scum if he hits a woman… now women consider this when they abuse their men and it’s time to lay women on the ground for their actions. I’ve hit an ex once… she woke me up and I sucker punched her. My god how I felt for a week while we went out in public with her sporting a shiner… complete accident but still. Abuse is unacceptable from either side. Amber Heard is a perfect example of your average abusive relationship…
Your husband sounds like a shithead sorry to say.
As for what Ide put up with… I refuse to stay with a woman who stops showing she cares about me above all else if I don’t feel valued I’m not trying and that’s just a downward spiral. And a woman that don’t respect herself can’t get my respect and respects important from both sides. My last relationship we got too comfortable calling each other names and it definitely affected the relationship.
Hahaha I can't say I have never done that myself. 😄 I tend to be late in response even in person. lol
Maybe words just get away from you when you get really deep in thought about what your trying to say. I tend to stay in my head sometimes to long thinking of so many different perspectives and understandings of subjects pertaining to the mind. lol
I agree with your view of freedom, I tend to simply not allow myself to see others reactions towards me as malicious and understand that they themselves are projecting feelings regarding thier own experiences, which have nothing to do with me. It allows me room to care about others opinions but also have my own.
I understand honestly whatever improves your ability to self reflect and be more open to communicate your opinion is good in my book. ♥️
She needs to stay in shape. Staying in shape makes me want her and shows me her desire to please me and respect her own body. Set limits and follow them. Don’t allow men to walk on her. Submission means to follow not be walked on. I like being asked for help and thanked when I do thing for her. If not then what am I here for? Sex and money? I stared down a gun for family as a teenager I’m worth more then that today as a man. I refuse anything less.
Extreme is very simple. It can’t be explained but if your strong you know extreme. Physical violence is the end immediately. Mental abuse is something I don’t recognize easy. I’m harsh with my jokes and can take a hit pretty good if I consider it a joke but for the sake of respect this shouldn’t be normal. Cheating is the end. I’m fucking 3 for 3 on cheaters and I’m done with cheating hoes. I probably wouldn’t leave a cheater but I would respect them and Ide use the hell out of them until the relationship broke cause ima spiteful asshole lmao. When I care I go all the way but I only care if your worth my time. I hate as deep as I love and people naturally come grouped as “Ide rather avoid” these days. Big turn around from the guy that would help anyone he could. I’ve become a terrible person lol. I’m okay with that because I got my family to give me purpose.
I completely agree with your point of view. Especially about the abuse, cheating and not treating each other like civil people even during a divorce.
I try my best to be understanding to the issues that may arise but I don't like playing games nor being disrespected.
My husband has a lot of growing to do as I did when I was younger too. I understand why you would call him that though. lol
I think you are very intelligent and understand yourself well.
It was great to have a conversation with you stranger and really hope you get your heaven even if that is hard to find. ❤️❤️❤️
I wish you the best of luck. 😌
It’s not surprising women want basically the same as men. The qualities we look for are to compliment us and who we are and want to be. This explains a difference in priorities between the sexes in choosing partners.
Growing happens most when, like I said, we suffer. Hard times makes strong men, strong men make easy times, easy times make weak men, weak men make hard times… and so the cycle begins anew. Balancing within that sweet spot of life’s difficult but manageable and happy is the real struggle of life. If we take on too much our life can crash or if we don’t take on enough we grow arrogant and fail to properly value what we have. I feel if your relationships to grow your husband needs to see your value more and this… isn’t likely. It’s hard to change perspective after the fact. It takes time. Time lost. If he was already trying then it would be different but he’s not putting forth the effort in your eyes and it’s not possible to save a relationship like that.
Thanks. I enjoyed our conversation as well. Hope to see ya around.
I’m just here for the women who shame men for wanting to live a stress free life deep down women realize they need us more than we need them so they do these mental gymnastics to make themselves feel good about treating men like sht and any woman who disagrees when was the last time you apologized to a man?
One must actually be sorry for shameful conduct before they are even capable of apologizing.
American women could accidentally push a button that launches warheads, nuking 2 countries, killing millions and starting WW3….. and somehow, somehow still be the victim in all this.
@Exterminatore exactly a woman could beat you till your swole in the face and when the cops arrive you still get arrested whether you touched her or not
Vreampiekarl420 Can I give you a good advice?
I speak from experience I dated so many woman in my younger days.
1. Don't get marry now wait.
2. Wife should always be much younger than you. Because woman same age will do everything to control you.
3. A much younger wife their more likely to listen to you and to model them the way you want them to think.
@Exterminatore I am from Australia
American woman are quite interesting to say the least lol
I've date so much in my younger years. I learn from experience woman our age are control freaks and will do everything in their power to damage us. Run their shitty mouths nonstop. Woman our age have a mindset of their own. We will never win a woman. Everyone support their side of the story.
My wife and I have a 15 year age gap.
I always said wife must be way much younger then the Man of the house.
Younger woman are much more possible to control. My wife I know what place she's at 24/7 if pick what close I want her to wear. How I want her hair style and I am able to changed her mindset.
Guys that end up marrying much older woman huge mistake.
I control my wife how ever I want to.
I don't live in the U. S.
You do you man. I have no problem with guys that choose MGTOW if they're doing it because it's just easier than putting up with the shenanigans of today's toxic female. But don't do it out of anger. This is the one thing we have over women we're the rational, grounded gender. Never let a woman drive you there.
Most people don't have a clue about what MGTOW even is. They conflate it with other movement's like MRA and Inceldom, both of which are not the same at all, simply down to root reasons and actions of those following the philosophies. MGTOW is closer to MRA because its ENTIRELY voluntary, but MRA have an openness of "if things change legally, maybe we'll play along". MGTOW simply do not want to play, seems perfectly victimless to me. Let them walk away, no one knows their circumstances.
Sure, go your own way. It sounds like you are doing us a favour.
Exactly!
Evolution in action.
Can you please explain how he’s doing you the favor?
@CasaNorba Not wasting her time.
@sp33d I guess I was asking the wrong person. I should of asked @abc3643 about his theory on evolution. cause if he thinks that if more men give up on dating means he will have access to more women then he obviously does not know how the gene pool works and like any other fool he's in for a rude awakening
You shouldn't call yourself mgtow. Because mgtow means men going their own way. This contradicts that. Instead you should just call yourself red pilled. And you're right about a lot of things you mentioned. Of course women and blue pilled men aren't going to like it but you do raise good points
Those facts are honestly pretty useless as the basis of how to live your life. Better to start by answering the question: "What do YOU want?" Like if you could have ANYTHING, what would it be? What are the most important things to you to pursue in life and why?