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While most people are making it an either/or thing between two extremes, I think that’s wrong.
The guy who married his childhood sweetheart has only had experience with one woman. Meeting somebody you’re almost perfectly compatible with as a teen, staying together, getting married and having a family is very rare, and has more to do with luck than anything else. That guy has no experience with different women, he’s never been a single guy meeting women in the adult dating scene. Therefore his advice is unlikely to be helpful.
As for the guy who bangs loads of women but has never had a long-term relationship, he can probably give you good advice when it comes to getting laid, but there’s also something a little “off” with that guy. Either women don’t want to keep him around, which is a sign of something very wrong because let’s be honest, once you have sex with a girl it’s usually her who wants to make it serious. He’s scaring them away somehow. Or, he never wanted a relationship, he’s a sex addict who still thinks like a teenager, endlessly chasing the next lay. These guys aren’t respectable, and they don’t tend to have achieved much - banging a lot of women isn’t an achievement worthy of bragging about in today’s world, where casual sex has been completely normalised.
A guy who has done both will give the best advice of all.
Another thing I want to mention is that in response to something like this people tend to play into the Madonna/whore thing, where they claim that there are “good girls” and “sluts”. They’ll claim that the PUA type of guy can only attract sluts, that good women only like good guys. This is nonsense too.
@victormachiavelli This is simply the standard shaming response used to control men. The belief that guys that bang a lot of women are somehow rejected by them for relationships is ludicrous and hold no real world truths. It's also a reflection of the individual who shares this beliefs own exprience as the advantage of having a lot of women is that you are able to validate behaviors. All of this was a well know fact until maybe the rise if more feminine men in the younger generation who blindly cater to female feelings to the detriment of their own well being. Your comment is a great example.
I think you've misunderstood what I'm saying.
When people (well, women) say that men who bang a lot of women only do so because women reject them for relationships, and believe that those men will eventually be lonely and miserable, yeah that is false a lot of the time. It's a cope. A revenge fantasy that they have. It's not true most of the time.
I don't say anything to cater to female feelings - otherwise I wouldn't say that the above idea is a cope - instead I'd be siding with those who say that you should listen to the man who has only been with one woman. I say that there's something "off" with older guys who are still chasing casual sex because it's the truth. Pulling loads of women, chatting them up, playing the game etc. is exciting when you're young, but eventually once you've done enough of that, it gets old and boring. I used to be in the PUA community, I know those types of guys. They usually have had a bad break-up because they couldn't keep a woman around either because they couldn't stop chasing other women or because they're mentally unstable. Do you think Roosh is a good role model for example?
@victormachiavelli Thabks for clarifying, sounds like I did misinterpret your original statement. However you belief that there's something "off" w/ older man chasing casual sex is flawed and validates my point in my opinion. One of the advantages of being a man is that you can have sex as long as you have a sex drive, pretending that at a certain age a man wakes up and decides he should have sex w/ the same women over and over is patently false and only has contradictory evidence. Because of my success in past career I would probably be considered one of the founders of that community (although I don't actively participate in the community) being able to pick up women is a Vitale skill that every man needs to know in order to have success in the world, which is why so many young men look to men who have had success w/ women for advise. What I find interesting I that no one can answer the second part of the question which tells me inherently most people recognize that it takes exprience to teach.
Western society as a whole is gynocentric. They’ll tell women that they should be allowed to sleep with whoever they want and sell pictures of their butthole on OnlyFans without judgement, while they try to shame and tame men. Therefore most people will be against anything which promoted promiscuity in men. I think that a man will always have a better time if he has the ability to do that and has experience with different women.
Plenty of men want a family eventually. They want children, they want to leave a legacy, they don’t want to be genetic dead ends. My point is that while the high lay count guy can teach how to pull, his relationship advice is probably bad.
When you’re young and just having fun, and maybe you have a girlfriend, let’s say she starts being disrespectful or not acting right. What’s the PUA response? “Next her”. That’s all. Their mindset is entirely sex-focused. That doesn’t help the guy who wants a family, who wants to lead the family and keep it strong. That’s what I’m really trying to get at there.
@victormachiavelli TY for sharing that and my apologies for missing judging u. You make some very strong points. I disagree w/ the part about disrespect. If a women disrespect you once she should be replaced because if not she will continue to do it. You get treated how you teach people to treat people to treat you. The problem w/ your strategy is that is comes from a position of fear which is how a lot of average guys operate. What they are really worried about is the fact that that if they loss this one girl it's going to take them so long to find another. This is a terrible mindset and women also know this, abd are more than wiling to use it against you. The most valuable thing a woman can provide is her body and once she does that it's easy to understand her soul. It is hilarious how so many men will provide advice yet they have never had any success w/ getting a women to sacrifice for them. Once I do then you can start to understand and see the various
Your logic is so flawed. A mature man that married as a virgin, to another virgin, would give way better advice than a fuckboy. Having sex with many partners has nothing to do with understanding females. This goes to show how little you understand.
Some of the best sport coaches in history never played the sport professionally. Plenty of military leaders have never been to war but still plan, lead and teach about war fighting.
@jahaims Technically your logic would be flawed as you would for starters there is and never has been a successful platform in the world were a male virgin has provided relationship advice to other men. (Think about thar for a second)
Actually I work in basketball and pretty much every coach played the game at a professional level.
Phil Jackson -
Pat Riley
So your logic is simply incorrect. Instead of presenting an emotionally charged response you should probably use critical thinking first.
Who’s more experienced and trustworthy to take advice from when it comes to women, relationships or sex:
Man A: Happily married to his high school sweetheart, who he lost his virginity to so he’s only had sex with her but they’ve done it 5000 times. Body count 1, have had sex 5000 times, been happily married to a woman for years.
Man B: Single, never married, never been in a relationship, never had a woman want a second date with him but he had drunk one night stands with 50 people. Body count 50, have had sex 50 times, never made it past the first date with a woman.
For me it’s man A. Quality over quantity. But if you wanna have a one night stand then sure. Go to the man-slut for advice.
@anonymous Man A doesn't have enough exprience to give advice and would probably get laughed at by other men if he attempted to. Man B only has 50 bodies but at least has exprience getting women.
@Shamalien Lol, yea keep telling yourself that. If that was remotely true then why has every single rich succesful man throught the history of the world had multiple women? Why is there a billion dollar industry built around teaching men how to bang women? But what can you really say, you've only been w/ 4 women in 39 years, you would be considered a joke.
A man with high body count giving relationship advice is like the mechanic who flunked out of auto college, has a 1 star Google rating, and has never finished a job right giving someone mechanic advice.
@LazerBean Don't see the word relationship anywhere in the question. If man is having sex then he's finished the job w/ a woman. Woman chase relationships not men.
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Because a low body count doesn't mean less experience. In fact, in most cases, its the opposite. A guy with a body count of 4, but he's been with the same women for 12 years, is going to have more experience and would have "gotten laid" more times then a playboy who has pump and dumped 200 women in the same amount of time.
@nonyabeez-wax That is literally what that means. That guy is only going to have the experience of one woman meaning he does not understand women as a whole. If you and that guy go out, the man that has been w/ 200 + women is going to have a much easier time picking up a woman then the guy w/ less exprience.
Nah, he's gonna have more experience picking up 304s, not meaningful relationships.
The other guys will know how to build a meaningful relationship, and how to please a woman.
Pump and dump guy doesn't get to know women, so how would he ever understand them?
@nonyabeez-wax As I asked in the original question name any industry where people take advice from inexperienced peopleThe fact that you have to use subjective terminology only validates my point. That loser guy may know what one woman wants but that pales in comparison to knowing what women want.
Marriage, dating, longterm relationships. Advice or council, therapy, or planning, ranging from sex, to miscommunications, and trust, all comes from people EXPERIENCED in having real relationships with 1 person over long periods of time.
You call one guy a loser for being with someone for 12 years? That sounds like cap.
And what the guy sleeping around isn't a loser because he sleeps around?
My guy, asking a fuckboy about women, is like asking a mechanic who's failed to fix a car 200 times, to try to fix the same car again.
What's the definition of insanity?
@nonyabeez-wax I see your confusion. Marriage, dating and long term relationships aren't industries. All the most profitable make sex advice councilors are men who advocate and teach men how to sleep w/ multiple women so that's not even a true statement. If that's the case then why do married men frequent strip clubs more than single men? He's not a loser because to be able to sleep w/ multiple women a man must be doing something right. Wilt Chamberlain, Hugh Hefner, Derek Jeter are all known for sleeping w/ 100's of women, you think it's a coincidence that they are or were widely successful? Insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting a different result, I expect the same result, to bang the chick and be out. This sounds cite via social media correspondence but in no walk of like do a group a men get together and brag about being w/ one woman for 12 years. Stop it.
"Marriage, dating, and long term relationships aren't industries."
The entire marriage planning industry would beg to differ. So would the Marriage Councilors who make their living fixing relationships. As well as match making services (not to he confused with "dating apps" which are primarily used for hookups.). Who help people who are looking for a long term relationship.
"All the most profitable make sex advise counselors are men who advocate and teach men how to sleep w/ multiple women" - So losers, who trick lonely and desperate men to give up money for advice that won't help them keep or maintain a long term relationship of which would cure a lot of these lonely men's issues. But I can see your confusion, scams aren't industries.
And yes, I called them losers, because they scam people.
"Why do married men frequent strip clubs more than single men?" - got a stat to back up that claim? Or just some opinion piece out of a Feminism today article?
Men seeking whores to sleep around with while scamming lonely men are successful? That seems a bit off, almost like they aren't successful.
All of the men you mentioned are successful for doing other things, not for actually sleeping with women. Huge Heffner was famous for starting a porn magazine. Which feeds into lonely and desperate men's desires. Derek Jeter is a baseball player, who's also a base ball executive. Wilt Chamberlain is a basketball player. NONE of these have anything to do with actually sleeping with women. Starting a magazine is more about starting a business marketing. Baseball is a sport, so is basketball. NONE of these men got famous for actually sleeping with a lot of women. They happened to be famous while having sex with women. The having sex with women, I garentee, came AFTER they became successful. Yes, even Hugh Hefner. Paying a prostitute to take nudes for your magazine doesn't mean you're good a picking up women. In fact, being a male prostitute, or a male pornstar, doesn't make you successful at picking up women either, since they literally pay you to either pick them up, or do the deed with a woman.
The problem is you seem to have a warped sense of what successful it is.
You stop it. I would say that someone able to maintain a marriage for longer than 10 years is successful in their relationship. These men don't need to brag because they have nothing to prove. The fact that other men need to brag about a high body count only makes them seem more like losers to be honest.
@nonyabeez-wax Seeing how as I live in the marriage capital of the world I can tell you it is not. Weddings are an industry the same way divorce is an industry. Marriage doesn't employ anyone. It is an antiquated institution that only benifits women and LV men incapable of attracting women. There are no publically traded match making services while there are multiple publically traded dating apps which tells you right there that the average man is searching for volume in women. You can namecall to make you feel better but the fact that these men have customers validates that there is a market. Providing your customer w/ what they want isn't a scam it's literally the definition of business. Actually I do, the three most highest grossing strip clubs in LV generate over 65% of there revenue from men who identify as married. This is filed with the secretary of stat every year. Derek Jeter, Wilt Chamberlain are both consider two of the most successful players ever in their sport so trying to convince people that they are not simply because they can do something you can't, only makes you sound incompetent.
@nonyabeez-wax A by product of their success is that they sleep with a lot of women, that's how the world works. If what you were saying was remotely true, why did none of these successful men search for 1 woman? Why did Wilt Chamberlain share that he slept w/ over 20,000 women? Even it came after Their success that only validates my point. Trying to make the claim that Heffner paid women to have sex w/ him is a deflection from the fact that his success is predicated on the fact that males value and respect other men capable of having sex w/ multiple women. Making millions of dollars is success if you don't understand that then perhaps this conversation is above you. For a woman yes, as she is valued by her ability to retain HV men. Men are valued by the number of hot women they can get w/ don't believe me. I gave you 3 men all well known for having multiple women. Name one famous man well know for being in a long term marriage? Don't worry I'll wait.
Yeah I'm not reading all that. Just grow up. Clearly this conversation is a waste of time. Because no matter how many times you spout nonsense, it doesn't change the fact that I'm right.
Have a nice life, try not to catch an STD acting like a loser.
If I’m driving a Ferrari what do I care you’ve driven every model of ford and gm. Experience is not about body count you get way more experience from being in a relationship
@LazerBean lol so you literally think a 29 year old with a body count of 4 is a whore eh
@LazerBean the part about you being the most judgmental girl on the site is 100% true though glad you recognize that fact.
@LazerBean call me a whore to my face
@LazerBean say it “shamalien, you as a 29 year old having had sex with 4 different women are a whore”
@LazerBean You and I agree on a lot of things, but I take issue with u for the same reason I take issue with all religious people. Too dogmatic, incapable of nuanced thinking
Shamalien, you as a 29 year old having had sex with 4 different women are a whore.
There, does that make you feel better? And I don't really think accepting statistics is dogmatic at all, but then again if the statistics told me that I had a very large chance of at being a failure in marriage then I probably would feel the same as you.
@LazerBean It does make me feel better; thanks! I just hope I’m not the only one who gets to witness the truth about how truly separated from reality you are
@Shamalien How would you know if you've only been able to attract one girl?
@Shamalien Your 39 and have only slept w/ 4 women? Why would any man listen to you about women?
@LazerBean @Vegasrunner look at you two. I’m right in the middle of what most people would consider normal, and you’re both shitting on me for not being on one of your extremes. Fuck you both. I’m not a “screw up” and I do know how to attract women, as if I need to prove myself to either of you psychos
@LazerBean and Lazer, I’m very familiar with the stats on this matter.
1. Correlation is not causation (don’t make me explain this just put down your bias and think logically for a minute about how many factors influence a marriage)
2. Self reported numbers = garbage
3. Stats are from relatively small sample sizes and display artifacts which indicate misleading data
I won’t bother though. You’re high on your own fumes woman. There’s no arguing with someone as confident and self assured as you. It’s that religious style blinders on thinking that drives me nuts. Absolute faith. A powerful and very useful force which needs to be acknowledged for the double edged sword that it is.
@Shamalien Lol? The average man only has sex w/ 7 women in their life so technically you're below average but what type of man wants to be average? However the question wasn't if you know how to attract women, it was why would any man listen to you when discussing women? You don't have enough experience. If you had enough experience you would understand women like @LazerBean She's preaching to you from a privileged self centered position of a woman that's never been successful locking down a HV man. That's literally why she has to use subjective terms to describe matters that make her feel bad.
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