Why do men always bring up men’s problems when a woman is talking about her problems?

[chocolatetwopointo]

[SteveSmith1985]

That is a recent phenomenon. That did not happen when I was your age. Young guys have gone crazy because some older guys have taught them stupid, stupid things.

It's not a valid thing for them to do. They shouldn't. It makes me really mad to see a 16 year old saying that this is (I'm assuming) quite common with guys your age. Do guys your age like that piece of shit andrew tate? (I would be so happy if you had no idea who that was. I can't believe I have to know who that scumbag is).

Short answer. Things have gone way way way downhill as far as guys not being idiots. This was not a thing that existed. At all. Anywhere (except I'm sure some divorced dad groups or something),.

Please tell me it isn't all guys. There's still some decent young guys out there right? Who think these "men's problems" guys are idiots... right?

It's bullshit. Don't get into dumb arguments about men's rights. That was not a term when I was in college even. Ugh. I hope you just walk away from those idiots. There's no reason for them to do this. They've been brainwashed by horrible people.

[chocolatetwopointo]

never said it was ab me. im talking about grown men. not 16 yr olds.

[SteveSmith1985]

@chocolatetwopointo

That actually doesn't make a difference. Everything I wrote here is still equally appropriate and applicable. While I did indeed think you were referring to yourself. The fact that you weren't again, does not matter.

You may not have full context for my answer. Around ten years ago, when you were a little kid; people (adults) started asking themselves what the hell was going on with young guys. Misogyny that has been around most of your life, was night-and-day opposite from the way people my age experienced high school and young adulthood. It is a drastic change. There's tons that's been written on it.

So when I was 30 I could say that anyone younger than about 23 had some fucked up ideas. Fast forward 10 years. Those who were 23 year old; are now 33 (and there are for sure older people than that who have bought into this. But its not a generational thing. It's a few outcasts)

I was never confused about exactly who was saying this sort of Men's Rights bullshit. I know it well. I see grown ass men saying this too. My having assumed you were writing about your peers, did not imply that grown-ass-men were not as guilty of this.

Many grown-ass men and women are wondering if the stories of this generational shift is polluting the next generation as well (your generation).

There are all sorts of media scare-stories about, for example Andrew Tate having a massive impact on elementary and high school students in England. Teachers speaking out, school resources to create programs to address the noticeable impact his misogynistic views are having on the way male students are interacting with their female counterparts.

What I DON'T know, is what things are like for a high school student these days. I was hoping you could give me some first-hand insight.

Thank you for you input anyway.

🙂

[Shiprex]

Because women's problems get broadcast to everywhere, everyone and aren't given any critical thought for proclaimed victimhood.

Things such as CRIME. Women's voices get 200% attention about being the victims of sexual crime because that's the only element of crime where they exceed men. Murder MEN, violence MEN, robbery MEN, so when all everyone gets to hear is the poor victims of crime being the oppressed women of society then the silence around the huge majority of crime producing MEN as victims.

Then look at society and how poorly women have it. Yeah homelessness, lack of domestic violence support for men who are now (decades after it was brought up by the first women's shelter founder but had her shelter overrun by feminists to deny MEN access) known to experience it as much as women. Then there's justice system and how shitty the system treats men compared to women. We can then talk about the sacrifices made by men in their lives lost to provision society with the essential, defence, security and rescue services but then the response that "women do that too" or "women can't get there because toxic working environment". Consider why women can't just "fit in" like those who DO actually manage it.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok do smth ab it then. feminism did all that. now its ur turn to do smth without women for once.
how does the justice system treat women better when male rapists rarely get sentanced or even for long?

[chocolatetwopointo]

stop trying to be a victim.

[Shiprex]

Men don't get the platform women do though. There's no progressive men's platform that the whole of video and news media is interested because the last 40 years have been about promotion of women EVERYWHERE

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok do smth ab it. make a fucking platform. there's a reason women have that, FEMINISM. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. women won't do everything for u.

[Shiprex]

THE FEMINIST PLATFORM has held the mic and the platform for decades. NOW it's pointless to even bother, We're sick to death of women constantly complaining of just how shit they have it when they live life on easy mode. BUT STILL shit on men

[chocolatetwopointo]

yeah thats kinda the point. make ur own fucking platform. as i said, women aren't gonna do everything for u. ok tell me HOW do women have life on easy mode and how do you have it soooo hard? oh wow u can't show feelings aww my biggest fear and problem is being raped and killed. see the difference?

[Shiprex]

No one wants women to MAKE anything. We want you to realise and acknowledge the PRIVILEGE you have and that the others around you KEEPING YOU IN THAT privilege are sacrificing FOR IT. So stop complaining
You obviously didn't read any of the post I said if you're asking why men have it so hard? You're so far blowing smoke up yourself that you don't even notice the reality of the world YOU'RE on easy mode in.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SPEAK UP.
no tell me, why do men have it so hard. and how do i have it easy. im still waiting.

[Shiprex]

Who are most likely to be victims of crime?
Who is most likely to be murdered?
Who is most likely to be made homeless? (usually through divorce and guess who gets the home?)
Who gets harder hit in job accidents?
Who sacrifices more to provide society with essential services?

[chocolatetwopointo]

depends what crime.
men, but usually bc they’re in a gang.
yet i js googled and js saw women loose more in a divorce www.epwealth.com/.../who-suffers-the-most-financially-in-a-divorce
dont do those jobs then? leave it to the ones who have no other choice, nobodys forcing u.
and wdym with the last one? that depends on the services.
u ALWAYS have a choice, if u dont you’ll have to deal with the concequences.

[Shiprex]

The last one is about the DEATHs in work that are 95% men
Responsibility for society is till men and they're the ones who you ignore with the complaining but NEED them to be there because women aren't pulling their weight.

No still here just in a better time zone that you all.
It seems a comment was not posted I made to @agape93 that they were talking ABOUT me so I have a right of reply
@chocolatetwopointo
Things men are still responsible for
Lets see
DEFENCE; SECURITY, Sanitation, sewage, transportation, food production, water treatment, energy provision, construction, THOSE things women CAN do but have the excuses of "toxic work environment (hard physically demanding, stressful, dangerous you mean)", "doesn't fit in with family life (because men don't have families?)", "doesn't align with goals (strong and independent from WHOM are you trying to independent be from?) " and that all the "men there are toxic (why should workplaces adapt to YOUR sensitivities when they've worked for generations without issue?)"
So those few essential services that you all rely on or shall we say DEPEND on are still the bastion of invisible men because you all see men as JUST the worthy ones as models, rich, famous, actors, performers, etc.

[chocolatetwopointo]

im still asking for a source. and still, nobodys forcing u to do those stuff. as i said, leave it to the ones who can't get anything else. tell me WHO is forcing u to do those jobs?

[Shiprex]

You're not an infant, you can search the internet instead of try to get others to do it for you. ALL of those occupation's gender balance can be discovered at the press of a few buttons.
Leaving it to the ones who can't get anything else? Are you serious? You want losers in control of the purity of water, the provision of food, power, construction, and all those emergency services?
Come on you're maybe young but you're surely not that vacant?
MEN are CHOOSING to serve society while women serve themselves, we are not the same. When you can't use critical thinking on a higher level expect to be

[just_a_potato]

Here me out here, and let me tell you what I've learned. It's because men don't like it when a lot of women's issues somehow track back to them, or don't involve them at all. It makes them feel bad because the common man isn't the issue, but rather the male population as a whole. So when they find a woman's space, they get overemotional (as much as they preach that it's infact, a woman who is that way), get bitter, and make it sound like they're being ignored and forgotten. Here's the kicker, when the conversation is brought to them, men and their very real issues, they can't seem to band together and fix said issues because their own sex will tear them down for it. They devalue their own experiences and make light of them in the same exact way they do with women's experiences. They are their own demise ultimately. The specific men who do this don't actually want to be heard, they just don't want women to be heard.

[Agape93]

To make the conversation about them and minimize us. Whenever I listen the maaaaaaaany things we deal with in life men never do, I always get some asshole bringing up how men get murdered more often or how they get falsely accused of rape and its somehow worse than actually getting raped.

[Shiprex]

Women turn things into a MEN*S fault when it's society and that women live life with more privilege and opportunity than men and boys yet STILL claim they're oppressed.
Homelessness, death in workplace essential services provision (men die so you can have power, food, water, sanitation, freedom, security etc.,) and have shittier treatment through the justice system, divorce, reproductive rights, and don't get to retire earlier so as to receive the same retirement opportunities as women. Maybe WOMEN should work longer to even things up. They already get the benefit of education system being delivered by them for them an society gives them easier access to further education.

[chocolatetwopointo]

literally everything you’ve said is straight bs.

[Shiprex]

It's always BLAMING men for everything and nothing to do with society.

What about all the things MEN still overwhelmingly have responsibility towards society functioning is wrong? Should I provide links?

[chocolatetwopointo]

everything men do women do too:

[Shiprex]

Not nearly as much or as often

[Agape93]

Was I talking to you ship? No. Fuck off

[chocolatetwopointo]

id love to see ur sources

[chocolatetwopointo]

no? bc i dont know which ones u mean. if u make a statement u need to have a source otherwise u look stupid, u alr do.

[Agape93]

Don't bother with him. He's done here.

[Cormac995]

Context matters here there are definitely situations where it's narcissistic and selfish but there have been times where I've done a back and forth with woman about her problems and mine because I had similar experiences, I could tell her about so I could give her answers on what to do when they have similar problems. Basically, it's about providing context to the life experience that lets me qualify to give advice.

For example, I've seen a lot of people including woman on here talking about how lonely and unhappy they are and I'm very qualified in that. If you do it in a respectful way with the purpose of using a similar experience you've had to relate better to theirs that's just trying to help bridge the gap and make it clear you understand their pain and the can relate to you as a result.

If you turn someone asking for help or advice and they flip the conversation to be all about them yea that's being a douche. There's a difference between deep conversation and talking about your own personal experiences and just using someone as a sound board to de stress.

[Blunky]

Abusive men do this. A form of whataboutism that they impose on themselves as if talking about women's issues is dismissing theirs. They take it personally that you're not talking about them because according to self-centered twits like that, women should be focused on men's issues the same as their own even though men and women have wildly different types of issues.

I just recently had it out with some moron here that tried to make discrimination towards women about men, and that saying women are discriminated against more is the same as dismissing men's issues. Zero logical sense there, just a sour loser who blames women for his lack of social skills.

[glennos89]

I think you are being a bit young to fully grasp this situation about men and their feelings.

Guys are being told from a young age that they are weak if they show their negative emotions. We are being told that we are a weak man if we cry.

Most guys have so mental issues they are keeping inside because woman don't care about a guy's true emotions and they often even become turned off if a guy starts crying.

I know just a few woman who truly listened and cared about my emotions when I feel down. I'm even afraid to show to them to a woman because I'm not sure how well they are willing to listen and care for my problems.

Woman are constantly showing their emotions freely expecting guys to always be there and listen to her but she rarely does the same thing back.

What you are doing is turning the tables

[chocolatetwopointo]

okay so men should belittle women to get all the attention on them? u can talk about it whenever, but the problem is men ALWAYS bring it up to make it seem like men have it so much harder and to belittle women.

[glennos89]

I'm not belittling woman at all! I'm not sure what your problem is or why you are so frustrated. Is their anything I can do to help you?
I will listen closely if you have something on your chest that you need to talk about🙏🏼👂🏼

[chocolatetwopointo]

well then ur not the men im talking ab. what?

[Sachem]

I wouldn't say that men "always" bring up mens problems when women are complaining. In the past this was never done. Nowadays it is often done. The reason being that now women are learning that men have problems, too, and they also have feelings that women have always disregarded.

I'm reminded of the old Deanna Durbin movies where some guy is wooing her. But in those movies she deliberately hurts the guys. Then she never apologizes. This is the way it has often been in the past with women hurting men, not realizing that such things hurt. Thankfully, we are now living in more enlightened times and women are learning that men have feelings, too.

Keep an open mind -- everyone has feelings and needs. Treat each other well. Let's have a more peaceful world.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ah a man saying this as always💀 im talking ab when they do it as an atempt to belittle them.

[Keyboardkat]

I think what the guy is doing is trying to help or give advice by talking about what he himself did, or would do, with a similar problem. See, sometimes if a woman has a problem, she just wants to vent, and to hear that her guy understands what she's going through. Guys, on the other hand, assume that the woman wants him to help her with her problem, perhaps by giving her suggestions or advice on what to do. And that can take the form of, "Here's what I did when that happened to me." He's really not trying to change the converstation to talk about himself and his problems, he's trying to be helpful, but that may not be what you want.

[SolitarySolace]

Sometimes, when men bring up their struggles in response to a discussion about women’s problems, it’s not about dismissing women’s issues but about pointing out that suffering isn’t one-sided. Many men feel like their struggles are ignored or downplayed, so when conversations focus solely on one gender’s hardships, they bring up their own experiences to highlight the need for balance. Of course, context matters—if someone is doing it to derail the discussion or dismiss the original concern, that’s a different issue. But acknowledging that both men and women face struggles should be seen as a call for empathy, not competition.

- Eva ❤️

[Shiprex]

I agree with this that men bringing up issues that are the same from a men's perspective are automatically ignored, shouted down and derided as insignificant IN SPITE of the evidence to suggest they're WORSE. Take DV for example. it's ALWAYS women blaming men, a man brings up that his wife yells, slaps, kicks, screams etc. then is met with "but you must have done something to make her do it" or "did you ever ask her WHY?" instead of acknowledging the act of abuse that was done by a woman to them.
Or that crime is mainly a male victim situation but ALL that gets talked about is MEN doing crime to women. No where is it even considered WHY men are forced into a life of crime, why men suffer more from a glass floor where they're existing far more disproportionately beneath the floor with poverty and homelessness, lack of provision of shelter etc., because it's ALL about the aspirational glass ceiling that women are given elevators to access through

[Screenwriter]

Selfishness or discomfort. You might interrupt them to say, "I'm talking about my problem, not yours. Do you really want to listen to me vent, or not?"

This is abrupt. But gets RIGHT to the point. If they're uncomfortable, they should say so. If they want to talk to you about their issues, then that's for ANOTHER TIME DAMMIT!!!

[RandomUser1000]

Everyone can have problem regardless of gender, age, race, sexuality, weight, length, etc.

I guess most people are more concerned about the problems relatable to them.
In general a lot of people rather talk about themself rather then listen to others.
(Both girls and guys do that)

[chocolatetwopointo]

sure but u dont need to bring that up when a woman is talking about HER problem.

[RandomUser1000]

@chocolatetwopointo

Maybe.

But maybe the woman is more vocal?
Maybe the man is never listened to if he doesn't speak up?
Is it fair to always be ignored and never listened to because you have "the wrong gender" ?

[chocolatetwopointo]

as i said, they can speak up whenever. but the problem is they’re only doing it when women talk about their problems, so they’re making it sound like they have it sm worse and belittle women.

[RandomUser1000]

@chocolatetwopointo

Let me give you an example.
At a previous job there was a woman who pretty much only talked about herself and her issues and stuff at more or less every chance she got.
She wanted people to listen to her and wanted help with stuff and so on.
But never seemed to listen to others, care for others or help others with anything.
It was always about her, Her, HER.

Even is she is an adult female. A woman.
Would you like to have a friend like that?

Someone who is always take take take take take but never give?
Someone who barely lets you speak unless you talk about her?

And if you still manage to tell her about something that happened to you,
she retells what you said to others, but leave you out of the story to make it seem like it's all about her to get more attention.

I'm not saying all women are like that or anything. I'm saying she in particular is like that.

Essentially no one should have time for anything but to listen to HER problems or help HER with things or give HER attention or entertain HER.

Is the rule that only the most narcissistic person gets to speak?

Would you like to have a friend like that? Even if she's a woman?

[chocolatetwopointo]

HOW R U NOT GETTING THIS. idc ab ur selfish coworker. i dont give a fuck. im talking about when men talk over a woman in an attempt to belittle them. HOW CAN MEN BE THIS RETARDED.

[RandomUser1000]

You don't get respect because you act like an a-hole.
Your behaviour essentially scream "I want to be belittled"

Now you have your answer. You're welcome :p

[chocolatetwopointo]

im not asking for respect im asking for u to not act retarded.

[RandomUser1000]

So you want to be the only retard?

[RandomUser1000]

Hey kiddo
Maybe you shouldn't talk to adults before you get dry behind your ears.

[chocolatetwopointo]

what? js stop being a pedo?

[RandomUser1000]

I'm belittling you because it annoys you. *

But instead of gender, I belittle you because you literally be little.

* (the reason I annoy you is because so far you showed no sign of knowing how to act respectful and discuss things in any form of structured and/or meaningful way)

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok? i literally give no fucks

[Blacke]

A hee heee heee. This is a true funny. Ya see, some men get tired of handling women's problems and so like talk about their own problems as if they were talking to themselves rather than having the women listen to the men's problems. Of which actually to men, the problem is... the women. But this isn't a genderism discrimination thing. It's just natural for men having tougher problems to handle than women that men instead tend to challenge his women with his problem instead. I mean after all, if love and care should be shared, so should the problems, right?

[Apple1996]

They lack empathy and want the attention on them. I've brought up a few times about how I almost died while pregnant and have had men say getting kicked in the balls is worse than what i experienced 🙄 I'm like wtf it's not a game of who has it worse. Idc if the guy did experience something worse than my pregnancy/birth he could bring it up later instead of trying to steal my moment

[Ariesman81]

@Apple1996 But did you die? No... so quit your bitchin'

[chocolatetwopointo]

no way a MAN is trying to talk with a woman about giving birth and pregnancy.

[Apple1996]

@chocolatetwopointo yep they don't have a clue about that shit but still wanna make it a competition

[Apple1996]

@Ariesman81 ill tell that to any vet who complains about having ptsd after going to war

[Anonymous]

Because some men cannot acknowledge that a woman's problems are different from his own. The men want to compare themselves with other people and be a victim. I don't understand where this whole men are more logic than women comes from. Look at how emotional and illogical the drug addict Elon Musk is. He cries when his tesla stock drops and wants to steal money from elderly and starving children to because of stupid shit he does when he is high on LSD, cocaine, and ketamine. Elon Musk is emotional crackhead.

He is not a genius he is one of the dumbest emotional and illogical man I have ever seen. He bought all his businesses.

[236color]

You've put up a lot of stuff, indicating you have had bad experiences with men and don't like or trust them. That's ok the world will survive if you don't deal with men. You can be celibate, gay, asexual or whatever. You can certainly find a community of women on line that will agree with you that all men are awful. I don't think that leads to a happy life making your entire existence about how horrible men are, but do what you gotta do.

[chocolatetwopointo]

so bc i post on an app my whole existence is about men? do u not have a life outside of this app? i know for sure that i do at least.

[Joshydavid25]

They don't always do that.. Plenty of men listen, but when you're trying to anyone while bringing problems up, they will eventually stop listening.. And then maybe even start using counterpoints of their problems to yours.. by the way a lot of women would be the first ones to do this sort of thing.

[Joshydavid25]

Start to vilify**..

[chocolatetwopointo]

thats js not true

[Joshydavid25]

It definitely is.. A group of feminist tried to block the first actual domestic violence shelter for men in the U. S.. Because they thought that it would "take away from women's issues".. Very selfish indeed..

[chocolatetwopointo]

source? and those aren't feminists.

[Joshydavid25]

I'll give you a source later... When the time is right.. And they definitely were feminist.. That's the crux of the movement.. It was always like that..

[chocolatetwopointo]

if they dont stand for equality they’re not feminist, its not hard to understand. whatever they say.

[Joshydavid25]

You don't even stand for equality.. You keep talking mess about men like women aren't terrible either.. So there's that.. But feminism was never able equality.. It was about power..

[chocolatetwopointo]

whats this got to do with me? nope feminism is ab equality. if they say they’re feminist but act sexist they’re sexist. this is common sense. ur like 30 how the fuck do u not know this.

[Joshydavid25]

Because you would identify as a feminist.. And no being a humanitarian is about equality.. Feminism is just about women.. And yes plenty of feminist are sexist.. Like you for instance.. And it's not that I don't know it, it's that I don't agree with it..

[chocolatetwopointo]

says who? oh god is sad i have to explain such a concept to a grown man.

[Joshydavid25]

You don't have to explain anything little girl... I already said I don't agree with it.. What's so hard to understand about that?

[chocolatetwopointo]

doesn't matter if u agree or not if u dont even know what we’re talking about.

[Joshydavid25]

I know exactly what we're talking about because we're talking about it..

[chocolatetwopointo]

mhm ok bye im too tired to argue with a grown man ab facts.

[Joshydavid25]

Yeah you just need to grow up yourself really.. 😎👉..

[chocolatetwopointo]

u literally dont even know what feminism is.. thats common sense. bet ur American.

[Joshydavid25]

I know what feminism claims to be, and it's really not.. And we'll considering feminism sort of originated from America.. Hahaha... I don't think that stands on any legs..

[chocolatetwopointo]

oh god🤦‍♀️ another brainwashed man💀

[Joshydavid25]

The projection is strong with this one.. LOL.. I done told you this a couple of times before.. No need to act brand new about it..

[chocolatetwopointo]

we both know im telling the truth

[Joshydavid25]

I know that you believe you're tellthe truth, but I know what I know about feminism and it's Marxist origins.. It's practically an evil idealogy..

[chocolatetwopointo]

i am tho, u can simply google it up.

[Joshydavid25]

I know what indoctrination they've told us about feminism... I'm I learned the truth.. LOL..

[sirderpsalot123]

A lot of time it's because women attack men while talking about women's issues. They say women have it worse or they will say only women experience it when in reality everyone experiences it.

The other times it's because some people lack the intelligence needed to have a conversation about something they can't relate to.

[chocolatetwopointo]

why r u trying to blame women for men being selfish? u can talk ab it whenever, but u chose to do it when a woman is talking about her problems.

[sirderpsalot123]

Did you not want me to give you an honest answer to your question?

I didn't deny in my opinion it's sometimes unwarranted, but a lot of the time it's in response to women attacking men while they talk about their issues.

[chocolatetwopointo]

so its womens fault men r selfish? seems reasonable.

[sirderpsalot123]

I don't get how that was your takeaway, but man or woman, it's stupid to expect sympathetic responses from the people you're insulting.

[chocolatetwopointo]

thats literally what u said

[Miah06]

I think there is a misunderstanding here. You asked why do men do that.
He says some men feel attacked and other times some men are not capable of relating to the topic, so they make it about them.

I mean that's not blaming women, it's answering the question to what he experienced. This didn't need to escalate to him blaming women when he didn't.
Both of his points are valid. Plenty of women do go on an attack on men. And many men can't look past being a man.
And usually this is the 2 reasons men do this

[chocolatetwopointo]

still not a reason to belittle women. they can talk about it any other time.

[Miah06]

Did he say it was. No.
But if a woman belittles a man, she can expect the same result.
That's what he said, and how can you have a problem with that?
It's a horrible thing for anyone to do, and if man belittles a woman, the woman can defend herself, and if a woman belittles a man, he can defend himself.
Again what he is saying isn't a problem or toxic.
It's just fair.
If a man isn't allowing a woman to express herself, leave him he is horrible, but how is she doing it, is important.
Nobody should have to listen to they partner belittling their entire gender

[chocolatetwopointo]

he's defending it so he might as well. im talking ab men belittling WOMEN tho. am i not? nope, if a woman is talking about her problems a man should not come in and be like ”oh men get that too” ”its not all men” ”women do it too” making it about themselves. stop being a pick me and start reading.

[Miah06]

You changed it to be littling once you got offended. Your initial question had nothing to do with belittling, and when you didn't like his response you turned it into something else.

[chocolatetwopointo]

yes it did r u dumb? why else would anyone say smth about themselves infront of somebody else? retard

[Miah06]

So as i teacher, if you would like i could sit down with you and show you how to use precise verbage that doesn't seem to be generalizations, without little substance to get your point across.
Using keywords like why do some men, belittle women, when they bring up valid, points to avoid talking about their issues.
"Why do men (without clarifying this makes it seems as all men are guilty of this) always (always now says all men always do this) bring up men’s problems when a woman is talking about her problems?" (Her problems more is general, and could mean something she is dealing with or caused)
So using key words in key areas helps to provide a clear and understanding message, that can help get your point across.
None of this explains how this is expressing your concern is with the toxic males who do this to belittle women

[chocolatetwopointo]

bro shut up idc. im talking about for example when a woman is talking about how its international womens day thats the ONLY day men choose to talk about mens international day like ”oh but why dont men have a day?” or such like that, its not hard to understand

[Miah06]

Now. This was a far better way of expressing yourself. This was clear, and precise. You're starting to understand and get it.
Good job

[sirderpsalot123]

@chocolatetwopointo you purposely make your questions as vague as possible so you can change the topic whenever you see that you're loosing the argument that you started.

[chocolatetwopointo]

i thought this was common sense.

[sirderpsalot123]

@chocolatetwopointo having a day for women is a women's issues?

[chocolatetwopointo]

it was an example. basically anything that has got to do with women if thats the only thing u understand.

[Miah06]

It's not an issue. But at least this time she explained it, without having people guess from an endless range of possibilities.
You gotta give her credit for being able get to the topic she would like to discuss.

[chocolatetwopointo]

i thought this was common sense. like how do y'all not get this.

[Miah06]

So i am assuming you're trying to discuss how women post things on the internet? Or are we talking about a partner?
See there are so many variables left undisclosed in the next part.

As for women's day, some men feel they are underrepresented and under appreciated, so they feel they should have one too, or women shouldn't have one at all.

[chocolatetwopointo]

sure could be.
men DO have one. they js ONLY care when a woman is talking about their own thing. they can celebrate it but they CHOSE not to. stop being such a pick me and think every man is some helpless victim.

[Miah06]

A woman's holiday is not a problem. It is a holiday.

Because there are so many variables left out. That i could apply "women's problems to an array of over a 100 possible issues. As well as an even larger amount that some women claim is a problem but is not.
It is an open ended question that lacks context, and value.

It's as valuable as "why are women rude"
"Why are men angry"
"Why do i have to wait here"
There has to be something clear and precise to discuss, because you want to discuss toxic men, belittling women. Leave 0 room for interruption.

Instead you make a question that allows for the answerer to interrupt it how they see fit.
If you want control of the direction your question takes, do not leave it open to interruption.

Keep it clear, precise and to the point.

[chocolatetwopointo]

omg🤦‍♀️ YOU’LL FUCKING LIVE. can u seriously stop being so fucking dramatic if u read what I've answered others you’d know what i meant. like maybe think before u start arguing like its the end of ur life. ITS NOT THAT DEEP. fucking retard.

[Miah06]

I know they have one November 19th. I again said some men feel that way.
Again having a holiday does not equate to a "women's problem"
Please explain how what you asked equates to what we are discussing now.

How is a holiday a "women's problem"
How is it clear that men only means "problematic men"

Now saying men feel like a victim doesn't mean they are a victim.
The important word is "feel" this means it's their thought process not truth.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ITS. NOT. THAT. DEEP. why do u make such a huge deal about such a non problem? as i said, READ THE OTHER RESPONSES BEFORE U START BASHING. is this clear enough for u? or am i gonna have to spell it out for u?

[Miah06]

Who's being dramatic? I'm having a discussion as well as helping you to do a better job expressing something you seem to find valuable.
And you are cussing and name calling.
The only one getting riled up is you.
It's ok. You failed on this question.
Take what you were taught and apply it to your next one. You got this. I believe in you

[chocolatetwopointo]

YOU are. bc ur making a huge deal out of such a non problem. bro stfu and kys ur blocked and annoying as hell, maybe check others before u start bashing people bc ur fucking retarded, god i hate people like u.

[AaronKrieger]

A lot of people are too divisive in general about their opinions/beliefs to the point they won't listen and be empathetic.

It is fine for someone to bring up their own gender's problems if it's relevant to the other, but it should be done as awareness and not to compare which one is worse. Also, it doesn't matter if one gender has it worse, since it's still an issue for both.

[Breanna_nonbinary]

Because like all people we are all egocentric. It’s a learned response to listen. Listening, tolerance, empathy and understanding are all skills that learned. At your age it is especially rare and even more hard to learn since we are constantly bombarded with messages that what we want will make us happy. Men and women are too different they just learn at different rates and in different ways to be empathetic.

[Effably]

I'd hope we do not. Everyone faces problems and it is no competition. We can tackle yours today and maybe unite to tackle mine some other day.

My guess to the most obvious reason if this happens a lot is that you might be polarizing the sides and setting the stage poorly. Anytime an issue is turned into us vs them rather than all of us vs the issue, you are bound to get nowhere but people screaming at each other.

[AviatorTom]

Always is a dangerous word. When a woman brings up her problems, the best thing for the man to do is listen. Then, since she brought up hers, he mentions his, expecting her to listen to his problems.

That's not what usually happens though. 😥

[David318578]

Maybe they are trolls or maybe they are competing in the "who is the biggest victim" game and that's just the normal tactic.

But who cares if some strangers bring up other problems? Someone else's problems does not have anything to do with yours. Ignore it and move on?

[chocolatetwopointo]

u do know its not always braindead people on the internet right? these people actually live. and its kinda hard to mind my own business when a man is making everything ab himself.

[David318578]

It's super easy to deal with. Stop engaging with him regardless if it's online or irl
Problem solved

[chocolatetwopointo]

or maybe we need to teach men that not everythings about them?

[David318578]

You have no control over changing someone else, but your own actions you have complete control over.

Ignore and avoid the people that irritate you, your life will be much easier and happy

[chocolatetwopointo]

sure but i can teach them and hopefully they’ll learn. im alr happy. u seem like one who js ignores problems and expect them to go away, naive. always a man💀

[David318578]

You can't teach them anything, there is no point. Look how I tried to teach you about your personality problems l and you're default is still to attack and insult.
You expecting anyone will listen to you is really naive, you are just a kid. Nobody gives kids any serious consideration, so you are just waisting your time.

Also ignoring that problem does make it go away f. y. i but some lessons you will need to learn yourself.

Goodluck

[chocolatetwopointo]

ah so men r stupid? got it. i dont care ab what others think tho.

[David318578]

No 16 year olds who think they have all the answers with havening no world experiences are the stupid ones.

Dont worry all teenagers are like that so you're in good company.

[chocolatetwopointo]

yet u said i can't teach men anything. meaning men r stupid. never said i have all the answers.

[David318578]

Meaning nobody is going to listen to a 16 year old so save yourself the hassle and just ignore them

[chocolatetwopointo]

ah ok so would they listen if i was 30?

[David318578]

Much better chance. Just almost double your age and you are good to go!

[chocolatetwopointo]

so men dont respect or listen to women? got it.

[David318578]

Didn't say anything about gender just age. If you where 30 you would of known that

[chocolatetwopointo]

i think we both know that men dont respect women.

[David318578]

A 30 year old would know how silly a statement like that would be

[chocolatetwopointo]

nope, men have never respected women and they show that everyday.

[David318578]

The wisdom of a teenager knows no bounds.

[chocolatetwopointo]

if men respected women, men wouldn't rape, abuse or kill.

[David318578]

Men kill and rape other men as well so it's almost like there is bad people in the world and has nothing to do with a generalisation about the genders.

Don't worry you will be 30 soon enough and understand.

[chocolatetwopointo]

well, there's definetly more men who rape kill and abuse both genders, soooo.

[ProbablyClueless]

I'm sure some of it is lack of empathy and an attempt to minimize the problem. Most of it is probably a good-faith but ham-fisted attempt to reframe the problem to find a solution.

And of course, there's always my default assumption of people not having any intention at all, and just speaking without thinking.

[LogicBomber]

Why do women think men care about their problems?

most of the time, women complain about nonsense, false victim crap, or fabricated exaggerations.
men like to remind women that regardless of your “problem”… men have it worse 99% of the time.

[chocolatetwopointo]

wow u have it so hard u can't cry😐 u dont have it hard u baby

[LogicBomber]

First of all, learn how to write/speak properly.
Second, once we look past your grade school shaming tactics, men are statistically and provably worse off than women are in the majority of things. But men don’t play victim and constantly look for sympathy for attention the way women who complain do.

But when you hear a member of the most protected and provided for groups of humans complain (generally about some asinine falsehood) then we men, who are the reason your entitled world exists, get to tell you a real struggle.

[chocolatetwopointo]

its called shortings. what statistics? yet you do like allllll the time. the only reason men made society is bc women werent allowed.

[LogicBomber]

There are literally TWO societies in the world ran completely by women… they still live in grass huts and shit in the forest. Women didn’t advance and maintain societies because they CAN’T not because they weren’t allowed. 99% of deadly jobs are done by men because women can’t do them. As “sTrOnG aNd iDePeNdAnT” as you want to claim you are… you do not have the mental or physically capacity to do the level of things men do to keep society going.
The “statistics” I am referring to are easily obtainable.
Men make up 99% of work place deaths
Men do 99% of the dangerous and dirty jobs
Men are expected to provide and protect
Paternity fraud is rampant and women get away with destroying mens lives because of these lies.
The courts system, divorce system, police system, school systems, and prison system are all bias in favour of women.
Society allows women to falsely accuse men of crimes and destroy their lives regardless of her getting caught lying or not. It’s a win win for them.
Men are forced into was, women are inherently protected.
There are endless female only clubs, groups, housing, funding, government programs, gyms, scholarships, etc. not because of “feminism” or women either, they are there because society is gynocentric and has ALWAYS protected women.

[chocolatetwopointo]

what societies? why couldnt women do them? and what jobs?
ok dont do those jobs then. nobodys forcing u. leave it for those who can't get anything else.
nobodys expecting u to protect or provide its not the 1960s anymore. in what way are they biased in womens favors?
ok but when a man rapes kids and women and ruined there lives they dont get any jailtime. totally makes sense. when have u been forced into wars? and nowadays everybody is if there were a war.
yeah bc men ruined all that. we wouldn't need them if men could keep it in their pants.

[Miristheiss]

I do not know, women have been blathering about what helpless victims they are for 60 years. All the laws cater to them, all the help programs are catered to them all family law is catered to them.

[chocolatetwopointo]

what laws? what help programs? what family law?

[itsannalee]

It’s not always, my man never let me know his details problems he has on his plate.


People who talk about their own problems when you share your problems to them are people who don’t care about you. It doesn’t matter men or women.

[Summeroflove]

Well some women do it too. Not most…. Just some. But they do it either because they want their voice to be heard or they don’t think whatever issue she has is important

[chocolatetwopointo]

wah wah wah. im done with yalls excuses ”its not all men” ”women do it too” yk where u hear those types of arguments too? in preschools. grow up.

[Summeroflove]

And I say the same thing to people making comments about women. People are who they choose to be I’m not making excuses for shitty men or shitty women.

But sexists are also shitty people who many times project who they are on the opposite sex. As well as to deflect accountability. Especially when people choose to sleep with shit people. And blame the other person even if it took two

[chocolatetwopointo]

no where CLOSE to how many men say it. take responsebility u fuck.

[Summeroflove]

I’m not responsible for what other men do as you’re not responsible for what other women do

[Anonymous]

Because for the last 50 years western society has focused on women's needs and ignored men's. That is still the case today because the perception is still that women are disadvantaged victims of patriarchal oppression, which of course is bullshit if they live in the West.

[Lowly_Grumper]

I hate men because they impregnate all women and female animals, thus women evolved with smaller brains, instead of selectively breeding only smart ones.

[Anonymous]

Well in your case it's because all you do here is talk about your problems and hate on men. You make a complete asshole of yourself here every day. So...

[chocolatetwopointo]

what does this have to do with me? am i the only woman in the world?

[Opinion Owner]

It has to do with you because of your behavior here. You consistently act like an asshole on GAG every day. You're a shitty person.

[chocolatetwopointo]

sure but im not talking ab me, am i?

[Opinion Owner]

You're the one asking the question, and the one who hates men.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok and? this question is not about me. what is not going into ur pea brain.

[Opinion Owner]

It wasn't the answer you wanted, that's all.

[chocolatetwopointo]

bro r u dumb? WHEN did i say this question has anything to do with me?

[CupcakeTheDestroyer]

This happens in every conversation, whether you take it as a one-up or a sign of active listening and an attempt to relate is an individual issue

[Anonymous]

Because you hang out w bitch add men. I don’t ever talk about my issues, nor do a lot of the men I hang out w including my brothers. Considering your age you’re probably hanging out w little boys who have been feminized.

[Anonymous]

Probably because men's problems are always ignored and women are always talking about their problems

[chocolatetwopointo]

so they need to belittle women?

[Opinion Owner]

Source?

[chocolatetwopointo]

fym source?

[Opinion Owner]

Source...

[chocolatetwopointo]

FYM SOURCE U RETARDED WHORE? r u like actually dumb? its not hard to fucking explain. these retards fucking make me wanna kms

[Opinion Owner]

Cmon what your source?

[Opinion Owner]

You've none lol

[chocolatetwopointo]

for an opinion? I don't know maybe MYSELF? all these retarded whores istg

[chocolatetwopointo]

maybe go outside?

[katiesmuff]

Guess i don't pay attention as I can't recall hearing much of that!

[Staximus]

What men and women in real life are you talking about? You're 16, school kids aren't men and women

[Staximus]

Are you talking about in the fake online world or in real life

[chocolatetwopointo]

am i talking about 16 yr olds? no.
im talking ab both. men exist in both yk.

[Staximus]

Stupid stuff you read and see online is not the real world

[chocolatetwopointo]

”im talking about both”.

[Anonymous]

Frankly no one gives a shit about women because they don't make themselves worth caring for these days

[Summeroflove]

That’s honestly a really hateful thing to say to women in general. There is billions of women out there and not all women are the same. Plenty are very empathetic amazing people but with a attitude like that. Why would someone decent want to be around you?

Just because there are some shit women doesn’t make all women bad because of how they are born. You cannot control what sex/gender you’re born as unless you’re a stupid leftist who thinks otherwise.

People control their character and that’s what you should look at. If you claim women can’t help the way they are but also want accountability. You’re literally taking that away by saying they can’t help it. Which they can.

[Opinion Owner]

@Summeroflove I'm just trolling because this same girl complains about men nonstop and doesn't listen to thoughtful arguments

[Babygirl_S]

Many even deny we have problems, especially those who haven’t seen the violence certain women face

[David_beckham]

Not all boys do that; according to me, some traits are there in the personality and not in their genders.

[Xiciwi]

I don't think the issue is men bringing up men's problems when discussing women's issues. I believe the issue lies in the hypocrisy surrounding these problems.

[retarb]

Mutual bitching and bitchery. Complaining goes both ways.

[sophie123469]

Might be trying to sympathize or understand where they’re coming from.

[Rohaan2020]

Bcz men are selfish…they just want everything about themselves…. They can’t be as selfless as women….

[masterSir]

because no one listens to us. we have to bare it ourselves, alone

[chocolatetwopointo]

go to a therapist? u dont need to ruin it for women bc ur a little sad

[masterSir]

You made my point. Irony

[chocolatetwopointo]

how? why should i waste my time?

[Anonymous]

It's called a conversation unlike a lecture or rant.

[chocolatetwopointo]

no? its called narcissism.

[fish5505_87]

We are tying to deflect, because, we have no answers.

[Professor-college]

Probably because both sexes have problems but sometimes women act as if only they have them

[andreasderjuengere]

Do ''we''?

''Always''?

[chocolatetwopointo]

like when its international womens day, thats the day when most people google when the mens international day is. and they bring it up js to make it about themselves.
or when a woman is talking about rape and a man says ”not all men” or ”women do it too”, do u need more?

[andreasderjuengere]

You already know what you want to hear. As usual :)
I don't need more. Thanks.

[chocolatetwopointo]

so ur too stupid to answer? got it.

[moneymagnet24]

Stay away from such a week men

[chocolatetwopointo]

learn how to spell

[moneymagnet24]

Aw typo mistake I'm sorry miss 😂

[TwoToTooTutu2]

Some people like to make problems a competition.

[wkhan_87]

Because women's problems are just endless.

[chocolatetwopointo]

then maybe listen?

[Anonymous]

Not sure but that’s a very good question

[PaleDale]

Selfish/self-centered

[notds]

We learned it somewhere.

[Sofia1987_]

It’s the suppression Olympics that why.

[Cyrus000]

Like when?

[chocolatetwopointo]

like when its international womens day, thats the day when most people google when the mens international day is. and they bring it up js to make it about themselves.
or when a woman is talking about rape and a man says ”not all men” or ”women do it too”, do u need more?

[Cyrus000]

I personally am of the opinion that there is some merit to what men are saying in those cases. Because international mens day do not get any traction, men's issues are largely ignored by government spheres and worldwide courts/online platforms. As for rape, yes. I don't think men don't want rapists punished or want rapes to happen. But often feminists try to blame all men for rape, that's just not true. The vast majority of men are not rapists and will never rape. False rape accusations/legal rape escapees are also a huge issue. Now, in this, am I saying women shouldn't have their own days? No, they should. Am I saying women's issues shouldn't be taken seriously? No. They should. But men's issues should also be taken seriously with equal intensity. That's what I think those men are getting at. And I don't think that's wrong.

[chocolatetwopointo]

sure you can say that, but the problem is they’re saying that EVERYTIME a woman says anything about what women go through, its obvious he’s trying to make it about himself.
if it doesn't get any traction, MAKE IT. google what day it is and do smth ab it. women sure won't if ur expecting them too. and by the way mens international day is everyday according to me and a lot of women.
usually they say js ”men” and not ”all men” so if ur offended, thats on u. i wouldn't be offended if a man only said ”women” instead of ”all women”. ur more likely to be bitten by a shark than to be falsely accused.
there's a day for basically every issue a man has. international military day, i think its called, but its for the military. we have mens health month, even a day for it too i think, and we have black history month for black men, name me one more problem men have that doesn't have a month or a day.

[Cyrus000]

Military? Both men and women serve. Dying to protect people is something big? Mens health month? No one even hears about it. No Google posts. Black history month is for black people. Not men or men's issues. Due to men complaining and calling out hypocrisy through red pill avenues and comment sections, there have been changes made. It will continue until more changes are made. Men rule and run the world. It's only fair men get traction. I agree with you. Men will get their due.

[chocolatetwopointo]

THEN DO SMTH ABOUT IT. you can't fucking expect women to always speak up about YOUR problems. u gotta talk more about it, its not our problem men think its silly or not. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND STOP FUCKING COMPLAINING. gosh its sad i have to say this to a grown man. realise how im 16 and alr know this.
some men r black yk💀 ok what should they get? what dont they have? what MORE do y'all want? u have seriously everything.

[Cyrus000]

... Men are doing something about it. Complaining, raising their voices in response IS doing something. See how Trump won the Popular vote? It was men who voted him in. See how they officially made it only men and women? It was mostly men who voted for that? See how they kicked transmen out of women's sports? Men did that. Men ARE responding. And some women are black. What's your point? Men need equal rights in court. If women get rights to abortion, men should get a right to a mandatory DNA test. Men should get a right to choose whether to pay alimony. Women who file fake rape cases should face the death penalty or life imprisonment, same as rapists would. Men's issues should get the same online ad tracktion and popularity as female issues. Men should have more male only spaces, gyms. There are a lot more issues men are fighting for. Look it up if you want.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok good, go celebrate. happy now? u think its good trump became president? and there were loads of women too. all of them r stupid no matter the gender. where did u get this? what man did this? that black men r getting a month, whats the problem?
why r u having kids with a woman if u can't trust her? seems like a u problem. dont women also pay alimony?
when men face death penalty for rape thats when we’ll make false rape accusations the same.
ok then do that, make an account. there's a reason women care ab it so much. why should u have male only spaces?🤦‍♀️ women have it so men dont rape and harass. give me an equivalent to that.

[Cyrus000]

I mean, the majority of men think it's a good idea. It's mostly men who voted him in. The vast majority of younger men are also tilting right worldwide now. Black PEOPLE are getting a month. I thought women chose? Their body, their choice. Men have no say. Women do not pay alimony in 99% of cases. Men don't want to deal with false rape accusations/want to feel safe and have community with their own gender. What's wrong with that?

[Cyrus000]

Like I said, men are doing what we want to now. Men are increasingly moving more and more to the right. Leftist men will soon become a rarity.

[chocolatetwopointo]

and what in ur right mind told u that voting for a proved pedo and rapist is good?
yeah and black men r part of that. black men won't get a day, same way black women dont.
whats ur point with the her body her choice argument i dont get it? is this not common sense?
ok change that then. ah wow u have it SOO hard. dont put urself in situations like that then, not that hard, is it? has it ever happened to u? bc it doesn't happen and this is such a non problema nd u only want attention.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok so what the fuck r u complaining about?

[Cyrus000]

Can't you read? I literally talked about all the issues the need fixing. Men will vote for who they want to. If you have an issue with it, actually try getting more men on your side instead of debasing, swearing at/insulting them. The more you insult us, the more we will bring people in who will do things you won't like. 😅🤷

[chocolatetwopointo]

you think any man would listen or even respect me? then ur crazy.

[Cyrus000]

If you don't think they can, then you're sexist.

[chocolatetwopointo]

how is saying facts sexist?

[Cyrus000]

The idea that no man listens to/respects women is based on zero facts and is a sexist statement. I don't know what some rando dude did to you, but you need therapy and you need to heal of this man hate.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok so why didn't they vote for kamala knowing what trump is? nope, men dont respect women. u wouldn't listen to a woman if she told u what to vote for, but i bet u would if it was a man.

[Cyrus000]

Because men care about different issues than women do, like the economy, the borders, national security. Not trans ideology, wokeism and inclusivity. Kamala was a horrible candidate. She couldn't even give a straight interview without cuts. No woman should be elected as president just because she's a woman. If the Democrats had chosen someone like Tulsi Gabbard, they may have won. I wouldn't vote for Democrats no matter which man it was if his policies resembles Kamalas.

[chocolatetwopointo]

so women dont care ab that? ok so u chose to vote for a pedo and rapist, got it. now ur js as bad.

[Cyrus000]

Yes, all studies show that women do not care about those things as much and are more herd thinkers than men and are more sensitive to social issues and hence more prone to leftist utopian ideologies. None of the accusations against Trump has stayed in court, despite Democrats trying for years to get him locked up one way or the other. If he was guilty, he would be in jail.

[chocolatetwopointo]

id love to see those studies. ok so when he said he’d sleep with his daughter didn't confirm anything to u?

[Cyrus000]

I agree that it was a distasteful comment, but there's no proof he did do anything like that. It was a mere euphemism. For the studies, look it up on Google and you'll find them.

[chocolatetwopointo]

meaning he WOULD. and I don't know which ones u mean, give me a link

[Cyrus000]

Which of my statements do you need a scientific study on? Can you specify? I'll send you a few links on it

[chocolatetwopointo]

bro what do u think.

[Cyrus000]

I've made multiple claims. Which ones do you want evidence for

[chocolatetwopointo]

I don't know maybe the ones where u said ”u can google it up” these retards actually scare me.

[Cyrus000]

Listen. There is no reason to call me names. I excused it twice now. I'd be more than happy to carry on this conversation, once you apologise for name calling. I have not once called you names and I expect the same respect in return. Am I clear?

[chocolatetwopointo]

you’ll live.

[Cyrus000]

Good day.

[chocolatetwopointo]

oh god, another sensitive 40 yr old🤦‍♀️

[JamesRandiDebates]

We don't.

[chocolatetwopointo]

u do.

[JamesRandiDebates]

How would you know? Women never stop talking long enough to hear what anyone else is saying.

[chocolatetwopointo]

bc im not retarded like u.

[JamesRandiDebates]

You're a child. You don't have any problems.

[chocolatetwopointo]

oh yeah? as a 16 yr old I've been harrassed by men more times than i can count on both my hands. how many times has that happened to u? and how many times have u been told to cover up? or ever been told ”he’d bullying u bc he likes u”? huh?

[JamesRandiDebates]

That has nothing to do with the original question.

[chocolatetwopointo]

but it does tho. if i ever were to speak about any of that there would be a man talking over me about his problems