I really had not heard of all this bollox until I joined GaG, most guys I know that make an active decision to remove themselves from the dating and relationship pool, just do it and don’t make a sound, or complain, they know it’s their own choice and live with it.
from what I have seen to date, it’s a bunch of moaning North Americans, who in part blame the government (video I watched the other day about this lot, the guy blamed the government soo many times).
Also on here, it’s invariably a Blue Anon preaching it, basically a guy with zero bottle to go open with what is moaning or mewling about.
These Anons will then go on about how they are waiting for ‘high value women’ with low body counts etc, thing is this is a bloke who is not confident or brave enough to post as their own account and is over 30.
Is a bloke over 30 with confident issues and often a very rapey attitude a good catch for anyone?
They tend to be the ones who are holding out for that perfect 1950’s type housewife, virgin, never dated, will do everything their mummy does for them.
they then spend the rest of the time as Anons slut shaming anyone, or often being apologists for rapists.
As a movement it likely started out with good intentions, now however it’s has fanatics and extremists passing on messages that are basically hate. A lot really should be getting counselling as they have very obvious mental health issues, Mummy Boy types and worse.
MGTOW aka MEOW as that’s the noise a bunch of pussies make.
They need to go their own way, close the door and keep walking and not bother anyone else.
@ChrisMaster69. I look at it the way people react when someone announces on social media they are leaving - "it's not the airport, you don't have to announce your departure." If they want to go their own way, just go quietly not noisily. Nobody wants to hear the emotive missives. Also, they have the "if you're not for us you're against us" attitude towards men who aren't likeminded. They trash men who don't think exactly like them.
Because they can´t stop thinking about women. Every time they meet a woman they are confronted subconciously confronted with their failure with women that led to them sympathizing or supporting mgtow. The problem is for many of them, that they think a relationship is the goal in life so being single you must be a failure. That way they can´t see the world around them and find joy in other things because they already went down the rabbit hole that happiness can only be achieved in a relationship.
Well, the simple and obvious answer to this question is that they're not "going their own way" at all, and are just deceiving themselves. It's a question that I've often thought about, because I've come across these MGTOW "men" quite a few times online, and the number one topic I noticed was women and how awful they apparently all are (because, you know, we're not individuals but some weird, amorphous mass of "womanhood" or something, with a hive mind).
Yeah, this surprises me as well. Instead to talk about hunting, fishing, football, cigars and whiskey or other boys hobbies, they just complain how disadvantaged they are because girls avoid them. Affection and love isn't a god given right. If someone wants to go their own way, it's logically that this person has to renounce all benefits of going a way together.
Why do you care? People talk, like why do women talk about wanting a good guy then keep dating the same type? People are stupid who cares, they want to shit talk women that's their right, girls want to shit talk the shitty guys they keep picking that's their right too.
No one ever said every mgtow is happy to be mgtow, they probably want girls but they know they aren't worth the trouble, at least from their bad experiences with them, damn shame they gave up, eventually they would probably find a good one.
True MGTOW don't, the ones who claim to be MGTOW on social media are those that have have had a bad time through 'family court' where they've lost 90% of everything they'd built and access to their children, because of a process they did not initiate.
MGTOW do not hate women they just do not wish to have a close personal relationship at this particular moment this is not set in stone it depends if they meet someone they feel they are compatible with, all these men have done is performed a risk/benefit analysis and decided that marriage/family life is not for them.
MGTOW isn't about hating women, it's effectively a boycott on things women want so that issues where males are the majority i. e. Suicide (80%), Workplace Deaths (92%), Homelessness (72%), Alimony, Child Support Reform, Child Custody reform, etc. get improved.
They WANT to live alongside women, but society has made it too risky or dangerous. Also some are deeply hurt or upset, I mean how could you not be after losing your home and children in a divorce?
Try to have some compassion for WHY men feel the way they do, Women say far worse things about Men. I've never seen a MGTOW "#KillAllWomen" for example but they sure had a "#KillAllMen" that was allowed.
For the same reason people trying to keep you from safe spend so much time talking to you about the precautions needed to prevent bad things from happening to you, via previous experience or other facts.
I know this post was mean to shame MGTOW men and I myself am not one, but I understand their logic especially when it comes to marriage in todays female entitled false victim complex world.
Men who have seen the worst part of the gynocentric society are trying to save other men from having to deal with the same bullshit.
I bet you never thought twice about asking why man hating feminist spend most of their time talking about men to other women and looking for every avenue they can to shame and attack men... because that is considered ok, right?
MGTOW men tell other men what to watch out for, they don’t go getting into positions of power to try and prevent women from basic life things the way feminist do to men.
Well first of all man hating feminist is an oxymoron. You can’t be a feminist and be misandrist, that would be a contradiction. And no misandry is not okay. However you can caution people about issues and inequality with out being a bigot
bahahaha feminism is based in misandry and always has been. The most famous and idolized voices of feminism were man hating. Solanas, Grier, Dworkin, Steinem, etc. The biggest organizations like NOW and WAR, have shut down equal right for men in court bias, divorce, custody, paternity fraud. Feminism claims to be about equality but it’s action speak its truth.
You can have a group called happiness and claim your core objective is spreading joy to everyone but if the majority of your actions are in taking shit to others and making them miserable with verbal and physical abuse, your “definition” means nothing.
So when feminist claim they are not man hating, their actions tell the truth.
They probably just want to explain their own reasons as to why they're going their own way or try to encourage people to join them.
People can promote what they want and some have argued that it's simply a response to feminism or the hateful aspects of it, I mean aren't the latter the ones that think putting the word 'man' in everything makes it bad, like mansplaining, so if MGTOW is bad, you could say the same for feminism.
I don't know much about either, before anyone bashes me.
Selection bias, the ONLY time to encounter a MGTOW you know is MGTOW is when he's venting online. YUsually it's a new MGTOW to know the phases greif, anger acceptance repeat. You can't here what the majority of men aren't saying. Because they are men and if one guy says it 20,345,564 thought the same but just kept it to himself.
Why does feminism always talk about men and blame them? Same answer. They are still angry and blame others instead of solving their problems and their life. The MGTOW men that actually have checked out you don't hear. They are just out there minding their own business. And the feminist that doesn't blame men you don't hear either but the question is if they actually can be identified as feminist in today society. Because it's always us vs them. Never attempt to find a common solution.
Well it's not like most men can or wants to live in a cottage in the forest. So they have to deal with women, since that's their only problem they can't control, it's what occupies their mind.
Cause in reality, most of them are a bunch of incels who couldn't get a girlfriend cause they're horrible sexist people, but they won't accept their faults and try to change, instead they'll blame women. They think this going their own way idea will make women chase them but obviously women want nothing to do with them, thus they grow bitter and regress into childresn whining on the internet.
Women gossip about dick size and men's behaviour all the time and there is no problem with that but god forbid if men DARE to talk about female nature and spread red pill awareness in a gynocentric system that is rigged against them. No! This is not acceptable! To the gulag now, sexist pigs.
Because they are retarded and hypocritical. They hate feminazis but expect from people to tolerate their hate towards women and whine whenthey get backlash. They exactly use about feminazi shaming tactics, but whine when these shaming tactics are used against them.
Women also have bad experience with men. Should rape victims etc systematically hate all men now? Since some users it is ok just because of their bad experience with women who divorce them
Like feminism, a lot of these type of people have to regularly remind themselves why the opposite sex is shouldn't be trusted in order to maintain a certain worldview. Like three meals a day.
Because as they grow older, their natural desire to want to settle down with someone starts intensifying, and they can't have that. Not with an image to uphold.
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Right? MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way. For men, who are supposedly going their own way, they sure are obsessed with hating on women women and whining about them. Way to go MGTOW. Not. 🙄
Let me preface this by saying that I am NOT a MGTOW or a men's rights activist. However I will invite you to listen to a TED talk by a feminist documentation that decided to make a film about them. Please do not just dismiss this out of hand or roll your eyes. Actually listen to what she is saying the same way you would want me to listen to someone speaking about women.
Why do feminists spend so much time talking about men? The answer is the same for both parties, KNOW YOUR ENEMY. You can't very well know them if you don't talk about them. Your implied sense of shame doesn't exist. Talking about women to understand women, or at the very least share your experiences with them, has no inherent guilt or toxicity to it.
feminism and mgtow are not equivalents, the MRA would be a more accurate comparison. MGTOW in and of it's self is a contradiction. How are you supposed to go your own way if all you do is talk about the thing you are supposedly trying to separate yourself from?
MRAs hardly exist anymore. What was left of the MRAs folded themselves into the manosphere years ago. MGTOW is only a contradiction so much as you wield the term in a vacuum. "Men Going Their Own Way" doesn't necessarily imply that they are separating themselves from women entirely. I could go my own way and you could go your own way and we could still end up going the same way. What makes us going our "own" way is we set out to do it on our own. MGTOW isn't a complete cut off from women, only an opt of the modern state of relationships. That doesn't mean you can't date and hook up on occasion, most men do even in MGTOW. They just have no interest in taking things very far. If you still want sex from women, you gotta understand them, thus you talk about them. As for feminism, I don't give a damn what webster says. They function more or less the same as MGTOW. They just didn't bother to change the name.
It’s because naturally like any normal person they want relationships. They’re angry because they don’t feel like they can have one, either because they just can’t attract women or because they feel like they can’t have a healthy relationship in today’s culture.
Who would not speak of it. Western women's loss of love and respect for their men. Men's indifference and apathy. 35% employment participation rate. 1.6 birth rate. White westerners extinct themselves in three generations. Sounds like a news story to me.
Well, to me MGTOW is basically the male version of modern day feminism. I believe it's for the same reason why feminists complain about men incessantly- sexual frustration.
Much like contemporary feminists, MGTOW bros don't really want to distance themselves from the opposite sex. They just want to complain.
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they tend to talk about women so as to convince other men not to make the same mistakes they did and to understand true female nature. Basically even though women are a central topic its more helping young men/older men deprogram themselves from the lies society tells them of women caring about personality and wanting relationships over sex.
@Still-alive True nature meaning that women are very much like men and are in fact more superficial than men. The whole notion that women care more about personality than men is a false narrative. In addition, a lot of young men that attention for women is equivalent of sex for men. Women will take attention where ever they can get it which is why social media is such a big obsession with women and why you see so many women on their phones near 24/7.
The second point is important because too many young men build a good relationship with a girl and think she likes him when she is just using him and actually has a man behind the scene who fulfills the sexual role of the boyfriend for her. Another myth that needs to be broken is women making men wait for sex because they aren't as sexual. A woman knows within the first 2-3 minutes of meeting you if she wants to fuck you. If she makes you wait chances are she is just milking you for attention/resources/services and most likely you are a backup she has in case her main plan doesn't work out.
Other things guys don't understand is that girls often have a backup man they are preparing to swing towards after breaking up with a guy. It's called monkey branching and a woman will emotional detach herself months in advance from a guy and mentally prepare for the breakup while making sure the guy she has her eyes set on has been vetted for actually wanting to be with her.
Other things men need to realize that it's not winning if a hot girl in her 30's now or over suddenly wants to date an average or below average guy. As women get older their priority shift from 1. Looks 2. status 3. money to 1. money 2. status and 3. Looks and they care more about your financial stability and if you can carry them in life. It's not actually winning but more of using you for survival.
Because those in mgtow that do so are just embittered misogynists that have either never had a woman, or have but had some bad experiences and couldn't get over them.
My guess is that some of them had their life ruined by a woman. Sometimes I wonder if countries like Syria and Libya that kill female rape victims had it right all along. Those women in western countries typically spend the rest of their life hating men and trying to exact revenge. Seems easier to just put them out of everyone's misery.
Yeah most of them are dumb but only because nobody listens to you until you succeed. Learn how to date and get relationships then tell me how you think it doesn't work. Nobody wants to hear some fat nerd in his moms basement talk about his opinions on dating and relationships. Lmao.
Just like i dont want to hear from some single 30 something career woman eithet... well go get married to a "real" man then criticize men.
Because they don't care about men or men's rights. They have garbage personalities and instead of taking personal responsibility and working on themselves, it's easier to just blame women for all of their problems.
Hey thanks! I have been focused on other things, but its great to know my posts are memorable. I actually have a long list of my takes yet to be written and I quit World of Warcraft again so, maybe there will be more soon!
@AmandaYVR 's take on the term incel is fantastic! Thanks for sending me that way so I could see it.
As someone who used to be the old version of Incel because I was more interested in deep meaningful love than pointless hookups as a teenager, and is now mostly voluntary because well... so many people dont grow out of that phase, I hate to see the term INCEL used to mean "violent misogynist". That is not what it means. A square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square sort of thing.
For me, the saddest part is most violent misogynists have more sex than I do, so many girls will allow themselves to be worn down and manipulated, so its crazy to me to see how INCEL went from describing me as a lonely heart to describing the guys I got rejected for. That doesn't make sense to me. So I appreciate someone setting the record straight.
I actually have plans to do a series of takes on misusing and redefining words, how that happens, and all the problems it causes. I'll try to include a link to Amanda's because I'm sure I couldn't have done that one any better!
But the short answer is, I don't know. I think they are pretending to go their own way when they don't really have one. They just didn't like someone else's, so now they are angry. I went to one of their forums to find people to talk to about my own life goals, building houses, saving old cars and bikes, how we need to work together to redesign our government... but it turned out it was mostly just angry men complaining about their ex's.
I felt they had entirely missed the point. Someone told me to focus on myself and my own goals, because that would attract meaningful relationships whereas prioritizing trying to produce one was just holding me back from my own success which in turn made me less attractive to people who wanted the sort of relationship I was looking for. Its not so much about money as it is about having an answer to the question "so what do you do?". If you don't have one, you probably won't find someone to say "gee that sounds really cool, I'd love to come check out the houses you are building and test out that movie projector!"
I think you’re mistaking Incel for Mgtow. Incel by definition are (typically young) guys who claim to hate women because women won’t give them a chance. Literally involuntary celibate. Most mgtow have been married or burned by women and/or the system and simply advocate for fathers rights, bettering yourself as a man and typically discourage state sanctioned partnerships.
This girl is probably a femcel herself lol. It's a double standard where if men don't like women, one of those reasons must me a lack of a woman in there lives, whereas for women no such narrative exist, even though reality is something else.
They talk about men and children too. Because most men have been mistreated and abused by women. Statistically women are the most abusive yet every typical domestic violence situation in the media shames men for it. there's too many examples like this to ignore the gynocentric propoga that the government imposes on us
you want to KNOW, YOU'RE capable of googling child abuse statistics. Procrastination is a sickness, youd really rather beg me to read it again and post it? FK NAW
Actually I think the word you are looking for misandry. Feminism is defined as the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.
@Still-alive assume what you must but know that when you do, you're really making an ass out of me and you. I don't care if people agree with me so you can be ignorant here or assertive. Choice is yours
@Subarugirl if that's really what you think... If I were you I'd stop thinking and go just go to bed😂🤣😂. I DEFINITELY don't need you thinking for me sweetheart
haha you're pathetic bro... i guess you missed that part in logic class or debate school where when you make a claim YOU provide the source. otherwise anyone can just make anything up without any evidence needed.
but you do you. we will just laugh at you as you desperately try to push your bullshit narrative here.
@Mofunfour20 if you have a dictionary you can look it up... I'm not thinking for you I am just telling you the definition of a word.. if you don't like it you can take it up with merriam-webster.
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fem·i·nism \ ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm noun Definition of feminism : belief in and advocacy of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes expressed especially through organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests
@Still-alive pathetic? I don't care weather you believe me or not. The information is already there. You believing me does nothing for me, we don't know each other
Because like it or not, women make up 50% of the population and have influence on things which effect their lives too. So of course they would need to discuss them at some point or other.
Typically these men have been burned so badly, that they have trauma they haven’t properly dealt with.
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Most of then have issues with things like feminism and the marriage institution but the media conflates them with misogyny because they are a threat to them. Whether they like it or not, both feminism and the marriage institution needs men to participate in order to continue their corruption.
A man going his own way is free to talk about whatever subject he chooses. If it's bitches, it's bitches. It might just as easily be talk of rebuilding old trucks. by the way - If that's really you in your profile picture, I would give you the dick.
Never could get into or care that much for the MgTOW philosophy. Its to falalistic with a hint of anti-natalism. Like another person said, it is better to be red-pilled.
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Because they blame women for their shitty life situation. There are very few genuinely successful MGTOW and zero accountability for why that is
@Aakash_Hangargi I don’t sell anything I’m a trainer on product knowledge and in-vehicle technology. Unless you found the photography business that I owned.
Hmm i remember last time you had told like you made a sakes pitch to women , and she wanted a guy to tell her about the car 🚗 even if he knew lesser than you but that past time may be 8 to 9 months back
@Aakash_Hangargi oh you are talking about when I worked as a service advisor and I was explaining to her what was wrong with her car and she wanted to hear it from a man
"How much they hate it" is your framing. But I'm sure plenty of alcoholics recognize and hate what it dose to their life. A love-hate thing, is well within the realm of reason. So any way you slice it, the analogy still applies.
Many men are, particularly young men. Many if not most men go through a stage like that. They pedestalize women to their detriment. The problem is a product of the times, the culture today exacerbates it into a more serious issue, it's women's attitudes, the attitudes around women, and technology. And it's not like men can just force women to be different, so they focus on their own mindset with a number of different approaches. One is MGTOW, it's principle is invest in yourself and don't draw your self-esteem from women. It's the "wait out the storm" approach.
I am going to have so much fun reading some of the comments.
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Because they want all the sex without the commitment and don't want to pay for it either
I could tell that much and I'm as near as damn it asexual
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After Google searching this is just men version of feminist, have nothing better to do than complain about the opposite sex which they never even contact with
Misandry is now synonym for feminism at least mgtow want to go there seprate way but feminists wan to make men as slaves the noble cause once there was is almost lost
Mgtow isn't good either i do understand that both are misguided hatred cults is what the current status.
Let's say talk to any girls who are aged from 14 to 20 their Understanding of feminism is quite different you will get to hear such hatred for men.
And i haven't seen any women arguing with passion against the misguided feminism even on any conversations here.
Either they say they support it or are completely repulsive but nobody gives a proper reason as in what is what and how to overcome it
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