Why do stupid old red pill men keeps lying to gen z stuff like 18-25 is biological peak to have kids?

[Anonymous]

No it's not. People who marry younger are more likely to divorce than after 25, after 25 the divorce rate goes down unless it's tool old age.

Married couples with huge age gap, the younger one always ends up being unhappy.

Old men tells younger millennials and younger men lies to be like them, it's the biggest lie ever told to young men is to be promiscuous and sleep around in their youth

[Effably]

You are arguing two different points.

Your argument is in terms of relationship stability. You might well be right.

Their argument is for the safest childbirth with the least complications. They were already proper, and factually wrong, bu calling it 18-25. The actual ideal age is, and I do not support it or consider it a good choice, 16. Not for the baby but for the woman to have the absolute best ability to recover.

I would typically suggest to at least get education and some travel in first. Which normally puts you ar 25 . But biology and sound decisionmaking for 2025 are not the same.

[genericname85]

cause it isn't a lie. it's litterally the biological truth. obviously the biology isn't the most relevant thing in most peoples life circumstance but it is true that before 18 and after 25 the risks for birth complications and birth defects are the lowest they ever will be in a womans life. like read any biology textbook you'll ever find. this isn't red pill bullshit. it's facts they use as a foundation to then build their red pill bullshit upon. that's the danger of any idiotic social movement. the fact that they have some core of truth to them.

[Asker]

there isn't complications or birth defects in 30s

[genericname85]

i just noticed you're 30-35. so you're butthurt. i see. well anyway the facts are depending on which study you read on this, the ages in which for example for trisomy 21 (down syndrome) start going up from base line (base line being age typically 20 or early 20s) is around 25-32 depending on which paper you read. and from there on it gets worse.

so if you wanna make the argument that the age where risk for birth defects become significant is slightly later than 25, then fair enough. depends on which study you read.

[Asker]

Not butt hurt. By I have friends, cousins relatives that have kids in their 30s (they have more than 1). even my mom have my younger sibling at 40(but I don't know about this but my sibling was healthy with no problem. My dad is 4 or 5 years younger than my mom though.

[Asker]

My grandma have many kids. and I have never heard of anyone having problems getting pregnant in their 30s but on social media, there are me. Who thinks that you can't get pregnant after 25, men don't even know anything

[genericname85]

tbh i'd reather you just be butthurt. that's understandable and relatable. what i can't relate with is not understanding the difference between anecdotal things you observe in your life and things that are statistically true on a HUGE scale compared with which your personal experience is completely irelevant. like i can't understand how someone can just not get into their head how extremely large the difference in quality of evidence is here. it's insane to me.

[Asker]

because any women my age can get pregnant and have healthy babies but men just like to lie. It's a lie and I am not butt hurt but would say something about it if you guys spread lies yea I have problems with it cause it's not even the truth

[genericname85]

I don't know what age you are. if you're just barely 30, then there's a good ammount of studies indicating that you're right allthough some say after 28 it starts becoming less ideal. but if you're 32 or older, you're definitely wrong here cause at that ages, there's basically no study that disagrees about the elevatet risks.

and i'm not saying you shouldn't have babies at that age. knowing there's elevated risk doesn't mean you're infertile. if you want a family, do it. but know the risk. don't say it's a lie just to justify having a baby. accept the risk and plan your life accordingly. that's what responsible adults do. not denying the risk out of personal butthurt or out of a lack of understanding for quality of evidence.

[genericname85]

and the risk isn't even elevated that much. it just means it's "not ideal". not being ideal is not a reason not to do it. it doesn't mean people saying it's less then ideal are wrong.

[Asker]

there are countries a high percentage of first time mom are over 35

[genericname85]

how does that fact have anything to do with what we've been talking about? can you help me understand the argument you're trying to make here?

[Asker]

35 is not a cut off. maybe it can be a point where risk began to slowly rise.
and also I don't know how they do study but
I think it has to do with america because over here people keeps saying it's dangerous to have kids after 35.
Well American women have more medical conditions
obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure
which raise risk

[Asker]

also 35 is a cut off because of lawsuits of stuff like that I am guessing in America

[genericname85]

did you even read what i said previously? i exactly said that it's "not a cut off". i said "it becomes less than ideal". and that's still true independend of what people choose to do. like you can get a child with 42 if you're still fertile then. but your risk of having a kid with down syndrome then is like 300% higher than if you had the kid at 28. that's the point. not saying you can't have a kid when you're older (allthough some women are already infertile in their 30s). you just have an elevated risk of birth defects and complications. so we're agreeing here. there's risks in life. some times it makes sense to take certain risks for a life that you want.

but having said all that: it still doesn't mean the initial statement of the risk being higher with higher age is still not a lie. it is true. so the red pill men you talked about were actually right about that.

[Asker]

same for men, they ages too.
My mom older sister can't have kids, I thought she can't have kids but later I found out it's her husband who can't have kids, she chose to stay with him.
It's not just women who is aging, men are aging too. both genders are going to age, and get old

[Asker]

Also sperm decline and also the birth defect at age 35 so why do men think it's ok for them to have kids if they are the one telling women there are risks if she is older. Then why do they think it's ok for them to take a risk like younger women to take a risk for them

[genericname85]

yeah that's true but while the risk for birth defects goes up to like 300% after 40. for men it goes up for like 80% for men in their 50s. so it's not at all comparable.

[Asker]

where do you get the percentage? also it doesn't matter to red pill men, if you start declining no matter the percentage. But I think at the end women are the one who has to carry the baby and feed them so they can choose too, like if they don't want men with high body counts or kids or old, the same thing men reject them for

[genericname85]

why ask me where i get my numbers from if the facts don't matter to you either way? it always needs 2 people to have a baby. you can't turn it in a way where that's not a fact. and if the woman is older, there's elevated risk for birth defects. that's all there is to it. so they are right. you may not like it but it is what it is.

[Asker]

when the men is older, there's birth defects too. and also it doesn't matter to red pill men if at age 26 the percentage are low so it doesn't really matter to them if the percentage are low or high since it's only 18-25.
and also women can choose who they want too

[genericname85]

yes but i'm repeating myself here: the increase in risk of birth defects that men experience is WAY lower compared to women. the difference is: women will be sterile somewhere between 30 and 45. men don't have that. and all that is not to say "people shouldn't have children". just stating facts.

[Asker]

best biological age gap , lowest overall risk, is woman 25–35 with man 25–35

[genericname85]

Yeah that would probably be optimal.

[genericname85]

Although more optional would be woman between 20 and 32 and men between 20 and 40. That's more biologically accurate.

[Berethor]

At 30 women become old, their fertility start to decline. Virgins are less likely to divorce.

https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/health/conditionsandtreatments/age-and-fertility

[Asker]

So men sperms ages too. I find men older than me look older than me

[AngryCarl2]

Because it's true. Biological peak means just that. It doesn't mean it's financially or socially convenient, it means you have the maximum chance of having healthy kids.

[Asker]

Then men too. Their sperms decline and increase risk of birth defects with age.
so red pill men should be having kids at 18-25 or don't have kids at all. Why do they think it's ok for other people to risk for them when they tell women it's risky to have kids at old age? They shouldn't be putting babies in other people womb if they are a certain age

[AngryCarl2]

It's true that men's sperm quality starts to decline around age 40... while women start to become less fertile around age 37.

[Anonymous]

Because men want to have a family with young, beautiful fertile woman, not an old dried up one that been with other guys.

[Asker]

just because men want, we have to fulfill it?

[RedInnocent69]

From a physical perspective is different from a relationship/sustainability perspective

[Asker]

what do you mean?

[RedInnocent69]

Thantheyre not lying, butbthat doesn’t mean you’re wrong either

[Asker]

Not lying about what

[RedInnocent69]

That 18-25 is the biological peak to have kids

[NoDecision]

WTF are you on?

[Asker]

nothing

[Mike_Whocheese_Harry]

um. yeah it is. Biology, cupcake.

[Asker]

but it's the women who carry the baby, the man just have to nuts while the women have to carry both their child, feed them so why men even think they are the only one that can choose

[jahaims]

Do you not know what biologically means?

[Asker]

men can say whatever they want
but women carry the baby, it's their body