Does a salad based diet cause fat/muscle loss?

[peace-love-couture]

Say for instance, I eat a veggie salad for breakfast, lunch and dinner, for about a month, would that cause fat and muscle loss?

Salad would be spinach and/or kale based with cucumbers, tomatoes, alfalfa sprouts, carrots and maybe a little cheese while it's drizzled with extra virgin olive oil and maybe some raisins, grapes or mandarins.

[rachiee]

Eh its definitely not the healthiest choice and is pretty dangerous. You're consuming almost no carbs and no protein. Your body is going to be weak especially with the lack of calorie intake. Your teeth,hair, skin will all be affected. You'll lose muscle a lot quicker than fat since you are not consuming much protein. Your body needs protein so it will more than likely resort to getting that protein from existing muscles you already have but its possible to say which muscles. Pretty much you'll be worn down if you do this diet. You'll have almost no energy either. Pick a more healthier diet. Even if you just switch up the salad toppings to ones that can help provide what your body needs better and add a good portion of meat like chicken of fish to it then that's a whole lot better. You'll still get results, you just won't be taking extreme measures and putting your body through hell.

[peace-love-couture]

I'll add tuna, salmon, anchovies or sardines

[kmhco]

Thats not healthy. At the very least you could put some protein in the salads like grilled chicken or something. Eating only salads without much protein or anything else can cause major damage to your body.

[kheserthorpe]

I'd be a little worried about how you'd do on that diet. People think I'm nuts because I've used sub 1k diets at 6'3, but you'd be like ... sub 500, all of them from fat and sugar.

You'd be in ketosis with that low a carb intake I'd guess?, so your body would have to consume muscle to provide the protein to support that. But who the hell knows where from/which muscle it would hit? Could be legs, could be heart.

If you want it that bad, get up 2 hours earlier and jog for 2 hours a day. I don't think _anything_ other then training like a marathon runner is going to trigger what you need. That should (as well as using a lot of calories) send the hormonal signal to your body to get as lean/low metabolism/light as possible.

I won't mention what I think of the cosmetic impact because you know.

[peace-love-couture]

Well, the point of this whole diet is to not exercise and I haven't been exercising for the past 2 weeks or so...so, it all turns flabby and then I'll burn the fat off.

I also don't feel like wasting my life jogging for 2 hours and I'm certainly not going to inconvenience my life with waking up earlier for school.

Also, my goal is thin legs and thighs. I have no fat on them, nothing that jiggles, so surgery isn't an option.

Ideal legs

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[WeaponZero]

If your frame was capable of having legs that thin without venturing into an area that is just plain unhealthy, you would already have them based on the diet and workout plan you've been following for the past year. You stopped sprinting and switched to jogging already a long time ago, right?

There's nothing you can do from here out on that will guarantee the results you want if your body wasn't designed to have legs that thin.

[peace-love-couture]

I feel like I get different responses from users depending on what they prefer. The pro fatasses tell me one thing but the ones who don't mind thin tell me another.

If health was my concern do you think I'd resort to a salad based diet? I think not

[WeaponZero]

So you are really willing to put your health on the line just to try to achieve a specific look?

[peace-love-couture]

A salad diet isn't gonna kill me, so sure

[kheserthorpe]

You would eventually die on a salad only diet, no question. I'm assuming you won't get to that point.

There is no mechanism by which muscle turns directly into fat.

I'm not sure who the 'pro fatasses' are. On the spectrum of guys who like thin-vs-thick, I actually fall at the thin end. But beyond that, you have to work with your frame. I couldn't see your link but did find this pick of sophie monk btw: link

[kheserthorpe]

Look, what is desireable, that's up to you. Do I think you should worry about it? No. But those are minor points.

If you're going to do it, suck it up and spend the time, rather then risking your health.

[peace-love-couture]

Right, choosing the worst photo of someone isn't biased at all

And most people on this site are f***ing hypocrites. They're the first f***ing individuals to promote either being fat or being thin, yet asking questions on how to go from muscular to thin is like a huge no-no. People avoid the question and automatically scream unhealthy.

Where's this f***ing health concern when fat girls are posting pics on here and everyone is consoling them?

[peace-love-couture]

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Let's not act like biased retards who post the most extreme pictures either

[kheserthorpe]

I tell fat girls to lose weight all the time. Multiple times/day.

Losing muscle isn't something very many people need to - certainly not for health reasons, rarely for aesthetic reasons, rarely for competitive reasons. I have passed you articles before aimed at weight-class based athletes trying to lose muscle. But there's not much research on how to do it because its such a rare goal.

[kheserthorpe]

BTW, you probably should be adding vitamins to what you're taking, maybe calcium and possibly electrolytes.

[peace-love-couture]

Ok, well, this question isn't even about me. It was about salads and whether or not they cause fat/muscle loss.

Regardless of what my goals may be, people should answer instead of giving their preferences.

[peace-love-couture]

And I take multivitamins and iron because I'm prone to anemia

[kheserthorpe]

Been trying, and I really am trying to hold back on opinions.

Just did more searching for stuff, and the only new stuff I found said 'Run'. Actually, said run in all caps 12 times.

Incidentally I'd guess the 'squishy muscle' feeling is not them turning to fat, its the feeling of muscles depleted of glycogen. This happens on any low carb diet.

[peace-love-couture]

Yeah, I'm not running. But thanks

[WeaponZero]

Any diet that is low in protein and rich in slow-digesting carbohydrates (which most non-starchy vegetables fall under) will promote both fat and muscle loss when combined with inactivity. There three two problems here:

1. When limiting yourself to these types of foods exclusively you won't be able to maintain sufficient calorie intake to keep your bodily functions going.

2. With that little protein intake the muscle loss will go faster than the fat loss.

3. Without a sufficient amount of healthy fat intake (which it doesn't sound like you'll get by doing that) your body won't be able to produce the oils needed to preserve your skin and hair.

[peace-love-couture]

Muscle loss is the point, so question answered.

[WeaponZero]

As kheserthorpe said you don't control where the muscle loss will come from. It could come from vital organs, which are muscle.

There is no truly "safe" way to deliberately lose muscle mass, unless you already have an overabundance of it. Unless you're at the leve of an elite athlete/bodybuilder or something else along those lines, it's just not something you can do SAFELY. And honestly I would not trust advice from anyone who would knowingly advise you on HOW to do it given that is

[WeaponZero]

potentially dangerous.

[WeaponZero]

Anyone qualified to tell you how will also understand the danger involved.

[peace-love-couture]

There's danger involved in everything nowadays. There's also danger in being overweight yet I don't see that from stopping overweight people from going around supporting the fat acceptance movement.

[WeaponZero]

There's danger there, too. But the dangers of being malnourished are far more severe than the dangers of being mildly overweight. You keep speaking as if extremely thin and overweight are the only two options. As if there was nothing in between, you're either one or the other. Is that really how you see it?

[peace-love-couture]

No, that's not how I see it. But I know what I want for my body and I don't understand the criticism and attacking of my goals cause I don't see anyone saying sh*t when fat chicks want assurance and thin chicks want reassurance. People compliment them. But why is it turned around when someone has a goal of being thin? It's all of a sudden "unhealthy" It's all of a sudden "unattractive" (because clearly NO thin girl ever has a boyfriend or gets male attention).

[WeaponZero]

Okay well let's start with the basics then. Name a celebrity who, in your opinion, shares your basic frame structure/build. You keep posting questions about "what you want to look like" but without anyone having an idea of what you are realistically capable of given your frame structure, how can anyone TRULY answer these questions?

[WeaponZero]

We need to know where we're starting before we know where we can realistically end up.

[WeaponZero]

We need to know where we're starting before we know where we can realistically end up. Not every body type is capable of attaining the build you so desire. In fact a very small portion of the population are. Why don't you show us what we have to work with by showing us a like-bodied celebrity so that we can know whether or not your goals are even realistic?

[peace-love-couture]

Because this question has little to do with my appearance and more to do with, I don't know, whether or not salad causes muscle and/or fat loss.

Whether I post a pic or not, I realize most of you are strongly against my goals and none of y'all are going to give genuine advice because y'all are stuck in your ways and preferences. I've learned that through here. I'm not stupid enough to not know how people on here work.

[WeaponZero]

This queston, as well as most questions you've asked, have everything to do with your appearance because everything you've been asking for is under the assumption that it's something you CAN do, that your goal is realistic. If that assumption is false, which is a strong possibility, then all you'll end up doing is becoming an example to other girls of why you shouldn't do this.

[WeaponZero]

At the very least, check your wrist measurement. It will give you an indicator as to your frame size, which will tell you without a doubt whether or not your goal is realistic.

Of course, even if the measurement and the science behind this whole deal tells you it isn't, you'll still kill yourself trying, won't you?

[peace-love-couture]

And only about 2 users surprisingly know whether or not my goal is realistic or not...so, when I do get actual answers, it's quite refreshing and delightful

And yes, I'm sure in the course of a month or two I'll end up dead because of a freaking salad diet. Right.

[WeaponZero]

There's a simple check you can do to check your frame type based on your wrist size. Are you at least willing to do that?

[peace-love-couture]

why does it matter what my frame is? remember, in your mind I'm only killing myself, so it's a done deal. I'll "kill" myself and you can go make overweight people feel better about being healthy

[WeaponZero]

And what makes you think I make overweight people feel better about being healthy? I'll tell them the same thing too for their end of the spectrum. There you go, assuming that because I'm not one, I'm the other. Is it such a stretch to imagine that someone might not be on one extreme end of the spectrum?

[peace-love-couture]

I don't even know what you're talking about anymore.

Look, I don't care about y'alls preferences on here and I don't care if y'all think it's stupid to lose muscle and I don't care if y'all think I'm gonna look like a holocaust survivor just because I eat some damn vegetables. Maybe this is Americas problem. Trying to justify veggies being unhealthy while being surrounded by McDonalds and every other fat acceptance movement approved "restaurants"

[WeaponZero]

Where do you get that we're saying veggies are unhealthy or that we're advocating McDonald's. You're going with extremes here.

Because we say eating nothing but salads that contain only a fraction of what you need to survive, you interpret that as saying veggies are unhealthy.

Because we say so thin you have to possibly let crucial organs waste away to get there is bad, you're assuming we're advocating obesity.

[WeaponZero]

You see how you're twisting our words around? Why don't you try reading what we're saying without drawing some extreme conclusions from it? Take it at face value and not make assumptions. As I said anyone qualified to give advice here will be more concerned about health than appearance and if you have to deliberately destroy muscle as well as damage internal organs to get there, there's a problem with your body image.

[peace-love-couture]

ohmygoshohmygoshohmygosh

Because even when I don't suggest diets like this, I get hell for even wanting to lose weight, which is why I never mention my weight or height anymore. I realize thinking I'm fat offends people, considering I'm at a better weight than most, so I don't mention it. But when I ask questions about losing weight or muscle, all I get are preferences and answers that are obviously biased

[WeaponZero]

Well I'm not speaking from preferences, I'm speaking from a health perspective. I've lost 118 lbs going from obese to fit and in the process of doing so I've made it a point to learn a LOT about this sort of thing, studying about how it all works.

[WeaponZero]

And one of the very first things that I learned was what constitutes realistic goals based on my frame structure. Using the wrist measurement method my doctor calculated that due to my frame size my ideal weight puts me me at what is still approximately 25 lbs above what would be average for my height. And he set a weight goal for me based on that.

[peace-love-couture]

Ok well, I'm OK with a salad diet, my mom is OK with it, my dad is OK with it and my friends are supportive, so I'm going to do it.

If I die, whatever (sarcasm, cause I'll totally die). I'll reach my goals and be happy

[martyfellow]

Youd lose fat and muscle both, probably, but the proportions would depend totally on how much you are working out while eating that. Certanly you can get all the nutriton, vtamns, and proten you need with the right ingredients and the salad, wth a little cheese trhown in.

[palek]

Your musclewill be fine but you stools will be puny and putrid.

[peace-love-couture]

LOL

[palek]

; - )