It seems to me that people have really lost track of what the POINT of marriage is. It's not SUPPOSED to provide "benefits" to either a man OR a woman. It may well do that, but that's not the POINT. The point of marriage is to provide the best, most stable environment possible for RAISING KIDS.
That's the point of marriage.
My advice to anyone would be this: if you're planning on having kids in the near future--GET MARRIED FIRST. Also, if you're NOT planning on having kids anytime soon, DON'T GET MARRIED.
Absolutely nothing, it only benefits a woman, she can marry then go and sleep with other men, then find someone divorce the guy and take everything , and he if left with nothing , and she is getting half of everything he owned and his paycheck, and she is happy with another guy she was cheating on you with.
men gain from marriage. women lose in marriage. that explains why 2/3s of all divorces are initiated by women. Studies has also shown that while married men lived longer lives than single men. Married women did not live longer lives than single women. Additionally, further studies shown that single , childless women were the happiest
you got yourself a free maid, free chef, free nanny, full time teacher at home so you can enjoy children while never having ever to lift a finger. she washes your underwear for you so you can focus on your career so you can earn more money.
thats why men gain in marriage while women lose in marriage.
she had to give up her career to make your dreams of having kids come true
While women get a slave working everyday to provide money, food, clothing and shelter for them while she can comfortably sit home doing chores.
Also married men live longer than single men. But do married men still live longer than single men if you exclude divorced men (the one with a 9-10 times higher suicide rate than non divorced single men) ?
[Also married men live longer than single men. But do married men still live longer than single men if you exclude divorced men (the one with a 9-10 times higher suicide rate than non divorced single men) ?]
why should a woman marry a man to help him live longer but she dies earlier?
Yet you don't realize that majority of the time, it is women who demands for marriage and it is men who avoids marriage. Because all of the risk and cons outweigh the benefits. You cannot even explain how men actually live longer when married and even if that were true then life has no meaning if you are just trapped.
Men on GAG are not in favor of the laws and family court regarding custody and child support. To guarantee they retain custody, men could do what attorney Authur Liu did. All five of his children were born to an anonymous egg donor and surrogate mother including Alysa Liu.
Why should we have to go through this shit because of American women's greed and corrupt courts? it is easier to marry a woman from a foreign country and leave this shithole forever.
@Tracker1958 Women will not sell their eggs that cheap and, even if some would, if I was a guy or a couple, I would want the best. One couple offered $50,000 for an egg from a tall smart girl. www.nytimes.com/.../...o-tall-smart-egg-donor.html
That was a very specific requirement. Nevertheless, offering $5,000 to $10,000 for an egg from a beautiful, smart, athletic girl would be reasonable. Since the top stud are $300,000, certainly some couples would pay that much or more for an egg from a beautiful, smart, Olympic or elite college athlete such as Alysa Liu, Yuna Kim, or Paige Bueckers.
Most men and couples can't afford to pay that much. However, there are beautiful and very talented 18 year old girls waiting on tables while they are trying to get accepted as a prima ballerina. Since they need the money, they should be willing to an egg for $5,000.
@Tracker1958 Women's eggs are just like stud fees. The market is flooded with stud horses. For most, the cost is less than $100 and many are free but their colts never win races. Some women may sell eggs for $100 and a few may even give their eggs away. And, if a guy is satisfied with a dumb fat slop for a son or daughter, that is what they will get. However, if they want the best, they must pay and price for the best will be $1 million dollars.
Don't over estimate your value. Your not the only one with eggs. Sperm could cost women that much. Like you said, race horses sperm can be expensive but you never hear of race horse eggs being sold.
@Tracker1958 Women's eggs are at least100 times more expensive than sperm. Therefore, if the best egg sell for $1 million dollars the best sperm may sell for $10,000. At my age, I'm not in the market for sperm. However, when I'm older I would pay $10,000 to marry the best.
You are aware though that the draft basically isn’t even a thing, and women also serve right? I don’t know any men giving birth. You have fat, lazy, entitled men who want a trad wife that does all the housework but also has a full time job and manages the kids-but it doesn’t work like that. Foreign women may marry you, but just until she gets her citizenship stabilized. Your bitterness is a disease that is rotting your soul. If you were ambitious, hygienic, confident and moral; you would easily find and catch the kind of women you look for. You don’t even have to be that attractive so long as you’re not obese. But working on yourself is too difficult so you’d rather blame all women for the reason you can’t get them; when really it’s just the women you’re generalizing who are the only kind you can get. Humble yourself and settle, or else work harder. Making excuses will get you nowhere.
@tiajoka PART 1: @tiajoka I have a few things to add. First as far as the draft goes you are aware guys are still required by law or else to sign up for selective services with a just in case attached to it right? Also women assume those of us out here are somehow rejects for refusing to get married. You haven't done your homework obviously. I will list those that others have compared me to and let you decide for yourself but to start with. I am 6ft 4inch average weight 179lbs on average full head dark wavy hair. As far as names that I have been referred to looking like. Some have said I looked like Richard Gere and at least one told me he thought I looked like Leonard Nimoy not far off from Richard Gere. While I don't like being compared to actors and I don't either but at least that should give you some idea. I don't drink haven't taken any illegal drugs none of that.
@tiajoka PART 2: Now that you have an idea. I'm not a MGTOW so to speak because I'm not trying to go my way I am going the way I was expected to God's way, I have a Lord and Savior and his name is Jesus Christ.
As far as MGTOW goes I have heard what they have to say their testimony of treatment and there is nothing that I can disagree with or not much anyway. And I was way ahead of MGTOW I would be considered a monk leaving behind the idea of dating and marriage at age 20-21. I saw the writing on the wall way back then. I got first hand examples from the last two I had a relationship with that turned me away back then. I had a total of two intiment relationships and regretted both. They were both messed up with feminist ideas way back then. Since I put the idea of dating and marriage behind me I have had offers alright. I have had females come sit on the edge of my bed when they roomed at my house, I had one chase me in a club and talked me into going to her house, I had one sit on my steps with her puppy popping out she couldn't even keep them in long enough to have a conversation, and there were more and I refused every single one of their advances I refused all of their seducing and I got the you must be gay response too believe it.
@tiajoka PART 3: I would describe myself as a normal person who wanted and still does want Godly things and Godly ways and I wanted children even more than marriage itself but I have been forbidden from even going near any much less adopting due to feminist propaganda unjust societal view male hatred anti male laws and male hatred. Before the lie hit in 2019 I had planed on moving to Russia even begin learning their language in order to move there to at least have somewhat of a attempt and live out somewhat of a normal life before the scam begin.
As it stands now and I know I'm not alone I have given up on the idea of a normal life because there is nothing left to envision of one and the hour is getting late Prophetically speaking Isaiah 13:12 is where it's at and Revelation 18 is where it's headed now aka New Babylon.
To sum it up yes feminism came a along way and it was too bad it was the wrong way to go.
@Tracker1958 That sounds like the laws and family courts are highly biased in favor of women over men. The laws and family courts would change and be far more favorable for men and much less biased in favor of women if a substantial number of young men refused to get married and/or have children. However, that is not going to happen. Therefore, nothing will change.
Of course, plenty of older divorced men will complain and say they will not get married. However, they are already paying and will continue to pay much of their income to women. Therefore, what they say or do doesn't matter because that will not change anything. Furthermore, young men will continue to marry because they either don’t know or don't care what happened to older divorced men. That is because; when they meet a young woman she seems so nice and desirable. Therefore, what is happening to many older and divorced men will never happen to them. That will not change because hormones trumps the limited intelligence of young men.
Therefore, they will always take money away from men and give it to women. This is how women keep saying that they don't need a man because they have daddy government to support you. The government will always make sure that men come out on the short end of the deal. This goes to prove that women doesn't care about their sons, brothers or any male family members. Anything you can do to a man another woman car do to the son you claim you care about. I'm not going to say you love your sons because we know that's not true.
@Tracker1958 Women may not care for their stepchildren but they care for sons. However, based on the comments I read on GAG, I believe most women will not make the connection to see that what happens to men, may also happen to their sons until after their sons are adults and it actually does happen. Then it is too late so nothing will change.
@Tracker1958 Whether human females or birds, cuckoldry is the fate of males the animal kingdom over. www.nytimes.com/.../...-sexes-the-females-win.html However, that is nature so that is how it is supposed to be.
@msc545 If you don't return to the USA. However, what do you think happens if you marry a girl in a foreign country and bring her back to the USA? Do you believe the American women she meets will not be instructing her how to be a proper USA wife?
Renting a woman is a lot cheaper than marrying a woman. Rented women never say no to sex plus you can choose a different woman every time. You never have to feed, clothes, houses, take no vacation, put her on your health insurance, and best of all, keep her happy. Rented women never cheat and take half of you stuff. She will after you for child support. The benefits of renting compared to marriage is a no brainer.
@msc545. None worth a man risking his whole life for. What you are not understanding is, the so called good women today can be the demon from hell tomorrow. The government and state will help her do it. That's all you need to understand.
Poor woman. I feel sorry for her why don't you let her go find a real man. I see your comments on GAG. Saying nobody should give advice without being married for 40 some years. You talk out of both sides of your mouth and most people aren't listening.
@cheetocandle they wouldn’t want to pick the right woman, because that would require working on themselves to be the kind of man that woman would want. It’s much easier to play the victim, like a green haired feminist crying about how awful all men are. It’s two sides of the same coin.
@cheetocandle People *are* listening. They're listening to the degree that marriage rates in every industrialized country are in the tanks, because men are weighing their risk-vs.-reward options and deciding that marriage isn't worth the potential harm. You can think that you're great all you want to, but if men aren't interested, then marriage isn't going to happen.
And more worrying to me: you're showing who you are after being pressed here. Some telltale signs:
1) "Real man" is coded shaming language, meant to manipulate men into doing what a woman wants. It's a trait of a potential abuser, so there's one warning sign about you.
2) I made a response to you about what you can do as a woman to lessen a man's concerns about a nasty divorce. You did not respond, which gives the impression that you wouldn't be willing to support those proposals. Sounds like you want to have the option of being punitive in a divorce. That's two signs of being a potential abuser.
3) I asked you if you blame women for choosing bad partners in the same way that you blame men for making bad choices. You did not respond, which is a default "no, I don't fault women" answer. This is a sign that you blame men for relationships failing, not women. Everything is a man's fault, all the time. Refusing to accept responsibility for one's own volition is another sign of an abusive person.
@cheetocandle the so called right women can turn into a demon over night. All depends on what time of the month and how many women are telling her how unappreciated she is. Women mutil A so called good women ( which doesn't exist) can trun into a demon over night. She can go to bed telling you she love you and wake up wanting a divorce. There's only one sure way for a man to feel safe in a relationship, don't be in one. Use her for what she was made for and then send her to her next customer.
@tiajoka what this means is that women are totally loosening control of men. Men are no longer putting women on a pedestals or making women their queens. Women have lost all their power over men these days. Men are no longer coming to the rescue of women.
Depends on the woman. My boyfriend and I are waiting ourselves, and have already both hinted at wanting to be married in a year of dating. For him I’m working on losing weight, while he’s begun working on getting a better career to support a family. It’s a compromise where we work together and don’t play games to try and “win” anything against each other. Your mindset is immature, and you’ll never be in a happy relationship if it’s how you think and view men and women as a whole. Sure there are men and women like that, but they aren’t all of them. As I said, if you want a good quality woman; you’ll have to work on yourself to get that. Better hygiene, confidence, ambition, reevaluating priorities, being fiscally responsible, taking initiative as a man to go after what you want. A lot of dating is the chase, a man proving himself to a woman he desires by doing everything he can to show the kind of man he is, or wants to be for her. While marriage is more about the woman working to keep the man, encouraging him, respecting and appreciating him and working hard being a mother and a wife. In both phases both still work hard and it needs a joint effort regardless, there’s a lot of nuance. But it’s a fuzzy bottom line to follow. While saying she’ll put extra work in his appearance. While married he’ll work hard at work at let her feel appreciated as well. Too many bitter men and women want something they hate, which is wacky to me. You know not all women are like the minority that you’re using to generalize all of them, so grow up. I’m not attacking all men just because I’ve been hurt by them before plenty of times and worse than what most women subject men to. I understand that’s just my own bad luck and willful ignorance to have chosen bad partners in the past. But go ahead and stay sour, see where it gets you.
That’s not true at all. Lots of men will still put women on pedestal’s. I’m sorry someone took advantage of you when you did that with her, but you shouldn’t throw it away. Just be aware of red flags. It’s good for men to idealize women. It’s why the “wage gap” exists. They work harder to try and live up to what they view them as. The issue is when women lack humility to understand that what he has is frivolous and will fade, though love will not. So she abuses him until he’s all used up. But some men do this as well, that’s why that type like to go after underage giros so much. A 16 year old will idealize and adult man in a way that a grown woman never would, and he takes advantage of her and abuses her. Stop generalizing everyone off of tradgities. I’m sorry you were a victim, it sucks! But you’re not special in this, and focusing on it will only let the negative experience continue to hold you
@cheetocandle he’s not responding to anything i say because he knows it’s true and can’t refute. Acting like 35 means he’s mature. That’s crazy. You don’t prove you’re intelligent and mature by, saying, “I’m older so I know more” you prove it. Otherwise you’re proving the opposite with your hollow words.
@tiajoka You can work on yourself, put in the effort, and be a good person, but many supposedly decent women still will not want you. After a while, you stop trying. I have run into this problem for my whole adult life.
I don't womanize. Am good with kids, pets, and elderly people. Am a virgin at 31 despite multiple offers. Frugal. Donate most of my breeding work. Give advice to people in life crises. Visit the lonely old widower to check on him when his kids won't. Don't abuse substances. Don't drink. Am not sex obsessed. Have zero criminal record. Never hit anybody. Weigh less than the average US woman. Barely play videogames. Read and study regularly. Am realistic about what type of woman is in my "league". Strictly monogamous.
And, yet, I am still single. Ghosted constantly. Almost exclusively attract predatory women who see my "soft" eyes and generosity, and mark me as a sucker (single mothers, abusers, women who want to get married and then quit working). Or, married women who want an affair.
You're in the prime years of your life as a woman, so this may be difficult for you to believe: but there are millions upon millions of men who are doing their best to be what women claim to want, and yet we're invisible to them, at least until their options dry up. Can you not empathize with why some of us would be more than a little upset about the prospects of dealing with women further and then - any time we dare to protest - being told "Step up! Do better, bro!"?
@tiajoka He already deleted one of my comments because he couldn't handle it. How could he handle a a relationship and take care of a family. Scared little boys on the internet who talk tough. I am over it. Then you have grandpa who keeps saying the same shit over and over misspelling every word he types lol
@AnUglyBarnacle look at church. There’s a horde of women just looking for a decent women desperate for a moral, Christian husband. I assume that’s why you’ve been waiting for marriage? You also have to be confident, as I said. Take initiative. A woman will hardly ever crawl into your lap. If you’re looking for a good kind of woman, most the time you have to go out and find her. Be kind, friendly, ask her on a date. Especially women who are in your age range now of 25-35, they’ll be happy to have a man like you. Don’t look for liberal women who wouldn’t appreciate. Basically all I had to know about my boyfriend is that we have good conversational flow, and that he is actually Christian, conservative, and willing to be abstinent (he’s even a virgin) and I basically am ready to marry him. Ofc there’s areas that he’s a bit immature, but that’s true for me too! You just need to find a woman who is self aware, not shallow, and knows what she’s looking for. But you need to also not be shallow. Don’t only go after top 10% of women. I’m a chubby six and my boyfriend is probably more like a four physically (altho I find him hot af, but that’s just what happens when I fall for somebody), but I don’t care about that. If anything it makes him adore me a lot more in a way I feel I don’t deserve. And he feels very out of reach to me in ways where I put him on a pedestal. It’s a balance of things. Be self aware and humble yourself. If you make 70k a year and are a five, don’t go after 8 women who make more than you. Maybe even settle for a girl less attractive, because it will make her appreciate you even more and be an even lovelier wife. Definitely go for a woman who is dumber or equally intelligent than you though. Nothing is really more toxic than a relationship where a woman is significantly more intelligent than the man.
@cheetocandle some guys want a perfect mix of modern and traditional wife and don’t realize their ideal doesn’t actually exist, at least not for them. Because that kind of woman would be in a one sided relationship if she sacrifices everything for only his convenience while he gives nothing in return. These men don’t view women as people.
@tiajoka words have no meaning to women. They just change the meaning to over a hundred words to suit the meaning to women. Talking to women is the same as talking to a pet. It goes over there head.
@tiajoka They view women as objects that they are afraid of losing everything too. I know so many great men who don't talk this way or act like this. Thank the Lord for them.
@cheetocandle My God... You just keep getting worse and telling on yourself.
4) aggressive, arrogant, and antagonistic. That's FOUR abusive personality traits in sum.
What a keeper! I'm sure you wouldn't be vindictive at all in a divorce. I'm super glad that there isn't a massive, unfair law bureaucracy that you could use to screw over your ex and ruin his life for daring to try and leave an abuser! /s
Yup. Men are just living in irrational fear for not be willing to approach women for marriage! No basis for it whatsoever! /s
@cheetocandle I haven't lost anything to a woman. But I can see what a evil woman can do to a good man. We are not fighting for the bad men out there, we think those men should pay out the noise. We are fighting for the man that has been a faithful husband and a good father to the kids and he still get rape in the court system. Until the laws get changed, this is what women will get. Women will have to be the ones that get together and get the laws changes because women run the world. Everything is set up to protect you strong and independent women. You may disagree and you can do nothing but it's only going to get worse until it changes
Have you not seen what an evil man does to a good woman? You’re full of yourself to think that men are the only ones who can be good and never evil. Women are protected? That’s really not as true as you’ve been propagated to believe. Shit sucks for men and women, stop crying about it and get over yourself.
By your logic, then you're obsessed with the elder dude whom you've been having an argument with on this post now for 2 days...
Narcissistic too, huh? That's #5. Someone calls you out for being a terrible person, and you think they want to bang you. All you had to do was de-escalate the ranting on here, but you couldn't help yourself. An observer reads you like a book, but you selectively ignore them, instead picking on someone who clearly has had bad experiences and is speaking out of deep frustration and hurt.
Nope. Sorry. Don't want to bang you. Just giving you the verbal spanking that you need. Apparently that turns you on.
Doesn't AOC say something along these lines whenever someone criticizes her?
@AnUglyBarnacle Are you speaking out of frustration and hurt when you call me a terrible person? Seems childish. So let's try this again and see if you know how to treat a lady. I am not interested in speaking with you. Thank you.
@tiajoka make the law equal, if she cheats, he gets everything including the kids. If he cheats, she gets everything. And shut the f up. Remember, men care as much about women as women care about men. So take a step back and think about the life your sons will have to deal with in life. I know you women for the most part don't give a flying F about your boys. Remember the women that killed her 3 sons? This is the kind of love a man can expect from a woman.
@cheetocandle Oh no, a man who has no intentions of marrying a woman and doesn’t respect them as people thinks you’ll never get married. His opinion is really valuable on this subject yknow.
@tiajoka that's okay. You can believe what make you feel better. I know what men from all over the country are saying about marriage. It may do you girls some good to get out of you little bubble and find out what men are really saying about women and marriage. You do you and stay in the dark. If you want, I can give some places to look. Start out with. JUSTPEARLYTHINGS. she on youtube and Instagram.
@tiajoka I give people the advice of looking in a church if they want a more old-fashioned arrangement. That is generally a better place to find someone, yes.
I spent a year at a Christian University and most of my life in church. Women there are not fundamentally different from women in the mainstream. They simply tend to have more restraint, better values, and more community accountability. Many, many posers and "reformed" girls too. (Seen plenty of men who do this. Pastoral majors were the scummiest in college.)
You seem nice, so I'm not trying to be snappy. But here again: marriage and commitment is not what men are scared of. It's the divorce and aftermath. My own mother is the super Christian type, God-loving, blah blah blah, and even she knows that she can punish Dad if he does something wrong. Quote: "If you decide that you don't want to be married to me anymore, (name), then tell me, and we'll go separate ways amicably. But if you cheat on me, then I'll take you to the cleaners." These were her own words, straight from her own mouth to me. Now, should she cheat on *him*, can Father punish Mother in the same manner? No. She knows this, and even admitted that the family courts are not fair to men.
The fact that your potential fiancé sounds like he would be the primary breadwinner means that you will be able to profit the most in a divorce, should one happen. Absolutely so if the two of you have kids.
I made a list of 6 points in response to a "lady" hanging around this question post, mentioning what a woman can do before tying the knot if she wants to lessen a man's concerns about divorce disaster (you'll have to poke around here for the list). Would you agree to these with your boyfriend?
@AnUglyBarnacle if you’re going into marriage worried about divorce, then I agree you shouldn’t get married. That should only ever be on the table for cases of abuse and infidelity
@tiajoka Ma'am, I say this respectfully: if you're unwilling to agree to those simple conditions, then you are part of the problem. People change. If you're a Christian, then you know that humans stumble, fall, and sometimes outright turn evil. Lucifer was not always Satan. Judas Iscariot was not always a traitor. A wise person avoids Sin rather than trying to test themselves against it. We must protect ourselves, and loving someone means ensuring their safety, even from you or me.
I plant crops every year, excited and hoping for the best. Can't wait to get into it. Can't wait to see my babies grow and thrive. But crop failures are common and always possible. For this reason, I need insurance. Not because I *want* to see crops fail or hope for it but because I must armor myself against the unexpected. I must have some money available to pay my bills, lest I lose my equipment and possibly even my land. If nobody wanted to take the risk to grow the plants (or the livestock), then everybody would starve. If farmers had no way to protect themselves, then many would stop farming.
Marriage is no different. And if you're not willing to ensure your potential husband's protection, then you do not love him.
@AnUglyBarnacle huh? I said I don’t believe in divorce unless the contract of marriage is broken. If a man beats his wife or a woman cheats on her husband, that person has already divorced the other person by disregarding the contract that binds them. Yes people fall, but consequences exist and god believes in justice. Spare the rod spoil the child.
@Tracker1958 There is some truth in this. Wherever decent (and somewhat naïve) people go to congregate, there will always be opportunity seekers and predators.
At my "Christian" university, women were explicitly warned about the pastoral majors during girls' group orientation in the dorms. This was because many were hoping to come to the school and find someone to marry. Naturally, they assumed that the pastor guys were solid choices. Lots of scummy dudes were there to prey on the women.
@tiajoka When you marry, you are not following God's law only. You must also live in the World system's law. You will register with the State and receive a secular marriage license and registration. Should you divorce, you will not go before a Church official to dissolve the marriage; rather, you will deal with a secular authority making decisions based on secular law (which I maintain is grossly unfair to ex-husbands and fathers at the moment). God will have nothing to do with this situation.
Should either you or your future husband fall (maybe he cheats on you; maybe you leave him for one of your past boyfriends), then you may seek to use Man's system in retribution. This is what I mean when advocating for protecting yourself and your husband.
@AnUglyBarnacle the Bible endorses divorce in certain circumstances. Anyway, if he was abusive I wouldn’t trust him around my kids. If he cheated on me, then he’s a sexual deviant who can’t control himself; and I can’t trust him around my kids. Even if it’s not biblical, I’ll always put my kids first and ask for forgiveness later.
@tiajoka And what if you leave him when he has done nothing wrong? What recourse does he have? Even if he divorces you for your breach of the marriage contract, then you still receive most of the assets (probably alimony) , because you have the children.
@tiajoka Because people fall. Why did Judas betray Christ when the Lord did nothing wrong? (for money) You may be tempted and give in to lust. We had a 40 something woman in our congregation who left her husband of 20 years for someone who was 24 years old. She wanted to feel young again. Her husband was a good man, and he did nothing wrong in this case. But she left him anyway and wound up with the house, kicking him out despite her committing Sin. Now, he's a ruined drunkard. That's the type of situation that I'm talking about.
@AnUglyBarnacle cool. If I become a degenerate worthless person then I want my husband to take the kids and his money. I couldn’t be trusted with them if i can’t control my sexual urges. There’s not a double standard from me, I don't know what you’re fishing for. Also what do you think happened to Judas after he betrayed Jesus… you are aware right?
@tiajoka That's good to hear. You feel that way now, but you may not always. Take that feeling then and try to prepare for that event should it happen. I don't know if you saw these:
1) Agree to a prenuptial. 2) Keep each person's income from before the marriage separate. 3) Have on-request access to each other's phones and social media. 4) Make a general agreement about sex frequency after marriage and how to negotiate it. 5) Take a paternity test for each child before the husband signs for parentage. 6) Agree on 50-50 joint custody of children should divorce happen (barring abuse from a parent)
These are things that you can do to protect your future husband. Are they unreasonable?
@AnUglyBarnacle how would the income be kept separate if I’m staying home homeschooling the kids? That’s wild 😂 but srsly if you’re unable to trust a person, don’t marry them! Or go to therapy jeez
@tiajoka That's the whole point of us telling you, women are not worth the risk for men to take. Marriage is off the table for most men. You may can find you one at the homeless shelter. Take some food with you..
Or else you’re generalizing all women based off a minority of them. Maybe I should start shouting, “I won’t go on a date with a man, because he’ll rape me!” See how stupid that is?
@tiajoka A typo that I didn't correct. Should've read "money from before the marriage", not "income". You realize that women will marry men who already have money or property just to take it in a divorce, right? That's why you keep it separate, to prove to him that you're not after his stuff (not so much of a problem if you and he both are in your early-mid 20s, granted). Money obtained in the marriage goes into a joint account.
Yeah, I don't plan on getting married, because I'm not a sucker. More and more men are smart enough to make this decision each year.
You don't trust people unless they give you a reason to.
I'd place a solid bet that you're playing the part of a reformed Christian girl and preying on a naïve man with low self-esteem. A wolf in sheep's clothing, infiltrating the Church.
But, you all do what you will! I wish y'all the best. Hopefully you'll stay as good of a person as you claim to be, because you sure don't seem to be planning for the worst.
@AnUglyBarnacle ok don’t rape anyone. I mean people can change, like you said I might cheat on my husband so with your logic you might attack a child. Hope you don’t 😨
@tiajoka Yup! That's a possibility. Which is why women should carry mace, learn self-defense, and keep a large social / family network, as well as why freaks like that should be put in jail for life. Which you or I would deserve if we did it. See how easy it is to make concessions to help a person trust you and feel safe?
@AnUglyBarnacle yup, nobody should trust you even if she’s been dating you for five years even. You still may rape her despite any character you’ve shown prior; apparently. 🙄
@tiajoka That's a possibility. You could wake up one day after 40 years of marriage and decide to stab your husband in the chest with a knife for no reason like my neighbor's wife did to him, because she took some screwy medicine. You never know!
@AnUglyBarnacle that’s why trusting people is a choice. If they haven’t a reason to prove not to trust them, it’s brave to trust when you know people lie. But if you’d like to live a cowards life of a sad and lonely man; go ahead. This conversation has been interesting for me to understand that type of mentality more. How a weak, bitter, and broken man thinks and operates.
@tiajoka Yes, and it's a choice to make it easier for someone to trust you. I didn't even ask for that much. 6 simple concessions upfront, but apparently that's unreasonable, because you're so perfect.
"Coward's life". There's that shaming language again. It comes out when women can't or refuse to refute a logical point.
Women cannot grasp the concept that men could be happy without them. They think that without women, dudes are just miserable and broken. That's peak narcissism there. People like you and your tag team buddy are prime examples of why so many men want to be alone. Sadly, A LOT of married men feel the same way but can't leave.
Barnacle, are you a lonely old man? I'm not unhappy with my life, are you? No one to keep happy but my self. I do what I want when I want. I'm having the time of my life. Everything I own is paid off.
@AnUglyBarnacle I think without family in general it’s hard to be fullfilled. It’s not about a man needing a woman, it’s about them both needing each other. You’re foolish indeed. Not that you can’t find fulfillment in other things, but you seem to be to type to look only into yourself for this and not into others. This selfish nature is why you will never be happy or fullfilled. It will all be frivolous and shallow.
@cheetocandle I don't give two cents about what you think of me. You and my dogs are no equal terms as far as I care. I'm not the one that has to try and have a happy life and a happy marriage in these days you women have made. Your life is just getting started and you don't know you are in for one hell of a ride. You are so entitled, and arrogant to the point that you will always be the women left behind.
@cheetocandle he’s just continuing to prove the previous point I made. It’s clear he’s sad, hateful, foolish, pathetic, and cowardly. leave him as he is.
@tiajoka Like I already wrote: I wish the best for you and your potential husband (especially him). I'll just leave it at that.
I don't think that feeding hungry people with my work is frivolous and shallow. Neither is preparing for the rough decades in the future (the world is kind of on fire right now). You can't eat money or a master's degree. If we both live long enough, then who knows? Maybe I'll be feeding you one day. I actually would look forward to that.
A final note: I seriously doubt that you're a genuine Christian. And I'll tell you why, speaking as someone who left the Faith: if you notice that someone is lonely, hurting, and broken (as you claim of me), then you should offer to pray with or at least for them (and, no, not in a mocking way). That's what Christ would do. But instead, you wish to ignore sincere concerns that people have, potential solutions they propose, and reasons they give you for why they see subjects as they do. You need to work on your faith, because you don't have a loving heart.
"Except legal protections" none of the other advantages require marriage. Moreover "legal protection" means "easy way for women to take your money and house and leave you with the debt". Men don't benefit much for "legal protection".
It's not fear; rather, it's reasonable caution. If you really love the guy, then you can assuage his concerns fairly easily:
1) Agree to a prenuptial. 2) Keep each person's income from before the marriage separate. 3) Have on-request access to each other's phones and social media. 4) Make a general agreement about sex frequency after marriage and how to negotiate it. 5) Take a paternity test for each child before the husband signs for parentage. 6) Agree on 50-50 joint custody of children should divorce happen.
Follow these reasonable steps, and you'll mostly likely have takers for marriage. Don't? Well, then, that says a lot about your intentions for wanting to marry.
As long as the laws are the way they are, no man can feel totally safe in his marriage. He doesn't even have to do anything for you to totally destroy that man. Ask the man that jump from a parking garage in California. His wife called the police on just an argument they were having. He lost everything, including his life just over a disagreement. He never touch her.
@AnUglyBarnacle Good ideas, but this still won't save the man from child support or alimony or a corrupt biased Judge who can invalidate the entire prenup.
Men weights the WORTH IT value on everything he does. If he does something, he will ask himself, is it worth what this will cost him. Most of the time it's a big no to that answer.
This is why it's best to not get in a relationship at all. All a relationship is now days is sex. People don't need a relationship just for sex, you call it a hook up. Sex without commitment is the only way to go. By the time a woman gets too old to F, she could have up to 3000 different sex partner.
Not sure if you can tell, men no longer put the same value on women that we did just 20 years ago. Women have changed the game to let's see who can F over the other one the fastest.
@AnUglyBarnacle I can agree with all but 3 and 5 seems like an insult. If I've given him no reason whatsoever to distrust me, why would he assume I'm a cheater? I have nothing to hide on my phone and if he wants to snoop around fine but why would anyone even feel the need to snoop around? As for the paternity test, fine. But it's bad enough that I'm already considered a cheater from the beginning; sounds like a false accusation.
@Tracker1958 Lets say I do comply to all that on the list. When the paternity test comes out positive, you find no evidence of cheating on my phone and I passed all your test... how on earth would he make it up to me then? I wouldn't be just royally pissed off, but totally hurt and there isn't any sweet word that he can say to me to calm me down. What if I don't trust him anymore by then? What if I'm too hurt? How would he then recover my trust in him?
If I've complied to all that and passed, what is he going to do then? Please don't tell me he'll just make it up to me by just sex and sweet words. I'm super pissed off and very hurt, feel even humiliated that not even that would help at all.
@ChicanaChick So men should have to walk around not knowing if their children are really theirs because your feelings might get hurt? You don't deserve a husband or children.
@msc545 Honestly I don't care about the all tests he wants to place on me. I have nothing to hide and comply to all if he wants. I don't even want his money. Why the hell would I need someone else's stuff when I got my own, been on my own since age 19?
Once I'm done passing all his tests, this doesn't mean I'll go ''forgive and forget'' on him easily. Afte that what else is he going to continue testing me on, what more so I can send him to hell by then and take my own stuff (I don't want his things)?
Back to my same question. After complying to everything he asked and passing all his exams... what is he going to do to make it up to me then? I'll be emotional exhausted by then, tired of being with someone that distrusted me from the beginning.
@msc545 Yawning.. zzzzzzzzz. What a waste of time. I don't need more stress on my day, not in the mood to argue over commitment, politics nor anything.
fiction... write a screenplay. but 1 support and 4 finance are unlikely. women are famous for mass shopping, total and type of shoes and gold, and caused men to need support from others in his new problems.
Although I advise Men who are divorced I do know plenty of happily married men. Marriage is not for everyone that is for damn sure. Good list though. Thanks for sharing.
For me, none. That is of course primarily because I am currently too selfish to maintain anything other a superficial romantic relationship.
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Aside from the legal protection part, the rest of the points are based on the assumption that the only way to have a long term partner is to marry them.
Nobody said that. For many marriage can be an anchor and tradition that is sacred that keeps them grounded. It's not binary. If people what to shack up for the rest of their lives without the govt interfering more power to them.
Why do men on here act like marriage can only be bad or risky for men? Marriage didn’t benefit Laci Paterson either, only she didn’t commit sulfide, her And her 8 month unborn child were murdered by her husband so he could be with his mistress… Hmmm seems like I can recall quite a few cases like this … Marriage can be good or bad for BOTH men and women. There’s bad women out there, there’s bad men out there because there’s bad “people”… But that applies for good as well.
Terrible example.. Robin Williams had a disease called Lewy Body Dementia, which caused him to experience severe cognitive decline. That's why he committed suicide
@Brainsbeforebeauty the difference between bad men and bad women, the whole world will still come and help a bad woman destroy a good man. No one helps a man out.
@whirled_up_girl Yes, and sadly a divorced man is *9 times* as likely to commit suicide as a divorced woman. This probably doesn't bother you, though, right?
@AnUglyBarnacle Sadly that is distubing, some articles suggest that men are less likely to seek help for depression and that also could be gender bias involved in men not being diagnosed properly. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5734537/ My comment to Brainforbeauty was adding to her point that there were quite a few cases similar to that of Lacey Peterson.
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It seems to me that people have really lost track of what the POINT of marriage is. It's not SUPPOSED to provide "benefits" to either a man OR a woman. It may well do that, but that's not the POINT. The point of marriage is to provide the best, most stable environment possible for RAISING KIDS.
That's the point of marriage.
My advice to anyone would be this: if you're planning on having kids in the near future--GET MARRIED FIRST. Also, if you're NOT planning on having kids anytime soon, DON'T GET MARRIED.
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Absolutely nothing, it only benefits a woman, she can marry then go and sleep with other men, then find someone divorce the guy and take everything , and he if left with nothing , and she is getting half of everything he owned and his paycheck, and she is happy with another guy she was cheating on you with.
men gain from marriage. women lose in marriage. that explains why 2/3s of all divorces are initiated by women. Studies has also shown that while married men lived longer lives than single men. Married women did not live longer lives than single women. Additionally, further studies shown that single , childless women were the happiest
Sure, you really lose. You just get the money, the property, the house, the kids, the alimony, and the child support.
I too want to LOSE like that.
@msc545
you got yourself a free maid, free chef, free nanny, full time teacher at home so you can enjoy children while never having ever to lift a finger. she washes your underwear for you so you can focus on your career so you can earn more money.
thats why men gain in marriage while women lose in marriage.
she had to give up her career to make your dreams of having kids come true
on what planet does any woman do all of the things you mentioned?
@msc545
women do it all. thats why women are unhappy being married to you
go marry a dildo then
While women get a slave working everyday to provide money, food, clothing and shelter for them while she can comfortably sit home doing chores.
Also married men live longer than single men. But do married men still live longer than single men if you exclude divorced men (the one with a 9-10 times higher suicide rate than non divorced single men) ?
@Jhunitor
[While women get a slave working everyday to provide money, food, clothing and shelter for them while she can comfortably sit home doing chores.]
she had to give up her career, promotions, money making potential just to make your dreams of having children come true.
@Jhunitor
[Also married men live longer than single men. But do married men still live longer than single men if you exclude divorced men (the one with a 9-10 times higher suicide rate than non divorced single men) ?]
why should a woman marry a man to help him live longer but she dies earlier?
Yet you don't realize that majority of the time, it is women who demands for marriage and it is men who avoids marriage. Because all of the risk and cons outweigh the benefits. You cannot even explain how men actually live longer when married and even if that were true then life has no meaning if you are just trapped.
What career?
Men on GAG are not in favor of the laws and family court regarding custody and child support. To guarantee they retain custody, men could do what attorney Authur Liu did. All five of his children were born to an anonymous egg donor and surrogate mother including Alysa Liu.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/nOr494y1uEoGoogle ARTIFICIAL WOMB.. in a few years men won't need a woman at all to get his kids. It's called ECO WOMB.
@Tracker1958 Thank you. That was interesting. The article I read said it could happen in 2074. In any event, a man will still need a woman's egg.
Why should we have to go through this shit because of American women's greed and corrupt courts? it is easier to marry a woman from a foreign country and leave this shithole forever.
@Tracker1958 Finally we won't have to go through childbirth that can literally kill us bruh
@Minahh Yes, so many of you die. Maybe we can find a way that men won't have to go through wars that kill a hell of a LOT MORE of us.
%8,000 MEN died in the Vietnam war
There are about 23.8 deaths of women per 100,000 births.
Stop whining.
*58,000 Men
We can buy a egg at Walmart to have our kids. Just like chicken eggs, we will never have to meet the egg layer.
@Tracker1958 Women will not sell their eggs that cheap and, even if some would, if I was a guy or a couple, I would want the best. One couple offered $50,000 for an egg from a tall smart girl. www.nytimes.com/.../...o-tall-smart-egg-donor.html
That was a very specific requirement. Nevertheless, offering $5,000 to $10,000 for an egg from a beautiful, smart, athletic girl would be reasonable. Since the top stud are $300,000, certainly some couples would pay that much or more for an egg from a beautiful, smart, Olympic or elite college athlete such as Alysa Liu, Yuna Kim, or Paige Bueckers.
Most men and couples can't afford to pay that much. However, there are beautiful and very talented 18 year old girls waiting on tables while they are trying to get accepted as a prima ballerina. Since they need the money, they should be willing to an egg for $5,000.
Women will sell anything including her body, women will flood the market with her eggs. The more of them, the cheaper they are.
@Tracker1958 Women's eggs are just like stud fees. The market is flooded with stud horses. For most, the cost is less than $100 and many are free but their colts never win races. Some women may sell eggs for $100 and a few may even give their eggs away. And, if a guy is satisfied with a dumb fat slop for a son or daughter, that is what they will get. However, if they want the best, they must pay and price for the best will be $1 million dollars.
Don't over estimate your value. Your not the only one with eggs. Sperm could cost women that much. Like you said, race horses sperm can be expensive but you never hear of race horse eggs being sold.
Are you willing to buy Sperm for a million dollars?
@Tracker1958 Women's eggs are at least100 times more expensive than sperm. Therefore, if the best egg sell for $1 million dollars the best sperm may sell for $10,000. At my age, I'm not in the market for sperm. However, when I'm older I would pay $10,000 to marry the best.
I seen on one of the videos that they have already produced 5 sheep this way.
@Tracker1958 They were preterm sheep. At this time we don't have the technology to raise them from a Zygote.
@msc545 oh where did you serve?
You are aware though that the draft basically isn’t even a thing, and women also serve right? I don’t know any men giving birth.
You have fat, lazy, entitled men who want a trad wife that does all the housework but also has a full time job and manages the kids-but it doesn’t work like that. Foreign women may marry you, but just until she gets her citizenship stabilized.
Your bitterness is a disease that is rotting your soul.
If you were ambitious, hygienic, confident and moral; you would easily find and catch the kind of women you look for. You don’t even have to be that attractive so long as you’re not obese. But working on yourself is too difficult so you’d rather blame all women for the reason you can’t get them; when really it’s just the women you’re generalizing who are the only kind you can get. Humble yourself and settle, or else work harder. Making excuses will get you nowhere.
@tiajoka PART 1: @tiajoka I have a few things to add. First as far as the draft goes you are aware guys are still required by law or else to sign up for selective services with a just in case attached to it right? Also women assume those of us out here are somehow rejects for refusing to get married. You haven't done your homework obviously. I will list those that others have compared me to and let you decide for yourself but to start with. I am 6ft 4inch average weight 179lbs on average full head dark wavy hair. As far as names that I have been referred to looking like. Some have said I looked like Richard Gere and at least one told me he thought I looked like Leonard Nimoy not far off from Richard Gere. While I don't like being compared to actors and I don't either but at least that should give you some idea. I don't drink haven't taken any illegal drugs none of that.
@tiajoka PART 2: Now that you have an idea. I'm not a MGTOW so to speak because I'm not trying to go my way I am going the way I was expected to God's way, I have a Lord and Savior and his name is Jesus Christ.
As far as MGTOW goes I have heard what they have to say their testimony of treatment and there is nothing that I can disagree with or not much anyway. And I was way ahead of MGTOW I would be considered a monk leaving behind the idea of dating and marriage at age 20-21. I saw the writing on the wall way back then. I got first hand examples from the last two I had a relationship with that turned me away back then. I had a total of two intiment relationships and regretted both. They were both messed up with feminist ideas way back then. Since I put the idea of dating and marriage behind me I have had offers alright. I have had females come sit on the edge of my bed when they roomed at my house, I had one chase me in a club and talked me into going to her house, I had one sit on my steps with her puppy popping out she couldn't even keep them in long enough to have a conversation, and there were more and I refused every single one of their advances I refused all of their seducing and I got the you must be gay response too believe it.
@tiajoka PART 3: I would describe myself as a normal person who wanted and still does want Godly things and Godly ways and I wanted children even more than marriage itself but I have been forbidden from even going near any much less adopting due to feminist propaganda unjust societal view male hatred anti male laws and male hatred. Before the lie hit in 2019 I had planed on moving to Russia even begin learning their language in order to move there to at least have somewhat of a attempt and live out somewhat of a normal life before the scam begin.
As it stands now and I know I'm not alone I have given up on the idea of a normal life because there is nothing left to envision of one and the hour is getting late Prophetically speaking Isaiah 13:12 is where it's at and Revelation 18 is where it's headed now aka New Babylon.
To sum it up yes feminism came a along way and it was too bad it was the wrong way to go.
Men don't miss kids he never had in the first place
@Tracker1958 That sounds like the laws and family courts are highly biased in favor of women over men. The laws and family courts would change and be far more favorable for men and much less biased in favor of women if a substantial number of young men refused to get married and/or have children. However, that is not going to happen. Therefore, nothing will change.
Of course, plenty of older divorced men will complain and say they will not get married. However, they are already paying and will continue to pay much of their income to women. Therefore, what they say or do doesn't matter because that will not change anything. Furthermore, young men will continue to marry because they either don’t know or don't care what happened to older divorced men. That is because; when they meet a young woman she seems so nice and desirable. Therefore, what is happening to many older and divorced men will never happen to them. That will not change because hormones trumps the limited intelligence of young men.
Therefore, they will always take money away from men and give it to women. This is how women keep saying that they don't need a man because they have daddy government to support you. The government will always make sure that men come out on the short end of the deal. This goes to prove that women doesn't care about their sons, brothers or any male family members. Anything you can do to a man another woman car do to the son you claim you care about. I'm not going to say you love your sons because we know that's not true.
@Tracker1958 Women may not care for their stepchildren but they care for sons. However, based on the comments I read on GAG, I believe most women will not make the connection to see that what happens to men, may also happen to their sons until after their sons are adults and it actually does happen. Then it is too late so nothing will change.
@Tracker1958 Whether human females or birds, cuckoldry is the fate of males the animal kingdom over. www.nytimes.com/.../...-sexes-the-females-win.html
However, that is nature so that is how it is supposed to be.
@msc545 If you don't return to the USA. However, what do you think happens if you marry a girl in a foreign country and bring her back to the USA? Do you believe the American women she meets will not be instructing her how to be a proper USA wife?
@adaeva You are right. Bringing her back is a very bad idea but I thought that was self-evident.
Renting a woman is a lot cheaper than marrying a woman. Rented women never say no to sex plus you can choose a different woman every time. You never have to feed, clothes, houses, take no vacation, put her on your health insurance, and best of all, keep her happy. Rented women never cheat and take half of you stuff. She will after you for child support. The benefits of renting compared to marriage is a no brainer.
How about you do a better job at picking the right woman.
@cheetocandle Fair enough. Do you agree that women who've had crappy relationships should do a better job at picking the right men?
@cheetocandle this goes for all women. Women are not capable of loving anyone but themselves.
You poor old man. I am sorry for whatever you went through. I really am.
@cheetocandle married 45 years.
@cheetocandle There are no "right" women.
@msc545. None worth a man risking his whole life for. What you are not understanding is, the so called good women today can be the demon from hell tomorrow. The government and state will help her do it. That's all you need to understand.
@msc545 Real men aren't this afraid. Get some help.
@cheetocandle men are going over seas to find better woman. The women in the states are garbage.
Does that include your wife?
@cheetocandle YES.
Poor woman. I feel sorry for her why don't you let her go find a real man. I see your comments on GAG. Saying nobody should give advice without being married for 40 some years. You talk out of both sides of your mouth and most people aren't listening.
@cheetocandle you are 23, your still a child.
It's "you're" grandpa. For F sake.
@cheetocandle at my age, women are not worth what it cost to keep them alive.
You're an idiot. Let's end it there.
"If it flys, fucks, or floats, rent it, don't buy it".
@cheetocandle they wouldn’t want to pick the right woman, because that would require working on themselves to be the kind of man that woman would want. It’s much easier to play the victim, like a green haired feminist crying about how awful all men are. It’s two sides of the same coin.
Behold the wisdom of a 22 year old little girl
@msc545 I am working on my second masters so let's not be ageist. It's a low blow and not very intelligent.
@cheetocandle People *are* listening. They're listening to the degree that marriage rates in every industrialized country are in the tanks, because men are weighing their risk-vs.-reward options and deciding that marriage isn't worth the potential harm. You can think that you're great all you want to, but if men aren't interested, then marriage isn't going to happen.
And more worrying to me: you're showing who you are after being pressed here. Some telltale signs:
1) "Real man" is coded shaming language, meant to manipulate men into doing what a woman wants. It's a trait of a potential abuser, so there's one warning sign about you.
2) I made a response to you about what you can do as a woman to lessen a man's concerns about a nasty divorce. You did not respond, which gives the impression that you wouldn't be willing to support those proposals. Sounds like you want to have the option of being punitive in a divorce. That's two signs of being a potential abuser.
3) I asked you if you blame women for choosing bad partners in the same way that you blame men for making bad choices. You did not respond, which is a default "no, I don't fault women" answer. This is a sign that you blame men for relationships failing, not women. Everything is a man's fault, all the time. Refusing to accept responsibility for one's own volition is another sign of an abusive person.
It's not hard to read you.
@cheetocandle the so called right women can turn into a demon over night. All depends on what time of the month and how many women are telling her how unappreciated she is. Women mutil
A so called good women ( which doesn't exist) can trun into a demon over night. She can go to bed telling you she love you and wake up wanting a divorce. There's only one sure way for a man to feel safe in a relationship, don't be in one. Use her for what she was made for and then send her to her next customer.
@msc545 clever, instead of refuting my claims you seek to prove them.
@tiajoka think what make you feel better. Women sell sex and us men control marriage. Women don't get a wedding until the man says so.
@cheetocandle a degree does not make you an adult, which you clearly are not.
@tiajoka what this means is that women are totally loosening control of men. Men are no longer putting women on a pedestals or making women their queens. Women have lost all their power over men these days. Men are no longer coming to the rescue of women.
Depends on the woman. My boyfriend and I are waiting ourselves, and have already both hinted at wanting to be married in a year of dating. For him I’m working on losing weight, while he’s begun working on getting a better career to support a family. It’s a compromise where we work together and don’t play games to try and “win” anything against each other. Your mindset is immature, and you’ll never be in a happy relationship if it’s how you think and view men and women as a whole.
Sure there are men and women like that, but they aren’t all of them. As I said, if you want a good quality woman; you’ll have to work on yourself to get that. Better hygiene, confidence, ambition, reevaluating priorities, being fiscally responsible, taking initiative as a man to go after what you want.
A lot of dating is the chase, a man proving himself to a woman he desires by doing everything he can to show the kind of man he is, or wants to be for her. While marriage is more about the woman working to keep the man, encouraging him, respecting and appreciating him and working hard being a mother and a wife. In both phases both still work hard and it needs a joint effort regardless, there’s a lot of nuance. But it’s a fuzzy bottom line to follow. While saying she’ll put extra work in his appearance. While married he’ll work hard at work at let her feel appreciated as well.
Too many bitter men and women want something they hate, which is wacky to me. You know not all women are like the minority that you’re using to generalize all of them, so grow up. I’m not attacking all men just because I’ve been hurt by them before plenty of times and worse than what most women subject men to. I understand that’s just my own bad luck and willful ignorance to have chosen bad partners in the past.
But go ahead and stay sour, see where it gets you.
Strong and independent, these words will come back to hurt women in the end.
@msc545 Than why respond? Make you feel good? Little boy playing tough guy on the internet. I eat scared little boys like you for breakfast.
That’s not true at all. Lots of men will still put women on pedestal’s. I’m sorry someone took advantage of you when you did that with her, but you shouldn’t throw it away. Just be aware of red flags. It’s good for men to idealize women. It’s why the “wage gap” exists. They work harder to try and live up to what they view them as. The issue is when women lack humility to understand that what he has is frivolous and will fade, though love will not. So she abuses him until he’s all used up. But some men do this as well, that’s why that type like to go after underage giros so much. A 16 year old will idealize and adult man in a way that a grown woman never would, and he takes advantage of her and abuses her. Stop generalizing everyone off of tradgities. I’m sorry you were a victim, it sucks! But you’re not special in this, and focusing on it will only let the negative experience continue to hold you
@cheetocandle that's so cute, like a puppy that think he can take the big dog.
@cheetocandle he’s not responding to anything i say because he knows it’s true and can’t refute. Acting like 35 means he’s mature. That’s crazy. You don’t prove you’re intelligent and mature by, saying, “I’m older so I know more” you prove it. Otherwise you’re proving the opposite with your hollow words.
You have no depth to you. All you do is complain and repeat the same shit over and over again. You're like a broken record.
@tiajoka You can work on yourself, put in the effort, and be a good person, but many supposedly decent women still will not want you. After a while, you stop trying. I have run into this problem for my whole adult life.
I don't womanize. Am good with kids, pets, and elderly people. Am a virgin at 31 despite multiple offers. Frugal. Donate most of my breeding work. Give advice to people in life crises. Visit the lonely old widower to check on him when his kids won't. Don't abuse substances. Don't drink. Am not sex obsessed. Have zero criminal record. Never hit anybody. Weigh less than the average US woman. Barely play videogames. Read and study regularly. Am realistic about what type of woman is in my "league". Strictly monogamous.
And, yet, I am still single. Ghosted constantly. Almost exclusively attract predatory women who see my "soft" eyes and generosity, and mark me as a sucker (single mothers, abusers, women who want to get married and then quit working). Or, married women who want an affair.
You're in the prime years of your life as a woman, so this may be difficult for you to believe: but there are millions upon millions of men who are doing their best to be what women claim to want, and yet we're invisible to them, at least until their options dry up. Can you not empathize with why some of us would be more than a little upset about the prospects of dealing with women further and then - any time we dare to protest - being told "Step up! Do better, bro!"?
@tiajoka He already deleted one of my comments because he couldn't handle it. How could he handle a a relationship and take care of a family. Scared little boys on the internet who talk tough. I am over it. Then you have grandpa who keeps saying the same shit over and over misspelling every word he types lol
@AnUglyBarnacle look at church. There’s a horde of women just looking for a decent women desperate for a moral, Christian husband. I assume that’s why you’ve been waiting for marriage? You also have to be confident, as I said. Take initiative. A woman will hardly ever crawl into your lap. If you’re looking for a good kind of woman, most the time you have to go out and find her. Be kind, friendly, ask her on a date. Especially women who are in your age range now of 25-35, they’ll be happy to have a man like you. Don’t look for liberal women who wouldn’t appreciate. Basically all I had to know about my boyfriend is that we have good conversational flow, and that he is actually Christian, conservative, and willing to be abstinent (he’s even a virgin) and I basically am ready to marry him. Ofc there’s areas that he’s a bit immature, but that’s true for me too! You just need to find a woman who is self aware, not shallow, and knows what she’s looking for.
But you need to also not be shallow. Don’t only go after top 10% of women. I’m a chubby six and my boyfriend is probably more like a four physically (altho I find him hot af, but that’s just what happens when I fall for somebody), but I don’t care about that. If anything it makes him adore me a lot more in a way I feel I don’t deserve. And he feels very out of reach to me in ways where I put him on a pedestal. It’s a balance of things. Be self aware and humble yourself. If you make 70k a year and are a five, don’t go after 8 women who make more than you. Maybe even settle for a girl less attractive, because it will make her appreciate you even more and be an even lovelier wife.
Definitely go for a woman who is dumber or equally intelligent than you though. Nothing is really more toxic than a relationship where a woman is significantly more intelligent than the man.
@cheetocandle some guys want a perfect mix of modern and traditional wife and don’t realize their ideal doesn’t actually exist, at least not for them. Because that kind of woman would be in a one sided relationship if she sacrifices everything for only his convenience while he gives nothing in return. These men don’t view women as people.
@tiajoka words have no meaning to women. They just change the meaning to over a hundred words to suit the meaning to women. Talking to women is the same as talking to a pet. It goes over there head.
Exactly what I said. Men like you don’t view women as human, which is why you’re disappointed when they are.
@tiajoka They view women as objects that they are afraid of losing everything too. I know so many great men who don't talk this way or act like this. Thank the Lord for them.
@cheetocandle My God... You just keep getting worse and telling on yourself.
4) aggressive, arrogant, and antagonistic. That's FOUR abusive personality traits in sum.
What a keeper! I'm sure you wouldn't be vindictive at all in a divorce. I'm super glad that there isn't a massive, unfair law bureaucracy that you could use to screw over your ex and ruin his life for daring to try and leave an abuser! /s
Yup. Men are just living in irrational fear for not be willing to approach women for marriage! No basis for it whatsoever! /s
Precisely
@AnUglyBarnacle You seem obsessed with me. Not interested.
@cheetocandle I haven't lost anything to a woman. But I can see what a evil woman can do to a good man. We are not fighting for the bad men out there, we think those men should pay out the noise. We are fighting for the man that has been a faithful husband and a good father to the kids and he still get rape in the court system. Until the laws get changed, this is what women will get. Women will have to be the ones that get together and get the laws changes because women run the world. Everything is set up to protect you strong and independent women. You may disagree and you can do nothing but it's only going to get worse until it changes
Have you not seen what an evil man does to a good woman? You’re full of yourself to think that men are the only ones who can be good and never evil. Women are protected? That’s really not as true as you’ve been propagated to believe. Shit sucks for men and women, stop crying about it and get over yourself.
@cheetocandle
By your logic, then you're obsessed with the elder dude whom you've been having an argument with on this post now for 2 days...
Narcissistic too, huh? That's #5. Someone calls you out for being a terrible person, and you think they want to bang you. All you had to do was de-escalate the ranting on here, but you couldn't help yourself. An observer reads you like a book, but you selectively ignore them, instead picking on someone who clearly has had bad experiences and is speaking out of deep frustration and hurt.
Nope. Sorry. Don't want to bang you. Just giving you the verbal spanking that you need. Apparently that turns you on.
Doesn't AOC say something along these lines whenever someone criticizes her?
@AnUglyBarnacle Are you speaking out of frustration and hurt when you call me a terrible person? Seems childish. So let's try this again and see if you know how to treat a lady. I am not interested in speaking with you. Thank you.
@tiajoka make the law equal, if she cheats, he gets everything including the kids. If he cheats, she gets everything. And shut the f up. Remember, men care as much about women as women care about men. So take a step back and think about the life your sons will have to deal with in life. I know you women for the most part don't give a flying F about your boys. Remember the women that killed her 3 sons? This is the kind of love a man can expect from a woman.
@cheetocandle Nope. Just calling a spade a spade.
Good luck out there. You'll need it.
@AnUglyBarnacle and don't be jealous of some old guy, it's unattractive.
You really think that’s completely how it works? You’re like a feminist believing in the wage gap 😂
@cheetocandle It is not fear. These are prudent precautions. Learn the difference.
@cheetocandle why should I care if I never plan on keeping her?
@msc545. She going to find it very hard to get a man to marry her. lol
@cheetocandle Oh no, a man who has no intentions of marrying a woman and doesn’t respect them as people thinks you’ll never get married. His opinion is really valuable on this subject yknow.
Suggest you stop talking to her - she is not worth your time.
@tiajoka that's okay. You can believe what make you feel better. I know what men from all over the country are saying about marriage. It may do you girls some good to get out of you little bubble and find out what men are really saying about women and marriage. You do you and stay in the dark. If you want, I can give some places to look. Start out with. JUSTPEARLYTHINGS. she on youtube and Instagram.
Cool beans
Sounds like you
@tiajoka give me your boyfriend Social media name and address!
Ew, what a creep!
@tiajoka I give people the advice of looking in a church if they want a more old-fashioned arrangement. That is generally a better place to find someone, yes.
I spent a year at a Christian University and most of my life in church. Women there are not fundamentally different from women in the mainstream. They simply tend to have more restraint, better values, and more community accountability. Many, many posers and "reformed" girls too. (Seen plenty of men who do this. Pastoral majors were the scummiest in college.)
You seem nice, so I'm not trying to be snappy. But here again: marriage and commitment is not what men are scared of. It's the divorce and aftermath. My own mother is the super Christian type, God-loving, blah blah blah, and even she knows that she can punish Dad if he does something wrong. Quote: "If you decide that you don't want to be married to me anymore, (name), then tell me, and we'll go separate ways amicably. But if you cheat on me, then I'll take you to the cleaners." These were her own words, straight from her own mouth to me. Now, should she cheat on *him*, can Father punish Mother in the same manner? No. She knows this, and even admitted that the family courts are not fair to men.
The fact that your potential fiancé sounds like he would be the primary breadwinner means that you will be able to profit the most in a divorce, should one happen. Absolutely so if the two of you have kids.
I made a list of 6 points in response to a "lady" hanging around this question post, mentioning what a woman can do before tying the knot if she wants to lessen a man's concerns about divorce disaster (you'll have to poke around here for the list). Would you agree to these with your boyfriend?
@AnUglyBarnacle if you’re going into marriage worried about divorce, then I agree you shouldn’t get married. That should only ever be on the table for cases of abuse and infidelity
@AnUglyBarnacle. Church is where all the leftover hoe's go to find a man.
@tiajoka Ma'am, I say this respectfully: if you're unwilling to agree to those simple conditions, then you are part of the problem. People change. If you're a Christian, then you know that humans stumble, fall, and sometimes outright turn evil. Lucifer was not always Satan. Judas Iscariot was not always a traitor. A wise person avoids Sin rather than trying to test themselves against it. We must protect ourselves, and loving someone means ensuring their safety, even from you or me.
I plant crops every year, excited and hoping for the best. Can't wait to get into it. Can't wait to see my babies grow and thrive. But crop failures are common and always possible. For this reason, I need insurance. Not because I *want* to see crops fail or hope for it but because I must armor myself against the unexpected. I must have some money available to pay my bills, lest I lose my equipment and possibly even my land. If nobody wanted to take the risk to grow the plants (or the livestock), then everybody would starve. If farmers had no way to protect themselves, then many would stop farming.
Marriage is no different. And if you're not willing to ensure your potential husband's protection, then you do not love him.
@AnUglyBarnacle huh? I said I don’t believe in divorce unless the contract of marriage is broken. If a man beats his wife or a woman cheats on her husband, that person has already divorced the other person by disregarding the contract that binds them. Yes people fall, but consequences exist and god believes in justice. Spare the rod spoil the child.
@Tracker1958 There is some truth in this. Wherever decent (and somewhat naïve) people go to congregate, there will always be opportunity seekers and predators.
At my "Christian" university, women were explicitly warned about the pastoral majors during girls' group orientation in the dorms. This was because many were hoping to come to the school and find someone to marry. Naturally, they assumed that the pastor guys were solid choices. Lots of scummy dudes were there to prey on the women.
@tiajoka Sad really. I'm over it. These baboons can't knock themselves out with their fear based rhetoric.
@cheetocandle How would you suggest a man would do that?
@msc545 Go ask a grown up. My master degree won't help you here.
@tiajoka When you marry, you are not following God's law only. You must also live in the World system's law. You will register with the State and receive a secular marriage license and registration. Should you divorce, you will not go before a Church official to dissolve the marriage; rather, you will deal with a secular authority making decisions based on secular law (which I maintain is grossly unfair to ex-husbands and fathers at the moment). God will have nothing to do with this situation.
Should either you or your future husband fall (maybe he cheats on you; maybe you leave him for one of your past boyfriends), then you may seek to use Man's system in retribution. This is what I mean when advocating for protecting yourself and your husband.
@AnUglyBarnacle the Bible endorses divorce in certain circumstances. Anyway, if he was abusive I wouldn’t trust him around my kids. If he cheated on me, then he’s a sexual deviant who can’t control himself; and I can’t trust him around my kids.
Even if it’s not biblical, I’ll always put my kids first and ask for forgiveness later.
@tiajoka And what if you leave him when he has done nothing wrong? What recourse does he have? Even if he divorces you for your breach of the marriage contract, then you still receive most of the assets (probably alimony) , because you have the children.
@AnUglyBarnacle why would I leave him if he’s done nothing wrong? Why would I breach?
@AnUglyBarnacle you’re speaking in silly hypotheticals to try and reach irrelevant conclusions
@tiajoka if he's actually the real father to the kids. 50,50 chance.
@tiajoka there's a woman on here that was talking about how great her ex husband was , she just got bored with him.
@tiajoka Because people fall. Why did Judas betray Christ when the Lord did nothing wrong? (for money) You may be tempted and give in to lust. We had a 40 something woman in our congregation who left her husband of 20 years for someone who was 24 years old. She wanted to feel young again. Her husband was a good man, and he did nothing wrong in this case. But she left him anyway and wound up with the house, kicking him out despite her committing Sin. Now, he's a ruined drunkard. That's the type of situation that I'm talking about.
@AnUglyBarnacle cool. If I become a degenerate worthless person then I want my husband to take the kids and his money. I couldn’t be trusted with them if i can’t control my sexual urges. There’s not a double standard from me, I don't know what you’re fishing for. Also what do you think happened to Judas after he betrayed Jesus… you are aware right?
@tiajoka That's good to hear. You feel that way now, but you may not always. Take that feeling then and try to prepare for that event should it happen. I don't know if you saw these:
1) Agree to a prenuptial.
2) Keep each person's income from before the marriage separate.
3) Have on-request access to each other's phones and social media.
4) Make a general agreement about sex frequency after marriage and how to negotiate it.
5) Take a paternity test for each child before the husband signs for parentage.
6) Agree on 50-50 joint custody of children should divorce happen (barring abuse from a parent)
These are things that you can do to protect your future husband. Are they unreasonable?
@AnUglyBarnacle just don’t get married man
@AnUglyBarnacle how would the income be kept separate if I’m staying home homeschooling the kids? That’s wild 😂 but srsly if you’re unable to trust a person, don’t marry them! Or go to therapy jeez
@tiajoka That's the whole point of us telling you, women are not worth the risk for men to take. Marriage is off the table for most men. You may can find you one at the homeless shelter. Take some food with you..
Or else you’re generalizing all women based off a minority of them. Maybe I should start shouting, “I won’t go on a date with a man, because he’ll rape me!” See how stupid that is?
@tiajoka A typo that I didn't correct. Should've read "money from before the marriage", not "income". You realize that women will marry men who already have money or property just to take it in a divorce, right? That's why you keep it separate, to prove to him that you're not after his stuff (not so much of a problem if you and he both are in your early-mid 20s, granted). Money obtained in the marriage goes into a joint account.
Yeah, I don't plan on getting married, because I'm not a sucker. More and more men are smart enough to make this decision each year.
You don't trust people unless they give you a reason to.
I'd place a solid bet that you're playing the part of a reformed Christian girl and preying on a naïve man with low self-esteem. A wolf in sheep's clothing, infiltrating the Church.
But, you all do what you will! I wish y'all the best. Hopefully you'll stay as good of a person as you claim to be, because you sure don't seem to be planning for the worst.
@AnUglyBarnacle ok don’t rape anyone. I mean people can change, like you said I might cheat on my husband so with your logic you might attack a child. Hope you don’t 😨
@tiajoka Yup! That's a possibility. Which is why women should carry mace, learn self-defense, and keep a large social / family network, as well as why freaks like that should be put in jail for life. Which you or I would deserve if we did it. See how easy it is to make concessions to help a person trust you and feel safe?
@tiajoka that works for me, what ever it take to keep you single.
@AnUglyBarnacle the men with the money are not taking the bait anymore. MGTOW is getting through to the men out there. STAY SINGLE.
We just have to make sure we educate the young boys and young men to this.
@AnUglyBarnacle yup, nobody should trust you even if she’s been dating you for five years even. You still may rape her despite any character you’ve shown prior; apparently. 🙄
Nah no problem, I’m basically married at this point but thanks for your concern 🙏😚
@tiajoka. Does she know who many women that rape men goes on out there?
@tiajoka Amazing to see this convo thread. I might have to write my thesis on these morons.
@cheetocandle I would love to read it 😂
@tiajoka That's a possibility. You could wake up one day after 40 years of marriage and decide to stab your husband in the chest with a knife for no reason like my neighbor's wife did to him, because she took some screwy medicine. You never know!
@AnUglyBarnacle that’s why trusting people is a choice. If they haven’t a reason to prove not to trust them, it’s brave to trust when you know people lie. But if you’d like to live a cowards life of a sad and lonely man; go ahead. This conversation has been interesting for me to understand that type of mentality more. How a weak, bitter, and broken man thinks and operates.
@tiajoka Bravo agree completely.
@cheetocandle. College women have a 90, yes 90 percent divorce rate. You don't have a chance in hell of having a happy marriage. LMFAO.
Don't you have senior citizen event to attend. please just stop. you're embarrassing yourself.
And you have a zero percent chance of ever being happy in general 🤷♀️
@tiajoka Yes, and it's a choice to make it easier for someone to trust you. I didn't even ask for that much. 6 simple concessions upfront, but apparently that's unreasonable, because you're so perfect.
"Coward's life". There's that shaming language again. It comes out when women can't or refuse to refute a logical point.
Women cannot grasp the concept that men could be happy without them. They think that without women, dudes are just miserable and broken. That's peak narcissism there. People like you and your tag team buddy are prime examples of why so many men want to be alone. Sadly, A LOT of married men feel the same way but can't leave.
Barnacle, are you a lonely old man? I'm not unhappy with my life, are you? No one to keep happy but my self. I do what I want when I want. I'm having the time of my life. Everything I own is paid off.
@AnUglyBarnacle I think without family in general it’s hard to be fullfilled. It’s not about a man needing a woman, it’s about them both needing each other. You’re foolish indeed. Not that you can’t find fulfillment in other things, but you seem to be to type to look only into yourself for this and not into others. This selfish nature is why you will never be happy or fullfilled. It will all be frivolous and shallow.
@Tracker1958 Precisely
You two need to get a room and fight for men's rights and even get a reach around. What a pathetic display of manhood. Do better.
@cheetocandle I don't give two cents about what you think of me. You and my dogs are no equal terms as far as I care. I'm not the one that has to try and have a happy life and a happy marriage in these days you women have made. Your life is just getting started and you don't know you are in for one hell of a ride. You are so entitled, and arrogant to the point that you will always be the women left behind.
You obviously do from this comment. Sorry I hurt your feelings. Don't worry about me I will be fine.
@cheetocandle he’s just continuing to prove the previous point I made. It’s clear he’s sad, hateful, foolish, pathetic, and cowardly. leave him as he is.
@tiajoka You know what is really sad is that we keep responding and feeding the BS. It's kind of fun but in the end just wastes our time lol
@cheetocandle Yes I agree because this conversation is going nowhere. Someone please end it already.
@tiajoka Like I already wrote: I wish the best for you and your potential husband (especially him). I'll just leave it at that.
I don't think that feeding hungry people with my work is frivolous and shallow. Neither is preparing for the rough decades in the future (the world is kind of on fire right now). You can't eat money or a master's degree. If we both live long enough, then who knows? Maybe I'll be feeding you one day. I actually would look forward to that.
A final note: I seriously doubt that you're a genuine Christian. And I'll tell you why, speaking as someone who left the Faith: if you notice that someone is lonely, hurting, and broken (as you claim of me), then you should offer to pray with or at least for them (and, no, not in a mocking way). That's what Christ would do. But instead, you wish to ignore sincere concerns that people have, potential solutions they propose, and reasons they give you for why they see subjects as they do. You need to work on your faith, because you don't have a loving heart.
Peace to you and to all involved.
@Tracker1958 No. I'm actually pretty content.
Take care, man.
@cheetocandle I won't give you a second thought.
@AnUglyBarnacle I very much doubt you are as well, so ditto boy. You need to work on not being so hateful and gross.
You clearly just did @tracker1958
@tiajoka. Married to the same woman for 45 years. You girls are just for entertainment purposes only. It's a fun way to kill a afternoon or a evening.
Nice story
sorry coach.
@cheetocandle ladies, it was a good debate, thank you for joining in.
Pretty much this.
That's hilarious.
@AnUglyBarnacle True better take care of business or someone else will.
I just like the whole process. And can't you people be more positive about marriage. Sure high body count goes both ways.
I don't want someone like that because I am virgin. I ideally want someone beautiful and close to my own skin color
"Except legal protections" none of the other advantages require marriage. Moreover "legal protection" means "easy way for women to take your money and house and leave you with the debt". Men don't benefit much for "legal protection".
These are some really good points. I want a man who has these values not complains and walks through life with fear in his pants.
It's not fear; rather, it's reasonable caution. If you really love the guy, then you can assuage his concerns fairly easily:
1) Agree to a prenuptial.
2) Keep each person's income from before the marriage separate.
3) Have on-request access to each other's phones and social media.
4) Make a general agreement about sex frequency after marriage and how to negotiate it.
5) Take a paternity test for each child before the husband signs for parentage.
6) Agree on 50-50 joint custody of children should divorce happen.
Follow these reasonable steps, and you'll mostly likely have takers for marriage. Don't? Well, then, that says a lot about your intentions for wanting to marry.
As long as the laws are the way they are, no man can feel totally safe in his marriage. He doesn't even have to do anything for you to totally destroy that man. Ask the man that jump from a parking garage in California. His wife called the police on just an argument they were having. He lost everything, including his life just over a disagreement. He never touch her.
@AnUglyBarnacle Good ideas, but this still won't save the man from child support or alimony or a corrupt biased Judge who can invalidate the entire prenup.
Men weights the WORTH IT value on everything he does. If he does something, he will ask himself, is it worth what this will cost him. Most of the time it's a big no to that answer.
@Tracker1958 False accusations have nothing to do with marriage. Could happen in a non married committed relationship.
This is why it's best to not get in a relationship at all. All a relationship is now days is sex. People don't need a relationship just for sex, you call it a hook up. Sex without commitment is the only way to go. By the time a woman gets too old to F, she could have up to 3000 different sex partner.
@Tracker1958 You are right. Psychos like you should be alone with a dog in a cabin in the woods somewhere. I agree 100 there pops.
Not sure if you can tell, men no longer put the same value on women that we did just 20 years ago. Women have changed the game to let's see who can F over the other one the fastest.
@Tracker1958 You have no business putting value on anything. You need a mental hospital with all these comments all over GAG.
The sad thing is that it's the truth.
False accusations are used by women in divorces to get full custody of children, and therefore the full amount of child support.
@AnUglyBarnacle
I can agree with all but 3 and 5 seems like an insult. If I've given him no reason whatsoever to distrust me, why would he assume I'm a cheater?
I have nothing to hide on my phone and if he wants to snoop around fine but why would anyone even feel the need to snoop around? As for the paternity test, fine. But it's bad enough that I'm already considered a cheater from the beginning; sounds like a false accusation.
I'll give him a paternity test but I'll likely not want to deal with him by then.
@Tracker1958
Lets say I do comply to all that on the list. When the paternity test comes out positive, you find no evidence of cheating on my phone and I passed all your test... how on earth would he make it up to me then?
I wouldn't be just royally pissed off, but totally hurt and there isn't any sweet word that he can say to me to calm me down. What if I don't trust him anymore by then? What if I'm too hurt? How would he then recover my trust in him?
If I've complied to all that and passed, what is he going to do then? Please don't tell me he'll just make it up to me by just sex and sweet words. I'm super pissed off and very hurt, feel even humiliated that not even that would help at all.
@ChicanaChick So men should have to walk around not knowing if their children are really theirs because your feelings might get hurt? You don't deserve a husband or children.
@msc545
Honestly I don't care about the all tests he wants to place on me. I have nothing to hide and comply to all if he wants. I don't even want his money. Why the hell would I need someone else's stuff when I got my own, been on my own since age 19?
Once I'm done passing all his tests, this doesn't mean I'll go ''forgive and forget'' on him easily. Afte that what else is he going to continue testing me on, what more so I can send him to hell by then and take my own stuff (I don't want his things)?
Back to my same question. After complying to everything he asked and passing all his exams... what is he going to do to make it up to me then? I'll be emotional exhausted by then, tired of being with someone that distrusted me from the beginning.
@Tracker1958 yes, except that people, especially men, don't think anything can happen to them until it does.
@ChicanaChick Please don't get married or have any children.
@msc545
Don't be telling me what I should do. I'll do whatever the heck I want to.
@ChicanaChick I will say any fucking thing I want to.
@msc545
Yawning.. zzzzzzzzz. What a waste of time. I don't need more stress on my day, not in the mood to argue over commitment, politics nor anything.
fiction... write a screenplay. but 1 support and 4 finance are unlikely. women are famous for mass shopping, total and type of shoes and gold, and caused men to need support from others in his new problems.
Although I advise Men who are divorced I do know plenty of happily married men. Marriage is not for everyone that is for damn sure. Good list though. Thanks for sharing.
For me, none. That is of course primarily because I am currently too selfish to maintain anything other a superficial romantic relationship.
Aside from the legal protection part, the rest of the points are based on the assumption that the only way to have a long term partner is to marry them.
Nobody said that. For many marriage can be an anchor and tradition that is sacred that keeps them grounded. It's not binary. If people what to shack up for the rest of their lives without the govt interfering more power to them.
This diagram sums up the best case scenario for marriage for men. Mind you this is the good ending you don't wanna know what the bad endings look like
Marriage benefitted Robin Williams so much that he hung himself.
Every year, thousands of men do likewise.
👏🎬
Why do men on here act like marriage can only be bad or risky for men? Marriage didn’t benefit Laci Paterson either, only she didn’t commit sulfide, her And her 8 month unborn child were murdered by her husband so he could be with his mistress… Hmmm seems like I can recall quite a few cases like this …
Marriage can be good or bad for BOTH men and women. There’s bad women out there, there’s bad men out there because there’s bad “people”… But that applies for good as well.
*suicide
@Brainsbeforebeauty Because at least in the Anglo-sphere, women seldom have their lives ruined by a divorce to the degree that men do.
And if you want to bring up the Peterson case, then I'll be happy to counter with high profile stories of the wife murdering her husband.
Terrible example.. Robin Williams had a disease called Lewy Body Dementia, which caused him to experience severe cognitive decline. That's why he committed suicide
@Brainsbeforebeauty Yes, and sadly homicice remains to be the leading cause of death among pregnant women www.healthline.com/.../homicide-is-top-cause-of-death-during-pregnancy
I get the sentiment, but Robin Williams isn't an accurate example.
@Brainsbeforebeauty the difference between bad men and bad women, the whole world will still come and help a bad woman destroy a good man. No one helps a man out.
@whirled_up_girl Yes, and sadly a divorced man is *9 times* as likely to commit suicide as a divorced woman. This probably doesn't bother you, though, right?
Source: Kposowa (2003)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../v057p00993.pdf
@AnUglyBarnacle Sadly that is distubing, some articles suggest that men are less likely to seek help for depression and that also could be gender bias involved in men not being diagnosed properly. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5734537/
My comment to Brainforbeauty was adding to her point that there were quite a few cases similar to that of Lacey Peterson.
@whirled_up_girl Yes, and sadly that's true. A woman is at her most vulnerable during pregnancy. I'm not denying that.
@whirled_up_girl You are right about that homicide being the leading cause of death in pregnant women:
The Consequences of Roe v. Wade. 63,459,781. Total abortions since 1973. Based on numbers reported by the Guttmacher Institute 1973-2017,.
@SpokenTruth Yeah, so, both things can be disturbing.
@coachTanthony. Nice MyTake.
Thank you
Depends who they married and what their goals are as a couple.
The joy of being committed to one special person you love, who’s your best friend.
People be believing the internet way more than they should.
You fucking sound like Andrew Tate, now.
Something you're not telling us?