What are the benefits of marriage for men these days?

[coachTanthony]

I have seen this debate on GAG for more than 5 years. So I thought I would provide some insight on this subject. YES....marriage can provide a number of benefits for men. It's true that young men associate marriage with increased responsibilities and with a greater possibility of financial loss. Having said that here are a few reasons why men should embrace marriage.

Companionship and support: Marriage can provide a sense of companionship and support, as you have someone to share your life with and rely on in times of need.

Improved health: Marriage has been linked to a number of health benefits, including a longer life expectancy and a lower risk of certain health conditions.

Shared goals and responsibilities: Marriage can help you work together with your partner to achieve common goals and share responsibilities, such as managing a household or raising children. Marriage can also provide men with the opportunity to raise and nurture children, which can be a rewarding experience.

Increased financial stability: Marriage can provide financial stability, as you and your partner can pool your resources and support each other financially.

Legal protections: Marriage provides legal protections and benefits, such as the ability to make medical decisions for a spouse and inherit their property and/or pension.

Personal growth: Marriage can provide an opportunity for personal growth and development, as you work through challenges and conflicts with your partner and learn from each other. Men also see themselves as fathers, providers, and protectors when they transition into marriage.

It's important to note that these benefits can vary depending on the specific relationship and the individuals involved. Marriage is not right for everyone, and it's important to carefully consider whether it's the right choice for you. Hope you enjoyed this TAKE. Leave a LIKE if ya did. Let me know below what do you think?

[AmyHew1tt]

I think many people like blaming marriage as the reason relationships fail when really it's miscommunication or an inability to commit to monogamy.

[Minahh]

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[Tracker1958]

The reason men hate marriage is because women hold all the card's. The government and state protect women and help them destroy good men.

[Tracker1958]

The number one reason for divorce is marriage. We can bring down the divorce rate by stopping the marriages. It make the numbers look good.

[AmyHew1tt]

@Tracker1958 You're talking like women are monsters who deviously aim to destroy good men, lol. I can assure you 90% of all failed marriages are the result of faults made by both the husband and wife. This is not about holding the cards, or even divorce. It's about people not bothering to put in the effort to make their marriages work. Men and women both. But I can see you have a bias in regard to this subject, so I won't try to convince you.

Have a wonderful life :)

[msc545]

LOL! Did you pull that 90% figure out of your ass?

[Tracker1958]

If there any thing you take away from this post, you better wake up and realize that men are leaving the marriage scene by the thousands and millions. You should real understand your chances of getting married falls every year that goes by. If you spend all your 20 F ing around finding yourself, you will not get a husband in 10 more years. 50 percent of women over 30 are single now. It's going to get a lot worse.

[Tracker1958]

If you really want to know what has destroyed marriage, it's the social media. It's not going to get any better. Onlyfans has taken thousands of women off the marriage market.

[AmyHew1tt]

@Tracker1958 I agree about social media 100%. Onlyfans needs to disappear. And Tiktok, if you ask me. But the fact remains that if the two people in a relationship are committed to making it work, and know how to communicate, there will be no divorce. Marriage isn't for everyone, and it should never be forced. But you should have a better reason for making that decision than deciding ahead of time it's going to end in a messy divorce. I've seen marriages that worked, and ones that failed so miserably that they could be featured in a drama show. For every one of those, the problem was miscommunication, and/or infidelity, two problems that are not caused by marriage, and a lack of rings and vows is not going to prevent it. If the allure of a marriage-less relationship in your mind is that when it inevitably goes down the drain, you get away free, that seems to say a lot about how you approach relationships. That's like the same logic some weird women use to tell other girls that their boyfriends and husbands will eventually become abusive, so they shouldn't bother trying to find a good man.

[Tracker1958]

Would you get on a airplane if it had the same statistics as marriage has? Communication? Men talk to no one and women tell the whole world about her relationship. She has millions of women telling her to leave him. I love it when a woman leaves her husband, it make him free from her and she has to do it all now. In 15 years, I bet only 10 percent of people will get married if we don't get it made illegal. Women brag about how happy single women are and say single women live longer. We should make marriage illegal for the greater health of women.

[AmeerX]

Why blame polygamy for failure of marriage. It's just miscommunication and too much expectations

[msc545]

Hypergamy and greed are the reasons marriages fail.

[AmeerX]

@Tracker1958 what have you been on?
That is certainly no way to treat a woman 😡.

You expect a girl or a toy. a girl deserves to be treated with consideration and care 🤠.
You are wrong if you think a girl is just some disposal object or needle that you are on right now

[Tracker1958]

I'm not on anything at all. Don't drink alcohol either. Stone cold sober.

[Tracker1958]

@AmeerX women made up the hook up culture, is that not just what I describe?

[AmeerX]

@Tracker1958 no they didn't make up hook up culture. They have been led to believe that is theresalvation. Be kind to them )). And you say they are trash but I don't know why but I talked to a number of American girls and boys one was pious as hell. She took care of her brother in laws children). God bless her soul.
And another is so loyal to her boyfriend that she could be envy of girlfriends too.
And no they both met normal men.

And I think Media and YouTube has screwed up the brains of the people 🙄. I did take my chances with an American girl any day

[msc545]

@Tracker1958 This!

[Tracker1958]

Either way, marriage are dead

[RealMarek]

“ For every one of those, the problem was miscommunication, and/or infidelity,”

These are common problems, but I believe there is another major cause of failed marriages that doesn’t get enough attention: personality disorders. If you end up with someone who has NPD, BPD, or the like, there is no effort or communication that will be good enough unless the person with the personality disorder is one of the rare ones who takes personal responsibility for their actions and works very hard to put themselves in check.

[RealMarek]

And believe me, the family court system is biased toward women and does not take personality disorders and the emotional and financial abuse people with them inflict on their spouses into account. The outcomes can be highly unfair and a lot of men are hesitant about marriage as a result.

[AmeerX]

@RealMarek you forgetsomething.@RealMarek that's in US. In my country major issue is miscommunication and even more than that economic issues that cause marriages to fail. People's infidelity if someone does is usually ignored or converted to marriage in cases of husband doing that. For a married woman, it's usually kept secret so not much data

[RealMarek]

@AmeerX yes, my comment was applicable to the US and perhaps the West, definitely not globally.

[AmeerX]

@RealMarek even in other western countries the economic problem is more prominent. And unlike US many popular cases where infidelity was accepted and wife divorced afterwards

[AmeerX]

I think in US guys keep staying with a women even when he isn't happy.
Though I like one thing about Western countries. They get a long much better with there ex partners especially those with whom they have children. In my country that's such a stigma attached to divorce

[Pete671]

@Tracker1958 perfectly said!!!

[AmeerX]

@Pete671 and @Tracker1958 get a life. Look around you 8 billion people half females. You could find someone in the entire world? You have US passport, use it how it was meant. Travel the world. Settle someplace you feel at home. Get out of your comfort zone. Don't be recluse

[Tracker1958]

@AmeerX not shopping for one, just rent her as needed

[AmeerX]

@Tracker1958 is that really how you see a woman? An object? A machine? A toy?
God I can't believe women fall for a loser like you?
What do they see in you? The Alpha male or the alpha loser?

They are human beings, they have a heart inside them. They are meant to be treated with consideration. One of them gave birth to you. Would your mother not have had broken her womb that day to hear these words you say?
Don't say things you would not want to hear for your daughters and sisters. Repent and be remorseful for how you think of other women. I know people can be in difficult situations with abusive moms and siblings but they are not that bad 😒. God I never regret the day I punched my friend when he said something like you did

[Tracker1958]

@AmeerX different time, different kind of woman! Yes, it's the way I view women these days. I'm not shopping for any woman so I don't need to kiss their a$$.

[AmeerX]

@Tracker1958 why do you think this way?
I mean you could have a polygamous relationship. I myself would be okay with it but why do you see women this way. you might not be shopping for them but why say you rent them. They are not toys

[Tracker1958]

@AmeerX never said they were toys, just said I don't want to feed one. Your so against renting one and think buying is bwtter. Tell me why?

[AmeerX]

@Tracker1958 renting a female is wrong. What's with the rent and buy thing.
She is not property. She is a spouse your wife or girlfriend if you must include. Someone keep your eyes cool and make you happy.

At your age if you find a young girl. Be lucky enough to marry her. Take care of her and nurture her. Is it too much to ask

[Tracker1958]

@AmeerX. Sound like you are talking about a dog, are you?

[AmeerX]

@Tracker1958no.@Tracker1958 just don't treat women like you did

[AmyHew1tt]

@AmeerX He's just an asshole. Don't even bother. They're a bit of a contagion on here.

[AmeerX]

AmyHew1tt, true 😞. I mean I am not proud of lusting myself. I like women but I want to like them like a person and not just meat to be chewed. I have thankfully never been with any to hurt them and remained a virgin

[AmyHew1tt]

@AmeerX Everyone lusts to an extent. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you treat the other person as a person, which it seems you do :)

[AmeerX]

🥰 thank you @AmyHew1tt, yes I do treat a person as a person even though I had a lot of heartbreaks 5 to be exact. I got 2 girls hinted at flings and stuff. I think they would have liked to turn things romantic but I just didn't try to take away my loneliness and unhappy by filling it with hookups or prostitutes. I really want to tell you this.

May God find you a faithful, handsome and loving partner who fights for you through thick and thin. Uphold the vows and give you love and support as a family. And he never hurts you physically nor betrays your trust. In return you also don't burden him but love him and be the wife he desires in someone.

It's alright, we won't remain beautiful. May be we don't even talk ever again but whoever you are I want you to know someone prayed for you and genuinely wants to help you the same way you thought good of me. I am not angel but I don't want to become the devil either.
If you ever feel like talking about anything you in you can message me here )).
Respect and affection for you.

[AmyHew1tt]

@AmeerX Thank you :) Good luck and respect to you too

[LegendaryDater]

My mother and father are still married. So is my uncle. Marriage works for those who both seek it.

[DarkWinterNights]

You can’t really compare your parents to modern marriages. Just in the last 5-10 years things have changed so dramatically. The last couple I knew that was “successfully” married until recently didn’t even have a shared bank account.

[AnUglyBarnacle]

@LegendaryDater Mine are too, but as you age you begin to see things in your parents' dynamic that you were oblivious to before. You find out that they weren't / aren't nearly as happy as you thought. *Many* married people are together but miserable behind closed doors, especially the husbands today.

[LegendaryDater]

@AnUglyBarnacle You sound like someone who has been fucked up by some woman. Sorry if that is the case but no need to comment on my thread with that BS.

[LegendaryDater]

@DarkWinterNights I'll let mom and dad know right away. LMAO

[DarkWinterNights]

@LegendaryDater, I was simply explaining that marriage 30 years ago and marriage today are not comparable. If you want to tell your parents that- that’s weird, but okay.

[cheetocandle]

@LegendaryDater OMG Christmas is here. You should see some other comments from this guy.

[LegendaryDater]

@DarkWinterNights No need to explain that to a complete stranger my guy. That is weird. Keep to yourself.

[msc545]

This is not "your thread".

[LegendaryDater]

@msc545 If I can remove your comment it's my thread. Mind your business.

[TopTier]

You have no tact

[OlderAndWiser]

Marriage never fails people. It is people who fail each other. Marriage gets a bad rap bcause people expect every day of married life to be like a picnic and they aren't willing to work on the relationship when it needs work.

[Guy13]

Yes these are facts and that we have to tell 30 year old and under these kinds of things says much to what public instruction, both in school and cultural elements, have done to definition and understanding of Marriage and Family.

[jennifer_bloom]

A good woman is definitely worth marrying because if she is moral and hard working - you don't want anybody other than her. A man should never marry a bad woman - better to be single.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

It's a good question. I think that a better question to ask though would be is marriage a thing anymore?

The answer to your question seems more subjective than I think it should because so many people have vastly different experiences. In marriage, a man SHOULD expect his wife not to cheat on him, but it happens all the time.

A man SHOULD expect to be tended to every once in a while if he's paying all the bills and giving his wife love and affection to the best of his ability

A wife SHOULD encourage her husband to be the best version of himself possible.

But most marriages I've seen end up with the wife genuinely taking their man for granted, seeing no more value in them than almost any other guy, taking small things overly personally, seeing love as a responsibility rather than a priveledge.

It's men's fault though because we raise women to have these chips on their shoulders.

We tell little girls that men are here to give them whatever they want. Men (and probably women too) are much more likely to be charitable to children who are girls than they would be to boys in similar situations. They grow up and become teenagers and then the showing off starts with the clothes and the cars and the hair and the nails. My friends who had sisters all knew where the money was coming from. They learned how to manipulate the mother because they understand as teenagers how much power women have in relationships.

What they don't learn is how a man or woman abusing their power in a relationship will almost always end un disaster for everyone.

[Fireguy17]

For me it was great health insurance at a much lower cost, financially I no longer have to handle all of the expenses myself, as they are now shared.
We had been together for a long time and neither one of us were going anywhere so since she really wanted to get married, I figured why not.
It did make certain things easier, like when we built our new house having it in both our names in case something happened, then I knew that she won't have to go through a huge ordeal, or that she will be well provided for without having to rely on someone else to make sure that my wishes were carried out.
We were smart enough to do a very well thought out prenuptial agreement, so our assets are well protected.
There is a very large income disparity between us, and I really didn't want to lose half of it, and that way her pension etc. are also well protected.
It is far better to do all of that when you like each other than a 2 yearlong expensive court battle that only the lawyers win.
We keep our finances separate, we have a household account that we equally pay into every month so that covers our bills, and whatever we have left is ours to spend as we wish. I do not agree with how she handles her money, but this way we never argue about money. If I want another motorcycle, I get one, or rebuild one of my cars, or she replacers her bath towels 5 times a year, it doesn't matter because it doesn't affect the other party.
For us it works great, neither one of us could have kids, so it is just the 2 of us and our 1 remaining kitty.

[Anonymous]

The only thing you mentioned that is valid is legal protection. All the others can be had outside of marriage without all the drawbacks (to men) of modern marriage. But even that one benefit is outweighed by all the negatives. Half of marriages end in divorce, women initiate 80% of them and men get screwed in divorce court and child custody settlements. That's the biggest reason why the suicide rate among middle aged men has skyrocketed in recent years.

Also, we need to keep a couple of things in mind about the infamous studies that showed married men live longer. First, they were not based on modern marriages. You can't find out whether married men live longer than unmarried men until they die, so by necessity those studies were based on men who were married many decades ago when marriage (and women) were very different than they are today.

And second, the studies compared married men to those who were never married AND men who were divorced, so the unmarried group included all the men whose lives and financial status were fucked when their wives divorced them and took their children.

When better studies are done in the future on the risks and benefits of today's brand of marriage for men my age, the facts will show what most men already know, which is that the risks and hazards outweigh the benefits.

[AnUglyBarnacle]

Well said.

I agree with your first paragraph. Inheritance, property transfer, and medical decisions are the only real benefits. Nothing else requires a legal marriage to obtain.

[bamesjond0069]

The laws create incentives for bad relationships and divorce. They assume men and women are equal and the same. Which they are not.

Most of the benefits listed are either not specific to marriage ie they can be had in a relationship. Or they are miss the point. Or they are just so vague nobody even knows wtf you're talking about.

"Companionship and support" this can be had in a serious relationship without marriage.

"Improved Health" I agree a solid relationship can prove health, not so sure this is unique to marriage though. But even if it was... it misses the mark because you would also have to include the negative health effects of divorce. If 100 married men are in a study and 50 live longer in lifelong marriages and 40 live shorter due to stress of divorce and 10 die from drug of alcohol or suicide from divorce... well getting married would be an average negative impact on one's health.

"Shared goals and responsibilities" this can be had in a relationship. And a large portion of kids are born to unmarried couples. Not necessary to have kids.

"Increased financial stability" resources can be pooled outside of marriage. No divorce so all contracts are just followed as normal like any other business deal. Simple. Unless the woman is well off, the man is more financially stable unmarried.

"Legal protections" all these regarding health decisions and property can be achieved through wills, legal entities etc. It's not necessary.

"Personal growth" so you say. Not sure exactly what this means or why it would come from marriage but not a serious relationship.

[Anonymous]

Some men benefit from marriage, but many get hurt by it. When we talk about the benefits of marriage we are thinking of the successful, lasting ones. But the reality is almost half of men who get marriage will be harmed more than helped.

Let's do some math to see what I'm talking about. Official statistics show that half of marriages end in divorce, and 80% of those divorces are filed by women. That means that any man who gets married knows going into it that he has a 40% chance (50% x 80% = 40%) of his wife divorcing him. And it's no secret that men typically have their lives ruined in the ever present collusion between selfish women and a biased court system. That means losing his children and a huge portion of everything he has worked for in his life.

So when we talk about whether men benefit from marriage, we must look at the big picture, and not just the rosy picture of the fraction of married men who actually do benefit from marriage.

We are seeing a precipitous decline in the institution of marriage, and it is largely women who are destroying it. Women complain men today are only interested in sex and they can't find one who wants to commit, but they have themselves to blame for that.

There is a lot of denial and deflection among women on this subject, but by denying the reality and not taking ownership for the part they have played in the destruction of marriage, in the long run women are hurting themselves just as much as they are hurting men, children and society.

[Anonymous]

It depends on what he wants. If his focus for his life is simply himself and his own desires to achieve “happiness”, then marriage will not satisfy him. But if he desires fulfillment, family, and commitment; then marriage is the perfect way to benefit him in those regards.
Men pick women poorly and then want to blame all other women for it. My first boyfriend was a bad guy. I was underage, he was an adult; but I knew what I was doing was wrong, even if he manipulated me. He’d cheated on me throughout our long distance relationship. I finally met up with him, decided we didn’t have chemistry, but that’s where he raped me. I was traumatized and stayed with him even though he continued to be sexually abusive and unfaithful. Not to blame myself or take away blame from him, but I’m not going to blame all of men and discard dating because of it. I was a victim, but I was also willfully naive.
If a man goes to the edge of a cliff for a better view and the structure falls, you may say; “that’s why you do not stand so close to cliffs” as warning… but you still empathize for the man as he only made a foolish mistake. You do not then hate all cliffs and swear them to be malicious and harmful. They can still be strong, durable, and perfect for a lovely view.

stop hating all women because of yours or others poor mistakes, or because of the women you see who are loud and selfish. There are men like that as well, many of those men are ones who may beat their wives and cheat, then say; “the system is against me!” When their wife leaves them. Not that it is the case for all, but those men are the ones who also say this. Men and women both become victims of relationships at times, and it’s sad for either of them. But you should learn what behaviors to avoid when shown by the kind of person who is looking to harm you. Become a confident and capable person that is hard to take advantage of.

[Miristheiss]

In western countries?

None.

Why?

Women put out. Why would you legally bind your home, your income, your assets, your business, your retirement accounts to someone else so if you come home and find her cheating she gets the courts/judges rule that you have to pay her alimony for years, the retirement account you've put into for years from your job will go to her, you get all of these expensive lawyer fees as it takes forever to split, if you have kids a judge will get to decide how that works and it is almost ALWAYS a woman gets custody and the man gets visitation and is ordered to pay the woman on the kids behalf.

Men. Get a vasectomy and just date around. Never live with a woman, never have kids with a woman (unless you are just hell bent on having kids) and never legally bind yourself to a woman.

[Miristheiss]

ps
Guys,

ALWAYS get a paternity test. Do not EVER assume a child is yours. Even if you are married and you do not suspect anything.
Always get a test to make sure before you let your name be put on the birth certificate.
There are SO MANY stories of people finding out their kids are not theirs. This ancestor. com stuff and sites like it... man has that opened up a can of worms with people finding out they aren't really the father.

Always get a prenup if you do marry.

Always keep the finances separate and debts and access and accounts only in your own name.
You can have 1 joint account if you want to keep a small amount in it to pay bills from.

Don't ever let someone else have access to your accounts and to have credit cards or cars... etc. in both of your names.

[DoctorSex]

Yes I'm going to marry. It's been my goal since a teenager I believe. But marriage in the west? To a high body count combative woman? Nah. I'll pass. I'd rather take a bullet and that's not hyperbole.

Good luck to any man who does. Africa for me is the end goal.

Kind regards,

DoctorSex

[bamesjond0069]

Good thought process. Traditional marriage makes sense. Modern marriage makes zero sense. But everyone loves to try and beat sane men into making a dumb decision.

[AnUglyBarnacle]

I had the intent of getting married as a life goal way back when I was 17. But until laws change, I'm keeping to myself. I've been irreversibly turned off to the prospect.

[DoctorSex]

@AnUglyBarnacle I don't blame you and I don't think the laws are going to change in the west. I sincerely believe the western social contract is between the 1% and women on how to harvest every other male for their time and labour. If you think through that lens, every law and institution that strips men of wealth makes sense.

Different societies have different social contracts. But yeah.. if life in the west is your only focus, then single life it the best life for you my man.

Kind regards,

[DoctorSex]

@bamesjond0069 thank you sir *tips hat*

[AnUglyBarnacle]

@DoctorSex Thanks, man. You too.

[molonski2]

You make good points..

But its family courts world wide that has put men off , that stuff is very one sided , also not sure that expected monogamy is a good thing for young people , to make a life commitment , pretty unrealistic , its okey if you are my age , dam different story if you are 25 .

Having said all that , my elder brother is just about to celebrate 50 years , with no scandals , plenty of adaptation , compromise , now his wife is a little ill , and he has focused all to support her though and she is getting better , has also been same on the other side over the years , this relationship I greatly admire , a credit to both.

[HighValue]

All of those except for collecting their retirement can be had by having an exclusive LTR without legal marriage. None of those things listed other than retirement are exclusive to a married man. And often the man makes more money in a relationship so the retirement often doesn't even apply.

If women actually valued fairness they would get laws passed so they couldn't abuse/steal from men in divorce, but that will never happen because even the women that claim to be fair to men, put no effort in getting things changed. They ALL approve of the legal system that abuses men.

[Chazmatazz269]

There are no meaningful benefits from marriage for men that outweigh the risks. If you want companionship and support, be a better friend in order to have better friends. Spend more quality time with your family, they can also make medical decisions for you in case of emergency. In fact, you can assign medical power of attorney to anyone you choose. As long as you don’t also make them the beneficiary of your life insurance, they’re less likely to let you die for their own benefit like a lot of women will do. Many of the reports on “health benefits” to marriage are gross misrepresentations of data, and there have been no meaningful conclusions regarding causality or resultant.
In the west, marriage is a sucker’s bet for men. A lot of drastic changes over generations has gotten us here, and it will take at least as many generations to get us back to a sociopolitical environment in which any intelligent and self-respecting man would risk everything to marry a woman.

[Anonymous]

Positive Benefit : you die early looking handsome you never get the chance to get old with wrinkles yuck. You are going to look fresh when you go to heaven. All the worries and troubles marriage is going to give you is going to cut your life short. Once your “cut” she goes to cut the next pie because she is going to live veryyy long. The whole pie takes time to cut.
Negative Benefit: With your money she is going to buy a new knife to cut her pie

[John_Doesnt]

%50 of American marriages end in divorce and %80 of the time it's the woman leaving the man.

If someone told you that your parachute would only open %20 of the time would you jump out of a plane?

[coachTanthony]

LOL no I wouldn't. You don't die if you get divorced.

[John_Doesnt]

You just lose your house, car and possibly your kids. The living would envy the dead.

[coachTanthony]

Still you don't die so not quite the same no matter what you lose.

[RationalMale]

Hmm. As a paralegal I don't think "legal protections" really qualifies as a benefit. If you trust your girlfriend, you can easily give her power of attorney or name her your beneficiary, etc. You don't need to give her a legal claim to your personal property. By the way guys, she still gets half your stuff even if you walked in on her banging the neighbor, fun fact.

I also think it's interesting these articles never talk about the deteriorating health effects of divorced men.

[msc545]

Marriage has NO benefits for men and it is disappointing that you would be promoting this. Here is the downside:

* Probability of divorce initiated by the woman within 5 years of marriage is 70%.

*Financial losses in biased Family Law courts include confiscatory child support, alimony, property including house, bank and retirement accounts, and any and all assets.

*LOSS OF CHILDREN: Family Law Courts can and will take your children and give them to your ex-wife, and if you get any time at all with them your ex can make it impossible for you to see them, and the Court will not enforce its own orders in this regard.

Risk of false accusations: If your ex accuses you of domestic violence and /or sexually molesting your children, it's game over for you. The court will believe her, and you will never see your children again, and you may be arrested. Women often do this to obtain full custody.

Getting married is suicide.

[AnUglyBarnacle]

And the big one: a divorced man is roughly *9 times* as likely to commit suicide as a divorced woman.

Source: Kposowa (2003)
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../v057p00993.pdf

[Tracker1958]

For college educated women, it's 90 percent.

[SpokenTruth]

Something to add to this mytake:

Isaiah 5:20 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

[AnUglyBarnacle]

In theory, marriage is great. In practice, you're not getting anything from it that you can't from merely being committed, exclusive, and cohabitating. Why bother legally tying the knot if one can already receive all the benefits of marriage separate from a ring?

[cheetocandle]

Marriage is great. I know many who are happy and thriving. You want to shack up with someone go for it. To each their own.

[AnUglyBarnacle]

@cheetocandle Sure. There are decent people out there, and sometimes they find each other and get along well. That is in spite of the current marriage and family legal system, not because of it. Not every woman WILL ruin your life, but every one CAN. This same rule applies to a woman taking a risk with a man potentially being violent. Any man CAN be. The key difference: society and the law don't back an abusive and violent man, punishing the victim. They DO back an abusive, vindictive woman, punishing the victim (the ex husband). There are shelters all over the country for abused women. Do you know of any for abused men?

My parents have been reasonably happy together for 39 years. Grandparents were 51 years. Plenty of happy couples around me. And I do not WANT to cohabitate. However, as many men are doing, I am looking at the current dating landscape and adjusting accordingly. It's not the playboys making this bitter choice (many of them will play the field for their whole lives). It's marriage-minded men whom women want. More and more of us are not interested.

[Tracker1958]

The funny thing, 70 percent of lesbian couple have domestic violence in them, but they still want to blame the men. F all of them.

[ChicanaChick]

@Tracker1958
Maybe get together with @Pete671 and the other miserable frogs. Both of you deserve each other. If you have a granddaughter as you've mentioned previously on some other post, hopefully you don't ruin her with your anti-marriage and anti-women ideas. How would you like it if someone strings her alone and future fakes her, wastes her time when she grows up?

[Anonymous]

If you find the right woman. All of that is true. I married a small town conservative girl. She values marriage and family, as well as loyalty and honesty. Most women born in the last 25 years just dont value marriage and love. There is an ugly statistic that no one wishes to admit, and that is that women, not men, initiate 90% of all divorces, and believe it or not, its not due to infidelity or abuse, its due to her being bored and refusing to communicate. For men its getting harder and harder to find a good woman.