Women know they don't need to put up with bullshit. Both genders very much go through abuse; however, women often experience physical abuse at a higher rate. Also, a lot of women want to be more than just a house wife expected to cook and clean, so if they feel like that's all that's expected then they may want out. There's nothing wrong with a house wife by the way; people should do what mutually works. Also, women tend to be more aware of the relationship condition, and they aren't afraid to note how they feel. I think due to social pressures more-so than nature, men can often hide from their emotions whereas a woman will assess what she is feeling, subconsciously keep track, and be open about when she has had enough. As another an anon mentioned, I'm sure some women may initiate it because they feel as though things will move a bit faster if they do so, but again, if they want to get out more than the man, then it would make sense for them to file first.
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For starters, I'm not saying men don't face abuse, but women do face domestic abuse at a higher rate than men if you look at statistics, so that could be one of the reasons.
I know I'll piss people off with this next bit, but the court commonly caters to women. If they're unhappy in their marriage and do not feel like working on it anymore, they can go off and cheat, yet still usually get the kids, financial assets, and alimony. There's a fair amount of women who file for divorce because they know they'll be rewarded for this kind of behavior.
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There are also men who think the marriage is going just great, yet the wife feels very differently and tries to just put up with it and hope things will get better until she realizes it isn't and files for divorce due to bad communication between the two.
Because women get bored after the big expensive wedding is over and then real life sets in. Why the hell should a woman have to stay tied to this loser that farts in the bed anyways? It is time to cash out and get a house paid for with lifetime support. What a deal. Hell, I would take that one myself. Only useful-idiot men that the state can transfer all of their current and future wealth deserve to have their lives crushed would get married. Yep, marriage is a suicide mission for a man. I know of faster ways they can do it than getting married.
Yes I forgot to mention women’s boredom myself. They don’t want to just watch soap operas they want to live them. Yet another reason I say they’re nothing more than children in adult bodies.
@burntgold Sorry, but I have to agree with him. Put men and women in a jungle and separate the two. Who will come out on top? Men. They made a TV show and this happened too. Not saying women are incapable but men are wired differently.
I think it might be because men are more happy with the treatment they get from their wives than woman are happy with the treatment they get from their husbands. My cousin and her husband would both hit each other during the course of their marriage and one day my cousin got tired of being hit and divorced him - she got domestic violence charges laid on him so he could not see his children or retain partial custody of them and he has been trying to convince our family to act as a go-between since he filed a restraining order against him to prevent him from contacting her either. I don't agree with the charge since she also hit him during the marriage but I don't approve of how he treated my cousin. He would hit her if she avoided interacting with the guests over at her house when she was feeling sick which I don't think is right. He just thought about how he could use her and not about how she was feeling and what she needed to make herself happy.
Very simply, because they win by default, and they win A LOT. Divorce allows them to legally clean out their husband financially, take the majority of his assets, get custody of the children (which means child support payments from him), while the man gets the old car and a studio apartment (or rents a room) in many cases, along with years of payments to her.
The other problem is what I call "Disney Syndrome" - women who have always believed that marriage will mean "happily ever after", and when she discovers that she's not completely fulfilled after being married a while (no matter WHY she's unfulfilled), she will usually blame her husband, because he's a convenient target. And as soon as she considers him to be the problem and starts talking to her friends, they will immediately start telling her why she is entitled to happiness (at his expense) and will then explain to her all the ways she can screw him over in the divorce.
I've literally seen this play out exactly this way at least half-a-dozen times with acquaintances of mine.
Of course, not all women are this way, but a great many are, or become that way over time. It's a "free ticket out" for women that men have to pay for.
Note that this is the biggest reason that so many men aren't interested in marriage anymore - it's a terrible risk for men. Any businessperson who was brought a contract that works like marriage works would laugh at that contract and tear it up, because it's so one-sided - but it's tradition and people who think romantically and not in a business sense pay no attention to it until it's too late.
Based off of the answers below, it’s obvious as to why divorce is initiated the most by women. I won’t be surprised when we hear about people being lonely and miserable a few years later from now and how they can’t find people to marry. The real question is either how does one change the laws and balance it out. Either balance will return via changes in the law or a change in society for the worst, in other words a major blowback of karma. This happened many times in history including Rome before it fell. I mean people can only handle being screwed over for so long. The word is getting out as to what marriage is about and it’s no secret. I’d be worried about the blowback. Many things could happen: Sex Robots will eventually be advanced and look real, artificial wombs allowing men to have a monopoly when it comes to having kids, economy crash (Will happen for sure) and every man for himself, invasion/WWIII and all hell breaks loose.
In all seriousness, this really is an issue and it’s a mere symptom of the main issue. I’ll just leave a link and you decide whether to view it or not.
Because nobody is taught to fix things. Women are taught If their man doesn't satisfy them in any way 'drop him, get a better one', 'millions of fish in the sea', 'you deserve happiness now, not later'.
Its a culture of instant gratification. We're not taught to work for what we have.
So why isn't it 50-50? Well in general guys put in more work to get into the relationship. A woman has more choice and needs to put in much less effort.
Once the dynamic shifts and a guy gets the girl, he can now shift his attention and energy to other areas of his life, like his career etc... This creates routine. And a woman who got pampered during the pre-relationship phase may now feel less appreciated, unloved because of that change, this leaves her wanting more. Thats also one of the reasons I think.
Finally, except losing their partner (which they may not love as much anymore because of the above reason) there's no real downsides for most women when it comes to divorce. So that instant gratification attitude is reinforced. Courts favour women in divorce cases most of the time so they have more to gain than they have to lose.
It's the usual stereotypical thing's people tends to miss.
1. Expectations versus reality doesn't add up.
2. Try to improve the other one (change) when succeeded interest and feelings flies out the window (most common amongst females).
3. Got in to the relationship of wrong reasons but think they did do it of the right reasons.
4. The heated crush flame shange to the real longterm feelings there both get comfortable and think they doesn't love anymore, it got sloppy, the other one doesn't put any effort anymore and focus on what the other one should do in the same time miss what they really are contributing with themselves or tries to rearrange attention from themselves.
5. Hidden agenda is an other there the other one doesn't serve any purpose anymore.
6. Drama queens, toxic, one way relationship, one uses the other one without really giving and get tired of the other one doesn't give anymore or the giver get tired of only be the one giving. (Most off those are most common amongst females apart of that the other one doesn't give but are most common arguments from the user that doesn't really give what is needed)
Those are the most common reasons behind the fronts why they end.
If you look at who initiates divorces in different countries, it's pretty clear that whoever gets the kids/money is much more likely to initiate.
If 50/50 physical custody and almost no child support (on the assumption both are equally responsible) is the norm, as I believe has been tried in some parts of Scandinavia, magically women file for divorce at the same rate as men.
In some parts of the world where men still keep the kids and the wife is thrown out (we're not talking the west), surprise surprise, it's all men initiating divorce.
Hmmm so many thoughts running through my head. I think as a society we are quick to give up anymore on things that should be valued and should be worth fighting for like marriage. Its always the I'm going to get to it 1st. Or how can I hurt this person the most. It's worse when children are involved. The flip side is that it could be the person has tried and tried again to seek help with marriage therapy and the other person refuses or is in denial that there is something wrong within the relationship. I also think too many people know their business so that outside influence is weighing in. Everyone needs someone to vent to but that person has to be objective and neutral otherwise they are just going to agree with whatever you say and NEVER talk to your parents about relationship problems learned that the hard way.
My wife and I married with the belief that is would be permanent. And we worked at times to make sure it was. Took a trip to a couples counselor once, but we made the choice to spend our lives together and did what we needed to do to ensure our beautiful relationship lasted.
@Red_Arrow it takes work. My husband and I have been tested for sure but that's ok. We have those moments where we are thinking the same exact thing and one of us tells the other and it just affirms were on same page and we are exactly where we are meant to be. Even after 3 years of being together we are still learning
Because they stand to gain and not loose in a divorce. That’s the number one reason. They get alimony (for life in many states) child support (which is paid to the mother and spent how she decides), the nearly automatic granting of custody of children to women, and the fact that they typically don’t make as much as men and don’t put 50% of the total income in yet get 50% of assets upon divorce... well all that’s happened is divorce is incentivized for women, plus the fact they typically lack principal and character and make most decisions via emotional and relational reasoning and add in hypergamy and that’s why. So basically you have children in adults bodies (women) able to fleece their husbands children and assets from him and coupled with a natural desire to always look for and couple with whomever they think will give them grater security than who they’re currently with and that’s the answer to the question.
Women have everything to gain, nothing to lose. Only men get socially and financially destroyed due to a divorce. Therefore why would any man put a gun to head and pull the trigger knowing what is going to happen.
Men seem more okay living in a bad situation than women are. The marriage is usually broken but guys are more willing to just live in a broken marriage than women are.
I think men are just also afraid to go back out into the single life because they feel less value as they are the chaser rather than the chased and that's hard on self-esteem so I think guys are just afraid of that. Guys also know they won't have much in the way of a support network and they see divorce as something they have to suffer on alone. Most women usually have some kind of network to help them through a divorce so they don't see divorce as something they will have to go through alone.
In a survey of 2,262 adults in heterosexual partnerships over the course of five years, Rosenfeld found that women initiate divorces 69 percent of the time. On the whole, they also reported less satisfaction with their marriages than men.
First, can you please provide a link to a reliable source to back your claim.
But in general, I think women initiate more divorces than we once did because we are now less likely to be tethered to the marriage for financial reasons.
In my experience, most people I know who have gotten divorced have reached the decision mutually.
But I am interested in seeing your sources for the statistic you gave.
Because women are incapable of being happily monogamous. The pathological drive of hypergamy will always rear its ugly head and push the woman to seek better conditions than the ones that are already available to her.
For the girls disagreeing, my opinion that women are usually harder to please is based on thousands and thousands of clients I've worked with. I've noticed it reoccur time and time again. Women have been much more demanding and much more likely to complain. I'm not saying all of you are that way of course.
I think a lot of women like the idea of the wedding and give no thought to the marraige. I also think a lot of women that initiate divorce put too much expectation on the men they marry without considering what they themselves bring to the table.
Because the divorce laws favor women. She can cheat and empty the bank accounts and still be entitled to at least half of everything remaining, probably custody of the kids unless she's a crack addict, and a chunk of his future earnings.
More men drink and smoke weed and it could cause problems. Most likely women file for divorces more because they could be getting physically abused or verbally abused. Since men are stronger (physically) than women, it's a good chance.
I would think verbal abuse would be more common from women.
According to the national domestic violence hotline, men are sightly more likely to experience psychological aggression at 48.8% compared to 48.4% of women.
We can also say that men are much less likely to report anything from domestic accuse to health issues to a doctor. We are more stoic. I've been hit and I didn't think much more of it than she was really angry. Few guys will report that. Very few. They would likely have to be hurt torwards needing medical help for it to be reported.
The divorce laws don't allow a man to divorce his wife unless he has to give his last shirt for her. That's fucked up. I've read the story of a man who robbed a bank just to go to jail to avoid his wife.
Prolly cause a man knows if he files he's got low chance of getting kids and is prolly going to have to pay alimony and such. The system is set up in such a way that it's easier to stay in a miserable marriage than to have a fair divorce.
It could be because men cheat. It could also be because women are no longer happy with their man, they are more emotional than men. Or it could be because men generally make more money than women, so it benefits the woman to get a divorce, and it hurts the man.
alimony/child support payments and riding the cock carousel. Women benefit greatly from divorce, men don't. We all know women are gold diggers. Any man who still gets married in today's day and age, deserves to loose all his stuff.
Possibly because women get to their breaking point faster then men. Or perhaps they are stronger emotionally and aren't willing to stay in a bad relationship simple because they are married
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what women say and do are often two different things. This includes vows.
With the exception of the few "no fault" divorce states, the courts generally provide an incentive to women to divorce and punishes the man. In these states women have everything to gain and nothing to lose in divorce. Men have everything to lose.
It's a pretty reoccuring theme, people don't know what they want. They're used to getting everything with a snap of the finger. They think they want marriage, but midway the race they get second thoughts.
Women don’t have as high of a tolerance for bullshit than men, in my opinion
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Women are hypergamous, so as soon as she sees a man in better shape, richer, and more endowed than her current spouse she’ll cheat then proceed to divorce her current husband to steal all his money and marry the other guy.
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Men always think that everything is going great even though it’s not
From my experience men are much much more likely to be satisfied in general. Women tend to be much harder to please. I guess you girls also always have guys trying to start relationships with you, even while you're in one, so you always feel like you have lots of great options.
It's the proper and respectful way to greet an older male. As I was taught growing up. Not saying it would be an insult. I don't see how it's negative. My apologies
I appreciate your respectful attitude all kidding aside.
Nothing to apologize for.
People you call “sir” typically tend to be your boss of some other authority figure who then sit on their asses and tell you what to do, but don’t lift a finger themselves. That was the essence of the joke which came from a military joke about calling officers “sir”. Hope that makes sense.
Millennials just avoiding relationships and sticking to pets or focusing just on life etc we're called selfish and dumb for it. "How are you gonna pass on you genes" "Your biological clock is ticking" "Hope you enjoy being a loser or a cat lady" 🤔 "Selfish only wanting to live for yourselves". "Excuses etc etc"
Eh. I say live your life. I agree some people might hugely regret not having their own kids. Just don't be too selfish to adopt. There are plenty of kids out there who desperately need a good home when you are ready. In the meantime, live your life, and if you never want kids, that's your choice, don't let anyone make you feel bad for that.
They’re throwing a lot of those out these days because money grubbing whores can contest them on grounds they were unfair when signed... despite the fact each party has to have their own legal counsel upon signing one in most states and that its signed of their own free will before 1 “I do is even said.”
So as per usual it’s “I deserve money... because... vagina. I have a vagina so I should get money.”
Right. 70% of us weren’t smart enough to get out sooner. We keep thinking women really aren’t just children in adults and that evil doesn’t come in pretty packages. Don’t worry. Enough men have seen their dads move to the ghetto and live off Mac n cheese cause their penniless after a divorce so soon most women won’t marry cause guys are waking up.
Yeah. That seems reasonable. We're constantly in emotional flux getting pissy and sooky and angry and sad in the space of an hour, on repeat every day, for a week, every month. That's us. And we go through menopause and post-pardum depression and gosh-golly we get upset and scared and panicky if we don't have kids by 30. And if we don't have the current fashion and makeup, we're bratty nightmares. Yeah. Men definitely cause 70% of the problems. Quick! Go get trout snouted by a lesbian, save yourself from the horrid males!
Right the first thing I will tell you is that this was a joke, I know you are obviously inexperienced in these and want to bring out your soppy sob stories, however you should know it’s a harmless JOKE. Next, I’d like to just state the fact just because your experience with females in your life isn’t great, it does not however mean you should blame every female for what just a few of them have done. Females too have seen their dads end up that way as well as their mothers. They also do not get panicky if they don’t have a child by 30, that is just their personal preference that they would in fact like a child at that age.
Before the pair of you start throwing the toys out of your pram how about you take a joke and realise that there are plenty more sexist jokes about females then there are about males
Wow, look at the sensitive woman throwing a shit-fit 😂.
Jokes should be funny. And I don't have sob stories, women and I get on famously, I've only got happy stories 😄. All the shit I said? In a relationship, I accept that. I embrace it. The type of girl I'll be with takes care of me so well that I'd never do anything but embrace the things she struggles with. A well-sucked dick makes a highly considerate man.
Men on the whole and more and more each day are done joking about these types of issues.
You’ve also proven once again women aren’t funny. Sorry kid. Don’t give up your day job to be a comic.
Anyway, a joke is a joke and I don’t get offended by jokes or much of anything, but men are pretty damn well sick of hearing how we’re the problem these days when it’s mainly women and you gotta understand jokes of that nature aren’t likely to be met with laughter anymore.
Cheers bud. Honestly the blunt fact is what many dull muled naive women are looking for, is vulnerable adult status. And that just means we take charge of their every actions for their own safety. I definitely don't want that responsibility, stand on your own 2 feet, I don't want to have to take care of lazy, regressive women!
On the other side, let's be honest. We could enslave the entire gender with minimal effort. They're only free and allowed to spew toxic, divisive nonsense off because we're kind and have faith in the collective, the majority of amazing women make up for the dullard mouthpieces. If every woman was a chirpchirp cunt, we WOULD just enslave them and have done with it, we're by FAR in the ascendancy physically and tactically.
Man even in this comment section there's great women. And think of your mother, grandmother, sisters if you have them. Plenty of great women. Just loud, obnoxious, spoiled bitches can drown out the sweet caring angels.
You're obviously going through a tough time. Be prepared not to be ready for women. Equally I hope you're also prepared to some day be open to something else. Don't lose hope. Even just a little. There's not much else in life after hope my friend ☺
Copy that. There’s good ones out there but that’s like finding a needle in a stack of needles.
If we went back to the youths of my grandparents time... yeah, there were tuns of good women, but these days most women are undatable and it’s so risky, rather crazy for men to marry. Heck even getting laid is risky, never mind the STDs you might just catch a false rape charge these days.
Do like big business does. Outsource. No way an Asian or South American calls rape and they're in good shape and traditional generally. Just find one who talks English and you're golden, if you have huge worries about Western women. Failing that, go country. City women are filled with terrible advice and information, country girls tend to have their head's screwed on right, usually more realistic and well raised
Being raised by people when times were more conservative and wisdom was the rule rather than the norm.
PM me if you want and we can carry on this convo there. I sent you a request. I don’t want her seeing this and having to listen about racism in the 40’s and 50’s. Yeah it happened. Yeah it was wrong, but it’s 2018 now and all this perceived racism these days is nothing more than entitlement and an excuse to act like a turd. But yeah, being raised by people who are around 80 or so today or who were still very much traditional in the 60’s is what’s needed. The way forward is backwards.
Wow. . . . yeah I said you should think of yourself as a pro athlete. You've clearly taken a few blows to the head. Had your brains fucked out, haven't you? Too stupid to READ? Wow. Sorry to hear that. Sucks for you. Or you sucked too much. It's a shame when veterans are all busted out, leathery and ragged with soup for brains.
Did you just laugh at your own terrible joke. . . ? Fuck sakes. You're like a bitch licking her own stinking asshole.
I get why you're so obsessed with mutilated dick. It reminds you of what you know, all you can get to fuck you is your vibrator because you're a brainless, slutty, insufferable cunt and nobody can be around you for more than 5 minutes, and you don't even shut the fuck up long enough to let a dude concentrate to nut in that time.
And if a dude DID get fucked up and take up position in your stench trench, you're so slapped out and used up you couldn't find an orgasm if your life depended on it.
If you've ever changed your mind completely, just because, not for any reason you can or want to explain, but just because. . . . . then you understand why women divorce men more than the other way around. It's really that simple.
I love sniffing out an aggressive, man-hating lesbian trying to push herself on a heterosexual girl. Back off now she-beast, thou shalt find no snizz here, this isn't for you. The power of dick compels you! The power of dick compels you! We recognise you as fair competition trying to sneak your way into panties, we recognise your efforts she-beast, but nay, to no avail, thou shan't be successful! Flee now, away with you, find a hurly burly girlie. The power of dick compels you!
Use your pussy to pin someone to the ground or the wall. Go ahead. Try it. Use it to choke someone. Use it to smack someone in the cheek. Poke someone with it. Go ahead and make a guy pregnant. Give someone something hard to squirm on. Dick has no power, BULLSHIT!!! That's what girls are attracted to about it! Look at its veiny, muscle-bound turgidity! It's a giant throbbing flesh cannon and you know it!!!
You have a husband. And kids. Jesus Christ. I hope you have no sons. Your message is terrible.
You were playing a strong neg-heavy flirt game so you say you're not a lesbian, okay, but I don't believe for a second you're not into girls. Game recognises game sweetheart.
Ah I don't know, I'm fucking around, didn't seem like she's taking it seriously. You're level-headed, I've seen your responses before, you bring intellect when you speak.
No. Not at all, I left that close-ended, I wasn't intending to pursue things further. Mostly because as amazing as my dick is, it doesn't push through the device to the other side, and it can't teleport yet either. It's powerful, but it doesn't have superpowers. Not yet anyway. I just agreed with her point. You just paid credence to my point by the way, game recognises game, you immediately thought sex.
I hope you have a nice day too, I genuinely mean that. You have a lot of anger, and hopefully nice days will help melt that out of you, because you aren't nice right now. You're goinf exism
No. Not at all, I left that close-ended, I wasn't intending to pursue things further. Mostly because as amazing as my dick is, it doesn't push through the device to the other side, and it can't teleport yet either. It's powerful, but it doesn't have superpowers. Not yet anyway. I just agreed with her point. You just paid credence to my point by the way, game recognises game, you immediately thought sex.
I hope you have a nice day too, I genuinely mean that. You have a lot of anger, and hopefully nice days will help melt that out of you, because you aren't nice right now. You're goinf exism
How did you derive sound from text. . . ? 😮 You're hearing the voices again, aren't you Susan? It's happening again, isn't it dear? You delusional cunt.
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