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Most men these days don’t prefer virgins.
If a guy wants to marry a virgin, I’d ask why. If it’s a religious thing, I understand his perspective but he also needs to be a virgin, otherwise he’s a dumb little hypocrite.
If he just wants to marry a virgin “cuz MeN n WoMeN r DiFfEreNt” then yes, most certainly he’s a sexist pathetic incel, and a hater.
Agree
So is my future husband not allowed to appreciate being my first man?
@marish01 ? Yes? But are his reasons valid and reasonable (like him being a virgin as well) or are they based on ignorance and control?
So if the man is a non virgin but prefers a virgin then he is ignorant or loves control?
What if my man absolutely gets happy when I tell him I saved myself for him because I want to ever be intimate only with the man I create a family and kids.
Is my reason shallow? If no then his reason for valuing it is not shallow either. I see no ignorance and control here.
Nothing natural can be misogynistic. This notion of denying millions of years of evolution and the natural roles that men and women were designed for and replacing it with some artificial construct based on feel good delusional fantasy is part of the cancel culture that is a malignant cancer on the human race.
There are evolutionary reasons why men prefer virgins. No amount of faddish reality denial will change that.
It's nature not mysogyny.
Nailed it!
You know what else is natural? Cancer! 😊 Doesn't make it good does it? Oh and by the way it's in the human dna for both genders to seek as many partners as possible and have as many babies with as many different partners as possible. The whole monogamy thing is an old outdated artificial creation by old Abrahamic religions.
@vald9inches If monogamy was truly outdated and only exclusive to Abrahamic religions, then you wouldn't have non-Abrahamic religion followers getting married or get into monogomous relationships. That also includes Atheists. Sorry apl, but your comparison with cancer is flawed. Cancer is a disease, not a mindset with a biological explanation that stems thousands of years back.
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@truthbringernot oh please no more no more! I yield! I yield!!
The verdict is in:
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Did anyone hear a fly buzzing around?
No man hates women as much as feminists hate themselves.
Men are allowed to marry whomever they choose.
Women who have a problem with men who prefer to marry women that haven't been promiscuous are obviously just insecure about their own situations.
Women who are virgins would be fine with men who appreciate that.
I think the concept of virginity is harmful and to prefer a virgin over someone who has had sex is a perverse mindset that objectifies women. It’s also just plain stupid. I’m not saying guys can’t have their preferences but if I was a woman I’d know a res flag when I see one and a guy fixated on virginity is a huge red flag, I’d stay the fuck away.
Like Fr it’s kinda creepy if ur THAT fixated on virginity..
@Distants some people think that way
So you think if my husband values my virginity (which I want him to) he objectifies me?
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@Archerer Virginity status has absolutely nothing to do with objectification. That's like saying you're objectifying a woman if they're a certain religion or political party. Virginity isn't a sexual thing. Just because someone is a virgin that doesn't make them more sexually appealing than someone who isn't.
@Jamie05rhs to some guys if is appealing.
Snd I am glad you understood that wanting a virgin wife doesn't mean objectifying her
@marish01 Yes, if your husband would think you have less value because you aren’t a virgin then it’s like an object losing value because it had a previous owner. The “value” of virginity is made up. Fake. Poppycock.
@marish01 To be clear, a women who thinks her virginity gives her more value is just as misled. I’m sorry you won’t ever understand that, either the damage is done or it will be too late when you finally discover the truth.
@marish01 What happens when your husband fucks you then leaves you? What of your “value” then? It’s sad to think where your mind would be, thinking your virginity was what made you valuable, and to no longer have it because your husband “took” it from you, and your next partner to think lower of you because you’ve been laid before. How sad and pathetic, barbaric and just wrong. I hope for your sake if you do divorce you don’t think you are worth any less than you are pre coitus, and instead understand as I do, that it doesn’t really mean shit. Sorry you’ve been taught to put virtue in your virginity.
@Jamie05rhs I agree, it doesn’t make anyone more or less appealing. My point was that it is disgusting for those that it does.
I say no, It's not a big matter for me if I see my future wife lost her virginity before marriage, because she had her own life before me and I can't do anything to change that but if she was virgin and never used her vagina before I respect her I will try to make her first experience the best.
I mean virginity isn't a "need" It's an option for how important marriage means for her or he
Not at all. For example, it shows great self control and restraint to be able to stay a virgin in this day and age. Men who prefer virgins could be valuing those values.
I think they value the mother material in her.
Perhaps that as well. That is just my opinion.
I just wanted to ask a question. Do you realise that your question implies that men can not be feminists?
Which is absolutely not true. Both men and women can be feminists. This very different from being feminine.
Being a feminist is more about supporting equality for women. It has nothing to do with sexuality.
A man who is a feminist may prefer to marry a woman who is a virgin.
My question is "Is a guy who wants to marry a virgin a misogynist?"
Personally, whether a woman has had sex before marriage doesn't mean much to me, but one who isn't very choosey does. I think that would be natural because of health concerns. However, because of no experience at all, I may choose not to be with a virgin.
Simple
I will marry a virgin and I am virgin and that is my opinion.
Each one has their own taste and decide if it is right or not.
I think that finding a girl (or guy) more attractive the more lack of experience than the more experience it's a preference. The same the other way.
The only thing I find... off-putting? - I'm not sure if that's the word - is that some guys talk in a way it sounds like they had the right to demand a virgin. I personally hold the believe that one shouldn't demand more than one can give. Therefore if a virgin guy only wants a virgin girl, seems legit to me he would reject any non virgin. However when a guy is non virgin, I find hypocritical if he demands a virgin and rejects girls who have the same amount of experience as him. It's ok if you prefer a virgin, but if you are not one yourself, you are no one to demand it.
Also it's sexist if you hold a different standard based on sex. The word would be sexist, not mysogynist. And only in case of the people holding a double standard.
" It's ok if you prefer a virgin, but if you are not one yourself, you are no one to demand it."
Are you aware that you're telling men what and who they should prefer and when they have no right to make personal choices?
I say you and they, so I'm telling people, not only men. If a woman is in these same circumstances I apply same rules.
Also I want I said is that men that who have slept with more people they can count with their hands, can prefer virginity but not demand it or have a demanding attitude. So there's difference between demand and prefer here, is a matter of attitude. Is the difference between "I like virgins more" and "I deserve a virgin".
But in the end not only they have the right to prefer whatever (the same way women can prefer whatever), they can keep beign demanding (the same way some women are demanding as well).
I just wanted to point out is weird when a person says they would settle only for a virgin and place value in virginity for their partner when they live a promiscuous life themselves. If you value something you value it in yourself as much as in others, not in other people except yourself.
Also I have this doubt. First, are you a virgin? And if you are, do you value your partner to be virgin as well? If you don't, why do you value virginity in yourself but not in your partner? If you do value virginity in yourself as much as in your partner you don't need to answer the last one. Also if you aren't a virgin you can obvious all the questions.
Do you think a virgin is too good for a promiscuous person?
If no then this shouldn't be a problem.
And I'm a virgin. I would want him to appreciate my choice for picking him to be the only one. I mean it would be stupid if I wanted him to not care about being my first, right?
Think about it. I am saving myself for my husband because that is the only type of relationship that I want to involve sex. (A huge turn on). Why would I want the man I have been saving myself for to think it is meaningless to take my virginity?
I think that if we are giving value to virginity, beign not a virgin becomes less valuable. If we don't value virginity then nothing has more or less value.
Now, I understand how you value virginity in yourself. I also believe you didn't understand the question. I'd rephrase it another way and try to be less complex. The question is, do you expect your man to also wait like you do or would you take a promiscuous man despite you would be doing a greater love demonstration by wating for him than the one he'd be doing by not having waited for you at all?
I expect him to abstain for me while we're dating.
I think I mentioned this on this thread
By abstain do you mean virgin or not? It's confusing if you don't say virgin and instead talk about abstinence. You see, a man or a woman can be promiscuous but choose to stop having sex and abstain for a person. But abstaining after having several parrners doesn't make them equal to virgins, as they haven't waited for a person the same way the virgin person has waited for them.
Yes. Which is why I mentioned abstinence instead of virginity.
I want him to abstain for me after dating me
So you value virginity in yourself, but don't care if the other person is a virgin. Is that what you mean?
Yes as long as he appreciates being my first and wants me to be his one and only
Well, technically you would be 17th and last or something like that, while him your first and only. But if that's ok with you, then fine.
I should thank you, because you have a different perspective of life than me and you've bothered to explain. It's always nice to get to know different ways to think. Thanks.
Thanks. I like expressing my views on different topics including personal ones.
@AlienParasite if you're so worried about double standards you dont find men who are more successful than you attractive right? I mean that would be very sexist if a man who was doing well in that area was attractive to you. Same if he's stronger than you physically. If you want a strong fit man you better be a fitness model. Otherwise you better not find that attractive because you would be very sexist.
@bamesjond0069 Finding attractive is not sexist, what is sexist - or at least hypocritical - is treating a person of the opposite gender as inferior when they are in our exact situation, only because of beign from that sex.
For example, is very normal if an obese woman who doesn't take care of herself at all finds attractive a fit man who works out everyday. What's attractive is attractive. However if she rejects a fat man who looks as overweight as her for beign overweight, while demanding fit boys to find her attractive or if she's saying overweight females models are attractive but overweight men aren't... well I don't know if there's another word better than hypocritical or sexist to define this behavior. If there's a better word tell me, as I'm not English native.
@AlienParasite You're absolutely right.
Well a less fit person is inferior to an out of shape one. A less successful person is inferior to a more successful one. Someone who lost their virginity is inferior to someone who hasn't. It doesn't matter who what when where why, this is always true. Whether its an obese crackhead with stds or mr/mr perfect, the person viewing the other person doesn't change them. Factually they are fit or successful or a virgin or whatever.
@bamesjond0069 those are the things feminists condemn men for wanting in a partner.
No. He just prefers that. My experience is that women prefer an experienced man to a virgin man, women want a man that other women want and is successful with other women. Thats why for so many young guys busting their virginity can vmbe such a hurddle.
I was dating a virgin chick for a while and it was fun because she was mad to explore everything position even including anal. She didn't like anal but tried it in every postion. With that first orgasm she was so grateful.
Because traditionally women haters call women sluts in a bias way for no reason. And then go on ranting how they need a "pure breed" and just weird stuff about how they can only like a virgin. That's the answer to why this would be thought.
I honestly couldn't care less to how many the girl has slept with longs if she is clean and don't cheat.
For me ideally I prefer a girl to be a virgin, it’s not exactly a great quality if a girl has slept around with 10 different dudes in a span of a decade. I would think a girl would want the same. I’m in my early 30s and I’ve had opportunities to have sex with different attractive girls but I declined. That essentially led to girls being mad at me
and cut communication. I don’t care if I find a girl and she admits that hey I had 2 bfs in the past I did have sex with him I was young and immature and you are the guy I want to be with. If a girl reassures me that lifestyle doesn’t exist anymore then I’m cool with that.
Id prefer to marry a virgin, but Im not a virg. up to you if im misogynist or not.
I just feel like when a woman gets fucked many times, her value decreases
Oh and by the way, imagine kissing a girl whos had cocks in her mouth before 🤢 fuckin cock suckers
So I'll also assume I'll pass on you because you're not a virgin. Sexual bonding is stronger with a virgin man.
@Ayanna240 how is it stronger with a virgin man? I lost my virginity with a prostitute and it instantly increase my value, I get more respected
Well being the first lady that my boyfriend has ever seen naked makes me feel special. Being first vagina for him to enter makes me feel special too.
@Ayanna240 k i get it, thats your thing. Well, I dont care about bonding with a chick haha i just want to fuck her brutally so idgaf
you agree with me too. you just said :
I just feel like when a woman gets fucked many times, her value decreases
@Ayanna240 yeah but a virgin guy should feel ashamed lol wtf just put your cock in as many vaginas as possible whats ur problem
well my family wants me to marry a virgin guy. They think sex is holy and should only be after marriage.
@Ayanna240 Ooo ok are you a christian? Im a satanist, which is the opposite basically
I’ll pass on u your value has dimished since u lost ur virginity. 🤢
Dont you get it? Couples that have been married to their first have been doing it wrong. The more people you have slept with the higher your worth is.
People may only marry once they have both achieved escort worker level. That is the key to a longlasting relationship.
@darkfoxjj Actually, it's men's value that seem to increase in the eyes of other men and women when they have had sex with more people, while it is the opposite for women in both the eyes of men and women. So that rule only applies for men. This has a biological reason
I feel sad for this kid lol he really has no idea
@darkfoxjj "The more people you have slept with the higher your worth is."
Nah. The more people you have slept with the lower your worth is because you are so trashy that shared the most intimate thing with many people
@marish01 Very well said!
"Nah. The more people you have slept with the lower your worth is because you are so trashy that shared the most intimate thing with many people"
You just said you would marry a man who has a used up dick.
Preference I guess is fine as long as non virgins aren't harshly judged every time. I know many gals sleep around like crazy and then settle for a simp but also, some have serious relationships that then have to be broken up for certain circumstance. Imagine judging a girl for being a non virgin then learning her ex of 5 years died in car accident that also left her with a broken arm. Yah. That shit exists. So think before ya judge.
Last time I looked, misogyny meant a man who hates -- HATES -- or is prejudiced against women. That would be ALL women. If you only want to marry a virgin, that doesn't mean you hate all non-virgins, it just means you choose not to marry one. Are you "prejudiced" against non-virgins? In a certain sense, yes, but you're still not prejudiced against ALL women.
Misogyny is an overused word
I don't know about that. I don't hear it used much in my circle, and it doesn't compare to the misuse and overuse of the word "literally". LOL
I’d say many guys who you think fit that category do. They may not come right out and say they hate them or are prejudice, but they are.
@ShootShootBangBang then that's my type of man
@ShootShootBangBang This doesn't occur in a vacuum, or for no reason at all - a fact that feminists, including male ones such as yourself, conveniently forget to mention.
@msc545 It sounds like she's lobbying for the idea that a man who wants to marry a virgin is viewed, or should be viewed, by "others" as a misogynist, and that's fine by her - it's her kind of guy. I don't get the whole point, do you?
No he shouldn't be viewed as someone who hate women.
Prefering one woman over the other doesn't mean hating all women
Right. That's what I said in my first answer. I just don't know how you're associating misogyny with this, and to whom?
I don't think they are necessarily misogynist, but they often seem to have a kind of old-fashioned paradigm.
I don't really understand the obsession with virginity.
I suppose sharing your first time could be nice. I just think young women have so many options that betting on her staying with you is a bit optimistic. Maybe she wants to sample the sausage buffet during her youth?
I don't know about others but I'd really be upset if the man I am about to marry says he doesn't care that I chose him to be the first and last man for me
It's flattering, but TBH also a tad creepy. It's the kind of thing teen girls tell their pop star idols. I'd rather she didn't make promises like that and instead just showed love for me.
@denial1984 I saved my virginity for you, so you best respect and appreciate that, motherfucker!
@Levin Lolol
It's not a teen thing. I want to create my family and the only man I want to be intimate with is my husband. I don't know how marriage is a teen thing.
I understand what you mean. It's more the idea that you can know in advance that I am weary of. I believe something like 50% of marriages fail in my country. So I just find it overly optimistic to make big promises of devotion upfront. As I said, I would rather that she show me right now that she loves me than that she tells me she will love me five, ten years from now.
But in your country 97% of people have sex before marriage lol. No wonder why marriages fail.
I find this so funny.😁
People and especially feminists can find misogyny in everything!
You can value virginity and be a misogynist or you may chase after the sluttiest women your whole life and still be called a misogynist so I say f*uck it you do you and don't listen what others have to say!
You should date sluts and say promiscuity is empowering if you want feminists to praise you
I have a friend that only likes sluty promiscuous women and still feminists call him a misogynist because he likes promiscuous women!
Kisses? 🤢
Feminists base their decisions and the "truth" on what they feel at that moment. And we all know how unstable they are
I think it's mysiginistic to want to marry a virgin if you've slept with a ton of women. If you've only had sex a few times it's different. I know of one guy who wants to marry a virgin and feels ashamed he isn't one. He was engaged and had sex with her, then she died in a car crash. He's sad because he won't be a virgin walking down the aisle.
How wanting one type of women means hating all women?
It's not respectful of wo. en.
Of which women?
Women in general.
You are wrong a man's preferences of a wife doesn't offend women in general.
Do you have a preference for women? If yes then you disrespect women in genersl. Your logic
Saying you prefer virgins while having no intention or desire to remain one either is the issue I have with it
How does that show no respect for women in general
Feminists have brainwashed you
When a man wants a high quality feminists call him a misogynist. Why? Because feminists are insecure about not being high quality women themselves
High quality =/= virginity. Wanting your first time with a virgin is fine. Afterwards it shouldn't matter. Not that body count is wholly unimportant, just that you shouldn't seek out only virgins.
It is high quality when a girl wants to be intimate only with the man whom she loves mutually and wants to have kids.
If you have the same values as her it's fine, but don't expect a woman with those values to essentially have a man whore
@Twalli I think you should research the meaning of misogyny before assigning it to men who happen to have a specific standard. With that logic, the majority of women are misandrist for wanting a guy over 6''0 since the majority of men are under 6''0
@TruthBringer that's different. Virginity is generally a choice. Height isn't because it can't be changed.
@Twalli And that's the problem. it's seems acceptable for women to shame men on things they can't control like height or the size of their penis. Somehow that isn't being labaled as sexist or misandristic. But don't you dare leave a comment on women's butt, boob or forehead sizes. Because you will be labeled as a "sexist misogynist". Hell, even if you comment on things they can control like their weight will get you heavy backlash
@Twalli I feel for the dude. But engaged or not, he shouldn't have had sex before marriage. In his case, I think he should marry a widow. (I honestly don't see why he would even still want a virgin if he isn't one.)
@Jamie05rhs probably because he still believes you should only have sex with one person, your spouse for your entire life. Technically she was going to be his wife.
Well, I understand that. But he failed in that goal, unfortunately. So I say just roll with it and make the best out of the situation he's in. He can't undo what happened.
So you shame mrn for wanting virgins because virginity is a choice?
But think it's fine to shame short guys because height is not a choice?
I find men who fuck everything that moves who want to marry virgins misogynists because they don't respect women. Women who have height requirements (not preferences) are shallow. If you can make a choice or change something it's not shallow to seek the same. I am not w virgin and if I don't end up marrying my girlfriend (whom I gave my virginity to) I won't look for a virgin. I may find one, but it isn't my intention to find one.
@Twalli I respect you, man.
How prefering one type of woman for MARRIAGE means HATING ALL WOMEN?
Explain that hatred
Not hating all women hating women as a collective.
@Twalli Still no valid reason to call these men "misogynists" as a true misogynist hates women a whole. Regardless of them being virgins or not. A man can have a preference and it's up to him to act on that preference. I don't see how men who aren't virgins, but choose to get with virgins are "misogynists". That term is so loosely thrown, it has become ridiculous
@TruthBringer Inagree, but ti say bv they hate all women is wrong. They hate women as a collective rather than multiple individuals.
I agreee with you @Jamie05rhs and @Twalli i also dont understand when people say that everyone can have preferences but also cuckshame men for dating/marrying non virgin women/ women with high bodycount. I also think there is a difference between physical and sexual preferences. I respect the physical preferences of men who want beautiful tall curvy fit blond women for example since you can't change your body but virginity is a choice. If a person can't manage to remain virgin and so sleep around, then this person is a hypocrite for wanting virgins.
@hi_it_is_me123 so judging people based on their choice is wrong but judging then for the things they were born with is right?
@hi_it_is_me123 I also don't believe in shaming guys who choose to marry girls who are not virgins. Some of my best friends actually did that, and I respect their choices. It's just not for me, personally.
@marish01 I did not say, we should judge anyone for their appearance i just think that you can have physical preferences but that does not mean you should shame on/judge people for their appearance. I also think it is hypocritical when someone cuckshame men who date non virgin/promiscuos women but als except people to accept his/her (sexual) preference for virgin although he/(she) ain't a virgin.
I personally only would date/marry a virgin like me. 😅
I mean if you want people to not judge your sexual preference for virgins, then you should not shame on others people's sexual preference for non virgin/promiscuos women (/men), otherwise it is hypocritical to me. In the end you can date/marry non virgin or even promiscuos men as long as you dont except other virgin women to date nonvirgin/promiscuos men.
I also recognize that virgin men get shamed which is also not ok. My boyfriend has been shamed for being virgin for example.