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Is a guy who wants to marry a virgin a misogynist? (Page 3)
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No. It's just a preference. Also, some guys that want to marry a virgin woman are also virgins themselves. If both are waiting for marriage, then I don't see the problem. It's only a problem if one wants to wait and the other doesn't.
Does a non virgin man not deserve a virgin girl?
A non virgin man can marry a girl that is a virgin. He would just have to be in agreement to wait like she is. Like I said above, it's only a problem if they aren't in agreement. But I would hope that waiting would be their personal choice rather than it being from family members.
Lol you make a good point
The only problem comes when the guy is not one himself. If you’re guilty then don’t expect the innocent.
This!
@yads_is_back You'd be surprised how many virgin women get with non-virgin men. Afterall, this is only a preference. If a non-virgin man gets with a virgin woman and knows how to treat her well, all power to him I'd say.
@TruthBringer True. But I won’t take a hypocrite and not being a whore is essential to me. Men can be whores, but not for me 👌🏼No thanks. I’m not another chick in the book.
But yes, people do and accept all kinds of stuff they shouldn’t
But look at the facts. Women initiate most divorce. Not saying it’s right but it’s a point. Women also have the advantage in dating. Men get the short end of the stick.
@yads_is_back Very true
Not a misogynist, but they’re unrealistic lol. Not a lot of girls are virgins these days because people are doing away with old religious values like that. There’s not many instances where a request like this would be granted.
Few women are like me. I know
Didn’t know that you were one but yeah, there are few woman like you.
Youngers girls are more likely to be virgins so your argument is false.
Okay
@StarryCrossing You are right. We are a very small minority. That's the main thing that makes it harder for virgins to find other virgins.
I’m glad you think so
Do you think it would be better if the only sexual partner I will ever have valued my choice of saving myself for him or didn't value it?
There is absolutely zero correlation between a person wanting to marry a virgin being a misogynist
Last time I checked, a misogynist is a guy who hates women. A guy who wants to marry a virgin is just a guy who wants to marry a virgin. Assuming the virgin he wants to marry is ALSO a woman, it's probably safe to assume he likes women.
This question is a double edged sword so to speak. Just in my observation of feminist they call men misogynistic no matter if the value virginity in women or if they like slutty women.
Modern day feminist have gone so far away from the original values that feminist held before them. Modern feminist are nothing but man haters
The whole virgin thing comes from very old and outdated abrahamic religions. One of those religions is islam one of the most if not the most female oppressive religion that has ever existed! The whole notion of a young girl staying a virgin is for the perverted pleasure of sheep herding old men. I mean just the idea that a woman's value or any person is defined whether they are virgins or not is absurd... 🤦🏻♂️
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@hi_it_is_me123 👏👏
Ah so I oppresses myself because I want yo lose my virginity ti the man who loves and whom I love
So self humiliating 😨
@marish01 That's completely fine! Everyone has to lose their virginity sometime! Lol and it's your right to "save" your virginity for that special someone. But every person on earth who has lost their virginity knows ITS NOTHING SPECIAL! It's like taking a shit or any other bodily function. But to criticize others who didn't want to "save" their virginity is hypocritical because at the end of the day it's all just preference.
This ^^ 👏
@Distants ^^
@truthbringer retard
If the hadiths are wrong why do 1.6 billion muslim follow hadiths then?
Holy shit. I never knew that virginity was only for an old mans pleasure. That’s fucking sick
@Ayanna240 it is for men who are turned off by the idea of marrying women who had sex with random guys
@marish01. They are not turned off. You aren’t turned off by men who has slept with other women. You respect non Virgin women
You’re just contradicting yourself all over the place. Quit your lies.
I had a guy who couldn’t even get through the 3rd date with out touching and having sex with me. Yet he insisted that he only marry virgins. He told me that he just likes being the first guy to enter his wife. Yet he doesn’t think he needs to be a Virgin himself. Basically he can enjoy fucking around while women can’t
so yes, generally if a guy insists that she should be a Virgin usually is sexist or misogynistic to a certain extent
Does a non virgin man not deserve a virgin girl?
@marish01 I don’t see why he would judge someone else for not being Virgin , if he isn’t one himself. Double standards?
He prefers not judges
@marish01 well he can prefer but has no right to judge or insist on only having virgins. If he insists , then it means he’s a misogynist
That's a pretty dumb and perverted preference if you ask any sane person lmfao it's like saying a guy has preference for 9 year old girls. Where is the value in virginity? It feels better? For how many times? The first time the second time? Till when? Or maybe if a girl is a virgin they are easier to control and manipulate because they don't have any experience or know what options she has.
@vald9inches it is the fact that he will be my first and last man.
It is his appreciation for being the chosen one.
How can a manipulate a girl who says no to sex before marriage?
@vald9inches I will tell you why some people are like this:
they are always raised in a family who brainwashed them to think that they should only respect virgins rather than non virgins. It is a brainwashed teaching just like religion. By the time you are born, you are taught that you should marry a virgin because non virgins are somehow unclean or disgusting or impure- which doesn't really make sense.
Back then during the 1800s, a non virgin woman was considered unwedable. It is because a man cannot own a woman if she has lost her virginity. A similar example is opening a soda can. Once you open the soda can, you cannot close it back up. The person who opened the soda can and took a sip, now owns the soda can. Now you can't take a sip.
When these people tell you "i only want to marry a virgin because i want the first time sex to be something special only between both of us".
What they actually are trying to say is :
you cannot own someone if someone else has already taken their virginity.
@marish01 if I have to explain to you how an older man can manipulate a young girl I am afraid you have to do some more life learning.
"they are always raised in a family who brainwashed them to think that they should only respect virgins rather than non virgins."
There are so many non virgins that I respect
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By the time you are born, you are taught that you should marry a virgin because non virgins are somehow unclean or disgusting or impure- which doesn't really make sense."
Wrong. I want to marry a non virgin
@Ayanna240 I think it more equivalent to saying if a person opens and drinks a soda can then the whole factory is no longer clean lmfao. But seriously that's the whole problem and brainwashing thing. They normalize the idea of female slavery/ownership. If two virgins (I can't believe there is an actual word to describe a person who hasn't had sex yet lmfao) want to lose their "virginity" to each other fine. But to make a whole religion and value system which does not apply to men is absurd
@vald9inches a young girl? We are talking about virgins
@marish01 which includes a lot of young girls. The whole tradition of marrying virgin girls dates back more than two thousand years when older men often married young virgin girls. Also even you are an adult and a virgin you can still be manipulated because you have less experience naturally so you are also easier to manipulate.
@vald9inches If you open a can and drink from it, its no longer new. And it can't be shared with others. Be honest: would you drink from a can that someone else had already drank out of?
@Jamie05rhs be honest with yourself isn't comparing a live conscious thinking human being to a liquid enclosed in a aluminum can absurd?
@vald9inches some people compare themselves with cars but you don't mind it because they use that analogy in defense if sex before marriage
@mariah01 why do you think that is? Lol because specifically the side that argues for the value of a human being depends on their virginity use simple analogies like food or a drink to mostly describe the female body. So they fight fire with fire and use simple analogies in the defense of non virgins lol pretty simple really...
@vald9inches You're the one who made that analogy. I was just correcting it.
@vald9inches but do you even condemn the car analogy?
@vald9inches how can a man manipulare a virgin more easily?
Bring up an example
@Jamue05rhs when did I make that analogy?
@marish01 I do condemn any analogies that compare human beings to objects yes.
And like I said if I have to give you an example of how you can manipulate a virgin more easily you need more life learning. But fine here is an example that comes to the top of my head. When you are a virgin and have sex for the first time you will most likely develop deep feelings for the person you had sex with and lost your virginity to. You then essential put them up on a high pedestal to be worshiped and will therefore be at the mercy of what they tell you what to do. They have become your master and you their slave
@Jamie05rhs Jamie hun. We don’t see humans like open or closed soda cans. Only you see humans like soda cans. Penises can get washed. Ejaculation cleans the penis of dirty stuff and toxins from the inside out.
The vagina releases discharge which cleans it from the inside out. If you wash your vagina , it will be clean.
If you’re free from stds, you are clean. Nothing terrible will come out of having sex with a clean non Virgin.
The only difference between non Virgin and virgins is just a thin piece of tissue hymen laying over the entrance of the vagina. For males , the only difference is him knowing what sex feels like.
@Jamie05rhs the only reason why you value virginity so much is because you believe in sexual ownership. If you take someone’s virginity , you feel like you own the person.
Well, the rest of us don’t operate on those terms. We don’t have an ego where we only are interested in those who we can own sexually.
This itself is wrong.
Wash your vagina with a soup and water all the way up 😂
Then it will be clean. Just as clean as the penis after shower.
@Ayanna240 Yes, I do believe in sexual ownership. I believe in marriage, and ownership is a part of that. You belong to each other.
@Jamie05rhs in my perspective , you don’t need to own someone sexually in order to be the most prized person in your life. When the rest of us marry, we marry the person and we own them as a person until death or divorce. We don’t need to own them sexually or whatever ridiculous BS you come up with. To the rest of us, the most important thing is to marry the person, not the sexual organ
@Ayanna240 But their sexuality is a big part of who they are. And sexuality is integral to the whole concept of relationships. I don't know anyone who would commit their life to someone without the sexual factor as part of the bargain.
@Jamie05rhs sexual ownership just feels exactly the same as a slave owner owning slaves. It’s all about control and ego and ownership.
In my perspective , marriage is less about ownership but more about an official partnership throughout life where you both care for each other through thick and thin.
Virginity has a very dark past. In the 1800s a woman’s virginity was the only valuable possession she has because a woman was worthless without a husband back then. Men were supposed to “own” women. Women were property, not human beings. So if a man cannot take the seal off a woman, she can’t belong to him.
Personally I think Such thinking is wrong and honestly devalues the worth of women. Nobody should be seen as an object or worthless simply because they lost a flimsy worthless hymen over the vagina
@Ayanna240 No. Slavery is one-sided. Relationships are 2-sided. No one person is the Master.
@Jamie05rhs people have so much to offer. They can make you happy, do so much for others around them, make the communities and world a happier better place to live in.
Why base someone’s worth simply due to a hymen?
It’s just immoral
"In my perspective , marriage is less about ownership but more about an official partnership throughout life where you both care for each other through thick and thin.". I agree with you. And I don't believe that men should own women, either.
@Ayanna240 I don't give a damn about anyone's hymen. I only care about what's in her heart.
@Jamie05rhs your obsession with virgins is due to your desire to “own” your wife. You don’t like the fact that you can’t own your wife’s vagina sexually
@Ayanna240 Sorry; I didn't see your comment earlier.
No, I do not want to own my wife. But her body should be for me and me only. Just as mine is for her. That's the whole point of exclusivity.
@Jamie05rhs marriage is supposed to be exclusive. Cheating is never right. But I do not believe in owning my husband's penis by insisting on taking his virginity. This itself is egotistical and ridiculous. If i love a man for the person that he is, I will marry him. I don't define someone's worth with something as ridiculous as a hymen. My husband can be the best, kindest person on earth who can make huge contributions to society. Why would i think any less of him just because he understands what sex feels like?
You can believe anything you want. but I will not participate in such ridiculous views.
@Jamie05rhs
A good person who is good person prior to losing her virginity, will be a good person after losing her virginity.
A great person at 18 years old will most certainly remain a great person by the time she is 80.
Virginity can be taken away from you. But greatness in a person can never be taken away.
@Ayanna240 thank you for that beautiful simple logic. How could anyone refute or argue with anything that you have said here! Bravo sister!
@vald9inches hun. I do this all day , everyday on here. This website attracts a lot of illogical people.
Is it slavery if my husband appreciates that I chose him to be my first man? 🤦♀️
@marish01 What is your obsession with first man? is finding the first man more important to you than finding the right man? You're obsessed with "first" because you are looking for ownership.
First and right are the same. I will choose the right man as my first man.
And possession is a huge turn on to me.
@marish01 Overwhelming majority of people do not marry their first love. It takes time to date several people before you find the right one. Just like it takes trying several different ice cream flavors to see which you like best. You just think first love is the right love because you have nothing else on your mind other than "ownership". Ownership is your only requirement.
The rest of us take a look at compatibility and personality which will lead to a much more satisfying marriage than yours
Majority of people are not happy.
Bad example.
And the idea of having a second sexual partner grosses me out.
I am turned on by possession. I belong to only 1 man and he belongs to me.
@Ayanna240 But she's not a good person if she lets some dude stick his dick in her when she's not even married to him. Wholesome people don't engage in that type of behavior.
"Overwhelming majority of people do not marry their first love. It takes time to date several people before you find the right one."
I agree with this. You don't necessarily marry the first person you date.
Which is why you shouldn't be getting sexual if you're just dating someone.
Also, again, it has nothing to do with the hymen. There are a lot of girls who haven't had vaginal intercourse yet but they still engage in all kinds of other nasty things.
@Ayanna240 sadly you are right about that. I just cannot comprehend how illogical people still argue even after you number out the logical steps for them and show them here 1 2 3 and then 4 follows after three like talking to a brickwall 🤦🏻♂️
@marish01 I belong to only one man too, which is my husband. My husband is the man who only belongs to me too. He is my possession. Who ever said that my husband was someone else's?
It is you who called it slavery.
What I want is mutual possession not slavery
@Jamie05rhs
"Which is why you shouldn't be getting sexual if you're just dating someone."
Well if you married someone you're sexually incompatible with, then you're doomed for life. The rest of us will end up marrying the right partners with right sexual chemistry.
" But she's not a good person if she lets some dude stick his dick in her when she's not even married to him. Wholesome people don't engage in that type of behavior."
You have no proof that having sex prior to marriage is evil. Because I have known so many of the kindest people i ever met who had sex while being unmarried. These are people even more kind hearted than you. They never shit on anyone or discriminate against anyone. Won't hurt a fly. They don't go online, accuse others of ridiculous things or bully people.
"Also, again, it has nothing to do with the hymen. There are a lot of girls who haven't had vaginal intercourse yet but they still engage in all kinds of other nasty things."
Well if any other sexual activity other than sex is considered "nasty" then your future wife is in for a sucky sexual partner. To the rest of us, there is nothing nasty about sexual activity. Sexual activity will just be the same prior to marriage, as after marriage. You don't turn into some new person after marriage. Its all in your imagination, manipulating you.
@vald9inches Its because the have been brainwashed to such a huge extent. @Jamie05rhs claims that he isn't interested in sexually owning women, but deep down inside his heart, he secretly still feel the need sexually owns his wife's vagina.
Trust me, these religious people are all in for very mediocre or even incompatible marriages. But they suck it up because their top priority is not marriage satisfaction, it is the idea of "owning" each other's sexual organs
Just take a look at how these people are against divorce, no matter how terrible the marriage is. It just shows that they are not looking for martial satisfaction but simply an arrangement so they can own each other. Its not about happiness or romance or compatibility. To them, its about control / ego and ownership
"It is you who called it slavery.
What I want is mutual possession not slavery"
So what? I am in mutual possession between by husband and I too. But I am not a control freak like you who feels the need to own her husband's penis. The control feak, ego maniac like you is why i called you a slave owner.
You are fir divorce because you don't have deep feelings for your partner. This is not surprising because you guys choose them based on how they fuck not based on your feelings for them.
@marish01 your marriage is bound to be doomed forever because you didn't chose to pick the right guy for you but you just married the first guy who came into your life. And no, i don't marry every guy i have sex with. I see who I am compatible with mentally, emotionally and sexually. This is why my marriage will be way better than yours.
I didn't say I will marry a random guy. But you chose to think so because that portays me in an unhappy future.
You do change my words so you will create a scenario on your head where I am in a loveless unhappy marriage.
Your last sentence prove that you crave for my unhappiness.
You don't sound like a happy wife. Why would you wish I end up being unhappy?
You married your husband because he fucked the best not because you had feelings for him.
If you loved him why would you try other men?
@marish01 there's absolutely no reason why your marriage will be better than mine because I check who I am compatible with mentally, emotionally and sexually. This is why my marriage will be way better than yours.
You only check your partner emotionally and mentally but not sexually.
So if you don't check the sexual aspect, your marriage will be doomed to fail or be unhappy. Because sex is a pretty big part of a marriage.
@marish01
"You married your husband because he fucked the best not because you had feelings for him."
I can fuck guys that i have feelings for. I can also fuck the guys that fuck the best. I can marry the man I have feelings for and also fuck the best.
are you jealous? see? i have much more options than you
"If you loved him why would you try other men?"
because as you can fall in love, people can also fall out of love which is why divorce is an option. I'm not like you, who is against divorce. You are so religious, that you would stay in an unhappy marriage just because your religion told you to do so. I'm definitely gonna be happier than you.
See another sign of your insecurity.
Look you want me to be jealous of you because you are insecure. Why would I be jealous of a woman who did what grosses me out? (sex without love)
Another sign of your insecurity you compared my happines with yours in a way that you compete with me. You said
"there's absolutely no reason why your marriage will be better than mine"
"I'm definitely gonna be happier than you"
This is very creepy yo be honest. A married woman acrs like a bitter child. This makes me feel sick to my stomach.
You said you had sex with many men. I did expect that because promiscuous eomen are usually very insecure, delusional and aggressive. I am sure being used by lots of men made them feel degraded which affected their mental health.
I have feelings for many guys. And your husband is only one of them.
I would envy a woman who has ever been attracted to only one man who is her husband. This is what turns me on about lust.
You feel all the lust you have ever had only for one man. This is how I will feel.
This is why I feel disgust for the idea of having sex with random guys or guys whom I have no feelings. Eww
I want only one man with everything I am.
By the way sexuality is linked to our personality.
If I love him very much that is also because our personalities allign.
Oh you made up another thing about me. 🤦♀️ you are seriously very annoying.
When did I say I am against divorce.
The only reason why I want to get and stay married is my HAPPINESS.
Look you do want me to live in an unhappy marriage when I am a random person but you are so insecure that imagining a random girl who is not like you can be unhappy makes your day.
How bitter one has to be to be like you?
@marish01
"Another sign of your insecurity you compared my happines with yours in a way that you compete with me. You said"
I am not competing with you. I am simply stating a fact that I get to check out a man sexually , emotionally, mentally, prior to marriage. And this fact helps me pick a more suitable husband for myself. You will just find yourself stuck in a marriage without sexual compatibility. You most likely won't ever have the best sex of your life.
"You said you had sex with many men. I did expect that because promiscuous eomen are usually very insecure, delusional and aggressive. I am sure being used by lots of men made them feel degraded which affected their mental health."
You have no proof that sexually active women are insecure, aggressive and delusional. I was never promiscuous but I definitely had a sex drive. And trust me, husband said that I'm the best thing thats ever happened to him. He says I'm therapeutic and im the only thing he communicates to about his feelings.
Are baseless, random accusations without evidence the only thing you can write up?
Look you changed my words again. O saud PROMISCUOUS WOMEN not sexually active women. Are you aware that you don't have to be promiscuous in order to be sexually active?
If you are why did you INTENTIONALLY regarded them as synonyms.
Once again, NON promiscuous women can be sexually active. Got it?
Here are some articles that show how women like you are more likely to have mental disorder
www.google.com/.../how-casual-sex-can-affect-our-mental-health%3famp
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3071095/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3752789/
Read and learn about you lol
It is you who made baseless assumptions about me
You did say you had sex with many men. Yes you are promiscuous.
I talked to many women like you. I know you are delusional because you made up things about me that aimed at portaying me in an unhappy marriage.
I will marry the only man I lust after/love with all my heart. I want to explore my sexuality only with him. This is the only man I want to ever be with.
@marish01
"If you are why did you INTENTIONALLY regarded them as synonyms."
YOU regarded them as synonyms. I was sexually active prior to marriage, NEVER PROMISCUOUS. I had sex with several guys before marriage, not a serial promiscuous person who had 10+ sexual partners. There is a difference that you refuse to recognize.
Here is what your first article said:
www.google.com/.../how-casual-sex-can-affect-our-mental-health%3famp
How Casual Sex Can Affect Our Mental Health
We're finally learning what hookups do to our psyche, for better or worse.
I NEVER HAD A HOOKUP. ALL MY SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS WERE INTIMATE WITH BFS OR FRIENDS. I NEVER LIKED HOOKUPS AND HAVE NEVER DONE THEM.
obviously you think that any girl who has sex before marriage, must like hookups. No she does not! And you only believe this due to what religion has brainwashed you to believe.
@marish01
Here is the response to your 2nd article:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3071095/
Sexual Behavior in Borderline Personality
I've had sex before marriage and I've been to the psychologist before. I was not diagnosed with borderline personality disorder or anything close to that.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3752789/
The Relationship Between Multiple Sex Partners and Anxiety, Depression, and Substance Dependence Disorders: A Cohort Study
My brother has engaged with many sexual partners prior to marriage, he's happily married with 2 kids and 1 daughter on the way. He has no mental illnesses , never needed therapy, great family man. I also don't have anxiety, depression or any of that shit. So whats your point?
Most people in the US engage in pre martial sex, so are you saying all of us need psychiatric meds? NO. Most of us do not visit psychologists.
Those article say PROMISCUOUS WOMEN are more likely to have mental disorders.
One example of yours doesn't refute this. Not to mention that you didn't prove you are mentally healthy. You could say anything lol.
In fact you did the opposite. You proved you have serious mental hangups.
A mentally healthy person doesn't make up baseless assumptions and wicked predications about others' lives because they have traditional views on marriage.
You showed that you really want me to be in an unhappy marriage and are still trying to console yourself that I will never be happier than you. Why do you want me to face unhappiness if you are mentally healthy?
This is wishful thinking and it is obvious you feel anger for me.
No way you would wish happiness to me because you are bitter and delusional.
You never stop confusing things.
I said PROMISCUOUS WOMEN in my previous comment and brought up the articles.
People who engage in premarital sex are not necessarily promiscuous.
Lets sum it up sexually active women are not necessarily promiscuous and people who engage in premarital sex are not necessarily promiscuous.
You said "Most people in the US engage in pre martial sex"
Yes and more than half of US marriages end in divorce.
I guess your method of checking compatiability for a happy marriage doesn't work.
I know why because If you feel like you should check compatibility in order to decide whether to be in a relationship or not they knew don't have initial feelings for that person because if you had you would not look for other options (other men/women)
Of course loveless relationships are going to be destroyed some day.
I wish everyone in this world regardless of what they wish for me to be in a happy relationship and never face any type of heartbreak. I am always excited to see happy couples
You only had sex within a committed relationship? (I highly doubt)
Why? If you believe there is nothing wrong about promiscuity? Why have you never had sex outside dating and marriage?
@marish01 YOU are the one who is mentally confused and disordered right now. You accused me of promiscuity. I was never promiscuous. I was definitely sexually active prior to marraige, but definitely not promiscuous. I have mentioned I only did fwbs with 5-6 people and dated a couple of other people. This does not prove I am promiscuous in any way shape or form, as I did not do hookups or any impersonal sex at all.
The CRAZY ONE IS YOU, accusing me of random shit , on the top of your lungs aggressively with such a deranged tone.
"A mentally healthy person doesn't make up baseless assumptions and wicked predications about others' lives because they have traditional views on marriage. You showed that you really want me to be in an unhappy marriage and are still trying to console yourself that I will never be happier than you. Why do you want me to face unhappiness if you are mentally healthy?"
this is why you're crazy. you're deranged and delusional. how are my assumptions baseless? I get to test out my man sexually , emotionally, and mentally before I marry him. I get to test out all 3 things. You only get to test out 2. SO THERE IS A BASE FOR MY ASSUMPTIONS. I will more likely pick the right partner than you SO I WILL BE HAPPIER.
Why on earth would you claim that my assumptions are baseless? have you gone insane? maybe you are insane.
"Those article say PROMISCUOUS WOMEN are more likely to have mental disorders.
One example of yours doesn't refute this. Not to mention that you didn't prove you are mentally healthy. You could say anything lol."
You have absolutely no proof that I have a mental disorder. Where is your proof? YOU NEVER HAD ANY. THIS IS WHY YOU'RE CRAZY
@marish01
"You never stop confusing things.
I said PROMISCUOUS WOMEN in my previous comment and brought up the articles.
People who engage in premarital sex are not necessarily promiscuous.
Lets sum it up sexually active women are not necessarily promiscuous and people who engage in premarital sex are not necessarily promiscuous."
You're so deranged and crazy that you CAN'T EVEN READ. I never engaged in hookups. I only had the same intimate sexual partners to satisfy my sexual needs. I never enjoyed having sex with as many people as possible. I had sex with people I appreciated and wanted in my life. Why don't you stop name calling and these desperate hateful accusations? you're so fucking crazy right now that you can't even read properly.
"You said "Most people in the US engage in pre martial sex"
Yes and more than half of US marriages end in divorce.
I guess your method of checking compatiability for a happy marriage doesn't work."
People like you do not divorce because you are religious. No sex prior to marraige is religious. No divorce after marriage is also religious. Someone like you would gladly stay in an unhappy marriage just to follow your traditional religion.
And trust me, there isn't anyone who would be willing to never have sex prior to marriage unless you are super religious. Its not something most people are comfortable or happy with.
Look you never stop making the same wrong assumptions about me because they feed your insecurity.
I did say I will get married and stay married only for happiness.
Yet you came back with the same baseless assumption that I will stay in an unhappy marriage.
I don't care about what most people want.
The idea of waiting for sex on a special day turns me on.
I don't want to just follow the instinct get naked and have sex for the sake of orgasm.
This is lame. I want it to be waited and dreamed.
I want dating and marriage be different. What is the meaning of getting married when you have lived like spouses?
I wouldn't want to have this lifestyle where you have to sleep with some guys for seeing with whom to continue the same lifestyle. Then live to see if there will be feelings and then get married.
This option is available but this option is uninteresting and colorless.
I don't want to even go on dates with any man because I don't have feelings for them as I don't see them the one I would like to be intimate.
And there is no way I would want to have sex without love. If I can't go on dates with men I don't feel any attraction how can I be sexually intimate?
All the desire I have in me are for the man I will create my family. I am turned on by possession and this special type if possession can be fillfilled onlh if I ever have one sexual partner. Thinking about having a second sexual partner goes against all my turn ons.
Everyone around me tells me that I should meet multiple men to decide whom to date but I can't force myself to do that without initial feelings.
Therefore if I ever get married and STAY married that will be because there is intense mutual love and passion between me and him.
You said "Most people in the US engage in pre martial sex"
Yes and more than half of US marriages end in divorce.
I guess your method of checking compatiability for a happy marriage doesn't work.
I know why because If you feel like you should check compatibility in order to decide whether to be in a relationship or not they knew don't have initial feelings for that person because if you had you would not look for other options (other men/women)
Of course loveless relationships are going to be destroyed some day.
"Well if you married someone you're sexually incompatible with, then you're doomed for life." @Ayanna240 Again, you're assuming that we would marry someone that we're not compatible with. No, we wouldn't. We would ascertain these things before getting married.
"You have no proof that having sex prior to marriage is evil.". I never said it was "EVIL." Just naughty.
"Well if any other sexual activity other than sex is considered "nasty" then your future wife is in for a sucky sexual partner.". @Ayanna240 You're so fucking dense. First of all, all sex is sex. Second of all, all sex is good. The point is, it's nasty doing those things to someone you're not married to. Because they're not family. You don't have a blood bond with them. You have no right to touch them in that way.
"You don't turn into some new person after marriage.". The relationship changes. It's a whole new stage of the relationship. Everyone knows this.
@marish01 I like everything you said. I think you're amazing, and I would date you myself except you don't want me since I'm a virgin like you.
"I NEVER HAD A HOOKUP. ALL MY SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS WERE INTIMATE WITH BFS OR FRIENDS.". LOL. @Ayanna240. See? They weren't even all boyfriends.
@Jamie05rhs they don’t need to be all boyfriends. Humans are supposed to have a sex drive. Being deprived of sex (even if there aren’t any consequences) is not natural and quite honestly you’re missing out big time.
I don’t believe in judging someone’s worth based on sex. a human being has so much to offer which is why it’s unfair to just judge them off of virginity
Why is sex before marriage so terrible? Let’s hear your reasoning
@marish01. Don’t tell me I have baseless assumptions if your rants are filled with baseless assumptions. You have not had one shred of evidence that I have a borderline personality disorder or hookups or mental illnesses.
In fact taking a look at your confusing rants, you sound like the one with mental illness, deranged , aggressive and hateful
You wish me an unhappy marriage because that is what you want.
I am not sick or hateful. I did say I wish everyone a happy marriage yet you are constantly telling me that I will be in an unhappy marriage because I refuse to try multiple men. This is stupid.
Yuck. I even explained why the idea grosses me out yet you can't calm down and still repeat the same thing.
@Ayanna240 I don't judge other people for what they do. I just have qualifications for the person who is going to be my own wife. Should I not? It's my life, after all. I should have the right to make it the way I want it.
Sex before marriage is bad because your body is meant to be shared with your spouse. It's supposed to be a special gift for them and them only. It's a secret that you share together. It's a couple's own "inside" connection. If you share your body with a bunch of other people, you are taking what is meant to be special and making it meaningless.
@marish01 I have never wished you an unhappy marriage. You chose a marriage where you haven’t checked if your husband would be sexually compatible with you. Do you not understand how to read or what this means?
You’re so fucking crazy that you can’t wven understand the simple logic of this statement. All you know how to do is to accuse of fake shit
Also, Marish is not mentally ill. She's completely rational.
@Ayanna240 Apparently you can't read, because I've explained to you multiple times how to determine compatibility before marrying someone.
@Jamie05rhs i asked you why it’s so terrible to have sex before marriage , not whether you determine compatibility before marriage.
Don’t tell me that I can’t read when you obviously can’t.
And to answer your question: no you can not determine sexual compatibility unless you have sex.
Why did you ignore the us marriage thing?
Americans who believe in sexual compatiability get divorced more thsn abstinent people.
Why?
Because they don't truly love. They choose the one that is ok.
This is not love.
Trying sex to see which person is the best and then get married. No wonder why more than half marriages end in divorce. This is sad.
I refuse to have their lifestyle. Thank you. Keep it AWAY FROM ME.
No matter how much you threaten me to adopt your lifestyle I will never do it even if it absolutely makes you lose your mind.
I explained to you why I don't want that type of dating yet you keep on convincing me (trying to manipulate me) that your type if marriage brings happiness while mine will leave me unhappy.
Why are you saying this? For me to adopt yours. This doesn't serm to be what mentally healthy people do.
They can advise but not coerce.
How many times should I explain to you that testing multiple people just to see which one is the best is lame for me?
Can't you just move on?
It's unpleasant to see new notifications from you.
@Ayanna240. Wow. Your reading comprehension is nonexistent.
I answered your question, and I answered it completely.
My other comment was responding to what you said to Marish.
@ayanna Name one aspect of sexual compatibility that is determined by having sex that cannot be determined without having sex.
@marish01 only religious people abstain from sex before marriage. No sane normal person would want to abstain from sex prior to marriage. And religious people do not divorce. they see divorce as evil just as premarital sex is evil. You would gladly stay in an unhappy marriage.
The divorce rates are decreasing nowadays because people are getting married later in life which means they take more time to pick the right partners for themselves. Marrying at a later age also means they are more financially stable , which leads to less fights about finances. Finances are the top reason for divorce. Another big reason for divorce is due to the fact that modern people have high unrealistic expectations of mArriage where everything should be passionate bliss, only good times , no bad times. So people are unwilling to compromise on issues during marriage.
Also, what Marish said. Do you truly love the person, or do you care more about your own selfish desires?
@Ayanna240 Actually, it would benefit nonreligious people to abstain from sex before marriage, too.
"The divorce rates are decreasing nowadays because people are getting married later in life which means they take more time to pick the right partners for themselves. Marrying at a later age also means they are more financially stable , which leads to less fights about finances. Finances are the top reason for divorce. Another big reason for divorce is due to the fact that modern people have high unrealistic expectations of mArriage where everything should be passionate bliss, only good times , no bad times. So people are unwilling to compromise on issues during marriage.". I agree with this.
@Jamie05rhs You have never presented a legitimate reason why premarital sex was so terrible. You just kept protesting that it’s terrible.
I already explained why you can’t evaluate sexual compatibility without sex. It’s kinda like asking would you like chocolate ice cream with pistachios and cheese. If you have no fucking idea what chocolate pistachios or cheese taste like.
Look you repeated the same thing.
I lost my count how many times I said premarital sex is not interesting as it makes marriage and dating the same. I love when each level of relationship is different
I said this before, right?
I also said I won't stay in an unhappy marriage
This is the 5th time I have said this
But you ignore it because you want to believe I will be in an unhappy marriage and stay in it forever.
This is what you want to believe.
Premarital sex is not interesting to me. I don't care how many people want it. To many people marriage is nothing special. To me it is. I am simply dreaming about dating and marrying the man whom I love very much. This is what I want.
Trying multiple men to see whom to like ir love is pretty lame.
Most people I know here have been abstinent and now are happily married. All of them respect and love their spouses.
You said I will not divorce. How ridiculous one can be to make assumptions about my choices when I denied them for numerous times?
People like you make me want to talk about abstinence more because seeing how zealous you become when trying to change my views cracks me up.
I love how obsessed you guys become about my life that you get extremely angry when you fail to convince me to adopt your lifestyle 🍿
@Ayanna240 Give me examples that relate to actual sex. Not parables of analogies.
And I did tell you why it was bad. You just didn't want to accept my answer.
Do you not want to test other men to see if they are better lovers than your husband since divorce is a very easy decision for you and sex is that important.😂
You can go to bars and tell all the men there to take turns and fuck you maybe some of them are better than your hubby. 😂
@Jamie05rhs listen if you want to have qualifications or preference to who you marry that's completely fine as long as you yourself abide by your rules otherwise its hypocritical. Also every single person on this earth who is alive, who will live, and who has ever lived is selfish. Anything thing we do is done with the motivation to please ourselves
@marish01 i think she meant that statistically you will have a higher chance of having an unhappy marriage and life because you do not know what you like sexual or how compatible you are sexual with your life long husband because you never had sex before and you never had sex with him before you got married.
@vald9inches Yeah, but marriage isn't meant to be selfish. It's meant to be a partnership of mutually serving one another and always thinking of your partner and caring for them.
@Jamie05rhs that ultimately makes both of you happy because thats what both partners want therefore its a selfish act because you are doing what makes you happy
@vald9inches No, it's not selfish at all. It's literally the opposite of selfish.
@marish01. Premarital sex is not important to you because you have been brainwashed to believe it’s terrible. But no sane normal person would enjoy abstinence from sex prior to marriage unless you are brainwashed. Because when a man and a woman is together physically, it is natural event for them to have sex. This is natural biology. This is how the world reproduces so that to exist today
If you put a man and woman together and they don’t feel the urge to have sex, you won’t be existing today.
Dating without touching or hugging is very unpleasant. Because touching almost always leads to eventual sex
@Jamie05rhs you can’t even provide a legitimate explanation of why premarital sex is so terrible. If you had a reason, you would have answered it already.
You can’t provide a logical explanation because you don’t have one. This is usually what happens in brainwashing. There is NEVER ever an explanation for why brainwashed people feel the way they feel. When someone can’t explain their decisions, it can’t be made reasonable
@vald9inches it’s not a selfish act. It’s just brainwashing. It’s like trying to convince a Jew to believe in Islam. It’s not gonna happen. They don’t have an explanation for why Jews believe in Judaism , they are simply brainwashed to believe in it at a very young age. They never had a chance to make the decision or to pick which religion they want to worship
@vald9inches. These people think sex is not a big part of marriage because they never had sex. They don’t know how amazing sex is. Bad sex or incompatible sex can very well lead to big problems in the marriage. These people don’t know because they think sex is a very trivial thing like ketchup to French fries. It’s not like that
Omg. Do I need to go back and copy and paste the whole thing?
Sex before marriage is bad because your body is meant to be shared with your spouse. It's supposed to be a special gift for them and them only. It's a secret that you share together. It's a couple's own "inside" connection. If you share your body with a bunch of other people, you are taking what is meant to be special and making it meaningless.
"These people think sex is not a big part of marriage...". @Ayanna240 You're assuming -- and your assumption is false.
I think sex is a HUGE part of marriage. It's just not the only part, as you seem to believe it is.
It's funny that you do admit that some marital problems are caused by sex, while at the same time you don't think it makes any difference if either spouse has had sex with other people before (which is where most of those problems arise, due to dissatisfaction of one's current partner compared to previous partners.)
"Because when a man and a woman is together physically, it is natural event for them to have sex.". Oh, so men and wen can't be left alone together or else they might have sex? It sounds like you are the one who is brainwashed.
Oh, and just because you hug someone means you're going to have sex with them? Okay...
@Jamie05rhs
"It's funny that you do admit that some marital problems are caused by sex, while at the same time you don't think it makes any difference if either spouse has had sex with other people before (which is where most of those problems arise, due to dissatisfaction of one's current partner compared to previous partners.)"
what makes you think that sex will cause me problems? Sex IS intimate between two people. But I don't care about the numerical order of who fucks my spouse #1 , #2, or #3. I don't rank myself that way. Relationships come and go. Everything is temporary. Just like marriage can be temporary. Life is also temporary. Friendships are temporary. Parents are also temporary. Just because I am not my spouse's first wife, it doesn't mean that I don't mean anything to my husband. Such thinking is ridiculous.
@Ayanna240 Wow. So you don't even value marriage at all. It's just another "temporary relationship," eh?
@Jamie05rhs "If you share your body with a bunch of other people, you are taking what is meant to be special and making it meaningless."
There is absolutely nothing special about virginity as you make of it. Much of this is completely imagined. First time having sex is frequently uncomfortable, awkward and even painful. So to make glory of this situation is very stupid. So what if you had to divorce and remarry? is your second marriage cheap because you have lost your virginity?
@Jamie05rhs
"So you don't even value marriage at all. It's just another "temporary relationship," eh?"
You've had a long tirade of random baseless accusations on here. This is another one of them.
No i value marriage very much. But if marriage doesn't workout, divorce is always an option. And my second marriage will not be seen as "cheap", you will feel your second marriage is cheap. "Virginity" has nothing to do with love. If you love someone, they will be your world regardless if they are a virgin or not. Nothing about them will be cheap if you love the person.
@vald9inches statistically? Are you aware that statistically people who engage in premarital sex are more likely to get divorced?
Are you talking about your made up statistics?
Lol
Again you are making assumptions about me.
I explained FOR SEVERAL TIMESwhy I don't want premarital sex but you spoke for me and decided what and why I do and think and want things.
This is ridiculous.
Maybe you should speak to yourself and pretend it's ne?
Afterall you make up things and explanations about my views that benefit you.
I have talked to many dumb people but you are uniquely dumb.
@marish01 haha. I think I would really end up being divorced if I was unhappy with my sex life.
Do you regret your husband is not your first man?
Let's see how important your exes are.
😂
@marish01 my current husband may not be my last man either. Neither would yours. Nothing is permanent. Just cuz its not permanent, it doesn't mean my husband is cheap.
@marish01 i honestly would love to see your face when nobody wants to marry you after your husband dies just because you're no longer a virgin. Now nobody takes you seriously and you have no chance at love.
Speak for yourself.
You never stop speaking for me
I asked a simple question.
Answer it.
@marish01 you never answer my questions either. you only come on here to rant long tirades at me filled with baseless accusations, just so you can feel better about not having sex before marriage.
Sorry to break it to you but mine will be my last man unless I get raped.
Premarital sex is dull TO ME.
Was TO ME visible?
I want to burn from the desire of wanting to be with him kn the special night.
My marriage should not be like dating without the paper. I love the idea of BUILDING relationship.
This is my taste. I love to imagine and dream. Premarital sex doesn't give me that. I don't want sex to be unplanned or be ordinary like eating or drinking.
@marish01
"Sorry to break it to you but mine will be my last man unless I get raped."
So you ARE against divorce. I was correct. You would gladly stay in an unhappy marriage , just because you know that no man would be interested in you after you get a divorce.
haha. sucks for you. thats no way to live.
You know many men will still marry a non virgin at least this is what you were trying to say all this time.
As long as you're attractive (i don't mean you) your chances are higher.
What question did you ask me that I didn't answer?
My question to you is
Do you regret your husband is not your first man?
Again
You get pleasure from thinking I will stay in an unhappy marriage.
Just because I won't get married again doesn't mean I will not get divorced.
When someone says they will not marry again.
Most likely they mean if they get divorced or if thrir husband dues theybeon't marry anyone again.
No one would mean they will not get married while they are already married.
When they are no longer married they won't get married.
Why did you assume that I meant I will not get divorced when I said I won't get married?
Lol
You make stupid assumptions because you are thinking emotionally.
@marish01 I believe in marrying someone who is the best fit for you regardless of virginity. I think its always important to evaluate every aspect of compatibility before I make a huge life changing decision. The right person has to be right in the most important ways. Sex is usually one of the biggest departments.
I have a high sex drive and I like dominant men. So i married a man who had a low sex drive and wasn't dominant in bed. we are gonna be divorced in only a matter of time. If he has always dreamt of having anal sex and i hate anal sex, then yea thats gonna just add fuel to the fire. Not gonna turn out great.
So if you're afraid of
@marish01
"You know many men will still marry a non virgin at least this is what you were trying to say all this time."
but you're a disgusting piece of shit. You insisted that men SHOULD see non virgin women as cheap women. So now you finally start respecting men who dont discriminate against virginity now?
Do you regret your husband is not your FIRST man?
@marish01 you must be a psycho to even come anywhere close to making that assumption. haha
Calling me names shows that my views insulted you.
I said being a non virgin doesn't mean being promiscuous.
But you are defintely a slut to me.
Don't worry men don't mind that I abhor sluts. Only sluts mind this 😂👍🏻
Why would any man say "she dislikes sluts I should not date her"
Lol
Only cucks would
Just because I think many men would not mind a non Virgin woman does not mean that I changed my mind that female virginity is valuable. Just learn to connect words. Oh you can't because you're a mentally unhealthy person
@marish01
"Calling me names shows that my views insulted you."
I think you're insulted that my views offend you. You're the one in full blown deranged rage here. Not me.
And no, i don't think im a slut. I don't think im promiscuous either. Promiscuity is when you hookup with random strangers , usually 10+ people.
But I have nothing against sluts. Because I value people based off of their hearts and the good they can do to the world.
If you are on here to bully or hate on others, then you will be the least respected regardless if you are a virgin or not.
Your views on marriage and sex ruin my mood because that type of lifestyle sounds lame.
Trying men to see which one is the best and then marry him.
I want to love very hard and think about only him.
This is what turns me on. The lifestyle you are forcing on me doesn't give me excitement.
I have rejectex that option long time ago.
You are a slut to me.
I don't care how you define sluts. You can't define them for me.
@marish01 Well I don't care about what disgusts you. Because you're also disgusting to me. Someone who cannot see any value in human worth other than virginity.
That is not right. Again you made up a wrong assumption.
I said earlier that I don't care about his virginity and I also said that more than half of my beloved people are not virgins.
Abd I want to get married which will make me a non virgin.
@marish01 You know what? I'd be very excited to see the day your husband dies or divorces you, you're now going to spend the next 40 years of your life alone. No man respects you or sees you as worthy of marriage. Men who are willing to date you , would dump you in a heart beat if a virgin woman paid him any attention. Men see romance with you as cheap and useless. How would you feel?
You showed your true colors. I have been telling you that you wish the worst things to me. This was not news to me
What a loser you are
How shitty human being one must be to wish the worst things to someone who doesn't harm them and is only a random person to her.
Go and seek help.
No wonder why previous sexual relationships outside dating and marriage ruin women's personalities and make tgem jealous and angry bitches
You showed your true colors. I have been telling you that you wish the worst things to me. This was not news to me
What a loser you are
How shitty human being one must be to wish the worst things to someone who doesn't harm them and is only a random person to her.
Go and seek help.
No wonder why previous sexual relationships outside dating and marriage ruin women's personalities and make them jealous and angry bitches
I told you I don't want to have a second sexual partner but your delusional head didn't understand it.
I don't remember how many times you dud this straw man
You are sick. You choose to believe whatever you want to.
Either you're dense or mentally sick
@marish01 None of this is made up or fake. If you believe that all non virgins are cheap and unworthy of anyone's love, then good luck to you when your husband dies or divorces you. Good luck with life!
Instead of constantly hurling insults at other people, why don't you assess whether your train of logic makes any sense.
I disagree completely. It has nothing to do with ownership at all, for many men. Yes, there are many misogynists and narcissists where it's all about them and owning the woman. But for many men, if not most, it's dealing with other things instead.
For many men it also comes down to ego, whether they want to admit it or not. Many, if not most, men find their ego based on their physical size, strength, height, weight, looks, economic prowess, or sexual prowess when it comes to being attractive to women.
When it comes to sex, men are often most concerned with their physical attributes and their sexual prowess. Women aren't often judged or commented on about those things since most men aren't worried about it that much, besides the physical aspects they've already seen and approved of to get as far in the relationship as they have gotten. I. e. breast size, butt size, waist size, etc.
One reason why some men who have been sexually active are interested in a woman who hasn't been has nothing to do with a bit of skin, which is likely gone during a medical exam or physical activity or a myriad of other things that will remove it that isn't involving sex.
Some men, I'd say a lot but don't want to assume, relate it to our ego. When having sex with a woman who has never had sex before, a committed man can be more relaxed and in the moment, besides the stress of any encounter at the beginning of a relationship, with the woman than if she has been with many men.
(Continuing my previous post) f she has been with many other men, the man may have worries about performance and/or size compared to other men she's been with. If he's actually caring about the woman, he may be concerned with if he's pleasing her as well as the other men have, since he loves her and wants her to have as great an experience with him as she did with the best of them.
This is likely something most women wouldn't understand since it's not difficult to please a man in bed whereas men have heard repeatedly, through the media especially, how difficult it can be to cause a woman to have an orgasm. Yes, women may say it doesn't really matter to them, but to men that doesn't make much sense since he wants to orgasm each and every time.
One reason a caring man could have for "gaining experience" with other women is so that when he does find the woman he wants to spend his life with, he will be able to please her in bed instead of "fumbling around" due to a lack of experience.
Again, I think a lot of it has to do with egos. After all, one of the most asked questions of women is, "Does size really matter?" regardless of how many times men have heard a "no" answer from many, if not most, women to it.
That would be one main reason that would be why some men wish to be with a virgin woman even if he'd been with other women.
@Eienven I will just be honest with you. Nowadays you will almost never ever find a modern man who insists on only dating / marrying virgins. Such a thing is usually desired by misogynistic men or very old fashioned, conservative, Christian, all white communities.
Also, you say that you needed to see if you're "sexually compatible" which is just idiotic. It's only in the last century where that's even been looked at as an "issue". For example, my grandparents were not sexually active before they married. When my grandfather died at 90 yo, they had just celebrated their 70th wedding anniversary and both had been happy in their marriage and couldn't imagine being with anyone else. It was the same for the 60 years of marriage when my grandfather died on the other side of my family. Same with my parents. They've been married over 50 years.
Marriage is FAR more than sex. Sure, sex is a part of it but that's just an expression of the love that you share for the person you're with. Any complaining about what "I'm getting" sexually is selfish. In my opinion, in a marriage, sex is just the intimate, pleasurable, expression of love that you have for the other person.
The focus of the encounter is expressing your love through your trying to bring the other person pleasure. The husband's focus should be on bringing pleasure to his wife and they wife's focus should be on bringing pleasure to her husband. If both parties are focused on the other person, they'll both be able to enjoy pleasure from sex with each other.
If you're so focused on "sexual compatibility" then you're more focused on what "you" can get out of a relationship which is selfish, in my opinion. There are countless stories of ones who've been married for a short time when an accident or health problem of some sort occurred just after a marriage. All of a sudden, sex is no longer possible. Selfish focuses like yours just shows me that you'd "jump ship" ASAP because your SO could no longer please you sexually so you apparently wouldn't be getting anything out of the relationship again.
So for me, I'd definitely pass on any relationship with someone like you.
@Eienven do you realize that all throughout history, people didn't marry for romance or love? People married just to have kids. There was no such thing as "dating" until 1970s and onwards. During the 1960s and prior, nearly all marriages were arraigned.
Nowadays, ask who wants an arraigned marriage? NOBODY.
Who wants to marry someone they don't have romantic feelings for? NOBODY
If sex didn't matter, then ask a man if he would marry a woman he can't have sex with? NOBODY WOULD WANT THAT.
@vald9inches Sorry, but you're absolutely wrong. Not "everyone on this earth is selfish." There are many, many selfless people in this world. Sure, there's a lot more selfish people, especially today compared to the past since the modern attitude has become to get everything out of life that you can now, regardless of how you do it. Still, there are many, many unselfish people in the world. You're just selfish yourself so you can't see the kindness and unselfish few who are around you.
That to me is just a sad symptom of the state that I see this world going farther and farther towards. The more "me-ism" attitudes out there, the worse it's going to get. And right now, I don't see anything changing it. Attitudes that "I deserve" or "I should get" such-and-such is ruining the world. Not just within personal relationships, but it can be most seen there. Hence the attitude of "if I don't get [this] then I'm leaving (or protesting, or throwing a tantrum, etc of some sort)" permeating societies worldwide.
Marriages based on sex are doomed to failure whenever any kind of difficulty comes up. What happens to a marriage based on "how good the sex is" when one partner can't have it any more, for some reason neither could expect? "Well, then I'm packing up and leaving because I've got to have my sexual needs catered to" is the type of attitude you're showing. I pity you because you'll never find a happy, meaningful relationship that way. And it's why so many relationships fail, nevermind marriages.
@Eienven Nowadays marriage ideals have changed. Marriage used to be just something necessary you had to do by the time you began adulthood. People had extremely low expectations of marriage. As long as you both cared for each other, then thats all that matters. No romantic feelings required.
Nowadays, people marry not out of necessity but for enjoyment. If people didn't enjoy the marriage, they can leave any time. Nobody needs to get married nowadays. Marriage is now for enjoyment, not a necessity. Nobody is gonna enjoy a sexless marriage. Nobody is gonna marry someone they don't have romantic feelings for. Nobody is gonna marry someone they are not physically attracted to.
@Eienven
[Marriages based on sex are doomed to failure whenever any kind of difficulty comes up. ]
Ask a man to pick between a woman he can have sex with vs a woman he can't have sex with.
He loves both women equally.
The man is gonna pick the woman the he can have sex with.
Its simply a better deal. Why would you prefer to never have sex rather than to enjoy sex. Its simply more you can get out of the marriage.
Oh, and are all situations where a woman, or man, aren't virgins upon marriage bad ones? Absolutely not. There are many situations where it's absolutely understandable and a good thing. The same goes for women, or men, who have children with someone else previously. It just depends on the reason for it. If it's because they've been sleeping around, then yes, it's not the healthiest of reasons.
Ask any psychologist and they'll give you many reasons why people act out sexually by having multiple partners in their lives.
Perfectly acceptable reasons for me to get involved with someone who has had sex or children prior to our relationship, are things like the death of their former husband, or a former husband who cheated on her and she couldn't forgive his infidelity, etc. I'd absolutely marry a woman in situations such as those where she wasn't a virgin or even had children already. These are situations she wasn't "likely" (there's always the rare case of murder, etc after all) at fault in any way.
Situations where it wasn't because they treated sex as "just good fun" but treated it as a meaningful, committed part of their previous relationship (s) to express their deep love for the person, are perfectly acceptable reasons why I'd be willing to marry someone who wasn't a virgin.
@Eienven
The reason why someone would not marry a non virgin has to do with the ancient idea that once sex is about ownership. Women were property back then. Do you understand why during weddings, you see a father handing his daughter to her husband?
Its because her father handed his daughter (property) to her husband ( another owner). Its not a woman independently making the decision to get married. In many countries, women did not have the power to pick who to marry.
Virginity or the hymen is sacred. Its similar to opening the seal to a soda can. Once someone opens a soda can, the seal is punctured and drank out of. Nobody will want to drink out of that same soda can. Its already contaminated with your saliva / germs etc. You can't force someone else to "own" your soda can.
Its the same thinking for virginity. You can't own a woman that has been "drank out" by another man. By taking her virginity, he is putting his name on her as his property.
@Eienven It also explains why there is a tradition of a woman taking her husband's last name after she gets married. It has to do with her husband "owning" her as property.
In many countries such as the middle east, brides are still sold / exchanged by gold or cash or camels or chickens.
@Eienven I mean, you really need to think about the immorality of judging someone's self worth based on her vagina. When you marry, you should be marrying someone that you appreciate for their company / personality/ humor/ kindness , not her hymen. A woman is much more than just a vagina, women are human beings with everything else to other.
Back then women were not seen as human beings with a ton to offer. Women were not even recognized as citizens. Black men could vote before women did. A hundred years ago, a woman was referred to as "Mrs. Benjamin Jones" (the name of her husband) rather than her real name
"Mrs. Abagail Jones".
Men don't expect women to be virgins because most women are not virgins
Do you know the difference between abstinence and sexless marriage?
"Ask a man to pick between a woman he can have sex with vs a woman he can't have sex with.
He loves both women equally."
Lmfao
He LOVES BOTH WOMEN?
A polyamorous person 🤢🤢🤢
@marish01. I can garuantee you that no young modern man will care if a woman was a Virgin or not. They will not prefer one woman over another just because she is a Virgin. The only types of men who care so much about virginity tend to be misogynists or church boys. Nobody is a Virgin nowadays. Go to any large city or even the suburbs , it is ridiculously hard to find a Virgin
@marish01 In our modern world, the hymen holds no significance. Because women are no longer property of men. During the 1800s or even early 1900s, a woman's virginity was the only most important thing she had. It was the only thing that made her wedable. A man cannot take a woman as his property, if her hymen seal has been taken off. Its kinda like asking a man to drink out of a soda can that you opened and drank out of.
Stop seeing women as property, start seeing them as human beings with everything to offer.
I never said anything about hymen.
So I ignore your whole statement about it.
But my views on being untouched doesn't change. I love the fact that I didn't let any man touch me. I'd feel deaperate thinking that I have ever shared the most intimate moments with a man who was not my beloved husband.
I do see women as people who should respect themselves and don't open their legs to any random guy they see at bars. A woman who respects herself will never share the most intimate moment with men who don't care about who she is or simply see her good only for fucking.
Funny how you believe you can manipulate me into having sex outside marriage by mentioning the word "MODERN"
You going to be disappointed now for seeing your manipulation doesn't work.. Ready?
Modern world can't make me feel embarrassed for having high standards for myself and the man I will marry. And I'm not intimediated by the fact that most people don't reach to my highest standards. I don't want to have the lifestyle of most people because most people fail in relationships. Most people are not examples of good relationships. Modern relationships full of drama, name calling and yelling don't excite me. And the idea of having numerous loveless and meaningless sexual relationships makes me sick to my stomach.
"Stop seeing women as property, start seeing them as human beings with everything to offer."
Everything to offer?
Is the woman who opens her legs to random guys offers everything? Is that everything who she is?
It is me here who sees women as whole human beings that is why I believe that they should be only with the man they love and respect and who loves and respects them. This Is my opinion and my advice. I don't force anyone to remain virgins or abstinent but no one can force me to lose my virginity because that is sexual coercion.
@marish01
[I do see women as people who should respect themselves and don't open their legs to any random guy they see at bars. A woman who respects herself will never share the most intimate moment with men who don't care about who she is or simply see her good only for fucking.
Funny how you believe you can manipulate me into having sex outside marriage by mentioning the word "MODERN"]
You were saying that women who aren't virgins aren't wedable. You're so filled with negativity about non virgin women. I'm just here to tell you that a woman is more than just virginity. Its no longer 1600s were virginity is the only most important thing that a woman has. Women are not property to be owned. Men do not own women. So virginity doesn't mean anything. Lets get this fact straight before we move onto the next issue on here to be discussed.
@marish01 Nobody is here to tell you to lose your virginity. You can stay a virgin your entire life , nobody cares. If you died tomorrow, we wouldn't care. But you shouldn't be walking around judging people solely on virginity. there's more to life than virginity. Sex is not holy or sacred. People are people, not their private parts.
@marish01 And here's my lesson to you when you say that women who sleep around at bars "don't respect themselves.
These folks DO RESPECT THEMSELVES. Some people enjoy sleeping around with different guys at bars. These types of people do not see sex as intimate or loving. They are just doing it because they are single and need sex. Not everyone sees sex as holy, special or sacred. Some people just enjoy fucking random strangers.
Listen to the key word: They ENJOY it. She RESPECTS HERSELF. she's not doing something she dislikes.
You need to understand that people are designed to be different. Just because someone enjoys sleeping around, it doesn't mean that you also like sleeping around. Just because you hate cilantro, it doesn't mean other people will hate cilantro. Just because you aren't attracted to fat men, it doesn't mean that the rest of the world aren't attracted to fat men. Just because most men like younger women, it doesn't mean there aren't men that are attracted to older women.
And lastly, other people sleeping around really has absolutely nothing to do with you.
What you're currently doing is, like bashing gay people. Gay people getting married has absolutely nothing to do with you. why do you care so much about how other people run their lives? did this non virgin woman set your house on fire or something? if not, then go fuck off and quit trying to control how other people live. ITS THEIR LIFE, NOT YOURS.
Quote me where I said non virgins are not wedable. You never stop making up statements for me.
Enjoying loveless sex doesn't mean you respect yourself.
I could spit on you and you could enjoy it but that doesn't mean you respect yourself just because you enjoy the act. I want my always OK with being fucked by a man who see herswlf only as a hole definitely doesn't respect herself and you can't say that she respects herself because she enjoys the act.
You have told me for million times that I will get divorced or have an unhappy marriage if I don't have sex before marriage. If you have time you can scroll up your opinions and you will find many statements claiming that. But I'm so glad that I made you realize that intimidating someone into having sex is sexual coercion and that makes you someone who is not very far from a rapist. But it's very great that you stopped it.
What makes you think that me having negative opinion on casual sex means that I hate people or I want to stop them from having sex? They can have loveless sex all they want But that doesn't mean that I have no right to express my opinion. You can't make me like what they do or believe that they respect themselves. You did say that people are different so if you believe that people are different you should accept that I can have different opinion on casual sex.
That I will wear that there are people who see sex as nothing but an act that is why they don't care who they have sex with. I believe they can't love because The one they date and the 1 they have casual sex are the same as they do the same act. If you're willing to have sex with a random person then the whole act is nothing special to you. Therefore what makes the one you claim to love be special when you have shared the most intimate act
with very random people whom you don't even know. I can't take such people seriously but it's not that I will hate them. I wish everyone happiness but that doesn't mean that I want to be friends with everyone.
When I dislike sluts that means that I don't want to be friends with them it doesn't mean that I will kill them or Go and tell them that they are sluts. As you broiggt yp burning a house. They don't have to burn my house for me to dislike their sexual behavior. Those 2 have nothing to do with each other. I did say self respect. I mean you don't have to burn my house for me to think that you don't have self respect.
And I said nothing about gay sex. But we all know You are obsessed with Making up statements for other people. Next Time when you make up statements for me quote my original statement.
I am aware that ***
[Enjoying loveless sex doesn't mean you respect yourself.
I could spit on you and you could enjoy it but that doesn't mean you respect yourself just because you enjoy the act. I want my always OK with being fucked by a man who see herswlf only as a hole definitely doesn't respect herself and you can't say that she respects herself because she enjoys the act.]
You need to quit making random assumptions. Because you are only talking from your perspective. Having sex with random people is not the equivalent to "spitting on someone". If you spit on someone, they HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN FROM IT. If you're sleeping around with random people, YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF SEXUAL SATISFACTION.
YOU SEE SEX AS SOMETHING HOLY, SACRED AND SPECIAL. OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT SEE IT THAT WAY. YOU NEED TO BE MORE OPEN MIDNED AND UNDERSTAND THAT NOT EVERYONE IS DESIGNED TO THINK THE SAME WAY AS YOU. AND YOU NEED TO RESPECT THAT.
If you prioritize virginity so much, then what is gonna happen to you if your spouse dies or divorces you? does this mean that you can't ever get remarried? because you had sex with that one person (who is dead or doesn't want you anymore)? It is ONY YOUR POINT OF VIEW that people should only have 1 person to love their entire lives. OTHER PEOPLE MAY THINK DIFFERENTLY. THEY MIGHT THINK THAT IT IS definitely POSSIBLE TO LOVE MOER THAN 1 PERSON IN TEHIR LIFE.
Why do you think so many people get remarried? their current husband isn't the first man they ever had sex with. Yet they are able to love each other so much that they want to spend the rest of their lives together.
@marish01 HOW OTHER PEOPLE RUN THEIR LIVES HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS THE SAME AS HATING ON OTHER PEOPLE FOR BEING GAY OR LIKING TO EAT STRANGE FOOD.
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONTROL HOW OHTER PEOPLE LIVE THEIR LIVES.
PEOLE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THE THINGS THEY ENJOY. JUST BECAUSE YOU WON'T ENJOY IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN OTHER PEOPLE WON'T ENJOY IT TOO.
JUST BECAUSE YOU ENJOY PEPPERMINT ICE CREAM, IT DOESN'T MEAN THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL ALSO LIKE PEPPERMINT ICE CREAM.
@marish01
YOU CAN LAUGH AT OTHERS FOR BEING NON VIRGINS, AND I CAN GARUANTEE YOU THAT OTHER PEOPLE WILL LAUGH RIGHT BACK AT YOU FOR BEING A PRUDE. NOBODY IS A VIRGIN NOWADAYS.
IN FACT, PEOPLE THINK STRANGELY OF PEOPLE WHO TRY TO REMAIN VIRGINS.
@marish01 You think sleeping around feels like you're being spitted on. OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT THINK THE SAME WAY. THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY ARE BEING "SPITTED ON". THEY MIGHT SEE IT AS JUST A FUN ACTIVITY.
Spiting was an example to show that enjoying doesn't mean respecting oneself.
Laughing at me because I didn't let any man touch me because I have high standards makes those people seem morons.
How would you mock me for having high standards? Go ahead.
"If you're sleeping around with random people, YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF SEXUAL SATISFACTION."
You can get that from your husband too. Oh wait. If you did you wouldn't glorify casual sex with numerous people like a slut you are.
"YOU SEE SEX AS SOMETHING HOLY, SACRED AND SPECIAL. OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT SEE IT THAT WAY."
I never said they are like me. Lol of course they are very different from me.
There is a huge difference between a woman who thinks a random man can get to touch her private parts and a woman who thinks only her beloved husband can do that.
"If you prioritize virginity so much, then what is gonna happen to you if your spouse dies or divorces you? does this mean that you can't ever get remarried? because you had sex with that one person (who is dead or doesn't want you anymore)? "
I told you FOR SEVERAL TIMES that my husband will be my first, only and laat man. Plus I don't think non virgins shiuldn't get married. I never said they aren't wedable. No wonder why you couldn't quote me that.
"Why do you think so many people get remarried? their current husband isn't the first man they ever had sex with. Yet they are able to love each other so much that they want to spend the rest of their lives together."
Because those people view sex like you do. They don't have high moral and family values.
All my female family members are happily married to their first man. Sorry but they are happy. They have high moral and family values.
"HOW OTHER PEOPLE RUN THEIR LIVES HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU."
Never said it has. But that doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on their lifestyle. You do have an opinion on it too, right? A very positive one lol
@marish01
“ They don't have high moral and family values.
All my female family members are happily married to their first man. Sorry but they are happy. They have high moral and family values.”
There’s nothing highly moral about having only one man Your entire life. You’re just gonna be lonely, sexless, miserably dying alone with nobody to care for you
Again you showed your bitterness.
Of course a slut would think being only with your beloved man for your whole life is nothing special but since I am not a slut I disagree with them.
But let's go back to my original topic.
Should my non virgin boyfriend not value my virginity?
@marish01. The only reason why any man who value virginity is because he wants to feel like he can OWN her.
This goes back to the old days during the 1800s where a man cannot own a woman unless he has taken her virginity.
Back then the only valuable thing that a woman had was her virginity. if a woman couldn’t find a husband , she is seen as a loser by society. This is how derogatory names such as spinster or lady with 15 cats came about.
A man who only marries virgins believe in sexual ownership. He must sexually “own” his wife as a piece of property.
He doesn’t think he can own a woman unless she has a hymen still in tact that he can break.
Nowadays modern men do not care if a woman is a Virgin or not because he is not looking to own her like a piece of property. Marriage is to be enjoyed as two equal partners, it’s not about property ownership.
@marish01. I was never being bitter. But frequently life can be very bitter lonely loveless and miserable if you’re a widow or divorcee.
@marish01.
In the eyes of modern men, a woman can be just as SPECIAL without her virginity because he LOVES AND ADMIRES HER TO THE FULLEST EXTENT.
I think that if a man cannot live without a woman , the last thing he is thinking about would be her virginity. What would he do without her? He can’t survive without the love of his life.
HE NEEDS HER, he wouldn’t care if she is a Virgin or not
So my future husband must think that there is nothing special about being the chosen man?
He is special enough for me to choose him over other men why would he not value this?
Being happy for being my chosen man doesn't mean I am his slave.
Why would a man prefer a touched woman over an untouched one? Imagining that she has had dicks in her should turn a real man OFF not on.
"I was never being bitter. But frequently life can be very bitter lonely loveless and miserable if you’re a widow or divorcee."
It can but that is what you wish my life will be. Hence this makes you bitter.
A woman who has slept around can't be anything special The eyes of a man who respects himself. Because he knows that a woman who has shared the most intimate thing with random men is no one special for love because she doesn't value love.
“ Why would a man prefer a touched woman over an untouched one? Imagining that she has had dicks in her should turn a real man OFF not on.”
It doesn’t turn modern men off. Modern men do not care if a woman is a Virgin or not. He’s not gonna pick one woman over the other just because she is a Virgin. Why can’t you understand that? How many times do I need to say this?
“ A woman who has slept around can't be anything special The eyes of a man who respects himself. Because he knows that a woman who has shared the most intimate thing with random men is no one special for love because she doesn't value love.”
The only reason why you obsess over virginity so much is because you believe a woman needs to be OWNED SEXUALLY by a man. You think that a man can’t own a woman unless she has never been touched by another man
In your eyes a woman is a piece of property that needs to be OWNED
it’s a very ancient sexist patriarchal mindset that you have
Again modern.
You think the word modern will change my mind?
Modern men Don't you ever think about virginity because There are very very very very few women were virgins in adulthood. You can't desire something that is unavailable to you.
But in my case he is free to notice the value of virginity.
If there were as many Virgins as non virgins are then I am sure most men would love to choose virgins if they found one. If a man could choose and untouched woman why would he go after the touched one. The whole idea of a man being inside a woman must turn him off. Would you like your husband to love imagining how your previous partners have been inside you? You send a totally cross and cockoldish to like that? Should I totally understand that having a positive opinion on his woman having had many dicks on her makes the man a doormat. There is nothing pleasant about knowing that your woman has had sexual activities with other men just like she has with you.
And understand one thing that I want only 1 man for a my life. I don't want most men I want only one man.
And that man respects himself enough to feel honored by my choice of him as the only sexual partner of my life.
"I think that if a man cannot live without a woman , the last thing he is thinking about would be her virginity. What would he do without her? He can’t survive without the love of his life."
Never said it's impossible to love a non Virgin woman. I told you that there is a difference between a slut and a non Virgin.
Back to the topic about my choice of being with only one man.
I want my choice of him as the only man of my life to be another reason why he loves me. It should ADD to his love for me. I don't want this part of me to be ignored because that's a large part of who I am.
I'm not saying that my moral values are the only thing of my personality but they are a large part of who I am.
Besides my views on love, monogamy and abstinence are a large part of who I am. If he doesn't care about my moral values on sex and love then why does he love me? My views on love and sex should concern him the most as they refer to him DIRECTLY.
Modern men are too busy looking for their ideal soulmates rather than to look for virginity. Modern men believe in finding the biggest love of their lives rather than to Just find a Virgin. Love is wayy bigger than virginity.
Ask any modern man , would he give up his non Virgin fiancé , FOR a Virgin girl like you. HE WOULD SAY HELL NO! His non Virgin Fiancé is the love of his life! he's NOT GONNA TRADE HER FOR YOU. He doesn’t want you! He’s not looking for virginity , he’s looking for love!
For me, I don’t care if my husband has touched other women in the past. Because I know that he doesn’t want those other women anymore. Those are are lost in the past. Let go of the past.
It’s kinda like saying your ex boyfriend cheated on you so from now on, you will never ever date any man again because all men are cheaters.
Let go of the past.
@marish01 So if a man raped you , Would you boyfriend or husband abandon you?
What makes you think I want men to leave their wives for me 🤦🏻♀️. I know why you brought it up
You are intimidated by the idea of men secretely wishing they were their women's first hence why you constantly claim men wouldn't leave their non virgin for me.
I only want ONE man. The love of my life. Why would he wish I had sex prior to him?
Only a loser would.
"Ask any modern man , would he give up his non Virgin fiancé , FOR a Virgin girl like you. "
😄😄😄😄😄 girl askthose modern men how many EX girlfriends they had.
I mean how many lives of their life they had.
Oh those exes must be so special
Loves*
@marish01
Just take a look at what you wrote in another thread:
“ look I am an abstinent virgin. I want my FUTURE non virgin husband to appreciate being my first man.”
You would marry non Virgin trash. So why are you keep talking shit about non Virgin trash?
The fact that modern men had many girlfriends shows how ridiculous your phrasing "love of their life" sounds. 😄
@marish01.
Other than you Wanting to marry “used up trash “ that you hate.
How would you feel about your boyfriend or husband abandoning you after you get raped?
I am repeating for the 7th time there is a difference between a non virgin and a slut.
I can't turn back time and make him unfuck all the women he fucked.
I want my husband to appreciate being the only man of my life.
You couldn't even deny that a man who is turned on by the idea of his wife having had many dicks in her prior to him Is a beta cuck.
"So if a man raped you , Would you boyfriend or husband abandon you?"
Why would he? I didn't consent to sex with another man.
@marish01
Why don’t you explain to me why you would marry “used up trash” but yet women who are “used up trash” are unlovable?
Your boyfriend is gonna dump you if you ever get raped or sexually assaulted. Because another man has either had sex with you or touched you. You’re depressed miserable and crying but your boyfriend wants nothing to do with you because you are “used up trash”.
Does this sound like he loves you? I don’t think so.
@marish01
“ "So if a man raped you , Would you boyfriend or husband abandon you?"
Why would he? I didn't consent to sex with another man.”
Your boyfriend is just turned off by the idea of other nasty strange men touching and having sex with you. He wants sex to be something special, he wants to be the first man to enter you.
@marish01. So yea your boyfriend will abandon you once you get sexually assaulted or raped. My boyfriend will still be here taking care of me. You won’t have anyone
Your boyfriend can’t have “special first man sex” with you which is why he dumped you
If i ever got raped which is your wish my boyfriend would understand that my moral values are a part of me and rape won't take it.
@marish01.
Your boyfriend is turned off that he can’t be the special man anymore. Just imagine how turned off he is by imagining another man have sex with you like that. Now your vagina is a slut. Why would a man want a used up vagina like yours?
@marish01 you would marry a non Virgin but yet non Virgin women are unlovable.
Yea... sounds like we have a sexist , misogynist here. What you say makes absolutely no sense. Full of contradictions and sexism
I'm repeating for the 9th time I never said non virgins are not lovable
There is a difference between a slut and a rape victim. Learn the difference.
@marish01. You spent hours and hours and hours preaching about how turned off a man would be imagining a woman have sex with another man. You spent hours and hours ranting about how it’s only right to have 1 partner for the rest of your life. You spent hours talking how it’s bad to get remarried or have exes.
Is it because you are afraid of your boyfriend abandoning you if you ever get raped , which made you change your decision about “used up vaginas”?
A woman who CHOOSES to get her pussy used by random men is a woman that a real man should refuse to love
Getting rape doesn't make you a slut, casual sex does. Rape doesn't define your self worth your sexual choices do.
I will give consent to sex to only my husband.
@marish01. As you said “sex is something that should be SPECIAL. “ It’s no longer special if you’ve already had sex with another man. Doesn’t matter if you chose to have sex or not. It’s still no longer special. Your man is already turned off at the idea of a used up pussy
@marish01. Your raped vagina is a “used up vagina” Regardless if you chose to get raped or not.
@marish01
“ I can't turn back time and make him unfuck all the women he fucked.
I want my husband to appreciate being the only man of my life.
You couldn't even deny that a man who is turned on by the idea of his wife having had many dicks in her prior to him Is a beta cuck.”
So you will tolerate your husband fucking a ton of women but a man shouldn’t tolerate a woman who fucked a lot of men?
Admit it, you’re a sexist
Never said men should tolerate women who have been with other men. I said that the man whom I will marry should respect himself enough to value my choice of him as my 1st man
@marish01. Nobody respects sexist misogynistic women like you. You obviously have been brainwashed otherwise no sane decent minded woman would ever think the way you do
Only sluts think having moral and family values is the result of brainwashing and misogyny
@marish01 where are your morals if you say that its ok for men to sleep around but not women? do you hate women?
When did I praise sleeping around?
@marish01 you're a misoygnist. According to you only men can have exes but women should be looked down for having exes.
why don't you look for something better to do instead of obsessing over other people's virginity? I can guarantee you that most people , sluts or not, are all having fun and enjoying life , having sex. None of us are worried and sad about not being virgins or sleeping around. Mind your own business and you stop your angry rants.
Only men can have exes?
Aren't those exes women? What is the accompishment of having breakups. Breakup is one of the traumatic experiences I am glad I have never had. And I don't want anyone to have it.
If according to you I'm a misogynist because thinking that women shouldn't have sex with random guys who treat them like a piece of mean means hating women (which is highly irrational and only a brainless feminist would interpret it that way) then would this not mean I hate myself too because I don't want to be treated like a piece of meat?
Look how flawed your logic is. You think with emotions. What feels good regardless of how you're treated. Your arguments are based on your feelings. Having sex doesn't mean emjoying life. There are many things that can make one happy. Didn't you know it? And unhappy people can still have sex but that doesn't make them happy.
There is so much empowerment of never having sex before. Getting sexual pleasure from the people whom you don't love amd who don't love you is not something to be jealous of. But having sex with your husband who is the one you want the most and is your first man is what I would call one of my biggest dream.
And how expressing my views on promiscuity not my business?
@marish01 You spent DAYS spewing garbage about how men get turned off by the idea of his girlfriend having exes and talking about it in such a nasty tone. haha if someone were to be SOO TURNED OFF by the idea of having exes, then WHY ARE YOU MARRYING A MAN WITH EXES? You're gonna sound nasty about having exes. But you're gonna be nice about your husband having exes. YEA... YOU'RE A MISOGYNIST.
And then you went on to say that these people who have exes have bad morals because they decided to have more than 1 lover in their lives. YET you are willing to say that you would marry a a man with exes.
so you're basically saying that you're willing to MARRY A MAN WITH BAD MORALS?
We don't live in the 1800s anymore.
@marish01 feminists are wayy better than you. because they don't go around saying that men can have exes but women can't. only you would say something like that.
And it's feminists like you who use sexual coercion in order to make virgins have unwanted sex.
You wished me an unhappy marriage. You wished my husband dies. You wished I get raped. You wished all the horrible things.
And that is not spewing hatred?
What a scumbag one must be to wish such things? See that I never wished any bad thing to you.
You have serious mental issues.
And I only responded because you kept on spewing hatred.
"We don't live in the 1800s anymore"
So?
Doesn't mean that a slut has self respect.
And you didn't say "is your hysband happy that othet men fucked you?"
Do you want him to feel proud of how you pleasured other men?
"But you're gonna be nice about your husband having exes."
First of all we don't know if he had exes or not. Second I never said it would be nice if he had exes.
@marish01. What is wrong with losing your virginity? You respect non virgins enough to marry them. How do you talk shit about non virgins if you’re willing to marry one?
Because you’re a misogynist. Only men can have exes. Women can’t
@marish01. You’re spewing hate on here too. Just take a look at all your name calling in your old comments.
@marish01
you want a Non Virgin husband.
but you will take shit about women that are non Virgin.
There is nothing maginificent about having exes. I am glad I never had one and I want to never ever have one.
There is nothing attractive about knowing your love has been heartbroken before.
Be a slut all you want. Have exes all you want. I won't stop you so I don't know why you are so worried about my opinion.
And I name calling can never be compared to all the evil wishes you spewed for me that show the content of your own charcater.
And tell me what namecalling did you mean?
@marish01
You’re a misogynist.
@marish01
I think you’re the one who is evil. Calling non Virgin women trash while you yourself respect non Virgin men
I repeated for 1000 times that non virgin and slut are not necessarily the same. But you are mentally unable to understand it
@marish01 so why did u spend hours and hours talking about how its immoral to have more than 1 lover? you spent hours rambling over and over again about how "turned off" a man would be if he were to imagine his girlfriend's exes.
go fuck yourself. liar. we all know you are a SEXIST.
You are extremely dense. You claimed I hate non virgin women when I did say most of my beloved women are not virgins.
And yes a man fets turned OFF by imagining other men fucking her wife unless he's a cuck. Ask your hubby if imagining it is not gross
Quote me where I said having more than one lover is immoral.
When will you stop making up statements for me?
@marish01 we have been talking in the comments for over a week , in 4 different comment sections, posted over 30 replies. im not gonna sift through all of that for you.
You KNOW what you said. Don't come on here and pretend you're not a misogynist. The EVIL one is you, not anyone else.
I know what I said that is why I know you have been accusing me of statements I've never made.
How evil one must be to wish a person who never harmed or wished anything bad but happiness to get divorced or widowed or get raped.
@marish01 no modern man cares about virginity. no man is gonna pick you over a non virgin woman , just because you are a virgin. its not 1650
Your issue is competing with me. Lol
A modern man who has the OPPORTUNITY to choose a virgin will choose a virgin.
Why to choose a non virgin over a virgin if the guy likes both equally?
Why to choose the touched over the untouched?
I am 100 % sure my future husband will be honored for I waited for him to have sex. Only a cuck would be sad
@marish01
Modern men do not obsess over virginity like you. Modern men care way more about finding a woman with the right personality and character. Virginity means nothing nowadays. Only someone like you from 1620 , would obsess over it
Why would he not appreciate that I chose him?
Obsessed is a wrong word. I only want to be with one man. Failed relationships don't turn me on.
why would you keep bragging about choosing 1 man but you would marry a woman who had more than 1 girlfriend?
like i said, you're a misogynist.
@marish01 your misogynistic boyfriend will dump you after your fertility wanes too. Keep being a virgin until your fertility runs out. At your age, you don't have too many years to have kids. Misogynists hate women who can't have kids.
You're being overdramatic and bitter. Read your comment once again. I can't believe an adult woman can act this cringy.
Can you act a little mature? Because at this point you are extremely boring.
I have 2 questions. I expect you to show some common sense and maturity. Let's see if your rich experiences with men had any good influence on your thinking.
1) why should I not give up my choice of waiting for the right man?
2) why would my man not appreciate my choice of him as my first man?
-I saved myself for you
-ok. I don't care that that man is me.
Would this make sense?
How do you not see that not appreciating being my first man means not valuing our relationship?
What should my husband stance on my virginity be for you to say he is a good man?
@marish01
the REAL question is:
why don't you marry a man who is a virgin? why would you prefer a non virgin man over a virgin man?
@marish01
you love showing off about how virgin you are. virginity is so important to you. so why would u marry a non virgin in the first place?
Do you know any virgin man? Most men are not virgins. It's easier to choose my man from them
Why shouldn't my non virgin husband appreciate that I chose him?
Yes virginity is important to me because it's my body. Losing it which is having sex should be special. Only the man I will marry gets to have sex with me. Guess what? Losibg virginity is having sex too. Any time I have sex should be only with him and losing virginity is included. Why? Because losing virginity is having sex for the first time.
@marish01
[Most men are not virgins. It's easier to choose my man from them]
men who are virgins DO EXIST. Go to your local church and you will find plenty of religious virgin church boys. you just don't care if he is a virgin or not. According to you, men do not need to be virgins. Only women need to be virgins.
SEXIST BITCH
Why shouldn't my non virgin husband appreciate that I chose him?
"Go to your local church and you will find plenty of religious virgin church boys."
Do you read what you type?
A virgin BOY
🤦🏻♀️
you dont even want a virgin yourself. so why are you shitting on non virgin women?
fucking sexist bitch
You are out of control. You did prove you're mentally sick. Look at your own behavior.
Quote me where I said I don't want a virgin man
Quote me where I said non virgin women don't deserve marriage
And you want me to marry a virgin boy. BOY?
And my question
Why shouldn't my non virgin husband appreciate that I chose him?
You keep saying virginity is so important. You keep bragging about your virginity. You obsess over virginity 24/7.
But You wouldn’t marry a Virgin
@Ayanna240 no. It is my virginity that makes you bitter.
Think about it. You hate the idea that my husband will say. "I am so lucky that I got a girl who saved herself for the love of her life and that love is me".
You hate that he will be honored to get an untouched girl.
And I never said being a non virgin means being a slut.
I repeated this for 1000s of times but you're too dense to get that. Anyways you as a mentally sick person are going to change my words and keep on wishing me evil things.
If you believe you are a mature person then tell me what kind of views on my virginity my husband should have. You clearly hate that he will appreciate it.
What kind of views on my virginity should my husband have?
Get rid of your bitterness before answering. And think with logic not emotions because your emotions tell you to say that you want my husband to not care about being my chosen man. This kind of feeling makes you feel less insecure about your past.
A TRUE misogynist will never marry a woman. If they do, it's to make them suffer
Finally a woman who understands that.
If you hate someone how can you marry them?
Exactly. You're pretty much getting bound to someone you hate
And i can assure you that some male users here who go around saying all women are whores and golddiggers (misogynistic views) have said they want a virgin.
About time a woman who makes sense started commenting. It's refreshing
If he is a virgin too if makes sense if he is not then there is some issues here.
which one do you prefer for male? @likelyOK
Yeah, I know, right?
Might as well be arguing that somebody who only wants to associate with a certain class, hates the entire population belonging to other classes.
It shouldn't even be up for debate.
I would prefer to marry a virgin. I’m definitely not a virgin but that’s unrealistic so it doesn’t really matter to me as long as she is what I want in a woman. People like what they like. Feminist are stupid.
If this was a conversation you had with a girl here I think I know the one. She kept giving me crap for not wanting a virgin girl. I don't care about a girl sexual past and actually prefer when she is not a virgin.
Apparently that was not acceptable to her... my preferences.
I was talking about instagram's feminists
I don't know why it's an issue that you don't want a virgin. It's not that virgin chase after you and force you to sleep with them lol
Exactly. It's just my preference.
Yes I respect that.
Some guys like the idea of having a wife who sleeps with other men. Everyone has their own preference.
I don't like or dislike that idea. I simply don't care about it. All I care is that I don't have to be her first and have to be carefull with her. Also that way she has experience and is better at it. Aside from that I don+t care if it was with one or a thousand as long as she is mine and only mine while she is with me.
Ok. I meant people have different preferences.
Do you imagine how other men fucked her?
No I don't imagine that. Why would I?
Why wouldn't you. It is what made her experienced. You should love that fact and thinking about it should make you happy
I don't imagine it at all. I like that she has experience, but I don't get nothing for imagine her having sex with other guys.
But does the idea that she did tyrn you on?
Not at all.
@marish01 why should it?
Why doesn't it if you prefer a woman with a promiscuous past?
What does one thing has to do with the other?
Just because I like girls with experience, doesn't mean I like to imagine or think about them having sex with other guys.
But you should love the idea that your beloved woman has had the same sexual activities with them as she has with you.
I love that she is not a virgin. That is all.
That means she is better at sex and that I can go all out with her. That is all. I don't think about the other guys at all.
But the fact that she is experienced is because she had intimacy with many men.
You can't love the former without loving the latter.
There is a difference between feeling lucky that she did had sex with someone before me and thinking about her having sex with someone before me. I feel luck about it, but I don't imagine it in my head.
Think of it like eating a burger. I am happy to eat it, but I don't imagine how the cow was killed and chopped for me to have it.
Aha so sex is that unpleasant?
You don't image but you live tge idea that divks have heen in her. Tge men dud to her what you are doing. You love that idea
What do you mean "the sex is that unpleasant"?
Like I told you, I love her experience. Not the idea of other guys with her.
How do you love her experience without the idea that she had sex with them?
Because I don't think about the moment that made her gave that experience. I just enjoy the moment where I am taking advantage of it.
Again. I am eating the burger, not thinking about how the cow died.
So the idea of her being banged by men is as unpleasant as imagining the death of tge cow?
Is just a metaphor.
I can also say. When I put on a new sweater I am thinking about how good it looks on me, not about the children in a poor country forced to make it to make a living.
I can also say when I see a gorgeous house I only think about the good looking architecture. Not about the big fat construction workers who build it.
In resume, I only need to enjoy what O have in front of me. No need to think about how it was made.
But the idea if her being intimate with many men turns you off therefore you try not to imagine it. Look at your examples. It is obvious the idea she has performed sexual acts on many men is gross to you.
It doesn't gross me out. I can think about it no problem. I just don't because I really don't care about it.
But you do know she has performed those things to many men and you are just another man?
You can't escape the idea that she did all those things even with the men who viewed her as nothing but a sex object and she didn't care she just pleasured them.
The whole idea of it is gross. You can't blame men who wish their beloved women didn't have intimacy with other men.
You youself don't think of that idea positively.
Actually I do.
I am glad my wife was not a virgin before me.
I remember when I asked her if she was a virgin. I was very glad when she told me she wasn't. I really was.
What do I care about the guys she was with before? They are the past I am the present and I am the future.
The male equivalent is women who refuse to have sex with a virgin male because it's "icky." It comes from the idea that women are inherently clean and guys inherently dirty. That sex purifies the guy but polutes the girl.
If he doesn't plan to remain a virgin until he marries as well, then he's asshole at least. The only guys I ever knew that had those ideas (and they didn't apply the same principles to their own life) were those who only valued a woman by what she has between her legs, but will explain their shitty behaviour with biology.
If an angry feminist said so then it must be true, and it must be the most important thing in the world. Can someone please get Joe Biden on the phone
An oblique response:
Why won't the Second Coming occur in Alabama? God won't be able to find three wise men and a virgin.
Agree, im not into sluts, and if someone tells me i have to, they can go to a nearby toilet bowl, and eat shit
Preach it!
No, but a guy who things he "deserves" virgin because he thinks they are superior and he is owed one simply because he has a penis is.
I am a virgin and I want my husband to not be a virgin. I want him to value my virginity instead.
Do you think he doesn't deserve me?
I think it's completely irrelevant.
Absolutely not. This is something brainwashed radical liberals say. It makes absolutely no sense.