Why do or did you want marriage or no marriage? What are the benefits and/or drawbacks?

[Jammaa]

[Kaamraj]

I am in the top 10% of my country with respect to socioeconomics and for myself do not want marriage. I am not saying completely no, but if I am to get married it will be only for children and there also a pre-nup would be done stipulating that in case of divorce, what she gets would be based on how many years we have been together. She's not getting anything that I had acquired before marriage eg. my house, car, furniture, etc. My personal funds will be separate from the marital household funds, and they will never be co-mingled. Basically, I intend to protect myself and my finances legal to the best of the abilities of several prominent lawyers in my country.

I would advise the average, or even above average man against marriage or at least wait until they are 35 before marriage because men are overwhelmingly more at risk in case the marriage fails. And fail it will most probably with more than half of marriages ending in divorces and women filing overwhelmingly majority of the times. Remember you are getting into a contract with someone who is incentivized to break it. Anything you can get in a marriage you can get without one, the only exception would be if you want children because a two parent household is still the best environment that a child can get. If you dont want children then dont get married.

[exitseven]

I was sick and tired of dating with all the games and deceit. I found somebody who was sweet and kind and honest. I wanted to spend my life with her. I think there were more benefits. We supported each other. We bought a house, had a family , went on vacations and had adventures. None of this would have happened if I remained single.

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO😎

[LovingLoverReturned]

There are still good people who are marriage material. It's just to identify them. Educating oneself about relationships can be done.

A marriage can be ANYTHING we want as long as we agree before hand or get into a routine before. You don't HAVE to have kids at once you don't HAVE to give up all your hobbies..

I know for a fact, because I know successful marriages that aren't strained by expectations of society.

You will have problems whether married or not but not necessarily related to marriage itself. A good partner can be your teammate and make beating the problems easier... and a bad partner do the opposite so never rush into marriage, is my advice to myself and anyone, allow the real situations life throws unpredictably at you as a couple to be the test. Quality time. One man's drawback is another man's ppleasure perceptions and personal standards and boundaries are necessarily established before marriage.

[weysally]

first attraction, then sexual attraction, then good company, then came love, from then lots of things,
I consider myself lucky to have met my now husband in the first place, we met on the spur of the moment from me to call in a café for a coffee, and I shared a table with him

[midnightmoon05]

I didn’t care if I married or not. Or have kids or not.
I have always been a free spirit…
when the time came … I looked for a mate… it happened … his grandparents down in Fl. asked… so my mother in law planned the big wedding.
then his grandfather was diagnosed with cancer … so I said maybe we can bring joy to make him a great grand father.. and I became pregnant. My mom said have another since I was staying home … so we did…
after the divorce… I was sad… very sad… I took nothing … and rebuild myself…
then I started to date and met my second husband here..
second marriage is not about me… he was never married due to fear… so I pushed him to get married … we just got married Feb.
it’s just a paper …

make the best of each, give the love we both deserve. Treat each with respect. Raise the children the same way.
benefits, you have each other’s back.
my son who is turning 13… I asked why would he want a girlfriend. He said so he won’t be lonely. Lol
drawbacks… like anything in life… work through the difficulties alone or together… then it won’t seem as hard.

[Ironmunkee]

I want someone to open my life to. Someone to spend the rest of my life with. Someone whom will know and accept me and all my flaws. Someone to wake up to and hold, someone to grow with, and someone to be there for/be there for me when life gets hard. Someone to raise a family with as little imitations of us.

I want to be the cute and still romantic old couple at the restaurant sitting on the same side of the booth in our 70s.

[melanieeeB]

Since I can remember I wasn't all in for the marriage wagon, friends already knew exactly their dress and how that day would go and I would just sit there and nod lol

I can't tell you a reason tho for me it was never that special, by now I could tell you a dress I would like and the ring but I still don't need to get married

[KingofCups]

No Marriage/Family

1. More Disposable Income
2. More opportunities to travel the world
3. More Sex, Diversified Sex
4. No 20+ year responsibilities of raising a child
5. More personal freedom
6. More time to focus on personal development
7. Can always enjoy Nightclubs/Nightlife

[bamesjond0069]

Well as a Christian, the Bible says in Genesis 3: "Your desire shall be contrary to your husband,
but he shall rule over you.” So in terms of modern legal marriage I believe it is anti Christian since how can a man rule over his wife if she has all the power given to her by court of law? So I would never legally marry as it currently exists.

That being said I would marry as in commit to a woman in the way marriage generally worked in the past.

[KrakenAttackin]

@bamesjond0069. The Quran talks about how Hell is filled with ungrateful women, mostly bad wives.

[bamesjond0069]

@KrakenAttackin now that really does sound like hell!

[KrakenAttackin]

Agreed!

[t-8900]

I'm a Christian so it's part of my way of life. The benefits are knowing that if you are married you're more likely to not just throw in the towel. In a healthy marriage you'll both bring out the best in each other. The drawback is getting married to the wrong partner and going through ugly divorce court. Yikes. I'd you do get divorced try to do it amicably and be civilized and fair (unless you married a cheating good for nothing or abuser).

[bamesjond0069]

Read my post. Im curious on your take. Basically marriage of the Bible is not the same thing as modern marriage. They might use the same word but its actually the opposite meaning so to fulfill the Bible i would oppose a modern marriage yet i would not oppose a commitment before God.

[t-8900]

I think it's highly subjective. Have you looked into orthodoxy?

[bamesjond0069]

No. Just try to read and think w an uninfluenced clean slate mind. Thats what I've come up with.

[AviatorTom]

When I was younger, I got married to have kids and raise a family. After the 20-year marriage ended in an amicable divorce, I would now get married for companionship, to do things together, especially travel to places I wouldn't otherwise go to.

[Anonymous]

Just one of many reasons why less men will marry...

Divorce filings jump 50 per cent in week after UK introduces ‘no fault’ law

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/04/14/divorce-filings-jump-50-per-cent-after-uk-introduces-no-fault-law/

[Anonymous]

If you're going to have kids, get married. The whole institution of marriage is about raising kids. If you're not going to have kids, I'm not really sure what the point is.

[shaysh87]

you dont need marriage to have kids. Marriage or not, the kids will still have mom and dad as long as they are still alive

[Opinion Owner]

@shaysh87 Yeah--you don't HAVE to. But kids that grow up in a married household do better on pretty much every measure of well being on average than do kids from unmarried households. Hence the importance of marriage for kids.

[shaysh87]

thats an easy over assumption that doesn't take into consideration of many things.

cramming two incompatible people in the house with life stressors, just leads to a lot of fighting, verbal / emotional turmoil, abuse. Two happy parents who live separately and peacefully is better than two incompatible people who have many problems with each other.

[Opinion Owner]

@shaysh87 Yeah that's true. But two married parents in a good relationship is unquestionably the best set up for kids. There's a TON of research that supports that--no assumptions needed.

[shaysh87]

"a good relationsihp" is not something that is avaialble to every single fmaily on earth.

And just because a kid does not live with both parents under one roof, it really does not significantly decrease this child's chances of success in life especially if the kid comes from a financially well-off family, has superior education, quality of parenting at home.

Making a child into a successful adult has many different aspects to it, not just two parents living under one roof.

[shaysh87]

You can't say that every kid will be successful if they lived with both parents under one roof. there are any factors that affect a child's success:

1. are the parents who both live under one roof have good parenting skills?
2. are both of the parents financially stable enough to provide this child a suprieror education?
3. are any one of the parents emotionally or verbally abusive?
4. do both of the parents have a good relationship?
5. does any one of the parents have mental issues?

I grew up in a family where both parents are married. Incompetent, bad parents who provided me food, shelter, clothes, bed but never any emotional support. I was even verbally / emotionally abused. Honestly, I would be happier and saner if I were raised by a good single mom. I'd definitely say that its quality of relationships rather than quantity.

[shaysh87]

you're acting as if a child is cursed or doomed if it isn't raised by both parents under 1 roof. they really aren't.

Sure, two married couples raising children is ideal, but you can't say this as a guarantee that the kid will always turn out well in life. In fact, I have seen many kids who were raised by married couples to turn out entitled, lazy, unmotivated. Many kids raised too comfortably by happy married couples tend to be entitled, overfed, spoiled, lazy.

[Opinion Owner]

@shaysh87 Oh, on average it SIGNIFICANTLY impacts a child's welfare in the negative. Also, child poverty is OVERWHELMINGLY represented in single parent households. So yes--lots of factors can ameliorate having one parent, but they're the exception not the rule.

There are indeed MANY factors that go into making a child a successful adult. It just turns out that on average one of the BIGGEST factors that predicts misery for a child is a broken household. If that's the situation than you do the best you can with it, but it's a pretty bad situation to put a kid into.

Also NOWHERE did I say "a child is doomed" if he's coming from a single parent household. Also, nowhere did I say if both parents are married it's all good. What I DID say (and what the child welfare literature will OVERWHELMINGLY support) is that on average, children from intact households have MUCH better outcomes than do children from single parent households. And it's not really even close. I'm not sure what we gain by denying that.

[shaysh87]

For decades, researchers have said children from two-parent families do better than those raised by a single parent. That's still true, they say. But newer research pokes holes into that all-or-nothing approach, says fatherhood expert Michael Lamb, a psychology professor at the University of Cambridge in England.

"The key point is yes, there is a risk," he says. "But it's not really a risk inherent in the single-parent family, per se. You can't assume that every child raised by a single parent is going to have difficulties. The majority don't."

Another expert on fatherhood, sociologist Tim Biblarz of the University of Southern California-Los Angeles, says the evidence shows economics plays a significant role in the risk for negative outcomes, such as poorer grades and lower educational attainment, substance abuse or poor social adjustment.

"Those who grow up with single mothers with adequate socioeconomic resources tend to do well. The children of poor single mothers are more at risk," Biblarz says. "Many of the results that say that kids are at increased risk for negative outcomes have to do with economics."

Lamb says children do better if they have a good relationship with the in-home parent, as well as if the parents have low conflict; if the parent has economic resources; and if children have individual resilience to adverse circumstances.

"What's important is not whether they are raised by one or two parents. It's how good is the relationship with the parent, how much support they're getting from that parent and how harmonious is the environment.

"In the case of Obama, his mother was not particularly well off, though she was well-resourced intellectually and had been to college and had supportive parents," Lamb says.

abcnews.go.com/.../story

[shaysh87]

did you know president barack obama was raised by a single mom?

[shaysh87]

For children born to young mothers with little education and older mothers with a lot of education, growing up in a married household doesn’t make much of a difference in terms of the likelihood that they’ll graduate from high school and earn more than poverty-level wages by the time they’re 25, according to working paper distributed this week by the National Bureau of Economic Research, a Washington, D. C.-based research group. Children born to mothers in the middle of the education and age spectrum, on the other hand, benefit from growing up in married households.

nypost.com/.../

[shaysh87]

Indeed, the share of children born to mothers in the middle of the education spectrum who graduated high school, didn’t differ much depending whether they grew up in a married household or not. Children born to mothers with a high-school diploma who earned a high-school diploma ranged from 78.5% for those who were raised by unmarried parents to 87.7% for those raised by married parents, the study found. Children born to mothers with some college had a similar range in high-school diploma attainment.

nypost.com/.../

[shaysh87]

[There are indeed MANY factors that go into making a child a successful adult. It just turns out that on average one of the BIGGEST factors that predicts misery for a child is a broken household. If that's the situation than you do the best you can with it, but it's a pretty bad situation to put a kid into.]

Not all single mother households are broken households. You seem to rush to conclusions way too much. There are plenty of single moms who are educated, financially stable, loving, great moms. There are plenty of single moms who have grandparents to care for their children. There are plenty of single moms who have houses, cars, have enough money to go on vacations, send their kids to top schools. Your assumption that all single moms must be broke, destitute, on child support, uneducated, work low wage jobs, is stupid.

The data shows that kids are worse off in single mother families because the vast majority of single moms are African Americans living in the ghettos. African American communities under poverty have the highest rates of single moms. This is why there is this assumption that ALL single moms must be under poverty. People fail to realize that the single mom epidemic is predominantly within a certain race and within a certain socioeconomic class.

[shaysh87]

I grew up with married parents. I never had a good relationship with them. I feel like I came from a broken household. but you wouldn't' call it a "broken household" because my parents are married. I grew up being emotionally, verbally abused by them. They favorited my brother and bullied me. Honestly, I would feel better if I were raised by good loving single mom instead of having to endure all that I had to go through. If a child is happy with the single parent they are being raised by, how do you accuse that of being a "broken family"? A happy child being raised by a good parent shouldn't be categorized as a "broken family". I grew up being abused and emotionally disconnected from my married parents. This itself should be categorized as a "broken home".

Its really the quality of relationships that determine whether or not a kid has a good childhood. Not whether or not your parents are married. I'd rather have an amazing loving single mom and than some shitty married parents.

[Vegasrunner]

Agreed. Marriage is an institution that benefits women only. If you want to have kids then marriage makes sense but w/o it seems like a big waste of time.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

you can't even get a woman to marry you.

[Opinion Owner]

@shaysh87 LOL! I love how you keep forcing words into my mouth that I'm not saying. I know you WANT me to be saying those words because they're easy to refute, but I'm NOT saying them. At NO point did I say "every child raised by a single parent is going to have difficulties," or indeed anything like that. I also never said that there's no way a child raised by a single parent can ever amount to anything. (And yes, I'm aware of who Barack Obama is). What I DID say and what data amply shows is that children in two parent households are OVERWHELMINGLY better off than those in single parent households.

Since you're focused on noting that economics matters a lot, here's the data for the United States: Approximately 11 million children live in poverty. That's roughly 14% of all US children. The rate of childhood poverty amongst married couples is 6.4%, or less than HALF the average rate. For unmarried male-headed households the childhood poverty rate is 16.4% and for unmarried female-headed households that number is 36.4%. So yeah--you CAN have a great economic situation in a single parent household, but the ODDS are definitely working against you.

Source: Center for American Progress www.americanprogress.org/.../

[shaysh87]

@Opinion owner,

thats because vast majority of single moms are in African American communities under poverty. You never took that into consideration. You clearly do not know how to analyze data.

[Opinion Owner]

@shaysh87 LOL! You've got the problem backwards my friend. The poverty predictor IS single parenthood--NOT race. Black kids from intact households are actually not that badly off. White kids AND black kids from broken households ARE. Family structure is much stronger predictor of poverty than race is. It's true that more black people are from broken households, but the issue is the broken household moreso than the blackness.

[shaysh87]

@Opinion owner,

Family structure is not the needed for raising children successfully. The reason why married households are less likely to be under poverty is because two incomes combined by both working parents is stronger than 1 income from a single parent household.

But as studies have shown if the single mom is equipped financially to raise the child, then her kids are just as well off as kids raised by married couples.

But couples do not need to be married to BOTH financially support their children

[shaysh87]

you don't seem to know how to think or analyze data, you don't know anything other than to regurgitate data presented to you.

how about the research that shows educated, financially well-off single moms are just as able to rise kids as successfully as those from married households?

abcnews.go.com/.../story

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 TY for sharing that do you feel sufficiently heard?

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

they hear it, but they just don't like to admit it cuz it hurts their feelings

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Not sure what your talking about we hope you feel heard. Since you're not really bringing anything of value to the conversation we can only assume you're just looking for attention. So do you feel sufficiently heard?

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

hahahah thats hilarious. i think you're one who brings no value to this conversation. take a look at the projection. you're the attention seeker on here. if you have nothing valuable related to this topic of discussion, why are you in this thread? Attention seeker, do you feel heard?

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

what do you bring to this topic of conversation? i don't know you, get out of this thread

[KrakenAttackin]

Kids are great, wives are AWFUL.

[shaysh87]

@KrakenAttackin

unfortunately for men, you can't have kids without a wife.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Thata cute to see but all anyone would have to do is read our exchange. You dont really have a position. All you do is make outrageous false statements and then pretend as if your whining is the evidence. You're entertaining but I'm not sure anyone believes you bring any value. You just sound like a bitter women who has very little actual experience w/ the things she's talking about. You give the same response claiming that the other person is mad, or upset or some other useless female trait simply because you're unable to have an adult conversation. I suspect you're probably closer to teenage age vs being an adult.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

oh... sounds like someone is pissed off. were you pissed off that I said men can't have kids without a wife? and why are you stalking me on GAG?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Lol, typical response when you aren't able to articulate a point. You continue to make the mistake of believing people are as immature as you are. I realize how important it is for you to receive attention but no one is interested in stalking you. You simply happen to say some of the most outrageous things on GAG so people call u on it. Kids and marriage is your obsession so not even sure why you're bringing that up but ty fir sharing.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

haha are you still butt hurt over the fact I'm not attracted to you? Its not gonna change regardless of how much you harass me.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I have no clue what your talking about but I understand how important it is for you to feel wanted. Unfortunately as I have said 100's of time. I'm not interested in you. I wish you would stop lying and I really hope that you get the help that you need.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

I'm pretty sure you are interested in me. I'm 26 and you're stalking me non stop all over GAG.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Lol, now it makes sense. You're looking for attention. Unfortunately no I'm not interested in you, I'm only on GAG to hear different perspectives. Your not the first women that has become obsessed w/ me so I understand but no I'm interested in anything but hearing your opinion. Ty and I hope this is the last time I need to say this.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

i think you're the one on here looking for attention. you're on a thread that you have no business being in

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I'm sure you think that but you've already proven you're not that smart.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

i dont know how you think stalking and harassing me all over GAG is gonna change what im attracted to. I'm young, I don't have to go for an old man like you.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I realize you need to make things up to feel better about yourself but just a reminder no one wants you including me. I seriously hope you get the help you need.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

you mad , bro?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I'm not sure what you're referring to but I do hope you get the mental help you need.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

i hope you stop hoping that i'd be attracted to you. its never gonna happen, ok?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Why would anyone be attracted to you?

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

so why are you so pissed when women in their 20s aren't attracted to you? why are you still harassing me out of nowhere now?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 It's unfortunate you feel the need to just make things up, but it does highlight how important attention is for women. I do hope you get the help you need.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner so why are you stalking and harassing me all over GAG if you're not mad that im not attracted to you?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 TY for sharing that. This is another example of the dangers of false accusations and baseless claims. I'm fortunate that at least you're forced to displays these lies in writing.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

you're sooo mad

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I forgot what you were talking about what an I supposed to be mad at?

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

you're mad cuz im not attracted to old men like you.

[Jammaa]

@shaysh87 @Vegasrunner

I just wanted to wish you both love and happiness

[Vegasrunner]

@Jammaa Thanks. You as well

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I'm not even sure why you think I care who you're attracted to. That's very weird I really hope you get the help you need.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Also. I just met and banged a 21 year old college student this weekend so I think your belief is incorrect.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

there's a reason why she's banging you but not dating you.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Well I would hope so lol, That's literally all I want.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

I banged a 50 yr old man before. I would never date or marry an old far like that.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

but I can say the vast majority of 40-50 yr old aren't fuckable to me. they all look like shit. Only desperate women who can't get dick would fuck old guys

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Now I see where you're confused. You're making the mistake of believing that men think like women. High Value guys like me aren't looking for "relationships" Why would I want to be locked down w/ one woman when I can bang a different one whenever I want. The goal for you is to try to find one and then lock him down. The goal for me is to just keep adding as many woman as possible.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 That cool to share but it's not relevant. there's billions of women on the planet and what one won't do the next one will. Now that I see where you're flawed it makes more sense why you think the way you do. One girl doesn't matter, men should have an abundance mentality and focus on the ones that are worth their time.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

"high value " guys like you would also never be able to have kids or a family. You will die a lonely miserable old man. Men need women to have a family. Women don't need men to have a family. I can say vast majority of men want families and children. Nobody wants to die alone.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Lol, again you're making the mistake of applying your wants to men. A family, children etc is a women's want. You leave this world the same why you enter alone. So that's not a huge deal but women need to have a family to make them complete men dont need that. Reality a high value man like myself that has influenced and inspired so many people is going to have exponentially more people at my funeral than a basic women like yourself. Sounds like that's your fear so you'll need to hurry and find someone b4 you lose your value.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

I think you're the only one who won't have anyone to go home to celebrate Christmas or Thanksgiving with. You're gonna be the old man that nobody gives a shit about, nobody checks up on you or is concerned about you by the time you hit 65. Nobody will bury you or attend your funeral either.

On the other hand, I have a family to celebrate Christmas / Thanksgiving with every year. We have barbeques at my house with all my kids, grand kids, daughter in laws, son in laws, its a bustling hot big family house where we all have each others backs. We exchange gifts. My grandkids tell me that they love me.

Meanwhile you get no gifts. Nobody rushes to the hospital if you have a heart attack.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

My grown kids take me out to eat at the restaurant for my birthday. All my grandkids will be there. All my daughter / son in laws are there to wish me a happy birthday. While you eat all alone with nobody to talk to. Nobody will even care to look at you.

If I break my leg , my grown kids are gonna care for me, Bathe me, cook for me, feed me, make sure that I'm ok. Or they can help pay for a caregiver to take care of me. While you lay in your own puddle of filth and starve cuz nobody cares about you.

When I die, I will have a huge family to mourn over my death. You will have nobody. Even if there is a few people, nobody would shed a tear because you simply aren't that valuable to them.

I think the difference between having a family and not having anyone at all is HUGE

[KrakenAttackin]

Which is why the "family law" needs to be completely revamped

[shaysh87]

@KrakenAttackin

There is no law that requires you to be married to have kids

[KrakenAttackin]

@shaysh87 No shit lady.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 You're again making the mistake of believing that what is important to you is important to me. You have grandkids?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I think I understand why you're so upset now. Sounds like these are all things that you want but dont have and you mistakenly believe I care about this nonesense. Sounds like you've got some work to do to achieve this however, none of this is a goal of mine, or most high value men for that matter. Hopefully you can find someone willing to settle for you before it's to late but I see the pressure is getting to you. A lot of time when people are scared they attempt to transfer their problems to others. Hopefully you can get the helped you need.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

you're an aging old man with no children, nobody who gives a shit about you, pissed off by the fact that vasr majority of young women aren't looking to date an old man like you.

I dont want to be like you when i hit 46. Sorry.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Tecnically we're all aging so there's nothing you can do to stop that. I realize you're obsessed w/ me but unfortunately it would be difficult for you to be like me no matter how old you get. I've made a ton of money, have multiple assets, investments friends all over the world the ability to travel weekly and I get to pick from a different woman on a nightly basis. You should try to start small and make something of yourself first, and then grow from there. Try to find an average guy and hope he'll settle for someone like you.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

Im young in my 20s. I have the rest of my life ahead of me. I have the rest of mt life to build my wealth, family, happiness, find love. Im not some old aging lonely fart who is suffering from a mid life crisis cursing out young women who isn't attracted to him. Your life is not too far from being over. Give it another 15 years and you will be in an elderly home. You are single , childless, bitter, unattractive, aging old man with nobody who cares whether you live or die.

So no i dont want to be like you by the time i hit 46.

At my young age, i have a great paying career and i can very well comfortably support 2 kids on my own by the time i hit my 30s. At this early in life, Im planning on purchasing a beautiful house in florida with a gorgeous view in front of a sea.
You dont have any reason to feel bad for me. I have everything i need in life

Im still attractive and in my prime. Not like some old aged fuck like you who orders prostitutes every night

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

Nobody wants a one night stand over a loving relationship. you're retarded if you think people actually want one night stands over love.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

You will die with nobody at your side.

I will die with family who tell me they love me, or that im an amazing mom/grandma, and begging god that i won't die and continue to live on. I will die feeling loved and treasured.

there's nothing in the world that i will trade for that. I wouldn't trade dying alone for a billion dollars. There are certain things money can't buy

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Youth is only relevant if you do something to it and as long as you hold this much anger and self loathing you'll be stuck where you are. You're bragging about one day trying to build wealth, happiness and love. I already have those things. You're talking about a paying career to someone that owns companies, and I'm not sure why you would want to bring kids into this world when you can barely afford to support yourself and you're going to try to do it on one income? This is why so many AA women struggle. You're bragging about one day owning a home, I closed on a property yesterday. Forget trying to get on my level you should focus on getting started in life.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I can't control what other people want.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I'm sure you have a good understanding of what money can't buy. I've been poor and I've been rich, rich is better.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

you can have money but you have no love or happiness. who loves you? NOBODY. who pays any attention to you? NOBODY. who would care if you died? NOBODY. you can't be happy living this way regardless of whatever money you have. Money can't buy love.

And if you have so much money and you're soo happy as you claim you are, then why would you feel the need to endlessly harass other people for not being attracted to you? because in reality, you're just an angry, bitter , aging old man who is INSECURE about himself.

I have met rich men. Real rich confident men aren't terribly bothered if young women aren't attracted to them. Because these men are confident and have way too many interesting things going on for them. You don't ooze confidence at all. You ooze a lot of anger, bitterness, hate, insecurity.

I don't think you have any money at all. You're just an angry loser.

There is a saying:
People who have nothing positive to say about others, usually never have anything positive to say about their own lives.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

[I'm not sure why you would want to bring kids into this world when you can barely afford to support yourself and you're going to try to do it on one income? This is why so many AA women struggle. You're bragging about one day owning a home, I closed on a property yesterday. Forget trying to get on my level you should focus on getting started in life.]

I work a job that pays 80-90 dollars an hour , saving lives on a daily basis. I also have two college degrees. I'm planning on studying for a masters degree in a few years too, which will heighten my pay to 100-140 an hour. Earning potential will even be higher when I start my own business. I dont need a man to support my kids. I can do very well supporting them on my own. Men aren't necessary to a womans life. I'm happy with the way my life is heading along with my prospects.

I still have a lot of time to build wealth, find love, get married, have kids. Your life is already almost over, you're out of your marriage prime and you're still not married, childless, lonely and bitter. I don't want to end up like you when I hit 46. sorry.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Not sure why you believe you would know who loves me considering we've never met. That's very strange. The answer to your second question is easy, you're premise is false. No one has "harrassed" you you're simply struggling w/ hearing anothe POV and the attraction thing is something you just keep making up to attempt take yourself feel relevant. You are more than welcome to "think" what you like however considering it's that same thinking that has landed you in the position you're in. I definitely agree w/ that saying and anyone reading your content can clearly see how accurately it applies to you. As I have stated, I just hope you get the help you need.

[shaysh87]

I'm not hoping to get on your level either. I'm living in New York City currently eyeing properties in florida. This isn't the only home that I'm planning on owning throughout my lifetime either. There would definitely be more.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

I am not attracted to you. So now stop stalking me all over GAG. Any further stalking or harassment will not change my stance.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

[No one has "harrassed" you you're simply struggling w/ hearing anothe POV and the attraction thing is something you just keep making up to attempt take yourself feel relevant. ]

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings so badly that you had to stalk me all over GAG, sir. Maybe grow some balls and take it like a man instead of throwing your little child temper tantrum

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 If you're trading you're time for money then you're still a long way off. You keep bringing up men, but it doesn't seem like there are any men offering to be in your life anyway so why are you concerned? I'm not even sure whose asking you to find a man, there's billions of women in the world why would anyone care if you can't find a man? Not sure why you think you have so much time, unfortunately your value decreases everyday, especially for the things that seem to be so important to you. Now it makes a little more sense why you behave the way you do. All I can say is they to not let the pressure of aging get to you.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

I think the value of BOTH men and women goes down as we age. But its just that you like to shit on older women way too much on this website. So I'm gonna shit on older men , right back. You like to brag about how you're not attracted to women in their 40s? I'm not attracted to men in their 40s either. And its the truth.

Evolutionarily younger people in their 20s-30s will always be more attracted than people in their 40s-50s due to the ability to produce healthier offspring. Its just the TRUTH.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Lol, you need to start w/ one.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Yes you have said this before and it's just as odd and unsolicited now as it was b4.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

Your value in the dating market goes down as you age too. I'm gonna remind you that.
A 30 yr old man will always have the advantage of picking up a hot sexy 21 yr old than a 45 yr old man, any day. The evidence is in the statistics and data about what type of men the vast majority of women like to date / marry. Vast majority of young women date young men who are just a few years older than them.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I like the fact that you highlight how important feelings are to woman. I'm not sure how someone can get made over text conversation w/ someone they dont know. Apparently this is something that takes place amongst your peers. This is all the more reason I encourage you to seek help.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

take a look at porn. do you see young men doing pornos or old , aging men with saggy balls? old men aren't hot, thats why they never show old guys in porn.

Just like how porn typically dont show fat women. when you go on a porno website, its always a slim woman with huge breasts.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 You would be wrong. Women and Mens value typically intersect at 30 at which point womens value decreases while men's value begins to increase. I dont "shit" on anyone as I treat all people w/ respect. You'll never find any quote of my name calling, cursing or insulting anyone I have too much character for that. I'm not sure if the same can be said about you as you seem to spend a lot of time doing those things.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

I'm not attracted to 46 yr old men. So stop antagonizing me and go away.
I'm gonna shit on older men , just like you like to shit on older women.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Yes you've said this b4 and it's just as irrelevant to the conversation now as it was previously thank for sharing. Do you feel sufficiently heard?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I think the bigger issue is why do you need to spend so much time watching porm?

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

I'm a woman. I know what I'm attracted to. You don't need to tell me what I'm attracted to. I can tell you that the vast majority of men hit the wall by 35. every year after that, he just starts looking worse and worse and worse. Men look best in their late 20s to early 30s. No amount of harassment will change it. I like young guys over old guys. Sorry old man.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Yes you've said this b4, however I'm still trying to find the part of the conversation where anyone claimed to be attracted to you.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Unfortunately for you it's not really going to matter who you're attracted to in a few years. What you've gotta do is try to find a man that's attracted to you.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

Its way easier for me , as a 26 yr old, to get a date than some old aging unattractive 46 yr old , lonely bitter old man. I'm in my prime. You're not. Even a 32 yr old woman would have a better dating market than some old aging saggy guy like you.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 If that's true then why am I the one banging 20-30-40 year olds while you're still looking for a man?

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

haha so why does statistics show vast majority of 21 yr old females are dating males under 30?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 But if I understand you correctly you're not dating anyone, so are you saying you're in the bottom percentage of females?

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

[If that's true then why am I the one banging 20-30-40 year olds while you're still looking for a man?]

I'm not even looking for a man anymore. In the past, plenty of men have fallen in love with me, I never reciprocated interest. I can have a family without a man. I'm not even planning on getting married.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

[But if I understand you correctly you're not dating anyone, so are you saying you're in the bottom percentage of females?]

even fat women can get laid more than the average guy. The truth is, men will always be more desperate for sex than women. Men are always the ones hunting for sex while women are the ones withholding it.

There is a saying:

men will always be desperately hunting for sex.
women use sex as a manipulation tool to get things from men.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Yes and women will always hunt relationships w/ high value men we use this as a manipulation tool to get sex from women so it works out perfectly.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

why are you complaining that women chase high value men if men only chase women in their 20s?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I'm not sure who'se complaining I'm a high value men so I want as many women chasing as possible as they should be. Sounds like you're just using statements like complaining, attraction to cover up your lack of ability to accurately contribute to the conversation. This is actually a textbook tactic that a lot of women use to cover their personal insecurities. TY for sharing this.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

high value man is not a wrinkling, aging old man, getting saggy, fatter, and losing increasingly more hair by the day. I'm not attracted to you and never will be.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 TY for sharing but no one cares who you're attracted to. You need serious help, it's unfortunate you feel the need to just make things up to make yourself feel of value.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

u mad , bro?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 You say that a lot. I'm not sure what that means but TY for sharing.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

yea im sure you're mad.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 That's a standard female trait. It's easier for you to claim that someone is "mad" then have to actually accept your own failures. The fact that emotion plays such a big part in your thought process is what has proably limited you to this point in your life.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

I think you're the one who is running deep in "female emotion" because you're still angry over what I said. I have nothing to be angry about, I still look good, have the rest of my life to have kids, find love, build wealth. I'm not some unattractive 46 yr old, lonely , bitter old man angry over the fact that he's still single and childless. If you're not hitched by 46, you'll never get hitched. Pretty young ladies aren't looking for grampy or mcdaddies to build a life with.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I'm not even sure what you shared that would make me angry. Looking through your comments I dont even see any thats remotely true so there's nothing to even acknowledge much ess feel angry. My hope is through this dialogue more men read your comments so they can understand how older frustrated desperate women think. You've created an entire scenario in your head that you wish were true w/o any evidence of it and are using GAG to pretend it's accurate. This is probably a reason why you're still single. Think about you've spent this time trying to convince yourself that I'm "angry' over something I've already told you I have no interest. I've spent my time building my business and banging chicks. I've had to tell you repeatedly I dont want children, and an not attracted to you. However because you dont really have a point t make I've forced you to respond the only way you know how highlighting how women are simply unable to live in reality. You've taken your own life failures and attempted to apply them to GAG highlighting how women dont take accountability. Hopefully someone cam reach out and help you get help. I have an infinite supply I young 20 somethings at my disposal and literally just turned one down last night so I'm not the best person to discuss your rant w/. by the way did you see 81 yr old Al Pacino is dating a 28 year old?

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

There is overwhelming data that shows young women have a huge preference for young guys in their 20-30s when it comes to dating and marriage

So its time you stop your old man rant. No matter how much ranting you do, it won't make me more attracted to you

Its worse to be a single man than a single woman. Single women dont die alone, single men die alone

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

Im pretty sure you're not even fucking anyone right now. Thats why you're still so bitter and angry.

Why dont you smile instead?

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 You've said these things b4. None are true, accurate and relevant. If that was the case then why are you even telling me. You want people to care about something that only affects you if you're concerned about dying alone then I suggest you fix it. This entire conversation is a person I never met telling me that I should be concerned about something that doesn't happen. If you're so afraid of dying alone why dont you just try to find a man that will settle for you. Sounds like none of this is relevant to me so why should I care that you're scared of dying alone?

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

hunnie, get a life. I know you don't have any chicks to bang or any money.

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Lol, I was just thinking you would be contacting me again. W/ your permission I'd love to share your comments because I think you do a good job of highlighting how much misery loves company. You spend countless hours on her attempting to convince other people that their lives are as shitty as yours. It's pretty ironic that you spend countless hours on this platform trying to tell people how bas their life us when ironically the only one admitting failure is you. Literally am sitting in my Hotel Room after banging another young chick that I just met today, and am starting to think that you may be a good luck charm. So please continue to make up your fantasy world stories, lie to yourself and make immature remarks because almost every time you do the complete opposite happens. So please respond w/ another "your mad" or your attracted to my avatar statement so we all can have a good laugh.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

If you were a young man, you wouldn’t still be on here harassing me

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 Oh so you're saying young men dont talk to you. It could be your personality I've never met you so I can't say why they dont.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

Im not the sad bitter one on here hunnie. You are the sad bitter one. I have no reason to be sad like you. I can tell women dont want you. If they wanted you, u wouldn't be so sad

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 I'm not sure what I would be sad about, I literally live the life that's the envy of most men. Meanwhile From what you've told me you're poor, dont own a home, dont have any kids and aren't able to keep a man yet you keep saying how important those things are to you. Perhaps you should focus less on other people's lives and start trying to turn yours around because at your age you are running out of time for some of those things.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

You like to prance around GAG talking shit about older women. But when i tell you im not attracted to you, you can't take it. Haha

[Vegasrunner]

@shaysh87 It's strange that I have to tell you this again but unfortunately for you I have no attraction to you, it's weird that I have to keep telling you that. I'm not sure what you're referring to but I'm glad you feel the need to share as both of those statements are not only false their completely fabricated. It does show how important attention is to women as you're willing to lie to yourself just to get it.

[shaysh87]

@Vegasrunner

mr. saggy and wrinkly thinks he's hot shit.

[RedpRms]

I can see not tangible benefit and overall think it's a bad idea for guys if they aren't ruthless in veting the women they're with. I'm with a woman doesn't subscribe to the social retardation going on with the modern woman so I gave marriage a chance.

[devilish-cutie]

i want marriage cause im possesive and i want someone to be as well legally mine and that everyone knows how serious we are about eachother

[Anonymous]

Let me see as a guy:

Benefits: Sometimes the woman will take your last name and that's kinda cool.

Drawbacks: Everything else

[TheFlak38]

there are no benefits for men. Marriage serves only the interests of women.

[KrakenAttackin]

You beat me to it. There are zero advantages to marriage for a man. Marriage is 100% for women.

[Anonymous]

Marriage isn't what is used to be many years ago and it's isn't worth it anymore for men.

[RationalMale]

I'm more a no marriage fan personally.

[michael1469]

2x was enough...