Why are modern men avoiding marriages?

[hello123456789]

I need some honest reponses. Why are men avoiding marriage? Are the women's standards too high? Or do men not want to be loyal? Is it a financial issue?

[Anonymous]

The trend of modern men avoiding marriages is a complex phenomenon that cannot be attributed to a single cause, as it involves various social, economic, and cultural factors. Some of the key reasons include:

1. Changing social norms: In many societies, there has been a shift in traditional gender roles and expectations. Men and women now have more opportunities for education, careers, and personal fulfillment outside of marriage, leading some men to prioritize other aspects of life over marriage.

2. Fear of commitment: Some men may have experienced negative or challenging relationship experiences, making them hesitant to commit to marriage. The fear of divorce or being trapped in an unhappy marriage can also play a role in their avoidance of formal commitments.

3. Financial considerations: The economic landscape has changed, and young men may feel the pressure of financial responsibilities associated with marriage, such as providing for a family or buying a house. Economic instability can deter men from getting married until they feel more secure in their financial situation.

4. Relationship alternatives: In today's world, there are various relationship models and alternatives to traditional marriage, such as cohabitation, long-term partnerships without formal marriage, or focusing on personal growth and individual goals.

5. Influence of divorce rates: High divorce rates in some countries have made some men cautious about entering into marriages. They may fear the potential emotional and financial consequences of divorce.

6. Delayed adulthood: Younger generations often experience delayed adulthood due to factors like extended education, establishing careers, and other life experiences. As a result, they might postpone marriage until they feel more settled in their lives.

7. Cultural shifts: In certain societies, there might be a decline in the social pressure or stigma associated with remaining single or cohabiting without marriage.

It's important to note that these reasons are general trends and don't apply to all men universally. Every individual's decision to marry or not is highly personal and can be influenced by a combination of factors unique to their circumstances and beliefs.

Moreover, while some men might be avoiding marriage, others continue to embrace it and value the institution of marriage as a cornerstone of their lives.

[TheSpaceGnome]

I'm not, but I also avoid most modern and traditional women, and thats why I'm not avoiding marriage.

If I were not an artist, scientist, gamer, and geek, and I my only options were idiots, the religious, drunkards, party going sluts, gold diggers, and "traditional" women. I'd avoid marrying too.

The average woman isn't worth marrying in my opinion, they aren't loyal, they use you for your money and cheat on you and expect more from you than they are willing to give back, and the ones who don't cheat all have baby fever or drinking problems, or they believe in crazy nonsense.

If every guy had the privilage of marrying a loyal, gorgeous woman, who shared all his skills, talents, smarts, hobbies, and interests, and truly loved him, and the divorce court systems were not misandrist garbage, I think every guy (who's not a manwhore) would want marriage.

Mainly because I won't settle for a woman who's less than that, and thats my motivation to get married.

[Anonymous]

59% of adult males are married, so it doesn't seem like many men are avoiding it at all.

[Curmudgeon]

That's an all time low percentage wise, and significantly lower percentage wise than in previous years.

[Jersey2]

What about men between 30-40, that would be a more interesting statistic.

[Kelly6]

Do stay away from divorce and financial lose

[Kelly6]

thanks for mho

[OlderAndWiser]

Too many men believe what they read on the internet written by butt hurt boys who feel they got screwed in a divorce case.

If you avoid marriage because you are afraid of what will happen when you get divorced, then you really don't understand marriage and commitment, so maybe all these guys shouldn't get married. Despite the rampant claims that divorces rate are "at an all time high," if you look for the actual statistics, you will find that people are waiting longer to get married and divorced rates have declined for the past 20-30 years.

[msc545]

Sometimes the interpretation of a single statistic fails to consider covariates or contingent conditions. In this case, I think that waiting longer to get married is caused by economic factors and by a general reluctance on the part of men to marry or take significant financial risks. There is no increase in the marriage rate and in fact it has declined. The US census (census. gov) says:

"Both the marriage and divorce rates of U. S. women age 15 and older declined from 2011 to 2021. In 2021, the U. S. marriage rate was 14.9 marriages in the last year per 1,000 women, down from 16.3 a decade earlier. And the 2021 divorce rate dropped to 6.9 in the last year from 9.7 divorces per 1,000 women in 2011. Jul 13, 2023"

Obviously - divorce rates have declined because fewer people are getting married. People who are not married don't get divorced. Citing this as evidence that marriage is somehow safer is incorrect.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 I wish I could upvote this

[OlderAndWiser]

The statistics I reviewed are expressed as number of divorces per 1,000 marriages. That number is at an all time low. Of course fewer marriages means fewer divorces, but that does not inherently change the divorce rate per 1,000 marriages.

[msc545]

@BoopBoopBeep thanks!

[msc545]

Do you think that the number of divorces is somehow unrelated to the number of marriages? Iso - why? Please explain.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 I haven't seen a economic breakdown, but I wonder if since the end of the great bull market the reduction in divorce rate is lower because people still want the second income. Obviously it wouldn't be an across-the-board intervening variable, but some slice of working class families living above the means that one person can support may feel like they should stick it out. By "they" I mean the woman since the overwhelming majority of times the divorce is initiated by the woman.

[OlderAndWiser]

That is not what I said, and you know that. I am talking about the RATE, not absolute numbers.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@OlderAndWiser
yes, I think my hypothesis may account for the rate

[msc545]

@BoopBoopBeep You may be correct - however, I would also consider the role of hypergamy in this; women are always after the next better thing, and they do not believe that they cannot get it, or in this case "him". The reality is that they sometimes cannot, but most women are willing to play that lottery out of narcissism if nothing else. Also, women typically have worse judgment and impulse control as compared to men.

As men, we know that we cannot always get the woman we want. I think the differential outcomes in this account for at least in part the fact that women instigate divorce most of the time as you noted. I would say that they do this based on my prior assertion (s) here, and also because they have no appreciation of or ability to consider financial consequences.

[BoopBoopBeep]

@msc545 The hypergamy (probable or not) i absolutely agree with. I think their willingness to pull the trigger may be increased by poor economics too. Things get tough, they decide to trade up. Whether they CAN or not is immaterial. Too many women have come back and asked for forgiveness and a redo for their attempt to trade up to be as certain as they believe.

[D_Bone_Steak]

Well, let us weigh the pros and cons of getting married as a male.

Pros? ... actually is there anything you get from it that you don't get from just being in a boyfriend/girlfriend situation?

Cons: Endless list of sacrifices and ways to be taken advantage of... now legally done and enforced by the state.

Now there is also the culture where women have an SMV that is super high compared to men right now. Males have this expectation to match a laundry list of expectations right now and bring that to the table. And then there is the famous answer from a woman when asked what she brings to the table..."I am the table."

There are also educational factors... for males in particular. Males in general are becoming aware that women are not exactly innocent perfect angels that can do no wrong. There is hypergamy, realizing they don't feel "love" the same way we do (which is why they can just drop a relationship), and a list of selfish reasons and types of manipulations the males are becoming aware of. All the "bad" things about men have been on full display since the 1980's as far as I know... but this awareness that women are also not what's in a Disney movie seems to be new amongst the general male awareness.

So why avoid it? ... I'd like to ask what's in it for me? I'm going to give up my options to do whatever I want, whenever I want, to be legally and financially liable to the emotional whims of a woman... and I get what out of that exactly? She's going to cheat less in a world where women now cheat more than men?

[BoopBoopBeep]

I haven't met a great many women that brought enough to the table to warrant that. Of the ones I did meet, life got in the way so it didn't happen.

You don't take care of yourself, you can't cook, you don't want to do any housework, you have, at best, a BS job that gives you an inflated sense of self. I've statistically described the majority of women in this country on at least 3 of those criteria. Where's my incentive amongst them?

I have no problem being loyal and for me there is no financial issue once she signs the prenuptial agreement, which literally nobody I've ever dated has balked at (I bring it up by the fourth date if not already, because I'm not going to waste our time otherwise).

[TooHot2Care]

Look, there are a lot of things happening.

1.) Due to diversity being emphasized over skill in many arenas, people with skill and talent don't really have many avenues to grow into themselves anymore.

2.) Money. Prices go up. Wages go down, and everyone is happy... No wait, the opposite.

3.) Dating sucks. Like no matter who you are, famous, good looking, hot, ugly, poor, stupid, smart, dating sucks.

Look, let me get to the point. . . .. I think we should burn the world down in nuclear fire and get a fresh start.

[inhua]

just look at how divorce statistics favor women over men and how society defends and enables women's bad behavior whilst making false propaganda that women are married to "abusive" men thus which is why she files for divorce most of the time hence if a man wants to get married he needs to be "abusive" to attract one

[DextroShade]

Two reasons: hoeflation and the corrupt misandrist family court systems.

Hoeflation means that a man will have to work much harder than his grandfather for a woman who is vastly inferior to his grandmother. See all the fat baby mommas demanding a guy making six figures and even if she isn't a fat baby momma she is probably ran through. Our grandfathers got loyal debt-free virgins without tattoos.

The family court system and no-fault divorce incentivizes women to divorce their husband's and wreck their own homes, which because of heightened female promiscuity and feminism is already more likely. A woman can marry a man, cheat on him, divorce him and she will get his kids, child support, alimony, and half his stuff. She can even make allegations of abuse with zero proof whatsoever to ruin him further.

Modern marriage is simply a bad deal for men and they are wise to avoid it especially given the sorry state of modern women.

[Somebodysomeone]

The risk/reward isn't in mens favor if something goes wrong. With a high percentage of females chasing the "Boss B--ch" lifestyle there's little men have to gain from being married and eventually losing everything in a divorce. To many women now days want the event and show of a wedding rather then actually being a wife and good partner. Obviously there are some men who are douch bags that cheat and thats a problem as well but good men want good women and its getting harder to find.

[genericname85]

because even historically, there were no advantages in marriage for men. and now that women are so hellbent on being "equal", the good reason to do it anyway was taken away. because marriage is an institution built on the premise that men and women aren't equal and that women are getting fucked over if men just leave after making children with them.

but since women wanna be seen as equal, they basically removed the only argument they had.

[LiamJHayden]

1. For many, it is because they are getting the benefits without any of the obligations.
2. For others it is because they have seen a lot of divorces and are gun shy about risking half of everything plus future income on the chance that she won't change her mind at some future point
3. For still others, they just don't like the idea.

[McKellar]

Okay this is going to be a bit too blunt, but it's the brutal honest answer I can give you.

Men-whores / male players don't want to be married. They want to continue on playing in the field.

Good wholesome men want to be married.

[BoopBoopBeep]

I want a ride on a pegasus. I don't mind being married at all. I think it has some nice connotations to it, but as I said in my posting above, you've got to bring enough to the table to warrant that, and most of the ones who do get snapped up quickly.

[Anonymous]

I'll give you my personal reasons:

1. I'm worth a lot of money and don't wanna give away half.

2. Chicks are no longer into traditional marriage, they want open relationships, side pieces etc.

3. Social media, every girl you ever fucked and every guy she ever fucked can be found, some are a regular part of our lives through Facebook etc. Kills monogamy.

[Anonymous]

1) Half of marriages end in divorce, women file 80% of them, and men get screwed in divorce.

2) Marriage does not offer men as many benefits as it used to.

3) Women in general do not offer men as much as women of the past, so committing one's life to a woman is less appealing today.

4) The one thing of value that women still offer men is sex, and it is now easilly available outside of mariage without all the risks and costs of marriage.

[Curmudgeon]

Because for men, the risks and hazards and penalties of marriage have risen sharply, and the rewards and comforts and benefits of marriage have fallen off sharply. When something rewards less and pays off less, you get less of it.

[Anonymous]

It's pretty simple. Marriage today is a mine field for men, and they don't benefit as much from marriage today as they did in the past. Women have shot hemselves in the foot.

At the current rate, marriage will be a thing of the past within another generation or two

[DarkLegacy]

Because women are so controlling these days, and it is not a good financial move. Women initiate most divorces and always get half the guys money even if she did not contribute. Plus women cheat more and still get half in a divorce.

[msc545]

False accusations - alimony - child support - hypergamy - unfair laws - unfair courts - unfair Judges - unfair property division - #metoo.

And much more.

[Jamie05rhs]

Because women are toxic

https://www. girlsaskguys. com/sexual-behavior/a70766-fuck-this-shit-i-will-never-marry-a-woman? utm_source=dynamic&utm_medium=androidapp&utm_campaign=question&utm_content=q70766

[Jamie05rhs]

FUCK THIS SHIT. I WILL NEVER MARRY A WOMAN. ↗

[OddBeMe]

Marriage or family?

Sometimes sites and media will confuse not wanting kids with not caring if we get married. I could've cared less if my live-in fck toy wanted me to sign a piece of paper.

[Anonymous]

No point marrying any woman born within a hookup culture. It's illogical...

https://www.youtube.com/embed/x75KUAnHRYw

[Opinion Owner]

"Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings" Proverbs 31.3 (KJB)

[Gramkabir]

I think the main problem started from economic instability. Due to this men has to work more and lose social time. So entire society is looking for instant relief rather than long term commitment.