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Some things you may not know about Transgenderism!

During a recent conversation on here, I was pointed to some resources about transgenderism that I found very interesting. I thought I'd share my understanding of what they say.

Typical male and female brains have physically different structures.

A brain.
A brain.

These two studies identified physical differences between how men's and women's brains are structured on average. The first paper's authors, at least, are very careful to point out that it does not mean that either one is better than the other, just that they are different.

How men's and women's brains are different

Males and females differ in specific brain structures

Some things you may not know about Transgenderism!

That doesn't mean that there are two types of brain

There are many differences between the brain types, and just because some features are more pronounced in more men than in women, that doesn't mean you can sort them into two categories.

To make an analogy, it would be like trying to distinguish between men and women based on a person's strength. Yes, the strongest man will be stronger than the strongest woman, and the average man will be stronger than the average woman, but trying to draw a line like "men can lift over 100kg, women can't" is doomed to failure. It's even harder to draw a line if there are more variables (lifting, throwing, running, swimming, endurance, etc.), there can never be a case where all women are on one side of a divide, and all men are on the other.

Transgenderism is NOT a choice

Those previous papers (and, presumably, others), lay down a baseline for an average male brain and an average female brain without which this third paper would not make sense.

Transgender brains are more like their desired gender from an early age

Brain activity and structure in transgender adolescents more closely resembles the typical activation patterns of their desired gender, according to findings to be presented in Barcelona, at the European Society of Endocrinology annual meeting, ECE 2018. These findings suggest that differences in brain function may occur early in development and that brain imaging may be a useful tool for earlier identification of transgenderism in young people.

In other words, there really are people with brains that physically don't match the typical structure for their body. ("A woman trapped inside a man's body".)

That's not to say that there aren't people around who are perfectly satisfied with their body, even if it doesn't match the average brain type for that sex, but it does show that we need a richer language for how people identify themselves, and be less keen on forcing unscientific labels on people.

As usual, I've disabled anonymous comments, in the vain hope that any conversation will remain civil.

Some things you may not know about Transgenderism!
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  • genericname85

    it has long been known that gender is an endogenetic thing and that there are male brains and female brains. brains develop according to certain hormonal balances that are influenced by which primary genital we grow. testicles will shower the embryo in testosterone and alter the formation of the brain, however the formation of the testicles and the brain are not always in perfect sync so that it happens that the brain is mostly finished before the testicles start their hormonal shower.

    that's the reason why gender disphoria is more prominent in men. cause if you don't develop testicles, you won't have a male brain.

    however all sorts of different things can go wrong so of course female gender disphoria and also sometimes unclear primary sex organs are formed.

    gender is not a choice. sex "somewhat" is, cause doctors can still influence fomation of genitals early on after birth to a certain degree, which is what they often do, when the sex isn't clear.

    • goaded

      I did not know about that last part, thanks for bringing it to my attention. It will be interesting if someone does a study on brain formation in pre-adolescent children, to see how early the changes make themselves known. One of the links mentioned research indicating that girls and boys were different in behaviour at a very young age, counted in months (and also monkeys had similar behaviours, eliminating "nurture" as a reason).

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    • i mean ethically problematic as in "how are you gonna study this from a technical standpoint". cause ultra-sonic is certainly not suitable for that. you'd need some sort of probing procedure. i don't think any mother would be ok with having stuck probes or electrodes into her belly to observe her childs brain growth xD or have regular sessions with radiation imaging techniques for that matter.

    • well i guess you could do it on animals but then feminists will claim humans are not like animals and all that nonsense xD

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  • z3lda

    Good take. People often dismiss transgender people because it "defies science" but there really is scientific evidence for it.

    I've also read briefly that the reason some scientists believe people get a mis-matched brain is dependent on the hormones the person receives in the womb. Transgender men, for example, might not receive enough estrogen and transgender women might receive too much estrogen. There have also been twin studies showing that more often identical twins will both be transgender than fraternal twins, meaning it's most likely genetic rather than a result of upbringing. If you'd like me to find my source on this I can.

    It's somewhat irksome how people dismiss transgenderism before putting in any research about it.

    • adika63

      I’m white and far from racist. I am against someone making general statements that epitomize ignorance. Hate is hate. Your no better than those that hate transgenderism.

    • goaded

      @adika63 I think you hit the wrong opinion, you were probably after @kelsey_disney's

    • adika63

      Oh yes you’re correct I wasn’t paying attention after I read that. She is correct there are a lot of bigots I think she just didn’t realize that she is one of them

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  • JackSmy

    All I see here, is a lot of HATE, BIGOTRY and IGNORANCE!!
    Nobody says anything at all about anything scientific, citing papers, and reviewed experiments, reproduced. Just a lot of bias, HATE and conjecture, based on one study, that hasn't been proven!
    Men and Women have different brains, with different features, strengths and weaknesses. No surprise there!! We are different, and should be, by evolution.
    Why does it matter so much, if someone is Trans, or just loving balloons?
    No offense to transgenders, and not wanting to dismiss your feelings, but you are you, and I am me, and we live our lives, and I honestly couldn't care less if you have a dick, or vagina, or if you call yourself FRED!!
    Why is this trans thing such a big deal to so many? Leave them be!!!
    They are people, like everyone else. They don't mess with you, so just leave them alone, if you don't like them! Go, live your life, your way!
    How are they affecting you, except that you just judge them, and hate them, because they don't fit your idea of 'Normal'?

    • goaded

      Did you read what I wrote?

      The title was changed by someone without my input, from "Some things you may not know about Transgenderism!".

      I discuss the meaning of three scientific studies that together show that transgenderism is absolutely scientifically proven and natural, in order to counter the people who claim it's "just a choice", and that they're somehow less than cis-gendered people.

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    • goaded

      You seem to be agreeing with me very loudly. I don't understand why.

    • JackSmy

      Well, then, just accept that then, and agreeing LOUDLY is good, and maybe some posts and some crossed and misinterpreted ones, and so on! :) :)

  • Evil_Chuck

    Whoa, actual facts and research and stuff? What's this doing on GAG? xD
    An excellent and interesting take, the best I've ever read here in fact. I'm still really uncomfortable with this trans stuff, but that doesn't make it invalid. I suspected there was a scientific basis for it, but I never looked it that closely before.
    Taking the discussion a step further: if there was a way to ensure all people's genders matched their mental makeup at birth, would it be right and/or ethical to do it?

    • goaded

      Amusingly, the facts and research and stuff came from someone who was saying they proved the opposite of what they do. I just read and understood them.

      As to the ethical question, I guess, if it could be done perfectly, yes. But there's no way to do these things perfectly (or even to quantify an individual's sex or gender in all cases, like I said with the strength analogy).

  • TripleAce

    So does that mean its a defect? And if it is then why is this really only surfacing now

    Did this also happen 2000 years ago?
    Are these signs of humans evolving?

    Hard questions but until we get the answers i dont think we should allow mutilation and what not

    Sticking a dick on a female should be illegal
    Lets figure it out. I agree there yes

    • goaded

      Not a defect, a variation.

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    • goaded

      I think it's always happened, but there was no scientific evidence or social acceptance, so people lived miserable lives or died by their own hands.

    • TripleAce

      Hard to say that because religious text doesn't have any history of that. Only homosexuals yes. But not this particular issue

      I dont think there is really any evidence of that
      But could be. History is huge

  • Celtero

    I wonder though, would you agree that the fact men and women have different brains justifies the wage gap?

    And regardless, I don't think this makes it sensible to put on a wig, dress and makeup as a biological male (looks like crap and you're not fooling anyone)... or allowing biological men to compete in women's sports... or being able to put down the gender of your choice on medical or legal documents... or giving children hormones... Or using tax or insurance to pay for transitions...

    • goaded

      No, I wouldn't. There have been plenty of examples of women being paid less for doing exactly the same job as a man.

    • Celtero

      Mhhmm, and their brains are different so it's probably rightfully so.

  • JenSCDC

    I'm guessing that the bigots are going to hate these facts.

    • goaded

      Well, I've already had one call it "liberal bullshit" and accuse me of having a thing for "trannies". I doubt she read any further than the title, though.

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    • @goaded your myTake is fine. As a matter of fact I wasn't going to involve you with this issue until I noticed your comment but I don't want to digress here. Jen is one known for insulting others who do have differing opinions. I won't lie I'm guilty of this too. However, true Liberals and conservatives are alike in many ways, which is why I try to leave them out of conversations when talking about differing opinions. A true liberal and a true conservative can sit down and discuss the issues of our time without throwing insults around willy-nilly. Don't get me wrong, it's great to expose the feeble-minded individuals here on G@G but Jen doesn't do that. Anything and everything that goes against a certain agenda of hers is bigoted, racist, sexist, and some form of phobia.

    • JenSCDC

      @roaring20sman "en is one known for insulting others who do have differing opinions." I only insult those who choose to be stupid and evil.

  • Gedaria

    Whether or not this is right, I know how I have felt all my life, ever since I could remembered. I tried going down to the line of a sex change. But it wasn't the answer. My brain was telling me I'm female but the body wasn't. So I tried to bury my feelings, near ended up killing myself with depression. ...

    • goaded

      I'm sorry to hear that, but glad you came though in the end.

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    • goaded

      One day at a time. You can do it.

    • Gedaria

      Yes that is all I can do , thanks...

  • elissa23Trans

    A very well written MyTake. I’m a transgender woman myself. I knew from very early in childhood. Unfortunately society was not open to trans people until a year or 5 back. I transitioned 4 years ago and hormone therapy literally saved my life. I’m finally loving my body and I can function in society much better without constant depression from being in a body that doesn’t match. I’m just a woman like any other woman, apart from the chromosomal details.

  • Wowgirl30q

    You should take Psychology of sexuality or study cognitive sexual response patterns. There's a lot more to it if you enjoy the topic
    Gender identity or Gender dysphoria has been in the DSM for decades and isn't leaving anytime soon for good reason.

  • humanearth

    You got me interested. Now I'm going to learn more. Maybe I find out why I like to crossdress or why I do certain things.

    Thanks for the motivation to learn more and not to just accept it.

  • kelsey_disney

    There are so many bigots and racists and a ton of white people who would hate on this, but it’s straight facts 🔥🔥🔥

  • ADFSDF1996

    It’s an anomaly, simple as that.

    • ADFSDF1996

      *abnormality

    • goaded

      In the same way that albinoism, ginger hair, blue eyes, ability to digest milk, etc. are, yes. On average, looking chinese is probably "normal".

    • ADFSDF1996

      What do Chinese people have anything to do with that?

  • Browneye57

    I agree with the brain part, but you're talking maybe one in a thousand that this may be valid. The rest of these weirdos just think it's a fad they want in on.
    You can cut a guy's dick off and he won't be a girl. And you can sew one on a girl and she won't be a man. It's just not that simple.

    This whole fad is just that, a fad. You are what you are, you can try to change it but you're just not. Surely there are a few this is valid for, the rest are kidding themselves.

    • goaded

      One in a thousand would be 320,000 in the US alone. It would be a few in every reasonably large school. Like tall, short, or ginger people, it's not their fault, and therefore not reasonable to disparage them for it. You choose to believe it's a fad, you weren't born to do so.

    • Browneye57

      Maybe there are a 100 then. ;)

  • BasicGirl

    This is a great article but I still don’t believe in Transgenderism

    • goaded

      Thanks, but what's not to believe? It's not like other -isms, where you're forced to comply, it just requires acceptence by people.

    • BasicGirl

      I don’t believe that women can be men or vis verses with today’s technology

    • goaded

      Well, it's presumably not perfect, but it's closer, and like I said in another answer on here, you can at least try to get your body to match your gender.

  • blythely

    There are more important differences. Males have one or more Y chromosomes. People with no Y chromosomes are women.

    • goaded

      Even if they have a penis? Or XX people who have a vagina? It's not that simple.

    • goaded

      Whoops, you know what I mean.

  • MackToday

    Pretty much shows right here that we're dealing with a serious birth defect. If your brain has female like patterns in it, something is seriously wrong with you. We're not doing shit to help these people either, just allowing them to mutilate their bodies and go out and disrupt and menace people on the street. Yet another horror bought about by cultural Marxism.
    Also this does show that there is a definite male and female brain the whole argument about some women being stronger than some men is back peddling and desperate mental gymnastics. We know good and well there is a difference in men and women. Also tranys don't act like women. Look at "macho ma'am. Is this dangerous lunatic acting like he has a female brain? Hell no, this is your brain on Marxism an IED wired up with lies to explode.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVC-5shAkuE

    • JenSCDC

      WOW! Look everybody! He said "cultural Marxism"! Everything he says must be filled with wisdom!

    • MackToday

      @JenSCDC Or your soaking in a septic tank of cultural Marxism and I'm trying to warn you to get out before it's too late. Do you not see the signs? Men can be women, there are countless genders. If you can't see who stinking crazy that is you're screwed I can't help you. I'll keep sounding the alarm though.

    • goaded

      @JenSCDC It is a very big bright red flag, isn't it.

      en.wikipedia.org/.../Cultural_Marxism

      "In contemporary usage, the term Cultural Marxism is a right-wing, antisemitic conspiracy theory, which claims that the Frankfurt School is part of a continual academic and intellectual culture war to systematically undermine and destroy Western culture and social traditions.[49] As articulated in the 1990s, the supposed conspiracy means to replace traditionalist conservatism and Christianity with the counterculture of the 1960s to promote social changes such as racial multiculturalism, multi-party progressive politics, acceptance of LGBT rights, and political correctness in language.[50][51][52] "

  • ROCKS128

    Pls help me here.
    Transgenders are born from syndrome, ryt?

    But the gays & self transformed genders! Are they transgenders too?

    • goaded

      I don't understand the question. One thing I can say is that they're all people. Excluding people based on some artificial border is wrong.

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    • JenSCDC

      No, of course not.

    • ROCKS128

      How come?

  • OfDeath

    Some things you may not know about Transgenderism!

    • OfDeath

      It's a biological male

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    • OfDeath

      @JackSmy just curious. How do you know them?

    • JackSmy

      One is a close friend, and then two others, one male to female, and the other female to male.
      They are usually at all of our holiday gatherings, knowing my brother and sister-in-law!

  • Ellie-V

    Nice ☺️

    • goaded

      Thanks. The links came from someone trying to prove that there are only two sexes and two genders (although, to his credit, he did give a nod towards them not always corresponding).

  • lofii

    it's a mental illness

    • goaded

      In just the same way being tall, or short, or blonde, or blue-eyed, or dimple chinned, or having detached earlobes are physical illnesses. Which is to say: not at all.

    • Finally a smart person

  • PrincessGrail

    I love this Take.

  • dayoftherope

    Dude you can't change your gender. Give it up.

    • goaded

      No, you can't, but you can change your body to match it.

    • JackSmy

      @goaded Definitely!! I know some that want the full change, and others, that just like living like they feel themselves being, without all the reassignment surgeries!

  • HenryThePooper

    They whole world should have known this already

    • goaded

      It's easier to deny when there's no scientific proof. But the same people who deny it will still find a way, just like climate change.

  • adika63

    Well done

  • Secretgardenblood

    Good take

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