Do you think it's more hypocritical for someone to be pro choice and vegan (for ethical reasons) or pro life and eat meat?

[4465loveyou5577]

As for me, I <3 animal and babies so I'm a pro life vegan

#BringOnTheHate
#SpreadTheLove

A pro choice vegan

[vishna]

Well, I think being pro choice has more ties to science than pro life does. B/c a lot of times pro life people are pro life b/c of religion. Whereas, saying, "morning after pills aren't harming a sentient being b/c it (the morula hasn't even implanted in the uterus yet) doesn't harm sentient beings" is obviously more scientific than saying "Life begins at conception (duh) God gave life and children in his own divine time (debatable among people) so never end it."
And eating meat is about not caring in a sense, b/c it is known the animals we eat like beef, pork, poultry, have complex CNS that allow them to feel pain, and that they feel fear. And some of these animals are quite intelligent, pigs, and can go mad in CAFOs. (all things science has not concluded on for fetuses)
And so, I have to say, as a pro choice vegetarian. I think being pro life, and wanting to protect early stage embryos and fetuses over complex sentient life forms is a bit backwards.
Also, aborting food animal embryos and fetuses doesn't bother me. Overall, as long as the animal (humans are animals too) feels no pain during the abortion process, I don't have a serious issue with it.

[Anonymous]

Yes, it it hypocritical. But let's look at it this way, most "pro-life" people are religiously indoctrinated, that's why they consider humans as an entitled species (by the will of some mythical creature they call "god"), while animals are just "source of food" for them.
On the other hand, vegans who are pro-choice are probably neo-liberals, so their opinion is politically based.
I'm an ovo-lacto-vegetarian, and I'm pro-choice, because I'm an atheist, and I support feminism (but not feminazism).

[bmarkle]

One has nothing to do with the other.

Pro choice has nothing to do with someone like or dislike of babies, you are missing the point of this controversial topic.

Eating meat has nothing to do with someone's dislike of animals.

If humans were not genetically constructed to eat meat they would have a mouth full of horse or cows teeth.

It's nice living in a country where we all can have differing opinions and often the rights to act on them.

[4465loveyou5577]

Actually like cows and horses, we have spade shaped incisors, blunt molars and (like horses) very blunt canine teeth; so no our teeth are NOT like that of an omnivore.

[Bandit74]

Maybe the first one because they claim to believe ending -any -life is bad, meanwhile the second one only claims to be pro human life so by eating meat they aren't really violating their first belief.

Still, Im not sure I would say the first one is really hypocritical because by their definition a fetus isn't a life so based on that viewpoint they are technically not contradicting their values.

I guess it depends on strict of a vegan they are tho. Like if they think its immoral for a person to eat eggs then it seems kinda odd that they view abortion as being morally justified.

[lord_chilled]

Haha, easy. Its more hypocritical to be pro choice and vegan. So, you can't stand the slaughter of animals, but unborn baby-genocide is okay. Cuz, priorities right...

Im pro life, hardcore an i eat plenty of meat. Its easy for me, i care about human life, not so much about cattle. Im not sadistic about it, but if its for food, instead of for sport, im okay with hunting and killing animals. Human life > animal life, i dont see hypocrisy.

by the way, good take. Its been a while since i saw an interesting take.

[jp612612]

I don't think that either are particularly hypocritical, but if you had to pick one, it would have to be the vegan + pro-choice one. Pro-lifers tend to view human life way, way above all else (hence their stance on abortion) so it doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't care about the welfare of any non-human life.

[willwhitez]

It's not that hard to understand that at some point a fetus becomes a life. Early abortion I'm cool with entirely. But there are advocated for post birth abortion and late to third trimester abortion. I eat the Fuck out of animals by the way.

[madhatters4]

no i don't. what we consume and how we feel about reproductive rights are pretty different to me

[4465loveyou5577]

What you eat in and of itself perhaps, but when your dietary choices have a victim that changes everything.

[madhatters4]

i just don't think when it comes to the natural order of life, (prey vs predators) you can begin to compare it to being pro-life in regards to the life of an infant... there's just too much divergence in the two subjects to be compared.

[4465loveyou5577]

"Prey vs predators" aren't the only aspect of the "natural order of life"
i.dailymail.co.uk/.../...C000005DC-634_634x423.jpg
so there's no "divergence" here at all.

[lord_chilled]

What about human rights?

[4465loveyou5577]

@lord_chilled If you're going to say something's OK because it happens in the natural world then all of the rules of the natural world apply to us.

[madhatters4]

there is a divergence when you are talking about an unborn baby and killing an animal for the sake of nourishment. they are not comparable

[madhatters4]

that's like comparing killing a plant for food and killing an animal for food. they aren't really comparable. yes both are living things but they are vastly different right?

[lord_chilled]

I should really specify the things i say. My response was a on op's remark " how we feel about reproductive rights ".

Thats why i asked what he thinks about human life.

I try hard to remain neutral, but sometimes i just can't. How hard is it to get into some peoples heads that abortion isn't about reproductive rights. Its not about rproductive rights. Let that sink in.
Its 99% about human life and 1 % reproductive rights. Tell me which is more important.
A sperm is a cell with 23 chromosomes, an egg is a cell with 23 chromisomes, tge moment the egg is fertilized, and a zygote is formed its no longer a cell. Its a possibility. An opportunity for life. Wetger you abort it or not will get to decide wether a person will have the chance at life or not. Wether that person will get to experience the joys as well as sorrows that come with life. But does anyone, anyone including the persons mother have a right to choose wether that person should have a chance at life or not?

[madhatters4]

@lord_chilled dude relax. reproductive rights is just a term to refer to it. this is not a question about how we feel about being pro choice or pro life. this is simply a debate about whether it's hypocritical to feel one way about eating habits and another way about reproductive ____________ (fill in whatever word won't trigger you)

[lord_chilled]

Does anyone really have a say in? I believe only that that person deserves to decide wether he can live or perish before he/she is even conscious.
No one else!
Who are we to decide who deserves a chance at life or not. Everyone deserves that opportunity.
I, and everyone on here could have been a " mistake" that could have been aborted. All we have and everything we did could have not happened if our mothers had just said, no i dont want it.
Do you think your mothers have the right to end your life , to their liking?
I love my mum, but if she told me to kill myself noe, because i turned out a mistake, im not gonna do it. So, why is it okay to do it while i can't object or fight back?
I believe abortion is the worst evil that mankind is currently practising. Made into a profitable industry by the system and encouraged by feminism. How horribke. And to think that we have to stand here and listen to people like this guy disregarding all of this and replacing it with two simple words: rep

[madhatters4]

@lord_chilled i'm pretty sure i haven't said a single thing on my position regarding pro-life or pro-choice.

please go rant somewhere else. glad you have a position. but it's not relevant to the discussion here

[lord_chilled]

I know what the discussion is about. If you understood what i said, you know exactly why i dont like it being referred to as a goddamn reproductive right.
Talking about rights without having a clue about responsibility.
Everyone likes having 10 minutes of pleasure, but nobody can't handle the responsibility. The whole purpose of sex is procreation. The pleasure was meant to be a motivator. So how can you expect to keep having that pleasure without expecting consequences? You have to make some compromises, abstain if you are really not ready, or do it with someone you can actually imagine of being a parent, or at the very least, wear a condom! Is that too much to ask?

[madhatters4]

@lord_chilled dude i don't care about your stance on abortion. THIS IS NOT A CONVERSATION ABOUT FUCKING ABORTION. you may not like the term used but you know what i don't care. get the fuck over it. it's not an epithet. it's not a curse word. It's not obscene.

stop ranting about your feelings on a matter entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand. I DON'T CARE that you don't like the term. it's a term that is used so i used it.

[madhatters4]

stop being so self-righteous that you feel a need to interject (and presume how i feel about the matter) over the use of a term

[4465loveyou5577]

The point I was making was that animals will kill already born/hatched babies and that you're doing it for nourishment makes no difference. By that logic it would be OK to abort a baby as long as someone ate it afterward because then it's for "nourishment".

[madhatters4]

that's not the logic i'm following at all. let's just agree to disagree. it seems you are entrenched in your belief that it's hypocrisy and i'm entrenched in my belief that they are not apt comparisons

[4465loveyou5577]

That or you can explain your logic.

[lord_chilled]

Opinion owner , i understand you dont care, and i won't come up in this thread anymore. There aren't many things i have done with my lifr, but if i could convince even one person who read my post to take a change in their stance, and if that lead to someones life saved, that would be great. Which is why, sometimes i go off. It wasn't a rant directed specifically at you, but society as a whole. You just managed to "trigger" me.

[madhatters4]

@lord_chilled you'll convince more people wihtout making pointed attacks at people you don't know. presuming to know things and shoving your beliefs down their throats

@4465loveyou5577 I've already tried to show you the logic. you began talking about animals in the wild eating their young. i think it's best if we just agree to disagree. you don't subscribe to my logic and i don't subscribe to yours. no sense in arguing over something we fundamentally disagree on right. otherwise it's arguing for arguments sake

[lord_chilled]

Alright i was gonna say guilty for the first sentence.
But what i said were beliefs?
What is it, that i said, that isn't factual? I tried to be rational about it even if it was a rant. Now you are just living in yout ignorance

[Dred1614returns]

It's not hypocritical to be pro life and eat meat. I don't refer to myself as pro life because that would make me a hypocrite because I believe in the death penalty. I'm still anti-abortion.

[4465loveyou5577]

But why are you anti-abortion? If it's because the child is innocent then so are the animals.

[Dred1614returns]

This is based on the presumption that human life and animal life are equal. I believe that we (humans) have dominion over the animals, and we are above them.

[4465loveyou5577]

No, it's based on the presumption that an animals life is more important than a persons' taste buds. And while there may be a substantial difference in the value of a humans life and a non-human animals' there is a FAR greater difference between the value of an animals life and the importance of a human's culinary satisfaction.

[Dred1614returns]

Not to me.

[4465loveyou5577]

To you, perhaps not, but to reality yes it is. There are 2500+ studies that have demonstrated that the animals that we eat are sentient and 0 discrediting it.

[Dred1614returns]

Other than a few bleeding hearts, nobody cares what they are. Otherwise nobody would be eating them.

[4465loveyou5577]

Truth isn't determined mass appeal, but more and more people are waking up and seeing things for what they are ;)

[4465loveyou5577]

But need I remind you that what you just stated could be applied to abortion as well.

[Dred1614returns]

Right, but if I were a betting man, I would say that there are many more anti abortion people than there are vegans.

[4465loveyou5577]

Yeah, but I would bet that more people would be against factory farming than abortion.

[oddwaffle]

Pro choice but I eat meat.

No I don't eat babies.

[0112358]

I dont' consider either to be necessarily hypocritical.

[Dough]

I am a vegan. I am not pro abortion, I am pro women making their own choices. So I couldn't answer this as that was not a choice.

[Anonymous]

pro life and eating meat, are completely different things

[4465loveyou5577]

correction, pro BIRTH and eating meat, are completely different things.

[Opinion Owner]

pro life, is pro birth

[4465loveyou5577]

Not necessarily and are you commenting on the other question as well?

[Opinion Owner]

yes necessarily, and yes

[4465loveyou5577]

No, not necessarily and argue your point, don't just assert.

[Opinion Owner]

as should you

[4465loveyou5577]

I already have.

[fauchelevent]

No, not really.

[Anonymous]

i am pro life