Kevin Samuels was a member of the youtube manosphere and has apparently helped many men improve their lives and find wives. His controversial approach to relationships and marriage emphasized finances as the key to the relationships, which I myself am not a fan of. He's surrounded by a lot of controversy being championed by Red Pill, MGTOW, and MRA and loathed by feminists. My take on him was that while he might be right in certain respects he was talking more about a specific demographic of women only craving top earners. He was also not particularly nice to men in relationships making less then their gfs or wives, no matter how big or small the disparity was. I always personally felt bad for the man because he only saw relationships through a black and white lens with no transparency. I also would describe him as a particularly nice individual but I'm certainly saddened to hear of his passing. This link has the information on him:
I heard he died from cardiac arrest while having sex with a prostitute. Although that's not a bad way to go, I believe his addiction to redbull or energy drinks in general is what really put the nails on the coffin.
Personally, I didn't like his delivery but I did appreciate his message; however, I always take his opinions with a grain of salt if it comes off a bit dated (i. e. gender roles, sexually subservient women, get married young, etc). So the overall message I get from him is: Appreciate your man, and leave room for minor mistakes. Don't give up easily because the relationship isn't what you expected it to be. Get therapy if needed.
He was necessary in this modern society. Too many men and women became delusional and hate it when someone hits them with the truth like the men and women that called into his show. Most women don't like him because of his words, but he speaks the truth about many of them. A lot of men love and a lot hate him as well. He talked to the men the same way he talked to the women.
He always had great fashion advice that I followed and believe me, it paid off. He will be missed.
For those that praise his death, they're revealing how truly our society is problematic. The delusions have to come to an end and if you're overweight and unattractive, no one will want you. You make poor decisions in picking a partner, that's your fault. You have children by the wrong person, that's your fault.
He pushed red-pilled ideas that were basically what a pick-up artist would say, dressed up in purple prose. The fact he laid judgements on entire groups, labeling them as disposable, says a lot about his character and personality. He didn't say any that ten thousand other "self-help gurus" would have said about making yourself attractive. Eat well, stay fit, wear clothes that fit you, work on your appearance, etc is all advice people have heard before.
I'm not glad he's dead. Unless a person is a monster, it's pretty psychotic to take pleasure in someone's death. I'm not feeling much of anything about him though I'm sorry his loved ones are experiencing such levels of grief. He was just another self important person who was also a successful grifter.
I didn’t appreciate or agree with much of what he had to say. Most of his advice to women that I heard was pretty male centric and self serving. He read one of my comments on IG live the other day because it pissed him off.
he definetly is for the guys in that regard. I also didn't like some of the things he said about well intentioned and individuals who he just lumped in with others based on economics or who they were dating. I didn't hate the guy or even dislike him. I just think he loved the smell of his own shit too much sometimes and in his approach one can easily take views that overlook the humanity of others.
I agree with what you said. I disliked his approach that men with more money should get multiple women. Ty for sharing that because that's one i totally forgot about. It really turned me off to him. I wouldn't want my daughter or sister being subjected to that type of nonsense or any of my female friends.
Yeah I agree. I didn’t hate him either. I think there are others in the space who are worse with their attitudes and demeanor. I’ve seen quite a few disrespectful comments from people celebrating his death. I think that’s kind of cruel. We should be able to disagree with someone and even hold their views in contempt but still be civilized as humans.
By top tier men you really just mean a guy with money who can bribe his way with women. Not my idea of “top tier” and that was part of my point with KS as well.
@MzAsh That's more about your personal inability to handle uncomfortable truths. It's easier for you to put "top tier men" into this subjective box vs deal w/ reality. KS actually broke this down quite well, highlighting all the traits that make a top tier man. Woman dont like to hear that so they invent ways to discredit the philosophy.
If others want to consider a man’s LMS (looks, money, status) as top tier, that’s their prerogative, but it’s likely only working out for shallow, short term relationships that end in high drama and/or an illegitimate child. I guess that all depends on your end goal.
My end goal and the end goal I help women achieve is long lasting, happy, healthy relationships. That’s why on my end, the criteria on which men are qualified is different. It’s attitude, character, behavior, and how you treat others. In other words, you can look great on paper with your LMS and still be an undesirable prospect or a worthless partner, and unfortunately many LMS men are.
@MzAsh Something I never understand. I've heard many women say stuff like this b4 and it's confusing. Women love to put down other women (or anyone for that matter) when they make decisions that dont align w/ their beliefs. "No self respecting woman" "Their shallow" I find it ironic these these traits always seem to get assigned to the women who men actually want. You claim you help women yet you're telling them to choose men by intangible traits when the high majority of relationships end because of tangible traits, money, infidelity etc. If you really wanted to help women dont you think it would be better to explain to then what the men they want want vs feeding them Disney fairytales?
I’m not saying they should completely disregard the tangible traits, but the intangible is what makes relationships last. Women are led too much by their emotions and hormones and not enough logic and strategy, which often makes the men they think they want, and many of the men who want them, the wrong men completely. There’s also a difference between what men want and what men respect and want to commit to and I help them with that as well.
@MzAsh My argument is that it's the tangible that makes relationships last. People are much more likely to stay together because of finances or children etc, than love. I do agree that women are led by their emotions and I question if it's possible for them to make relationship decisions based on logic and strategy, because womens relationship info is typically open to the public (ie) their friends whereas most mens relationships info are private assuming your over the age of 30. I found your last comment ironic considering were making this comments on a post about Kevin Samuels a man who became famous trying to explain to women WHAT MEN ACTUALLY WANT and women still refused to listen to the advice. I also agree w/ his advice as well as every other male friend I have ever spoken w. So what is it that you think men want in the woman they will commit to?
Staying together for finances or the children is a good way to ensure a miserable marriage that ends in divorce. Men in that position are highly likely to give in on their sexual impulses meaning they could be getting other women pregnant outside of the marriage and women are likely to be driven into the arms of the next man who makes her feel alive and in love. Men and women both need to be held to a higher standard.
KS wasn’t someone men or women for that matter should be listening to. He gave advice based on what selfish, narcissist men want and made his money off of donations. He himself initiated two divorces and owed back child support for a good while until he paid the woman to shut up. May he Rest In Peace but he died in his 50s as a result of drugs he did during a one night stand, assuming the reports are true. This man was not an example to be made of and neither were most of the men who took his advice which were mostly immature a, multiple times baby daddy types in their 30s and 40s. These aren’t quality men. Quality men want women who are intelligent, with life skills and relationship skills, standards, and boundaries. A partner in life who can contribute more to the table than just being “the help.”
What are your thoughts on female dating advice that says men need to be rich and have big dicks in order to date women. Would that be considered female serving?
Chris, Yeah it would female serving and I think it’s terrible advice. A man can have money and a big dick but that doesn’t mean he’ll he a worthy man to date or be in a relationship with.
So how come it's ok to sing songs about that men need to have big dicks and have money, and its played on the radio everyday. No female ever complains but if a random guy says self serving advice to men he's compared to Hitler. That to me doesn't make sense
@MzAsh Lol, you're essentially making his point. Staying together for finances or marriages is a good way to ensure that your children have a future which is the only real value marriage has for men Regarding your opinion on his advice you're supposed to feel that way because he provided advice for women that wanted high value men and what most women struggle w/ is listening to uncomfortable truths from men. Once again you're making his point by attempting to discredit the people that have benefited from his advice by making up statements that you can't possible know are true "baby daddies 30-40" If you listen to KS you realize that this is how women respond when they dont have a valid point. Speaking for "quality men" the only thing they want from women is compliance and beauty. You're essentially attempting to force feed what you want onto men which is what a lot of women do, which ironically why the guy was so successful because then t hmmmm Rose same women would come on his show complaining about what they can't find a man. Hate to break this to you again but men do not care about a womens intelligence, life skills or standards. Thays what women want to believe men want, but when you get to a level like a KS, or a myself for that matter none of that is important in the women you choose. You're more speaking to the 80% of guys who are clueless and willing to acquiesce to anything a female says simply because they can't get any other women.
Most people already force them self to stay together for finances and for the kids and it’s not working. They’re not happy and they eventually split up. I’ve spent a good deal of time interacting with his following on IG, including KS himself and most are baby daddies. He definitely encouraged baby daddy culture.
What you’ve described what men want (compliance and beauty) are exactly the type of men that women need to disqualify without hesitation. I’m sure glad I did.
But it's celebrated in our society to make fun of men for there inconsistencies like if there broke or short. But woman just proved that your not allowed to call a women fat or too old because they will compare you to Hitler
Chris, So what? If you put your opinion out there, people say shit. That’s just the way it is. No one is entitled to be without criticism. Someone told me they hope I die the other day. And I’m just a piddly dating coach. I just move on. You have to just get over it.
That's my point, Kevin Samuels exposed what women do when there faced with critisms, they called him gay and Hitler for speaking his mind. But women claimed to be unbothered yet there glad he's dead. there would never be a female version of Kevin Samuels because men have enough self respect to not call in to a show when a woman is just gonna tell them how much they suck.
And I think that's what a lot of women are forgetting is that his biggest followers and supports where women who would claim to be independent and don't need no man but yet they listen to him allegedly berate women every night. Something doesn't add up. Either women like to be belittled or he actually was giving them good advice that caused them to change their life
Most of those women are immature and love the drama. I followed him for my own industry research purposes. From him, I learned a lot about what type of men that women should avoid.
So you know that most of his followers where women and he only became famous because of women. See do you see how it's hypocritical to say he sucks if women love drama and made him famous.
I believe they both suck. A lot of women realized he was leading them into the gutter and that’s another reason I was there, to be the woman with an actual good track record to help them find a good man.
Either way it's shows that women are only pretending to be unbothered buy others opinions and they are not Independent because if you where really independent a man on internet telling your incomplete would affect you at all, so it just exposed the truth about how bad some women's lives are.
@MzAsh You can't possible know what someone "feels" #1 reason for divorce is finances so your statement is false. Women will never disqualify successful men because as you said women make decisions based on emotions. Women want to tay to get the highest value men they can attract and that is what high value men want from women. Do you believe you should be given advice to women when you yourself admit to being unable to attract a high value man?
The top citation for divorce is finances, but there’s so much more going on behind that fundamentally such as incompatible values and life goals. These things and more are what cause financial strain in a marriage. You have to think beyond what you see. You can be wealthy or “high value” all you want but if you don’t have the relationship skills and compatible goals and values, then the relationship will struggle. Hundreds of wealthy men have been interested in me, but I’ve not been interested in them because they lack the character and relationship skills. I’m not interested in a man’s wealth because I make my own. I am interested in the many other components that make up a long lasting and healthy relationship which I’ve managed to have for the last 15 years.
Not only are finances the #1 reason for divorce approximately 70% of all divorces are initiated by women which should tell you exactly how much women value men w/ money. Your point about having the other skills is valid, No is saying money is the only thing you need were saying it's the most important. As far as "men w/ money being invested in you" I'm a man w/ money and like most men w/ money were interested in exploring all our options and there are millions of women just like you to pick from so I wouldn't make to much out of your individual experience. If we were using 1 persons experience as the end all be all then the fact that Kevin Samuels, Myself etc want Beautiful compliment women should be the end of the discussion. So you've been married for 15 years?
I’d say financials are important in the way that both partners need to at least have their shit together or have it consistent to the lifestyle they want, and then maintain that. For women looking for a relation, I’d say it’s equally as important to qualify the man’s character with a high standard: he needs to be loyal, respectful, agreeable, virtuous, preferably with no previous fuckboy habits, no impulsive or reckless behavior, no history of cheating on or cheating with anyone, no drugs or alcohol addictions, no psychotic personality or mood disorders, etc. These things matter big time. Yes, 15 years.
@MzAsh That's probably why there are so many women who can't keep a man today. That list is unrealistic and I would imagine equals less than 1% of the population and you didn't even include the superficial things looks, height etc. Just to be clear you said you have remarried for 15 years?
Well, it’s understandable that no one is perfect. Myself and my man aren’t either. But evaluating and adhering to that type of criteria more than the superficial, I believe, is how we got to last so long.
@MzAsh So you're providing relationship advice to women w/out being married yourself? in my opinion this is why you see so many confused and frustrated and unhappy women. You have some decent ideas, but you're missing the most important part. Men are the ones that control access to relationships so what is it that you believe high value men want and are you sharing this w/ the women that you talk to?
I am married. Men used to hold access to relationships but with the way social media is nowadays and how options and opportunities of all kinds for women are skyrocketing, that is changing. Women are the ones deciding to delay marriage and children and men like KS are trying to talk them out if it. That was a huge talking point of his. Quality men want women who are smart, educated, loyal, well adjusted (no addictions, not psychotic), skilled in life, who understands him and can be his peace. He wants a woman who is a true partner, not someone who acts like his mama, or his child.
@MzAsh Men will always control access to relationships because you can't force a man to commit and outside of sex most women bring very little to the table. A "quality man" has options and is going to be reluctant to settle for just 1 woman. He was not trying to talk women out of delaying marriage or children in fact he made it very clear that women were free to "die alone" what he did is explain to women that the men they are waiting for dont want left over women. Think about it from a mans perspective I didn't work my ass of for 20 years make a bunch of money build a career etc to settle for a 40 year old women. Unfortunately in today's society women aren't used to men being honest w/ them so their struggling w/ accepting the uncomfortable truth. Remember his popularity is based on women who can't find a man, when he explains why they throw a tantrum. As a "quality man" I'm telling you the only thing we want from women is compliance and beauty the rest of that shit is irrelevant to quality men, unfortunately most women dont want to hear that because they are usually shielded from uncomfortable truths.
I help women choose men who don’t see a woman as less value due to her age. Men who don’t think the only alternative to being damn near a child bride is dying alone. Men who value much more than her youth, beauty, and compliance. THOSE men are quality men. There are plenty of women who delay marriage and babies, making it past the age of 57 who don’t die alone. It’s a shame KS can’t say the same of himself.
@MzAsh to be fair if men do want multiple children they dont have a lot of options to go up but rather down. Women having babies past 35 greatly increase risks they wouldn't otherwise. By 40 we're getting into the extremely risky and past 45 is just not a good bet. Has nothing to do with a guy being shallow or not good as a man. If he wants kids he should be able to pursue someone who will give him healthy kids without spending insane amounts of money and then worrying about the viability. It's not easy and some guys won't risk it. Whats more the mortality rates of both the woman and the child at birth go up the older they get. Basic biology just cannot be ignored.
@MzAsh The only men like that are going to he the kind that can't any other women and women dont want those kind anyway. That's probably why it's so difficult for them to maintain a relationship. Perhaps the men you label as quality want that however actually "quality" men dont want some women passed their prime and all historical evidence validates that.
If having kids is important to someone, that needs to be taken into consideration for both partners. Sperm production begins to decrease in men after age 35. And after 45, sperm quality sharply decreases as well. Vegasrunner, smart women choose the men who can be the best loyal and dependable father and husband. That’s not going to be some runaround playboy with illegitimate kids. What men like KS consider “high value” is not the same thing as “quality” for women looking for a good life partner.
@MzAsh If what you were saying was remotely true we wouldn't be having this conversation because KS wouldn't be so popular. Remember he only got popular when he begin to tailor his show to women and women started coming on complaining about why they can't get a man. His conclusion like mine is because they love in a fairytale similar to what you are creating. in my opinion you guys spend so much time looking for exceptions. (Those type of women are, these type of men are, etc) vs looking at the facts. You actually provide better advice then most when on GAG nut like most women, you dont really understand what men want instead you're attempting to project what you want on most men which obviously hasn't worked.
@MzAsh while true about sperm it's not nearly as radical of a problem by the numbers. And if the guy has an issue in that regard its not going to kill anyone. Like women can literally die from child bearing and much more so the older they get. So he loses the person he loves and the child. Thats very hard, men are emotional creatures too despite the tough guy attitude put on by some. And yes I agree KS has it completely wrong on what attracts quality women, which is why he was twice divorced and died alone.
KS became popular because he had a lot to say that was harsh and polarizing. Also, let’s be honest, he targeted clueless single black women who weren’t knowledgeable or skilled enough to challenge his views properly. A few of them tried, but most failed. Fresh and Fit do the same thing by bringing on these bubble headed bimbos out if Miami. Hell, the smartest woman they ever had on the show that I know of is Mikaila Peterson. If KS talked to actual smart women who were married, he’d find most of them weren’t living in a way that he’d advise. I know what men want, but I’m only interested in what good men want.
God I CANNOT STAND fresh and fit! One is dating a single mom LOL. and the other one is a creeper and user of women. I have zero respect for either one.
@MzAsh Both of those shows are popular because they articulate things that most men believe but are not allowed to say publicly. Again notice how you attack women when they go against what you want to believe. In reality the women on those platforms act the exact same way women on GAG, most women I've met in real life and you act for that matter. The second someone challenges your opinion you typical go into shaming, and immature insults (case in point how you use derogatory terms to characterize the women that come on those platforms) So at what point do you come to the conclusion that this is simply how women are?
Oh so I’m “attacking” and shaming yet KS is telling “uncomfortable truths.” Interesting. There are many types of men and many types of women. The bottom line is, which types of men had women are having happy, healthy, life long relationships?
@MzAsh Well go back and read what you wrote. "No self respecting" "clueless black women". These are all your words correct? You're also doing something else that I see a lot of women doing. You're acting as if men and women want the same thing. Most men dont want relationships they want options which is something both KS and F&F have explained. Women dont like this so they have to resort to personal attacks instead of listening. The "bottom line" is men want as many women as possible while women try to lock down the best mam possible. All KS and F&F really do is let women speak for themselves and usually they come away looking foolish because most women simply dont understand what men want.
@MzAsh Only those w/ limited options. It's not that difficult to be in a relationship if you're a high value an but why would anyone work that hard to limit themselves to one woman?
@Vegasrunner Pew research shows that men desire marriage and long term relationships with women about equally as women do. Why would a man limit himself to one woman? Because he wants to. When he meets a woman that he really loves and he would rather be with her than the rest, because she's that valuable to him. In fact, if you go to KS video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4mfwvL8s1E&t=6739s
Skip to 1 hour and 48 minutes. He says the same thing.
@MzAsh Lol, It's always funny when women do this. You're never going to have a public relationship survey not catered to to womens feelings. What man is going to publically admit that he wants multiple women and risk being shamed or canceled? Just look at the responses from women on this platform. That's why platforms like KS and F&F are important because they provide an honest representation of how men think and what they want. Women just dont like to hear it. When they ran their poll about men desiring multiple women F&F had 12,000 people respond and 95% of the men voted to holding an abundance mentality. How many people were surveyed in the Pew Study? Also how was it conducted? Also men are only as faithful as their options. So if you take a survey and ask a bunch of regular guys of course their going to say they want one woman because any woman is better than no woman. I'll be at the NBA rookie symposium in July and I'll ask all 60 picks do they want to settle for one woman and share the results w/ you. Do you believe any of them will actually privatey tell me yes? Most of that one women B. S is about women's need to believe that they're speacial, reality is they're not that special to men who have been w/ a lot of women.
I think you’re taking this “men are only as faithful as their options” a little too seriously. News flash, women biologically crave variety too. In fact, the penis head is shaped like an arrow for the purpose of extract semen from his competitors inside a woman’s vagina within the last 48 hours. Men are biologically designed to compete for women, not the other way around. Regardless, I encourage women looking for long term relationships to critically qualify a man before sleeping with him and I encourage them to reject men who’ve likewise been with a lot of women.
@MzAsh Honestly The men are only as faithful as their options saying has been around forever. Chris Rock said this on a stand up 30 years ago. The difference is women are now hearing this on more public platforms. History shows successful men never compete for women, Biologically women are all designed to compete for the strongest most successful masculine man. That's why athletes entertainers, celebrities etc always keep a bunch of women. Your strategy is fine as long as women are attempting to lock down a beta male w/ no options however for someone like me or another 10% man playing all these games isn't going to get them anywhere. Because we'll just replace them. That's why men should have an abundance mentality. You actually agree w/ this which is why you're attempting to convince women to settle for less successful men because deep down you understand they have less options. I've talked w/ 100's of women about this and every one of this eventually admits to this. (Cue the those women must be rhetoric) Women aren't going to withhold sex from a guy that they are into because they're controlled so much by their emotions and make a lot of decisions based solely off of them.
It’s fine if a man has options as long as he isn’t interested in acting on them. That’s non negotiable. If he isn’t 100% into her then he’s not interested enough. Women who accept a man interested in his other options are going to end up being single moms and stuck with the physical responsibilities of raising the child. They become miserable and those are the women who come to me asking for help because it’s the physical demands of being stuck with kids because dude wants to screw around and do what he wants, and that’s making them miserable. So, that’s what needs to be taken care of.
@MzAsh That is a very good POV for a women. I'm provide help for men. I agree w/ you that women should settle for lesser status men if the want someone faithful. If they want a high status man w/ options then they're going to have to share. No man spends his life grinding and creating value to settle for one woman. I realize that you dont understand that however you wouldn't have a service if most women weren't like that. You and I both know women want the very best man they can get so they're not going to settle. That's why I tell men especially young men concentrate on building your value. Really what people like KS and F&F highlight is how hypocritical women are. You're actually one of the least hypocritical women I've heard on hear however you still are attempting to provide relationship advice w/ any consideration for both parties while not recognizing that men control access to relationships. Yes a man will have sex w/ u. But if you think a successful guy is going to settle for one women you're selling the same disney fairytale. Jay-Z cheated on Beyonce, Bill Gates Cheated on Melinda, Kobe cheated on Vannessa. If you advise women answered this question. What did those WOMEN lack that forced their partners to cheat on them? (Can you answer w/out blaming the man?)
Those women lack the backbone and the boundaries to communicate “I don’t share. And if you want multiple women, that’s fine, but I won’t be one of them.” And then actually leave, for good. This gives him a choice. I’ve done this. And it works excellently. If he cares about you like a man should care about a woman, he’ll stay with you and drop the other options. If he fights you on it, he’s not the one.
To continue, actually I encourage all women to communicate that up front, in the beginning. Unless of course they want to share, then they’re probably not following my content anyway. But I’ve learned to be appropriately upfront about what I want when I feel the time to necessary to express it, and it saves a lot of time and headache.
@MzAsh So you're saying Beyonce and Vanessa Bryant have no Backbone? You dont have to be one of them, there's millions of women in the world you can easily be replaced w/ someone better. Honestly when I drop women I dont think about them for a second, I just move on to the next one. An average man w/ limited options may entertain this but no successful high value man is going to spend a second discussing this nor should they. Your strategy of teaching women to deal w/ only low value men isn't a bad one but you know most women want the top tier men?
I don’t know about Vanessa. I’m a little iffy on Beyoncé. I know she came out with Lemonade as a warning which was kinda cool and she made a profit. I can tell you this for certain, Khloe Kardashian definitely has no backbone. She’s put up with way too much bs from Tristan and he has not learned how to respect her. She’s way too forgiving. I help women become prioritized, valued, and respected by men who *desire* to be 100% monogamous. If they really want to be like Khloe and ad themselves as a notch to some baby daddy who will never be around, then those women are not for me and I am not for them. But there are enough women who say they’re tired of womanizers, narcissists, players, fuckboys, etc to give me this mission, and to propel me into my own business doing it.
@MzAsh Vanessa Bryant's husband went on National TV and admitted to cheating on her and she went on to have 3 more kids w/ him and you dont know if she has a backbone? Same w/ Beyonce. If they're not willing to leave a high value man how likely do you think regular women are to do so? Honestly I think we are in agreement. Based on what you are saying you are telling women to lower their standards and go for the other 90% of average guys because you understand they are going to have to share the top 10%. I tell men to work to get into the top 10% so they dont have to tolerate as much from women. You're challenge is going to be can you get women to accept settling for lesser men? This is exactly what KS was doing.
I never followed the Bryant story. When women get enough of the playboy’s bs, they’ll come to me. I help them *raise* their standards for how a man should treat them. The rest of so called “high value men” who don’t stay humble and faithful can take their money and shove it. It’s worthless to quality women.
@MzAsh Sounds like your picking and choosing examples that fit your narrative. Also if a woman is able to attract a high value man the caliber of Kobe Bryant why would they need to come to you?
@MzAsh Yea, any women can get a basic man, they dont need you to know how to do that. Women want to try to keep the top tier man. As you can see by the examples they'll do anything to keep one. What's the difference between what you teach and what KS was teaching?
I coach women on getting a loyal man who acts rights. Those characteristics I mentioned before you said were unrealistic. Those. And KS never did that. He was always trying to get women to go back with their cheating ass baby daddy.
@MzAsh Now I see where you're confused. No both myself, KS, F&F and pretty much every successful man in the world is saying that if you want a loyal man you're going to have to settle for a lower value man. Men dont spend their time grinding to build value in themselves to settle for one woman. IE, the Bill Gates, Tristan Thompson, Kobe Bryant, Jay-Z and millions of other examples throughout the world. I realize you dont understand this, because most women dont understand both sides of relatioship dynamics but KS wasn't encouraging women to go back to anyone he's simply saying that there's little value for an old single mother so if they want a man there best option is going to be their babies dad if they will have them. He's catch phrase is literally "get a dog". Why would a high value guy want to take on another man's children? What are the women's response when you tell them to try to find a "loyal" man?
I’m not confused. I just don’t consider loyal men to be lower value. They might not be as wealthy, but their relationship market value is actually higher. Successful men who spin plates are lower value to women looking for a solid, long lasting relationship they’ll be happy in.
@MzAsh You're entitled to your personal opinion regarding what you want. In fact I agree w/ you that more women should probably lower their standards however that's not realistic. As far as the second part the at best you're deludional worst dishonest. Obviously women are going to want men who are successful I gave you a few examples of those type of men and each of them had women willing to stay despite knowing they were sharing them. Much like KS what you're going to have to do if you actually care about women is convince them to stay away from the top 10 - 20% of men. Based on your interaction how likely is that to happen? One thing that I'm confused about regarding your business model is are telling women to avoid athletes? Entertainers and CEO's or you trying to convince then that this type of man is going to be loyal to just them?
I don’t convince women of anything. They’re the ones who come to me when they’re ready. If they come to me saying they want a loyal man, I deep dive into helping them vet someone in particular or helping them know where to look. I might advise them that some men in certain fields require extra evaluation.
Correction, I don’t aim to convince women of anything. The investment isn’t cheap so when they sign up, I know they’re already committed to getting the results they said they wanted to get.
@MzAsh Gotcha. Fundamentally I agree w/ your concept and I think you have a good business model because you will always have women desperate to be in a relationship although It does sound like you're doing exactly what KS was doing, except you're charging the customer directly? Personally I dont believe it can work as a sustainable business because I question if you, KS or anyone for that matter can convince women not to chase the Disney fairytale they are sold every day. Couple questions. What's the price points for the service? Some man on the other end still has to settle for your client, how do you get them to do that? How long have you had this service and how many women have you gotten married off?
I’ve been unofficially doing this for a few years. I’ve helped many friends and co-workers position themselves for healthier relationships and marriage. I’m not a matchmaker (though I have been a virtual assistant for one), and that’s not really my preferred business model. I have a coaching certification with a specialty in relationships I obtained last October so my “official” business is new. My single sessions are $200 and I offer a three month package at $1800, with payment plans available. I maintain the position that the client is responsible and accountable for their own results. I can coach and consult as desired, but it’s then that has to do the work. I make it clear during signup and the free strategy session that they’ll have to keep an open mind and their views and expectations may be challenges. I’m not selling them an unrealistic fantasy. Usually the women who aren’t serious about changing their outcomes and just want to stay in fantasy land don’t even bother. That’s fine because I don’t want to waste my time, or their time or money.
@MzAsh So it's an unproven start up business? It's one thing to offer solicited advice to friends and family but not sure how well it's going to go over when these women dont end up w/ Mr Right. W/ that said your model is interesting and I do think there's a demand for women who want to feel like they're is something they can do to attract the man of their dreams. Your method actually forces women to take accountability for themself which I question is possible for todays modern women to do. GL though.
Thanks. I am careful about what I do and do not promise. Clients sign an agreement I’ve had looked over by a lawyer. There are definitely grown women out there who take accountability. I understand a lot of men don’t know many women like this because those women are with more mature men.
@MzAsh I would be interested in meeting those women. Fortunately because of my life I been with 100's of women intimately and have had a chance to spend time w/ thousands and have scoured forms like this and read nerly every relationship gender study book written. You're probably as close to taking accountability of any women that I've ever interacted w/ so it's good that your the one teaching them, I still think like most women you're ignoring the other side of a relationship and are going to run into problems. W/ that said I'm jealous and wish I had the time to set up the same business because I do think you'll make some money from this, however you're going to quickly run into the same headache most men run into w/ women.
@MzAsh True, however in order to make money you're going to find yourself fighting against your own beliefs. Reality is loyalty isn't going to be found from the type of men women want. So having to convince women that they should lower their standards is going to be a risky business model. You already created a legal document Because you understand that women are going to try to hold you accountable when they either can't find or can't keep a man that they want.
Part of the process is learning to truly want men who are loyal. Understanding psychology is helpful here. The coaching agreement doesn’t just protect me, but it protects them as well. They are giving me valuable and personal information that they need to know is safe with me.
@MzAsh You dont have to convince me. I operate a couple services based businesses so I wouldn't expect anyone to be successful at them w/o using disclosures. Problem you're going to have in my opinion is yoircentire business is based on your personal belief of loyalty and I think you're going to quickly find out that men view loyalty wayyyyyyyyyyy differently than women. I'll save you time and psychology expense. If you want to find a man that fits your definition of loyalty just look for a man that has limited to no options of women. He'll be loyal to you because he has no choice. in my opinion you should pick something tangible so that way you're more likely to have a satisfied customer. Also do the women pay you until they find man or do are you still generating revenue from them once they've found a relationship?
I am pre-paid per session or pre-paid per package. Once sessions stop then payments stop and vice versa. I don’t believe all men view loyalty in the same way, at least not the same way you do. I’ve seen this. There are men who have options but aren’t impulsive enough to actually exercise those options. They want one woman and when they find her, the other options are uninteresting.
@MzAsh I never told you how I view loyalty which tells me you may trying to operate a business to prove some personal POV you hold. They never ends up working. Even if there were "some" then that would make your target market very small to begin with. Also if there loyalty the only thing your clients are looking for in a man, are are their other traits?
Mostly women I encounter are looking for answers on how to vet for a virtuous man, someone they can have peace with long term, a man with relationship skills, a man who will value and respect them, has his shit together, is modest and collaborative.
@MzAsh That's a lot of things and you didn't even include any physical traits. Are they willing to accept a short, unattractive, broke man that has the traits you mentioned? And what are these women bringing to the table to attract such a man?
Some are willing, others not so much. That’s a part of what I help them explore as well as what it is they are bringing to the table themselves. Some women find this challenging while others are more skilled and know where they want to stand in a relationship with a man. I write blog articles to support these topics, generating ideas and conversation. I really want to continue building a community of women who are interested in evaluating and managing where things are headed in the realm of dating and relationships.
@MzAsh I'm asking what are they bringing to the table? It's one thing to demand something, what traits attributes do these women posses to allow them to demand so much from 1 person?
They bring what they’re asking, and sometimes more. I don’t run into women who ask for soft traits in a man that they don’t also offer themselves, unlike the advocacy of immature guys like fresh and fit, who often expect certain things from women that they excuse for men.
@MzAsh Apologies if I confused you. I'm asking specifically what traits they are bringing to the table. You seemed to have no problem articluating what they want from men but seem to be struggling to explain why a man would want them. Could this be the reason this women have failed to find a man?
you makes 3, I make 4. 4/6 ain't bad. lots of people know about him because he's pissed off a lot of people. his name got brought into many many online circles that he had nothing to do with tbh
Honestly i think he's just an old misogynist. Why do you think a self proclaimed "relationship expert " like him is still single and without kids at the age of 56?
I've watched a few of his videos and he does nothing more than just shame, bash , bully women. Be very careful with such guys. Women haters or aka misogynists do not make good husbands
Thats even worse. he's married twice. His first marriage failed and then he couldnt hold onto his second marriage either. Im not surprised at all considering how nasty of an attitude he has toward women
His channel is created to bully mock and shame women. A man who can't hold onto his first or second marriage where his kids want nothing to do with him, SHOULD BE THE LAST PERSON ON EARTH TO GIVE RELATIONSHIP ADVICE
he died a bitter man. Bitter at those he blamed for his troubles. Then he took a jaded approach and treated a who demographic, roughly 50% of the human population and lumped them all into the same category as those that he saw as wronging him. I have no idea what caused the divorce or who he was all those years ago. But judging by what he said, how he said those things, and the time of saying those things, I would take a gander he was beefing with his exes and then used his internalized anger to lash out at all women, but mostly black women as his wives were black women.
Id say its bad karma. He deserved an early death. Someone who dedicates his life to bullying and shaming others , dont deserve any sympathy.
Sure you can complain about women all you want. I personally also have many things to complain about men. But you dont see me dedicating my whole entire life to spreading hate about men.
take a look at the vast majority of his comments, its from men who hate women. that 1 woman who he invites to his videos dont make up the vast majority of his viewers.
I've never seen someone live so far outside reality, it's comically at this point. But yeah I don't follow Kevin Samuels but when I look at his instagram followers and it shows my friends incommon it's majority females that follows him. So I'm sorry can't help this level of delusion
While I do approve of most of the manosphere, and his debunking of femi (commu) nist dogma was wonderful, he was a bit of a snake-oil salesman when it came to "Pick Up Artistry", as those guys usually are. But on balance he was totally a great guy, and all of us middle agers should get checkups, especially if heart disease happens to run in your family. Rest In Peace. I will miss his videos.
He had nothing to do with Pick Up Artists. His mission was to encourage healthy marriages and strong families, especially in the black community, which he could see was falling apart even more than the rest of western culture.
He was tough and direct because too many people (men and women alike) are delusional and living in a fantasy world, and being tough and direct is the only way to break through. He was literally a coach, trying to bring out the best in the people he talked to, motivating them to do better, always.
Many people don't know that he spent years only coaching men - and was just as tough and direct with men - before he realized that he needed to talk with women as well, which he only started doing 2 years ago.
I don't know much about him. But he did raise some valid points. Especially when it comes to kids being raised in a broken home being a massive issue. Because I grew up with out my father and was lucky enough to have a grandfather that did his best to provide me with a father figure. Without my grandfather doing so I can see myself going down a much darker path then I was already on growing up.
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I had never heard of him but when I read the things he said about why women can't find good men, many of them are 100% true. They're not politically correct, so everyone gets mad about them, but you can either be politically correct and alone, or listen to what he said and get a guy. You can't force guys to like women who are not woman-like. On the other side, women want strong guys, physically and emotionally. You can't be one of these wimpy vegan man-bun sensitive guys. Girls don't want it. You can scream and yell all you want about that's the way it should be, but in reality, if you want a boyfriend or girlfriend, you have to be what the other sex is attracted to. He said that, and he was right.
Interesting he died after a one night stand, especially so old. His stuff must work.
"... loathed by feminists" - I may have come across him at one time or another, because he looks familiar, but if he was hated by feminists then he must have been doing something right. What was the cause of death? 57 isn't that old.
Indifferent. My life doesn't change in any way. I heard him tear into some women on youtube a couple times awhile ago. That's about my knowledge of him. Seems kinda young to go so suddenly, though. I'm sure a lot of red pill guys will mourn. I wonder what the cause of death was.
he doesn't sound like the greatest man but still 57 is young to die he's no hitler, he doesn't deserve to die that young even if i think some of his views were absolutely ridiculous
I like that fact that people compare him to Hitler because it's shows there ignorances. His biggest followers where women who loved and hated him. If I recall correctly no Jews ask Hitler to enslave them and burn them alive. Yeah just a bunch of dumb people who know nothing about anything tbh
He had a lot of apt things to say, cutting down feminism and being a positive force for families in the black community. He always dressed sharply and communicated his points well.
Sad, I didn’t really agree with some of his assertions, he did have a habit of overgeneralizing. But he was a good role model for disenfranchised men who are taken advantage of in society.
I'd agree with his opinion on men making less than their woman IF that guy is claiming to be traditional. Sometimes in life you can't have everything. A man's life shouldn't revolve around women tho.
thats hard to say. If the guy works hard as a tradesmen he's wealthier than most men in the world today still and he's wealthier and has more than people of the traditional past. But a woman can make a shit ton more for any number of reasons stemming from inheritance to higher education or field of interest.
To me it's like saying.. I want a traditional 1940s car but then I add on some 1990s technology to the engine and claim it's still a traditional 40s car. It's not. Not even if a mechanic put the mods on there without asking you.
so the vast majority of traditionally minded people would die out since most can't support a family on one income anymore. So you would lose the more conservative values and then you really would have an Orwellian society left in your wake.
Being traditional is a mindset that doesn't require 100% actual traditional living. It does require a strong belief in the value of the ideas and to be doing something to promote them. So one guy chooses to promote it in one area of life and another in some other and that's fine. As long as they are not actively helping the anti-traditionalists advance their causes. And yeah, if you look at who is actually programming most kids, it's not the parents these days so things are more on the edge than many think. And the parents can look in the mirror to see who's fault that is.
Never heard of him. I will say anyone that encourages others to be a better person, a better version of themselves, is a positive thing. But NOT anyone who puts a "dollar amount" on that. Anyone that judges you by your balance sheet or income. Is NOT somebody's whose opinion is worth anything if you ask me.
