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Abortion, Termination, Pro Life, Right to Choose? (Page 2)
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I think the law should stay as is I am not saying I am condoning someone getting an abortion every time they get knocked up irresponsibly but I think it should be up to the woman to make that choice not the goverment because honestly all the people juding have not gone through what that woman is going through
I hate this with a passion. Women are really the weakest sex. They can’t handle a damn thing, can they? They play fast and loose with life like they’re god or something. It’s actually sickening. If they don’t want it, then it’s worth nothing. And then everybody acts like that’s okay or something.
You’re all brainless. One person says something and you all follow along.
We can’t determine the value of life based on everyone’s individual opinion. We need one that’s set in stone. We all agree that murder is wrong, why is it only wrong when hey are born? If I killed a newborn baby right now, I’d be an evil murderer, why does it matter that it’s inside you? It doesn’t, it’s still a life aregardeless. This attitude is disgusting and I hope women will do better because we can’t keep living like this.
Start being more responsible, women, start understanding that your actions come with consequences. Start understanding that when you have sex that there will always be a chance of pregnancy. Plan accordingly please jeez.
If you can’t handle the outcome, why put yourself in that position? So incredibly selfish and disgusting.
It’s really not that hard. It really isn’t. There are so many ways to get pleasured WITHOUT intercourse. I really can’t understand it, I can’t.
When do we start holding these people accountable for their actions instead of saying stupid shit like “omg ur so strong, I feel bad for you”
Anyone who’s ever had an abortion, are the lowest of people. I don’t care about your sob stories or all the trash you say afterwards to make people feel bad for you, you are a shit human being who only thinks of yourself.
Despicable isn't it, Anon?
Extremely.
Damn who reportedmy comment
I believe in the right to choose. If someone is against abortion, That is okay. If someone isn't against abortion, That is okay. People should just live their lives and not force their ideologies on others.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I'm deeply saddened that you have carried this burden but also lifted up by your having two great kids as well.
Pro-life. I was taught that the social acceptance of abortion was one of the greatest progresses of our time. When started to think more critically instead of accepting and regurgitating what I was told, I changed my mind.
Killing babies.
Women in droves are demanding their right to kill someone else.
A baby is "someone". A fetus is not a "someone". Personhood requires consciousness. That's why we have no problem pulling the plug after brain death. Consciousness is an emergent property of a developed brain, and is certainly not present in a 12-week fetus.
@slatyb
Whatever helps you sleep dude.
@slatyb Especially because humans have shown so much science behind consciousness. Especially "what makes me, me" and "when did I become a consciousness."
There's a great paradox regarding teleporation.
If I get teleported, my body structure would have to be disassembled or destroyed in one place and recreated in the other place. But in the other place, that would not longer be me.
@slatyb +++!
@Tilin29 teleportation isn't real. And just because we can't draw a bright line when consciousness begins, we can still say that before 24 weeks it definitely has not.
@slatyb
I just made a point about how little we know of our consciousness. We don't know when and how it starts and we don't know how it ends if it ever does - we simply don't know.
We don't even know where our consciousness is located in our brain, if it even is.
That's what Air force pilots and drone pilots do daily.
And a zygote or fetus is NOT a someone else.
@Tilin29 We do know consciousness is a property of the brain. It comes from the whole brain, not a particular part of the brain.
@slatyb That is false. Humans are able to live without half of their brains and continue a normal life. So it doesn't come from the whole brain.
@Tilin29 so are you saying that consciousness is not a result of chemical activity in the brain? That there is a part of human beings that is non-material?
@slatyb
I am saying it's very poorly understood. We have found that two neurons can interact with each other even if one gets separated within the brain. There's no physical link, but they do interact with each other.
Besides back on the topic. Since a fetus does not have consciousness (Because it's basically asleep the whole time), can I kill you while you're asleep or any other person? I mean you're not in the state of being conscious at the time.
@slatyb Personhood requires a developed brain
Ah I see so an underdeveloped brain for instance defines the person not being a person. So someone with a serious mental disability due to their brain not being fully developed is able to be killed
@Tilin29 If there's no brain yet
@jacquesvol
The nervous system is one of the first things to start forming in a fetus. That itself then develops into a brain. We are unaware if the consciousness hides in there, simply because we're unable to define what consciousness is.
@Tilin29 we're unable to define what consciousness is. That's a fact. But Pro birthers talk about it all the time
@jacquesvol Yes, because it's a valid and concerning point when it comes to killing innocent soon to be standalone human beings.
@jacquesvol isn't that what I said?
@slatyb
Yes, it is. I only agreed with your point.
Ok look, i understand that you weren't ready. Here's my issue. Did you at least tell the person you were with that you were pregnant and wanted to get an abortion?
yes it was a new relationship known each other for over 15years.. maybe that will make more sense now.. we stayed together had our children.. xx
I'm just asking because there are a disturbing amount of women, who aren't afraid to keep men completely in the dark about an abortion or even think they are entitled to do so. That's one of the things that concerns me about this obsession over abortion rights, that more and more women will keep men completely ignorant of such an ordeal just to preserve their own happiness.
i value your view point entirely, here in the uk there is more and more debate how out of balance with p. c things are getting.. your example a female can make the decision entirely on her own same as to keep a child then potentially after birth or years later claim for a share of up keep.. however.. if the father wanted to keep the child and she didn't what if he staked at birth he takes complete single parenthood should the woman carry through the pregnancy?
I'd say that's a good deal all she has to do is carry it to term and the father can take care of everything.
It's not anyone's choice, not the woman, not the man, not a goddamn alien, you accepted to be f*cked, you'll get a baby, that was YOUR mistake, I ain't paying shit for you to kill your son, it's over.
I would support birth control.. instead of killing a soul.. I mean.. why not controlling it instead of getting pregnant and going throw this type of processes?
zerhope22 the existence of 'souls' isn't proven, despite 100 years people's search. They weighed bodies of dying persons and the corpses after death.
Your abortion question is at least a well developed text.
in my opinion , it's the woman's decision, NOT the government's decision.
Then it should be a woman's decision to kill you too if she wants to if it's NOT the government's decision, right?
@ThisAndThat the majority of abortions happen on zygotes, NOT on babies
Do you agree that cells come from humans and that they are living cells? You can't agree on that and say that cells isn't life. And you can't agree that when them cells combine to make a baby that there isn't a baby either.
@ThisAndThat "cells come from humans and that they are living cells"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ5RvbjWFtQ&t=16s
Stop beating the bishop: each time you kill millions of living cells.
Marvelous comeback Jacque!
@ThisAndThat try to stop her: mass shooters are rarely stopped in the US
@Unit1 and every month a woman doesn't get pregnant, a life is lost.
Nice comparison
And usually the victims of mass shootings are crises actors. You add it up.
@thothahuramazda @Malik00 @All_Anonymous
Forcing a girl to carry out an unwanted pregnancy and to go through labor and childbirth is worse than a rape: it's like raping her several times daily for nine months, to end with a double fisting.
I guess you didn't know girls are suppose to have babies and abortions weren't meant to be?
Wall of text, no paragraphs. Impossible to read like that.
wow im an idiot.. it shows up like that when on a phone.. i wonder what being mobile does to your formatting.
you made me smile, these rather large paragraphs were a challenge to my usual self verbal purge, happy to see it wasn't quite as true as usual... xx
glad i could make you smile @SaskiaBlueRaySoul
I feel like it's the same way with being vegan or just a regular meat-eater. Do whatever you want, believe whatever you want. Don't try to force your ideology on others though.
Despite whatever ethical issues come with abortion, a woman still gets the right to choose. Her uterus should not be under government control!
I agree with the right to do whatever you want with your body. But father's are often overlooked in such procedures, that needs to change
@Ioso29640 Easy to change that: only unprotected sex with girls wanting your baby.
What about if someone changes their mind half way through pregnancy? 9 months is a long time.
Wow, pre 12 weeks, perhaps as a one off, 20+its basically murder unless of extreme circumstances.
As for 7, she needs a regular compulsory contraception jab, in my humble opinion
You are free to choose,
but you are not free
from the consequence
of your choice - Buddha
Well I Believe abortion is wrong and I Will never do it myself. But we can't go back now so just gonna try to move forward
I couldn't give a shit, Not my body, Not my business. Not my choice...
I had a girlfriend that I poled.. I wanted her to keep it, and I would take care of the child.. I had no say. so fuck it.. don't give a shit anymore..
I support choice not abortion. Simple as that. If you all think that a fetus is a human life, i don't or we dont.
I'm anti government barging into people's private lives and making life-altering decisions for them.
Yeah man! I hate the government arresting me for killing someone on the street!
The point is. You're not interfering with your own life. Your interfering with the life of a fetus and soon-to-be baby.