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men and women are different and we should have different standards for them. unless they are the same in a certain way we should have 2 separate standards for them
feminists are wrong; men and women are not equal, equal in rights maybe but not equal in anything else
Did I say equal in everything?
But to excuse certain behaviors like a lot
of sexual partners or cheating for men but hold women to a higher standard is wrong.
Just as is holding men to a higher standard of not being physically abusive than women are held to is also wrong...
Certain behaviors are wrong and both genders should be held to the same standards when it comes to those behaviors
its not wrong to hold women to a higher standard, women can get pregnant and need to find a mate sooner than men as their partnering value goes down each year after 22 and plummets after 30
Only if you could women as just a vessel for creating babies, and to say any person's value goes down is just ridiculous anyways
And so cuz men don't get pregnant it's okay for them to have more sex partners 🤔 maybe women don't want make sluts any more than men want female sluts 🤔
*male
men are visually motivated creatures and we become less attracted to you with age.
the first requirement to being succesful in dating is to accept the other side for what they are. accept us the way we are and accept the truth in my words; your value goes down every year after 22. this is not our fault
Only for people with your mindset... To which I wouldn't be interested anyways 🤣 that's what you and others don't get, so busy judging other and their "value" you forget to think how others would "value" you 🤷🏼♀️ just saying... Oh but if what you say is true, then why have I gotten way more attention in my 40's then I ever did in my 20's🤔 maybe because not everyone has the same ideas of what makes a person valuable 🤔 And that's exactly the point, you think you speak for all men just cuz you're a man, but not ALL men think the way you do...
no its not "my mindset" its just the fundamental rules of how men are
No it's not the mindset of all men, again just because you're a man you think you know the mindset of all men? That would be as stupid as if I Say I know the mindset of all females just because I'm female... I was married to a man for twenty years that definitely didn't share your "mindset"
you probably can never be succesful in dating, you don't except men the way they are
Wouldn't be successful in dating 🤔 that's why my marriage lasted 20 years huh🤔
And, Don't to presume to know me or anything about me... I accept decent people for who they are... But yeah, I wouldn't accept a man who thinks he's superior to me cuz he's a mighty male and I'm the lowly female, or who would cheat and think it's justified cuz he's a man. But see, I've never really dealt with that in real life, so is it just on here? Or is it that I surround myself with a better class of people than that?
lasted? so it didn't work out? a divorce is still a failure, you would have been more succesful if you broke up after the first date
there is nothing admirable about keeping a bad relationship going for decades
See how stupid people end up being when they assume shit. No, my husband died 7 years ago... But keep up with the Assumptions, you're just proving the points in what this take was about!
either way it changes nothing of the actual discussion, you can't accept human nature
Just because asshats act like that on here, don't make it human nature, no man I've ever met, save one, ever acted like that IRl, so that's the human nature I'll gho by thank you very much 🙂
that's cuz people are more honest on here than in real life
No, that's because some people are selective in who they let into they're real life... And, I choose smart people that know the difference between real and false, and not to believe everything they read online as truth, It's just as easy to lie more online too, isn't it 🤔🤔
Other than political double standards such as the bias shown by family courts and the bias in favor of women and minorities, can't think of any that are not logical such as it is okay for a guy to walk alone at night in all kinds of neighborhoods but not girls.
What this take highlights for me is the fact that women tend to see everything though very gynocentric lenses. Men of course do the same thing but I mention it here because many of the examples you gave of "double standards" are really only your one-sided gynocentric views of those issues and not the reality of what is really happening. That is the underlying issue in all of this "double standards" and sexism stuff in the first place.
No it's not tho... It's the way I see people treat others on here and were actual examples taken from people's replies...
So it's not double standards for men to be able to say they wouldn't date a fat chick, or a chick with small boobs, but if a woman wants to date a tall man versus short she's shallow or evil?
So it's okay for men to have multiple partners but shame a women for having the same #'s... If you want a person that don't sleep around, BE A PERSON that don't sleep around...
If a man cheats on a woman, it's cuz she wasn't taking care of his needs... But if a woman cheats on a man, she just an evil slut... NO anyone that cheats, man or women are just POS'S...
I was fair and called it the issues both men and women are guilty of, yet you only mentioned women... See that's an issue for me... Anyone bashing people by gender is an issue for me, but some guys on here will bash females but jump on females that bash men... How about noone bash by gender... But, thanks for reading 🙂
Yes, it really is. What you’re talking about is your PERCEPTION of those things, not necessarily the reality of them. For example:
“So it's not double standards for men to be able to say they wouldn't date a fat chick, or a chick with small boobs, but if a woman wants to date a tall man versus short she's shallow or evil?”
Huh? I’m my lifetime I have seen way more instances of men being called shallow for preferring slim girls with big boobs than of women being called shallow for height preferences. WAY more! Men have historically been almost universally considered the shallower sex for these reasons and it is only in recent years that men have started calling out women for their own shallowness. And now suddenly women think it’s a double standard? Come on now, take off those gynocentric lenses for a moment and see the rest of the picture.
“If a man cheats on a woman, it's cuz she wasn't taking care of his needs... But if a woman cheats on a man, she just an evil slut...”
Wait, what? Again, historically a man who cheated was always called a selfish cheating pig who only cared about sex whereas a woman who cheated “was obviously being neglected by her husband so she had to find emotional fulfillment outside her marriage”. Women are almost always judged less harshly than men for the same offense, and cheating is no exception. I will say that in recent years that the myth that men cheat a lot more than women has been debunked so women are now being judged just as harshly (almost), but more harshly? Not a chance. Again, it’s those biased lenses of yours that are the problem here.
I agree 100% with the sentiment of your MyTake here and I appreciate you taking the time to post it and get people thinking about the issues. But the issue here is the biases we all have that color our perception of things, and what you’ve written here shows you are as guilty as anyone else. Forget the double standards for a moment and consider the real underlying issue, which is the fact that we all see things through our own biased filters and it takes a lot of honesty to see past them.
I stand by everything I said in my initial response.
If that isn't the pot calling the kettle... If that's really the case, why did it take me almost an hour to find just 3 example responses of women being rude and biased against men (even going to posts that the female poster was being negative about men, cuz most Female replies were defending men, yet it took less than 10 minutes to find way more examples of men being rude and biased and sexist against females and that can be found on pretty much ANY post be matter what the topic.
And ANYONE THAT CHEATS IS AN ISSUE whether it's man or woman... And funny, but yet AGAIN, I mention both genders, you mention just women, which shows your reply is biased by your obvious bias against women whereas I have no bias or ill will towards men unless they're sexist idiots... But I ALSO feel the same about females that are sexist idiots... Idiots period, 🙂
And also, Is also like to point out how can it be my perception if I backed it up with proof? Just pay attention to what said on here by both males and females... You say women body shame men, but on here I see way more of that from men, and men even attacking their own gender if they agree with a female, calling them simps or white knights...
No, you didn't back anything up with proof; you just told me your perception based on your experience. My own experience suggests something very different from what you're claiming... is that proof too? Nope.
And no, I never said women body shame men. In any question about the role that height plays in women's attraction to men, most female responders are very honest about the fact that they find tall men more attractive than short men, and any short man doesn't need anyone to tell him that anyway. That is what we're talking about when we discuss double standards. Women are every bit as discerning and judgmental about men's height as men are about a women's figures, and I have no doubt you know that. If you don't then you need to come on down and spend a little time here on planet Earth and see for yourself. Or, you can just take off those lenses for a while and observed things without your preconceived biases for a change.
Now, I will grant you that some guys tend to be less sensitive when they discuss these topics but that's a different discussion and has nothing to do with the examples of "double standards" you gave. I was responding to your claims such as "If a man cheats on a woman, it's cuz she wasn't taking care of his needs... But if a woman cheats on a man, she just an evil slut...", which is utter nonsense. It's not a double standard... men and women may use different terms to describe the lowlifes of each sex who cheat but women are just as vocally bitter and critical about men who cheat as men are about women who cheat. Let's keep it real, OK?
Again, my point in all of this is that everyone should try to get rid of their double standards, but that effort is pointless until we recognize our biases first and are honest with ourselves about how those biases color our perceptions and judgment. When a man and a woman can look at the very same issue and both think it is a double standard against their own gender, the real problem is not a double standard. It's preconceived bias.
Again, did you read? How is it MY PERCEPTION, when I used actual replies from ACTUAL USERS ON HERE!! I couldn't attach usernames cuz that would of been considered a member post but I'll gladly send you links to the posts I got those replies from and you can see for yourself... But it wouldn't matter, you're too full of bias... And funny, the height thing... I see LOTS of female users that say height DON'T MATTER, see since again you user the fact that some women prefer tall, to say ALL women do... Another assumption... Some men say women don't tell the truth, they do, but some men ain't trying to hear or listen, especially if it disproves the false accusations they're making... But okay, we're not going to get anywhere because your not trying to hear... And no shit women talk shit about men who cheat BUT OTHER MEN tell men it's okay, okay to have a side chick, women are just good for pussy, etc... Again I suggest you read some of the replies from people on here from both male and female users, and then come back and talk about these preconceived notions, and who's not seeing things realistically? Cuz I guarantee you, it's not me 🙂 bit okay thanks for the convo
I "know" what I see here on GAG day in and day out and it does not support your claims. You could give me your cherry picked examples to support your views and I promise you I would have no trouble coming up with my own list of examples to support mine. Would your "proof" somehow be more credible than mine? I'm sure it would be to you. lol
I have my biases, obviously. And you have yours. Because we both see the world through our own biased filters. The difference is you can admit that, but you can't. Instead you "guarantee" you are the one who is right and I am wrong.
Everything you have written here is subjective and you have interpreted it all through your own biased filters. You have stated it all as "fact" and yet my perceptions of the very same issues here on GAG are very different. That's because you and I both have preconceived biases that color our perceptions. But again, the difference between you and me is that I am honest enough to acknowledge mine but you are not.
Asking someone to check their double standards is pointless until they evaluate their biases and have some HONESTY about how those biases affect their perceptions. That's where you have fallen flat every time.
he difference is *I can admit that, but you can't.
Again wrong, and you keep trying to make it personal about me... So make sure it you do that you get it right!! I call it anyone man or women for their stupidity, you keep just calling out women? Why is that? And here, for cherry picked, check the question and my reply, cuz that's WHAT I'M ABOUT!
Why is it both men and women try to justify going after married people to sleep with and date? ↗
No, I am not just calling out women. I'm calling out EVERYONE, including myself, and yes YOU for the ridiculously inaccurate examples you gave of "double standards" that are not double standards at all because BOTH genders do what YOU were using as examples of men's double standards about women, and just like YOU, most people do it because of the gender-biased filters through which they interpret what they see. Those are biases, not double standards. Your biases led you to use examples of "double standards" that are not actually double standards at all. PLEASE stop and let that sink in for a moment before you post any more silliness.
I am not wrong, you are just too dense and dishonest to grasp what I'm actually saying here, which is painfully obvious when you continue to post responses that are not responding to my point. I could not care less about your response in the question you linked because it is completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about here. If you stopped bitching for a moment and actually gave a moments thought to what I've written you would have realized that.
@Brainsbeforebeauty
goosh I hope this won't turn into pissing contest
Hers some of mens issues and biases against them
Way more scholarships are woman only than those who are accessible to men, despite woman graduating more than men.
Cancer studies for woman only cancers are way more funded than for men only cancer.
When men is accused of any sexual wrong doing, he is assumed to be guilty not caring if girl lied or not.
Men are called police on just for being with there kids in parks.
Fathers parenting being called babysitting.
There are almost no safe spaces for men.
There is no socially acceptable way to defend yourself if girl assaults you.
Paternity fraud, without test men have no way of knowing if they are father or not.
Wast majority of suicides and workplace deaths are men.
Both men and woman have there problems and there chalanges. I would not add to bias thing like looks and sexual partner count as amount of care about them does change a lot person by person. We are different, we event think differently. Its not wise to put same ai for men and woman.
Do you mean women are treated worse to much, that's what I think mostly has happened in history.
I didn't just say women... I'm saying no one, should be treated crappy based off bias for their gender, when it's women doing that to men or men doing that to women
Ok so I'm taking that as it's ok for me to not like men at all really 😜
If that's how you feel... I like men, I don't like asshats, I like women, just don't like asshats... Asshats come in both genders
But nearly every guy is a dog and able to do or allow sick stuff to happen, only a small few are able to act like men not animal.
Well then at least my hubby was one of em
It suprised me how some men appear normal then get a pack mentality or just won't do anything to stop outher guys from being sick.
Different standards and expectations exist for a reason. I can recognize and meet them while still feeling perfectly free. I agree with the part about assumptions though.
You shouldn’t use Emma Watson for any quotes. She’s very privileged and has zero idea what it’s like to be an average man or woman.
For me it was more about the message than who said it... 🤷🏼♀️ And I believe BOTH genders should be free from gender stereotypes !!
In a perfect world yes. But that will never happen.
How about just acknowledging that your gender has some privileges, the other gender has some privileges and just do your best not to exploit what you have and also recognize what the other gender does not have?
Marches, hashtags, progressiveness, etc will never supersede DNA. It’s much more complicated.
Umm isn't that what I was saying in this Mytake? Did you even read it?
"just do your best not to exploit what you have and also recognize what the other gender does not have?
🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
The title of the take seemed to come off as “you need to check your privilege”. It set the tone for how I read it.
Yes I get to enjoy some privileges being a guy. The two biggest ones I personally noticed is my sex appeal has more longevity vs. a female counterpart my age. It’s easier for me to get younger women than it is for her to get younger guys. That one I admit.
The other one is men are debatably looked up to for promiscuity. While this is more of a young guy game their are still remnants of it now. Women prefer a sexually experienced guy whether they admit or not.
But also guys have almost 4 times the suicide rates of women and we don’t live as long. Lots of women dismissively just say “oh well they just need more mental health support for men”. But there is a much deeper darker reason for that and not such an easy solution. When society tells us we are “privileged” and to suck it up when life sucks then just seeing counselors might not be enough.
How did the title have anything to do with privilege? It was meant to convey to stop having double standards, stop the bias, stop alternating people with asshat assumptions, cuz that's what happens... I would never be friends with a man much less date a man that is sexist against females, anymore than I'd be friends with a female sexist towards men... And if you didn't get that that's what this take was about, that's not on me 🤷🏼♀️ other people got it 🤷🏼♀️
Alright I just don’t get it. Truth is all this debate of double standards is just an exercise in futility.
I just want to get laid this week and I’m thinking I got a good chance of it happening.
So you one of them women are just something to lay?
Nice post! I believe we have to have balance and not thinking too much radical
I agree!!
Yeap :) and hi! How are you? I was a good boy these days :) :)
Well that's good to hear 🙂😂
Heheh see i needed discipline 😋 you should keep me like that hahah
Lololol
😁😁
May this change people's minds <3
,🤗 thanks.. But don't hold your breath, and I won't either lolol but would be nice, wouldn't it
XD... SOME OF THESE USER QUOTES ARE GOLD...
There were way more and way worse ones but didn't feel like scrolling too far back lol and then it would of gotten too long, it was already too lengthy lolol
I just came here for tits😩
😂😂😂 sorry 🤷🏼♀️
I did read it and it's very well done. And it shouldn't be, them and us, we are all human. X
Thank you and I agree
😛 sooo can I have tits now🔥🔥🥵
Need bitty
Eyes closing, just poke me with a stick
I'll poke you with a stick alright lololol I don't show titty online, but there's plenty females that do apparently, I just ain't one of em lolol
I wouldn't say no.
But I did only make the first comment as tounge and cheak response to your wonderful writing.
Basically, I'm my own man, I am not the man you have great expectations of.
The easiest way to relay that was, I just came here for tits.
message any time
But see, people should stop having so many expectations... Wants, needs, desires yes... Expecting people to be the way you think they should be, no... If I don't agree with someone or their lifestyle or choices, I don't say they're wrong, just as wrong for me as I'd be for them
Agree😁
👍👍... Still ain't showing you tits tho
😛😂😂😂
They're not really double standards though. There's a different between a double standard and standards for two different things. So it's not really an issue in the way that you frame it.
How is it different things tho?🤔
It's comparing apples and oranges.
It's like having one expectation for how we want our apples and another for oranges. We don't care about crunchiness in oranges but it's often a desirable quality in applies. When it comes to people, they want different things from each other, have different preferences, and there's trends in the data as well. A better question would be how could it be the same? Forcing universal a standard on everyone when people don't share the same interests and preferences is obviously flawed.
Forcing universal a standard on everyone when people don't share the same interests and preferences is obviously flawed...
Isn't that what I'm saying? Forcing the same standards on ALL females or ALL males don't work, cuz not ALL males are the same any more than ALL females are
There are still standards which are applied because there are trends. You can't expect men and women to have the same standards, but you can expect men and women respectively to have trends and expectations designed to have wider appeal.
Thus, yes, hairy women are widely unattractive while that's not as prevalent for men. So acting like there's a valid comparison between men and women there and calling it a double standard is nonsense. But neither can you just do whatever you want and call yourself attractive. Appealing to trends is just good marketing.
Basically, I don't think you're identifying double standards here.
Name one and we'll discuss why it's probably not a double standard.
1-Men going based off looks (it's cuz they're visual but women going off looks-they're shallow.
2- men have a lot of sexual partners (they're experienced or it's in their genetics) women have same amount of sexual partners (they're sluts or it lowers their value)
And where did I say ANYTHING about hairy women, wow man it was a meme to show a point, don't take a meme so literal read the words
3- if a women gets screwed over by a man, she picked the wrong man or likes the bad boy..
But if a man gets screwed over by a women she was an evil woman just using him for his money
1. I don’t think that’s really the case, I think it’s you holding that believe more than it actually existing in others. But really, it’s about what people are bothered by and prefer, so even if it’s real, if men generally are more bothered by the shallowness and women aren’t then why do you think you should decide that my position is invalid when that’s just how people are?
2. They very obviously don’t. I think what you’re referring to is the relative amount people are bothered by men and women body count. Women tend to be less bothered by it, and this is related to the fact that it’s not as challenging for them to have more partners. So they aren’t as bothered since they’re able to live that way anyway. But men see a greater challenge and put more emphasis on the exclusivity of sexuality. You don’t get to tell women that they should be more bothered or however you want to phrase it.
I was referencing the image of the hairy man/woman example.
3. Also not real. When that happens everyone flocks to console her with messages of toxic positivity. She’s the victim, she did no wrong, female empowerment, women so oppressed, etc, etc. Yet they law entitles women to men’s property and women insist men pay on dates and everything between those examples. Clearly people find taking advantage of men’s resources more acceptable.
And you're not biased at all... Even though I'm a female I called out bias and double standards of both sexes, I know it comes from both men and women, yet just another male, blaming everything on females...
But okay, thanks for reading and replying 🙂
I literally didn’t blame women there. So re-read before you cast shade and make yourself look like a fool.
Though it does seem like you’re keen to cast blame on some a stereotype of men. You need to actually make your case, not complain about some stereotype you’ve got stuck in your head.
So let’s try again. Don’t whine. Just argue your point.
Maybe you should go and reread this take! Because it wasn't directed at JUST MEN... It was saying, NOONE regardless of gender, should be falsely assuming or disrespecting someone just by their gender.
Sorry, you don't seem to get that 🤷🏼♀️
Well I never said it wasn't directed at just men.
I understand your trying to have a positive message, but the problem is that your misidentifying things as problems when they aren't. By not understanding the validity of other people's positions, and not acknowledging the tends that form, your message becomes toxic in itself.
And that's what I'm trying to talk about. I want to walk you through the issues, but it seems you've already decided you know best for everyone...
🤣🤣🤣 yeah okay sure lololol
Well you can't explain your position and I can so... sounds like the only one putting real idea out there. Any time you're ready to grow up and have real conversations instead of being dismissive, here I am.
You call insulting "real conversation" Sorry if I have to disagree there... And am I not allowed to dismiss someone who trying to make it personal, nowhere did I do that, but okay 🤷🏼♀️
If you read my original comment, it's about how you're calling things double standards which aren't double standards. That's all. I didn't make it personal, you did when you accused me of being biased instead of answering my arguments.
How much of these standards are placed on chicks by other chicks? Seems we went from men owning women to women owning each other.
Really 🤔 funny tho cuz it's been on here I see doing that not only to women, but calling any man that don't agree with them simps or white knights 🤔🤔
,*men
Thanks - very informative mytake!
Thank you 💜🙂
I agree but its true that few men are worth it
Look there's good and bad, women and men... Men can't be blamed for everything. Yes, I see where some men treat women as nothing but a vagina, but I also see women that use their vagina to get what they want from a man... And others see that, and think if it's okay for the goose it's okay for the gander... Doesn't excuse it cuz at the end of the day, you should do what you know is there right thing to do regardless of what others do, but there's people that do what they see others do
Im just saying the truth
Im not angry or anything
Its simply the truth
Well, I kindly disagree... I know a lot of really good men, that would never act or treat women like some of the asshats do on here... And notice I said some, because there's some male users on here, that seem to be good guys if they're the same IRL as they are on here
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Thank you 💜🤗(takes bow lol) (throws out hip) or maybe it's frozen... But knock on wood, fingers crossed, furnace should be fixed today (he just went to buy the part)... Have one little space heater here now, but that damn thing so little ain't doing much
I hope it works
You and me both!!
I don't need my mom cold😭
HEAT'S ON 😭😭
Yay. Me happy cuz itz sooopppper cold here 😭
Yeah it got super cold in the house yesterday
Aww. We actually had snow last night.
Hush your mouth lololol DON'T SAY THE S WORD... That's like a swear word in my house lololol so don't be swearing at momma 😱😂😂
Sorry 😭😭😭
Double standards are a beautiful thing
Not really
It was a sarcastic comment.
Oh sorry then yes really lol
Wow that’s a lot of crying and whining. Perhaps you could just man up and deal with it. Lol
How is that whining or crying to call people out on their bullshit 🤣 but okay.. You man up.. I womaned up with my Mac of 20 years cuz he was a good man, not a sexist fucking idiot like some of the people on here, but thanks for your reply 🙂🙂
*man not Mac
You’re welcome. 🙂
When I see proof ill believe it
See proof of what?
Of most women not being how they are labeled, at least around my age anyway
I am related to a lot of women your age, my two daughters included who are nothing like the few sexist idiots on GAG try to portray all women as.. Oh can there be some fucked up bullshit women, yes... Does that mean ALL women like that... NO... Just like coz some men sexist assholes, I'LL NEVER SAY all men are, cuz I KNOW that's not true, and Wouldn't be fair to all the decent men out there, cuz I'M NOT a sexist biased asshole... I'll call it the INDIVIDUAL that is, not their WHOLE GENDER, you should try it some time 🙂
I said most not all
So.. You know most women in the world to say that as a fact? Or most is just another generalization based off your bias against women 🤔
Just from my and other men's experiences, and again not all women, and not most women, just most women around my age, in feminist countries, don't get the problem here, because you also probably don't know I feel most men are horrible as well and part of the cause for these particular women to be terrible as well. My eyes are wide open for any woman in this category to prove me wrong and I'm also here to prove not everything is true about men either
If you got this take, that's exactly what I was trying to say, not all women are innocent, but not all are bad either... Not all men are innocent, but not all are bad either!!
The WHOLE POINT was to stop using bias and assumption to lump all women or all men the same, cuz THEY'RE NOT! And to go by the individual...
Just cuz I'm a female, don't mean I'm a feminist, or a liar or a user or etc...
Just like cuz you're a man I wouldn't prejudge/label you a sexist, or rapist or incapable of being faithful just because some men are those things...
It's ridiculous to do that to people whether it's a man doing that to women or women doing that to men... Or hating on your own gender for not agreeing with those gender Assumptions or stereotypes...
Yeah i got that part but I just personally agree with some double standards because with some things men and women will just never be equal on
Well there well have to disagree, This one gender is better than the other is bs... Men thinking they're superior to women is just as bad as of women think they're superior to men... Don't listen to a man just cuz he's a man, listen to him if he's right... Don't just not listen to a woman cuz she's a woman, don't listen if she's wrong... There's wonder on here I totally disagree with and there's men I totally agree with... But it's more about their intellect and behavior not THEIR GENDER
*women not wonder 🙄
That's not what I mean