Also, would “sugar baby” be the same thing as “gold digger” or is there a difference?
Thoughts on sugar daddy and sugar baby relationships?
Also, would “sugar baby” be the same thing as “gold digger” or is there a difference?
I know some SB/SD couples.
The first thing to know is that the term sugar baby is often misused and that leads to a great deal of confusion and misunderstanding.
A sugar baby is a mistress, plain and simple. There is usually an emotional component, and it is accurate to say that many SB/SD couples love each other.
Women that are hookers, escorts, charity cases, and picture sellers often call themselves sugar babies, when they are no such thing.
Most sugar daddies are married and have no intention of marrying their sugar babies, and the SBs have no expectation of marrying their SDs. Although one of the couples I know, and maybe another, would get married if polygamy were legal. The financial ties between SB and SD is limited, typically agreed to, and can be ended at any time without further obligation. The financial component is typically from $800/mo to $2,500/mo (more in places like SFO and Manhattan). The relationship is usually discreet (not so much in France or Italy).
The financial difference between an sugar baby and a girl living with her boyfriend who pays the bills or a housewife with a working husband is not philosophically any different. The man is paying for much, if not all the living expenses of the girl.
Gold diggers are typically looking for a much larger financial benefit than a sugar baby. They are playing for a big payoff. They want the houses, the travel, the ten thousand a month allowance, and the social prestige of being married to a rich guy. Heaven help him if she divorces her.
In summary, a sugar baby and her benefactor agree to some limited amount of financial benefit (which may be fixed or flexible); a gold digger wants it all.
I absolutely think there's a difference. To my mind, a gold digger is a someone who feigns interest in another and pretends to care about them because that person has money, and can support a lifestyle desired by the gold digger. This may extend from simple dating to a marriage, and may or may not involve sex. A "sugar baby" is an agreed upon arrangement with another that involves, 99% of the time, providing sexual relations in exchange for something else. It doesn't need to be "cash", but it's something of value that's pre-determined and agreed upon. Maybe it's an apartment, or a car, or mortgage payments, or college tuition. It can be anything really, but sex is the generally expected exchange, or maybe the appearance of a "relationship". I know of a situation where the man is gay but has to appear "straight" to the public eye due to his position. He married a woman who agreed to be his "wife" in public in every sense, in exchange for a worry free, somewhat lavish life style. She is also free to have lovers, very discreetly, preferably out of town. I also know of a straight up "sugar baby" arrangement where the man travels to this woman's city for work, quite often, and provides her an apartment and stipend for expenses. She's required to be available to him on any kind of notice, have sex all he wants, and be his companion while he visits, in exchange for keeping her in the apartment.
That's still prostitution you can pay for sex with anything that is valuable
@Skyrim5346 You'd have a difficult time proving, legally, that it's anything other than consenting adults in a "relationship".
You can pay for sex with sex do I need to say more
@Skyrim5346 So, 2 unmarried people are living together as a couple in a relationship. She doesn't work, he earns all the money, pays for everything. They have "sex" like any married couple or co-habituating couple. Are you saying she's a prostitute, or because they're a committed albeit unmarried couple, she's not?
No I'm not but what if the man is the breadwinner
So what is the reason to engage in money grubbing and why is it ok
If you have it and you want to give it and they want it because they don't have it just give it to them if you make it about sex and relationships it won't last and if does it not just for love
It's about the money if it wasn't you not be asking such a foolish question
@Skyrim5346 I guess you've answered MzAsh's question. You're entitled to your opinion. Have a nice, drug free day. :)
You too 😊 wait does Marijuana count as a drug weed is great for relationships
@AmandaYVR LOL you're such a darling, Amanda !
"but sex is the generally expected exchange"
You are describing marriage.
@WalterRadio :) LOL I've heard it said that marriage is little more than legalized prostitution for the purpose of procreation. The difference within a marriage, however, is that there are far more expectations and implied agreements/understandings. In a sugar baby/daddy relationship, it can be as little as one thing - sex in exchange for room and board, or a car, or whatever. It doesn't have to involve companionship or even spending time if that's not part of the arrangement. Marriages are much more involved, for the most part, especially if you're going to be raising kids. Marriages are also more difficult to end because they're legal contracts, where sugar babes are not.
Just another label that seems similar to regular dating. The only difference is both parties are more upfront with their needs. I don't really think badly of a sugar daddy to baby or sugar mommy.
Regular dating isn't so far off except the interior hidden motives are in between the texts, calling rituals, eating out, going to events, sexual intimacy, emotional intimacy. Some partners one or both, like a marriage, may lean on each other financially too. Some lie to themselves to others to get there.
So being in a sg relationship label isn't really as bad as anything else. Its upfront and its simplified approach doesn't limit authenticity.
Okay so I'd love the idea of being a sugar baby in theory because money and being it in practice is messy in my opinion. But no judgement if everyone is a concenting adult why the fuck not right?
I think the main difference between gold digger and sugar baby is the honesty. A sugar babe will let you know they want money and are there in part because of said money. A gold digger does not. Being in a relationship with financial security and comfort in the forefront is cool if you're honest about it.
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That's between the two consenting parties and not for me to judge their relationship. The only thing that bothers me is the bad connotations back to each gender when assumptions are made that "all women" want this or "all men" want that, etc.
Don't know what a sugar baby is. but I think I have a UNDERSTANDING of what a sugar daddy and a sugar momma is. both terms are used for when the other person pays money to be with the other person. this is my understanding. my personal views are no one should have to pay the other person male or female to be in a relationship with them. this is totally wrong on all levels. in Relationship like this the one that is paying cash to be with the other person that person who has to pay cash has a very low self-esteem issue and also really doesn't like themselves and thinks if they pay cash there partner will like them. they are getting used any way you look at it. plus they don't value themselves very much and don't know there own strength and there weakness is. they need to learn how to let a person love them for who they are and not because they are giving out cash.. once cash is gone or the person wants more cash and you don't have it they are going to leave. so don't pay anyone to make them be with you. and my advice for the fellas is stop LEADING WITH YOUR CASH... AND STOP BEING FLASHY WITH CASH... THIS WILL ATTRACT THE WRONG type of woman who only wants and sees you as a opportunity to get cash... NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO PAY THERE PARTNERS BILLS INORDER TO BE WITH THEM. AND IF THEY DO THEY HAVE A EXTREMELY LOW SELF-ESTEEM OF THEMSELVES... they definitely don't need to be dating.. use your cash to fix yourself up and attract the right type of person in your life.
A "sugar" relationship is openly negotiated and an amount agreed upon for companionship (which usually includes but is not limited to sex), but with no expectation of a full romantic relationship. The man is often married and doesn't intend to leave his wife and family. The arrangement usually requires her to be monogamous.
A gold-digger is a woman who pretends to be in love with the man and is usually looking for marriage, followed a few years later by a divorce (or his death and a large inheritance if he is quite old or sick). She is usually looking for a large, life-changing payout through deception.
The difference is the guy in control. People focus too much on the women but forgot about the guy.
The sugar relationship is where the guy offer the sugar and the gal hop into it and the guy has his fun. It's very transactional. It might grow from there but it highly depending on the guy.
They only become a gold digger when they got upgraded into mistress status or lover status. As long as the guy sticks to the transactional nature of the relationship then it's just the normal sugar relationship.
That's prostitution
Prostitution is what you are talking about
A SB/SD relationship is NOT transactional.
A sugar baby IS a mistress. A gold digger wants to be the primary or only woman in the man's life and take him for all he's got.
You are confusing the nomenclature. A lot of hookers and escorts call themselves sugar babies, but they are not. They are hookers and escorts.
I think sugar Mama or sugar Daddy is just a form of money grubbing why should someone else pay for everything that is messed up
@Skyrim5346
The man should always pay for everything when dating.
When one person is financially well off, due to success, and the other is struggling because she is still in school, then it is perfectly reasonable that the one with money voluntarily provide financial assistance to the one who could use it.
It isn't like someone is threatening to put the wealthier person in jail if he doesn't pay the living expenses of the less wealthy person; such as with progressive taxation.
Yeah because men are usually the breadwinner that is why this world refuses to accept change the saying should go the more things don't change the more they stay the same
@Skyrim5346
It's not prostitution, you gotta have to learn about it to know it.
Sugar relationship always starts out as transactional. Everything begins with trust. You don't just give a house to a stranger. As long as the guy keeps the relationship strictly transactional and their private lives private then the SB will not be promoted to mistress.
For example, you met a girl you like, you go on dates with her, you bring her to parties and have her act as arm candy... etc. you deposit 2k a month to her account. You don't know her real name, you use a burner phone and you don't really care about exclusivity. She is a sugar baby and can be said to be a mistress but since she might have a couple more guys than you so I wouldn't call her a mistress.
Well it is based on money so I don't think it's good for anyone
@Skyrim5346
Marriage is based on money.
That's exactly what I mean so is dating take the money out of it and maybe it will be different
All this is outdated stuff that people still do
@Skyrim5346
"so is dating take the money out of it"
Sex and money are inseparable. It is a consequence of how we evolved.
No it's not cavemen didn't have money
Have you ever seen in the search for fire cavemen were boning it up too all day long
@Skyrim5346
They had meat they killed, they had huts they built.
I read an interesting academic report one time on why it is that almost everything developed for civilization was created by men, who seem to be far more ambitious than women as a group. The conclusion is that men's ambition and success is for the purpose of sex. Until the last few decades, the more successful men tended to have more offspring who survived to have offspring themselves.
A gold-digger is a woman who only dates a man for his money rather than because she actually cares for him. A sugar daddy/baby relationship is almost the same thing, only with a different name. Those young women would not be dating these older men for any other reason.
The main difference between the two I think though is that in a sugar daddy/baby relationship each of them know for sure that the relationship is almost purely trans-actional, and they set certain expectations. Whereas a man who ends up with a gold-digger is often clueless since those kinds of women are able to fool him into thinking otherwise, and they do that to manipulate him to get as much from him as possible.
The way I see it, a gold digger is a person that pretends to love someone, but are mainly just after their money and status etc
Sugar Babies have an arranged relationship where both parties know the deal lol.
Sugarbaby wants money, gifts and nice holidays.
Sugardady wants company from a young, hot lady (trophy girlfriend) and sex and whatever else they wish
Sugar baby and gold digger are similar with one key difference which is the gold digger's goal is access to a wealthy man's wealth through marraige while a sugar baby is basically a prostitute that a wealthy man may feed, fund, shelter and shower with gifts in exchange for sex. Sugar babies are usually young in her teens and early twenties that are acting as a girlfriend for financial gain and may have a few sugar daddies, sugar daddies are using them too and see this relationship as disposable even if they care about them. Gold diggers can be any age and are often former sugar babies who recognise that their looks are fading and want to land a big fish so they won't ever have to worry about money again. Often sugar babies just do it to pay thrir way through college, I'd say their are a lot of women with PhDs that were sugar babies in college.
Anyway most wealthy men don't fall for the goldigger routine, they size up the relationship with a keen eye of a businessman.
FYI.. some SBs get paid for their time too. I understand that's outside of a lot of people's realm of thinking. Yes there's frequent exchanges of money for sexual favors as well. I'm not sure why we are concerning ourselves with other people's consenting lifestyles. However, I'm interested to look at your article!
SB's do not get paid for their time. Hookers and escorts get paid for their time. Hookers and escorts may call themselves sugar babies, but they are not.
Oh, have you ever been a SB?
I know some SB/SD couples.
My girlfriend even had a roommate who was a SB.
These relationships are not for everyone, but they can be perfect for some.
I couldn't agree more!
to me there's a big difference... gold diggas seem to hide what they are as they work on parting a fool and his money but sugar relationships are all out in the open as far as the two people involved are concerned and even if genuine feelings ensue, they still both put something in and get something out, pardon the pun, and so to me aren't really anyones business but theirs.
Gold digger is perhaps a more umbrella term and maybe leans more, especially historically towards women who marry old rich men for the inheritence.
Sugar babies are more to do with a BDSM / DDLG type kink on the submissive side and you the female dom version would be a fin dom /financial dom where the male is buying in for the priviledge of being treated like shit i guess, though at least they are the focus of her attention?
I dont know if there are any other terms for other flavours.
There was a younger girl who I was legitimately hooking up with a few years ago that aspirations to do this when she saw the nice place I bought.
Tbh I never thought I would be “that guy”. Seems to cheapen her and my existence. But dating and sex is SUCH a pain in the ass nowadays. One wrong move or comment and I’m a “creep”. The thought of having this kind of arrangement has crossed my mind a few times. But I see it ending as a train wreck. And if a legitimate girl started dating me and found out about it...
When I was younger, I frowned upon this type relationship; however, I matured and endured my own battle scars, I began to understand and appreciate how this type of relationship is mutually beneficial to both parties. It is not for everyone for sure, but I have seen first hand how two couples actually made this relationship work for them. And they have endured against all odds and grown closer.
There is a big difference between a “sugar baby” and a “gold digger”. Sugar Babies enter into a mutually beneficial relationship with their Sugar Daddys. On the other hand, Gold diggers are parasitic entering into a relationship for their own benefit using deceit, lies and chicanery!
The difference may be that in a "sugar daddy/sugar baby" relationship everyone knows the score. The term "gold digger" implies deception on the woman's part. She pretends to be interested in a romantic relationship but isn't. She does as little as possible to keep the man providing her with gifts and entertainment.
I don't think sugar babies and gold diggers are the same by any means. Generally "gold digger" refers to a girl who is interested in getting into a relationship (typically long term and often aimed toward marriage) with a dude to get access to his wealth. Sugar babies on the other hand are just looking for an income stream or for a lifestyle in exchange for services. I think generally speaking that the sugar baby is fine with the guy having no interest in a longer term relationship because she doesn't want it either. So she'll generally be aware and okay with the dude being married for example. She just wants her rent paid, or some fabulous trips or expensive gifts and is willing to party with the guy and service him sexually on occasion. The gold digger on the other hand is usually aiming for a bigger longer term pay out.
I think they’re actually refreshingly honest. The man acknowledges he could careless about her brains or personality etc he’s there for young hot sex. She’s transparent that she doesn’t find his body attractive or his personality but his bank account is sexy as hell lol I personally need more from my partner not in money form but some are creatures of simple pleasure.
It's prostitution. But I don't believe in victimless crimes. If there's a quid pro quo transaction going on that everybody is happy with, then you will receive no judgment from me. It's not something that I participate in myself. However, when I'm 97 and possibly beyond my peak level of attractiveness, I might just find me a little sugar baby to try to get me hard one last time.
Sugar babies (real ones) are no more prostitutes than housewives are.
You could argue that ALL women are prostitutes, and you would have a point.
@WalterRadio I agree with you. It's all some form of quid pro quo. A very good friend of mine was a sugar baby and she basically said it's prostitution because if he were to break their arrangement whereby he paid the rent and her college tuition that she would simply stopped seeing him. She said she wasn't particularly attracted to him and that she needed him for rent and tuition. Is the sugar baby / sugar daddy relationship technically not considered prostitution due to the fact that actual cash is not officially exchanged? And now that I reread what you wrote, you mention real ones. I'm not sure where my friend would fall in that spectrum.
Your friend sounds like a prostitute who is not being honest with herself.
Real sugar babies are the same as mistresses. The emotional attachment between the couple is real.
One buy youth with their money, one buy money with their youth. Same thing; simple and easy. Actually i really dont like guys who buy me stuff cuz i have a weird personality, however I dont think gold diggers or sugar daddies are really negative things. People always r looking for someone who has something they dont have
Money is the root of all evil you seek only money you will find out what you don't want to know Judas betrayed jesus for 30 peices of Silver there would be 13 apostles if money was not the root of evil And also Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon
Thats a common misquote, it actually reads "the LOVE OF money is the root of all evil."
Not from Pink Floyd it isn't Love in a Pink Floyd Song They sing about War Death Drugs Sex Atheism and Government Corruption
Lol, its originally a quote from the Bible.
I'm an atheist I don't believe in the bible because HUSTLER MAGAZINE is my bible
Larry Flynt is my God and my Jesus
Lol, you do you man.
Thanks I already am
You do you too
I think its highly overrated. I've browsed sugar baby forums and these girls go through all your social media, find out if you have a wife, children, they go through their social media as well. It seems not worth it to me no matter the price or the services promised.
I don't see a difference. If there is, it's that sugar babies usually have more than one SD. A gold digger goes to marry for the money. Might trade a rich man for a richer man and cheats on him. SB's keep the fact known that they are not with anyone. I can respect an SB, cuz she's honest about what she's doing compared to a gold-digger who claims she's in love. Of course she's in love. With his money!!!
All the SB's I have ever know are only with one man during the relationship.
Escorts on the other hand may be getting paid by several.
Plenty of escorts call themselves sugar babies who are not.
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