Anonymous(30-35)+1 yI was like this when me and my girlfriend first met, but eventually I changed my mind.
The trouble is that women don't really understand what a guy means when he says that he doesn't want to get married, so while my mind has changed since, I'll explain to you why I thought that way. You probably need to have a chat with him about this because you might be taking it the wrong way.
It had absolutely nothing to do with me not wanting to commit to the woman, which is what most women take it to mean. They think that if he doesn't want to get married it's because he wants to keep the relationship casual.
I think that women are raised to think differently about marriage. Many young girls dream of the day they get married, their own fairy tale wedding, and then perhaps raising a family and living happily ever after. Young boys aren't. We dream about other things we're gonna do. I don't mean being manwhores and shagging about, just what we're gonna do when we grow up.
Then we get older, and as teens perhaps, we do start to think about marriage and we have those romantic ideas, not as much as girls do but a little bit. But then we see people getting divorced all over the place, the majority of divorces being initiated by women. Perhaps we come from broken homes ourselves. We wonder why people make such a big deal over how marriage creates stability and makes people work on their relationships, when we see this all over the place.
We turn on the TV. We see how husbands are portrayed in TV shows, movies etc. Most often they're portrayed as emasculated, bumbling idiots under the thumbs of their wives. I suspect that this is deliberate actually, this portrayal, but I won't go into that right now. We see men like this in real life too, the kinds of guys who whenever they plan to do anything say that they "need to ask the boss first". That's off-putting too.
All of these things contribute to a man's views on marriage. We begin to see it as a meaningless thing, just a piece of paper and a ring. People take their vows, they vow to be together "until death so us part" and all that, and then many of them just end up divorcing because they can't be bothered. That ring has no magical powers, what makes the two people stay together is down to them, not marriage. And if they really are right for each other, why would they need that ring? If they're right for each other they're gonna stay together regardless, and if they're not right for each other and they marry they're gonna divorce anyway.
That was my perspective back then. Women, because they tend to have more romantic, idealised views on marriage having been raised that way, don't see it that way at all. And there's the disconnect.43 Reply
Opinion Owner+1 y@katjmj
I'd say that many of my views changed over time as I've matured. We have children and I think that changed the way I looked at everything in a big way. They all have my last name, however she doesn't yet. I couldn't ask for a better partner, or a better mother of my children, and both she and her family have mentioned marriage so all of that made me decide that we should.
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+1 yThe tension I assume is there because you've just seen a gap between what the two of you want. You want to get married he doesn't. So I think you should go but take the trip as an opportunity to chat and see where the compromise night be. Is it a deal breaker for you if he won't ever marry you? Is it a no never for him or a not until I'm 30? (If I might add in here that most men feel they loose out from getting married, girls tend to see marriage as a gain for them). Would be worth talking more broadly about men in general and what they loose when they get married versus what women see they gain. This might not be about you two, more a state of the marriage institution
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+1 yWell, I guess it really depends if you want marriage or a friends with benefits relationship because unless you have that piece of paper you can get screwed, and not talking sex here. You will have nothing better than a Friends with Benefits relationship. If you are ok with shacking up with someone more power to you, but that might mean getting nothing when he dies. If you want to be made honest then this is not the guy for you. I wouldn't even bother trying to get him to change his mind. Then he would always feel he got forced into marriage. That would not be good either as far as a relationship goes.
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670 opinions shared on Relationships topic. I think it is pretty normal to meet one's boyfriend's family unless you come from a country where that means the relationship could lead to marriage. If he doesn't believe in marriage does he believe in long term life partners? You might want to see what he's thinking. If he is as you as you are he might really not know. Men tend to settle into long term relationships in the late 20s early 30s.
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1.3K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Your Steady Eddy may Not be Ready for marriage currently but Currently.. He does Want you to Meet his parents. One Never Knows how it Goes.. Hang in there, he Care. xxoo
01 Reply856 opinions shared on Relationships topic. Tell him that’s what wives do.
05 ReplyI personally wouldn’t want to be with him, since I dream of a marriage and if my partner can’t give me such an important moment to my life, he is not worth wasting my time.
I mean, you put a lot of effort in loving someone why can’t he do that? I think that you should try an convince. You only live once12 ReplyCan somebody please explain to me why when women have faught so long and hard to destroy the family unit and reduce marriage to a basic contract and make it clear that marriage is something to do for the party, is that this is all they talk about and how they are so wounded that a man doesn't want to get married.
You've got the society you created and wanted and demanded why is it something that upsets you, are you now in the brave equal world the only one to have an opinion or are you saying that you want to be an equal as long as he does what you want.
You got the society you wanted so revel in it.12 Reply- +1 y
Well why do you need marriage, when there is so much against but anyway, women have faught and successfully destroyed the family unit such that marriage is no more than women having a day to celebrate but then justifying divorce because they don't want the work of marriage. Why then when any same man can see that's the case would he even think of entering into such a one sided contract called marriage.
As I've said you got what you want d are you now saying you didn't want that all along
Assuming he is similar age? He might think 21 is too young for that kind of commitment. A lot of young people say NEVER and mean Not Right Now. How long have y'all been dating and is marriage your goal in dating this guy? If so, leave now before your heart gets anymore engaged. If not, then just date him and have fun. Why not meet his people? Could be you come to understand his aversion to marriage
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+1 yMarriage has nothing to do with love.
It won't make his love any more real or any more permanent, it won't change anything but your bank accounts and your tax status. If you look at the statistics, marriage is actually more likely to ruin your relationship than make it better. More than half of all marriages end in divorce and 90% of those divorces happen within the first seven years.
If you love somebody, love 'em. If you want to be with somebody, be with 'em. If you want to have a wedding-themed party and dance and cut a cake and take photos and wear a ring, then you can do all that without a marriage certificate.
Actually getting "married," officially, is pretty old fashioned and no longer relevant to anything.
But it used to be a somewhat romantic idea, so you females just can't fucking get over it, you're like pitbulls with a toy in your mouth, somebody can chop your fucking head off and you'll still be biting down on that fucking toy.30 Reply
+1 yIt's a funny thing, this.
I don't like the legal side of marriage. It's chains. The term 'ball and chain' is absolutely accurate. It changes so much and ruins so much more these days.
But there's always that side of me that wishes, as a singer, that I could sing to her as a surprise. Conspire with her people to pretend like I stood her up at the altar, with some mysteriously covered something behind her, then break into song as I walk up to the altar and uncover the surprise (relates to the song I would choose). Film the whole thing. Create that memory.
But despite my every effort, I can't get past "the baggage" part of it.
For what it's worth, in my opinion, this is something that should be discussed very early on, to levelset expectations on both sides; this, children, jobs, etc. Hard conversations to have, but necessary to avoid awkward situations like this at the last minute.00 Reply- 3.1K opinions shared on Relationships topic.
+1 yIf you trust him, then I'd go, and I'd see what his world was like and ask lots of questions.
There is nothing wrong with listening, understanding... and then stating what you expect and need... and see if there is compromise or adjustment. His statement of never married may be because of the misery he saw at home with married parents, and he doesn't want that.
Or he isn't interested in one person, or whatever. So I'd talk about it. Do you have to go... no.
Key point... you trust him and respect and value yourself. already... there is a big disconnect in perceived values and life.00 Reply
+1 yWithout trying to be rude, I am tired of the marriage shit. Seriously. And that is not geared towards you. I am just speaking generally. I don't get it. I really don't. A lot of women will meet a guy who has all the qualities she is looking for... but god forbid, if he doesn't want to get married, it's an instant deal breaker. That's foolish logic in my opinion.
You can still live together, raise a family together and have a very healthy relationship without marriage. I know people who are married and get divorced shortly after. I know people who are in long term relationships (not married) and have been with their partners for 10+ years.
If a guy is a good guy, he is loyal, doesn't cheat, has a great job and brings out the best in you... why does it matter if he doesn't want to get married or not? It shouldn't be a deal breaker. Most women get mad, because all they want is that extravagant wedding and a ring.00 ReplyMy boyfriend knows Im terrified of marriage and settling down but he's met my entire clan and I've met his.
There's nothing wrong with meeting his family. If anything, sounds to me that you mean enough for him to be introduced and integrated to his personal circle. You get to know what kind of person he is with them and what kind of people he grew up around. THEN you decide whether he's worth all the trouble or not.214 Reply- +1 y
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@katjmj Why are you so terrified of marriage and settling down?
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@RLovesD7792 commitment
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@Cocacolaaddict you're not wrong there
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@katjmj Why is commitment such a bad thing to you?
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@RLovesD7792 it's not a bad thing per se. Perhaps more scary than bad because it entails permanence and taking responsibility for someone (in the context of relationships), and I don't think I'm in the proper condition or mindset to sign up for that. In short, I'm neither ready nor in a rush to change what I have now in my present relationship. Is that a bad thing?
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@katjmj if you're not in the right mindset then you're not in the right mindset but you don't have to take responsibility for someone else they're a grown individual capable of taking care of themselves and there's nothing wrong with permanence it's actually a good thing not a bad thing. Lots of people want somebody they can live their lives with and grow old together with. Unless you're the type who wants what they can't have which most women nowadays seem to be
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@katjmj and there's nothing wrong with people wanting to live on their own either, but at some point you'll want to settle down with somebody as the years go on
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@katjmj I didn't say you had to settle down right now all I'm saying is don't close the door to that possibility leave it open for in the future when you're ready that's all I'm saying. Since you already said you weren't in a right place or state of mind (right mindset) at the time
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I'm sure he would understand that if you tell him. Just be honest with him that's all you can do. If he loves you he'll accept that. Just do him a favor though don't cheat on him because that's the worst thing you could do is be with other guys or date other guys. I'm sure if he loves you he'll take the marriage concept off the table and not bring it up but please don't be with other guys for his sake
+1 yGirl, does he know you want to be married? If he does and still says he doesn't want to get married... you gotta find out why he doesn't want to before you go. It may be a bad childhood or bad previous relationship. If he doesn't want to commit with vows and you do... your fundamental needs won't be met by this guy.
00 Reply379 opinions shared on Relationships topic. This is completely unfair of him. He needs to explain why he wants you to meet his family if he doesn't want to marry you. This is sure to get your hopes up, or theirs, or both. He also needs to tell you what you show say if they ask if you might marry some day. If you tell the truth, you are totally humiliated. This is setting you up for disaster.
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+1 yIf you feel marriage is important you should tell him that. But like maybe he just isn't religious and don't see marriage as much more than a promise. It might not mean that he won't be with you till the end, just that he don't see the point in making it an official deal.
00 Reply662 opinions shared on Relationships topic. If you think it's not going to work, you probably shouldn't be going. It will be more of a messy breakup.
12 ReplyWhy does your boyfriend not want to marry?
Is it the grotesquely unfair marriage/divorce/child support laws?61 Reply
+1 yYou can have an exclusive, long term relationship, live together, and raise a family/kids together without marriage. All legal marriage is, is a way for women and the courts to abuse and steal from men. It makes perfect sense if a guy doesn't want to get married.
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+1 yThere's nothing in wrong in meeting his family members and it could be a new turning point in your relationship, and as far as marriage is concerned, you should get to know what your guy's long term plans are if he wants to remain unmarried for life because you won't.
00 ReplyWell, then you have to decide if it's worth sticking with a guy who just told you he doesn't want marriage, ever
I don't WANT marriage but, I'm going to do it out of spite, because i don't want my kids to be bastards. Even though I don't want kids either, but as an only child and male I HAVE to have kids
Women will NEVER, EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR understand this00 Reply4.6K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Tell him you want to get married 1 day so have fun visiting your family by yourself and don’t go
20 Reply6.7K opinions shared on Relationships topic. He's a smart man.
you let him be. If marriage is so essential for you, then you break up with him.40 Reply370 opinions shared on Relationships topic. If his intentions dont match yours then its best to go your separate ways
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+1 yMarriage does not mean happiness. Known many couples who never got married. Yet still stayed together for 40+ years. Most even have kids they raised together.
00 Reply4.2K opinions shared on Relationships topic. If you would rather have a wedding in your life, than this man in your life, then your choice is clear.
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+1 yTake him at his word. Odds are he'll get married but just not to you. He doesn't want marriage now and he means it but someday he'll meet a woman he can't live without. That sounds harsh but it is the reality.
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+1 yPeople change their minds all the time. It's the whole entire purpose of dating.
10 Reply Is it I only see this in the short term or I will never get married but am happy to settle down , have kids just don't believe in marriage scenario
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+1 yThis is simple. Do YOU ever want to get married? If you do, you're just wasting time and hanging out. Would you accept a commitment without a piece of paper. If you won't, you're wasting time.
00 Reply 3.1K opinions shared on Relationships topic. If he wants a life partnership without marriage is that a huge problem with you? A lot of people are fine with lifelong relationships with another person and not marriage.
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i suggest you don't.
+1 yLots of people of this generation are letting go of the idea of marriage. Many of us see it as a liability, a gamble. And guess what? Gambling half your shit is a terrible idea. Especially once you consider the odds
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If you consider the idea of divorcing someone before getting married to them, then it’s a clear sign you’re not supposed to be together in the first place. It’s like going into a relationship thinking of a plan B in case you break up. Caution is great - there’s pre-nups for that, but don’t make caution an excuse, it’s very transparent and you can see the commitment issues right through it.
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I disagree. The institution of marriage means more to religious people. It was necessary in the iron age when pregnancy was harder to avoid and when the social norm was for women to belong to her father until he "gives her away" to her husband. Women were considered property for a long time, and now we're simply evolving past that. I can't think of one good reason for 2 people to get married unless it somehow makes themselves feel better - but that's all it is. A legally binding contract that makes two people feel like their relationship is somehow more legitimate than it otherwise would have been. You can say it makes someone look less serious, but that's your opinion and not a fact. I think in the future marriage will likely not exist because it's just not necessary for common people anymore
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You see marriage as a legal piece of paper. People who are in love see it as a beautiful way of celebrating their commitment to each other. Religion has nothing to do with it, atheists get married every day. Nor has feminism. Feminism means having equal rights as men. And one of those rights is the right to get married. You seem like one of those guys who shouts feminism whenever it’s convenient for him. I bet you don’t pay on dates, you don’t open doors, you don’t pull chairs, you don’t take coats, you don’t carry bags or give small tokens of affection often. And don’t see the point in marriage. All for “feminism”! I bet you’re not as vocal when it comes to your female coworkers being paid less than you or any other problem that feminism isn’t really about.
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Is really about*
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@panther008 I hear the divorce rate in the US is ~50% so it's a good guess some here may have grown up in one parent houses, perhaps having been through an acrimonious divorce, relative low budget upbringing, and the biased decisions of the legal system. I'd imagine it puts a dampener on the idea of marriage.
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@madgoat Thank you for letting me see things from this perspective. You are most likely right. I grew up in a family where I was taught that when something breaks, you mend it, you don’t throw it away; that fights happen and they’re not a reason to quit on your loved ones; and my parents are quite old and they come from a different era - their two friends got divorced amicably, no one took anyone’s money; the ones that didn’t get divorced have lived happily for 40+ years and they keep telling me that internet not existing and work days being shorter back then kept their marriages alive - they took a genuine interest and entertained each other, they talked extensively, if you were tempted to break up you didn’t do it knowing that your next date is just one tinder swipe away, so you tried to work on it. I’m just slightly disappointed at the seeming lack of commitment of nowadays society.
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There's really no reason to insult a stranger on the internet just because they don't see marriage the same way as you. Is making assumptions about my character useful or necessary in some way? I don't ever shout feminism, and I hold doors for both sexes of all ages, and give tokens of affection to again, all ages and sexes - not just the person I'm dating. I never said it was purely religious, just that marriage is more important to people who still subscribe to monotheistic spirituality. Based off how you've treated me so far I could make some assumptions of my own about your character, but it would be neither relevant nor necessary
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You can make all the assumptions you want. Holding the door for people of all ages and sexes is frankly a bit weird - it’s slightly peculiar if say, you’re going into your office building and two absolutely random guys your age walk beside you and you open the door but instead of walking in you let them go while holding the door for them. And yes, you did use the feminism card by saying that women used to be treated as a man’s property so therefore marriage was relevant. Which isn’t even the truth. In many ancient cultures women were not in any way considered the man’s property and they were even fighting next to men (Vikings, Spartans, Scythians, sarmatians, lombards etc). And also, there used to be some exceptionally effective contraceptive methods in the past, in at least a couple cultures - Silphium for example, which was used to extinction by the romans md Greeks
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I’m not trying to offend you in any way but you did refer to your very own personal opinion as “lots o people” and “most of us”, when in fact even nowadays the % of people who don’t want to marry is still in the minority.
You’re also clearly focusing only on the worst outcome of a marriage - an ugly divorce, and you’re trying to prove that marriage is redundant but you’re not giving me any compelling evidence towards that. Studies have shown that unmarried men live shorter lives. Other studies, like the happiness study that assessed the happiness levels of hundreds of men of different background all throughout their lives concluded that the major factor for one’s happiness is the quality of their relationships - mostly with their family (wives, children, grandchildren) and close friends. I’m not saying a marriage is a guarantee for a happy life, nope. Or that marriages are compulsory and for everyone. But a legal contract is a good thing. Most people back off extremely easily because hey, the next guy or girl is one tinder swipe away, so why should I work on my current relationship when it’s so hard. It’s much easier and non messy to just tell your girlfriend or boyfriend goodbye and neither will work on improving themselves if quitting is zero fuss. No one should stay in a failed marriage, but most people who don’t even want to try it end up going from flower to flower till they die. I can tell you (and provide proof) of 100 great 40+ years long marriages. If you can provide proof of 100 great bf/gf relationships that lasted that long I’ll throw my hat off to you. - +1 y
So if a woman is walking behind you you'll let the door swing shut because she has the same genitalia as you? That's not normal, that's rude. Men hold the door for me all the time and I don't find it strange or peculiar. My parents by the way have been married 35 years. My Godparents even longer. Those are the 2 long marriages I'm aware of. My 35 year old friend has been dating his girlfriend since they were 15, and have no intentions of getting married - that might tell someone like you that their commitment isn't as legitimate as my parents, but anyone who actually knows them has no doubt whatsoever in the strength of their relationship. I've seen just as many divorces as long term breakups, the difference between the two is how hard the split affected the families. If I would have gotten married every time I fell in love, I would have gotten 3 divorces already. I'm glad I was wiser than that. And don't worry, I'm not offended by the insults of internet strangers, that's just part of being online. And also, from now on when I hold the door open for a guy, I'll say "I'm not gay." Just so they don't feel weird about it. Thanks for opening my eyes about how odd being kind is to the same sex
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If you fell in love hard enough to get married 3 times by age 29 you haven’t really fallen in love. You don’t marry everyone you meet and like :) The opening a door issue seems to have hit you hard since you had zero logical arguments for anything else. No, I don’t hold the door open so 5 other women my age with no disabilities could go in. I swing the door open, I go in, and it’s more than enough time for someone who’s right behind you to get in too. If that person can’t manage that, then they’re way too far and you just look like a retard who keeps the door open for one straight minute. I don’t know what fairytale candyland you live in. Sounds nice
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Lol you should count how many times you used a strawman fallacy. I never I said i hold the door open for 5 people for a minute straight. Nor did I use the word "most" of us. I said many of us. If you actually read what I write you won't look foolish by putting words in my mouth. And no, I'm not vocal about women making less money than me at the same job because that has literally never happened at any of my jobs, ever. Maybe you should take a break from the internet, because your trollish nature is showing in every comment, and there's really no reason to get emotional over someone disagreeing with your views - it's pretty childish.
Anonymous(30-35)+1 yDon't go if that's a deal breaker for you. If you're okay with no marriage in your future, do it and build the bond you both agree to be aiming for.
10 ReplyFirst go with him and maybe something good will happen in the future, you don't know but trust me, go and it will be just fine.
00 Reply817 opinions shared on Relationships topic. then is he the guy u plan to be with if both of you have different goals?
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+1 yHow long have you been together? How come this is the first you hear of something so important to your future?
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+1 yIf don't want to marry you there is no relationship with him. If u want only fun u can continue
10 Reply2.5K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Well if he won't marry you then you 2 must work something out
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+1 yLoving someone and having a family with someone was a thing way before marriage
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+1 ythen why are you wasting your time for on a relationship you feel is a deadend
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+1 yDecide whether marriage is important to you and then proceed accordingly.
00 Reply I have a similar problem, she is a divorce Muslim and I am a Catholic. But it is the give and tske, and how much
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 ySo clearly all you want is marriage and not him as a person...
30 ReplyYou should talk to him about it that you want to have marriage in future
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+1 yDon't waste your time in a relationship that there's no chance of commitment..
00 ReplySmart guy. Look up divorce court and you'll know why he doesn't want to marry.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yExplain to him the getting married is important to you.
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+1 yIs marriage really a necessity?
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+1 yHow long have you been together?
00 Reply Tell him your feelings about it.
00 ReplyIf he is not serious, get rid of him
11 ReplyWho mentioned the idea of marriage?
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+1 yTell him he is being unfair and don't go.
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+1 ySo what's the confusion?
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+1 ywhat do YOU want?
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Fear can be an enemy or a friend. In this case-I think it's a friend. Don't settle for someone who won't for someone who won't make your dreams come true-or at least to his best ability.
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you need to decide what you want for your future. don't make the same stupid mistakes many girls around your age make.
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no problem. i hope things work out for you. i've never been in a relationship-but i've noticed that the future is never really talked about before dating.
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thank you.
may be he want to only enjoy.
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+1 y🥊 😴
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