I refuse to believe this. It's basically a lose lose situation for women. Yes, a women can embrace her single hood and have a good life in the end no one wants or chooses at least most women to be alos. This is a statistics I read recently. I doubt all married women are not happy, also some men are happy when single because they have commitment issues..
Thoughts? Do you agree or no.
Married men tend to be more spoiled and get sex and attention more often than single men, so of course they are the happiest.
Single women have less responsibilities than married. That's the only real argument on that end.
But, I believe this info is based on an ATUS time use survey rather than asking people how they actually feel? Interestingly, I can only find sources quoting a book that supposedly quoted the survey, but no one seems to be quoting what the actual survey looked at or said... They aren't even mentioning the title of the survey making it impossible to verify the information. That seems incredibly strange... No real citations anywhere. I just spent awhile looking so I could read it myself.
This reminds me of the time a student made up a "fact" and posted on wikipedia as a joke. A "reputable" major media outlet picked it up and reported on it. Then, others started quoting that source and spreading it as if it were fact. But, there was never any truth to it. It was "self verifying" in a circular way and only considered valid due to who was stating it... When the student tried to stop it all because it had gone too far, everyone was furious. But, as he said, "Isn't it their job to verify the original source and cite it?" No one is doing that in this case. Everyone is citing other media outlets but no original source is visible anywhere.
I was pretty sure married women with children were ranked as happier than single women in some surveys. It just depends on what woman you ask. Women who don't want children would be happier without them. Women who wanted children and don't have them would be less happy. Women who want children and have them are happier than women who don't want children and have them. I always wanted kids, and I was miserable without them. They've made life worth living.
Kids keep you company, are entertaining, and make great friends if raised right. They are very fulfilling.
It depends because you can find a married man who's not happy at all and also a single woman who's not happy but lonely and longing to be loved. I'll just say that many single women out there are very lonely but don't want to show and hence pretend they are happy.
I’ve met several unmarried women who are miserable, but our elites make it increasingly difficult to have happy households today. The rise of helicopter parenting, having to schedule “play dates,” being at planned extracurricular activities, is not just damaging to children but a huge burden on parents. Kids used to run free of supervision outdoors. Of course there were women staying at home all over the neighborhoods. They could socialize with each other. If a pack of kids got into trouble somewhere there was probably an adult nearby to intervene. Compare this to today’s neighborhoods. Who is at home? Almost everyone (except in elite families) works. Also, a lot of women out earn their husbands now because of affirmative action, ESG, the feminization of the education system, and resultant stagnation of mens wages since the 1970s. Many of these women feel extremely dissatisfied with an inversion of the provider role due to millennia of human evolution, so find themselves unhappy in a marriage. Finally, the loss of exclusively male spaces and fraternal orders (often by leftist lawfare), the feminization of men due to chemical contamination of the food supply, widespread addictions to internet porn and video games, lax discipline, and men raised without fathers has led to the rise of the man child. Women married to man children are understandably bound to be frustrated. Why have our elites (may they be cleared out) done this to us? Because they wanted a larger work force to reduce the cost of labor and wanted to destabilize kinship and community networks that serve as nodes of resistance to state and corporate power.
Wow I agree 💯 with all you said. I'm certainly no Feminist. Some women get divorced and have to pay alimony.
*** Most women initiate a divorce maybe because of a man child**** Men like the MGTOW crew blame women for their insecurities and challenges.
The system as you say, the environment all come into play.
I believe most women are sometimes happier when single because we're not being manipulated, Gas lighted and lied to.
There are some lucky couples who have a solid foundation of Friendship, Commpability, Communication and Respect for eachother. They see one another as an EQUAL
I think these are challenging times for both men and women. I cited a lot of problems women face here. Young men really are affected by the rise of a sort of polygamy facilitated by dating apps: the data are solid and indicate that the most attractive men on the hook-up apps get to play the field of a large portion of women who have no interest in less attractive men, at least until if they want to settle down. This is partially responsible for the massive rise in men in their twenties who have never had a romantic relationship. If it wasn’t for the reduced testosterone levels and distractions like porn and videogames this would result in outright violence. My bone to pick with MGTOW is that despite all the unfair circumstances they point to, the worst response to this is to be bitter toward women and swear off any hope of finding a good match and to try to get young men with their whole lives ahead of them to do the same.
The reality is that the current crop of elites play demographic groups against each other, making some groups clients and others enemies of the regime. This assures infighting and social discord that distracts attention from what the elites are doing, which is transferring wealth from most people to themselves massively and to the managerial class to a lesser degree. The globalist elites are little more than sophisticated pirates and mobsters.
As for myself, I was an unusual man in that I filed for divorce from an emotionally abusive woman. It was my first relationship and a long one, and took me way too long to break it off. I got reamed by the court and lost almost everything to alimony, attorney fees, etc. My industry, like all industries, decided it had too many white males, especially in my specific roll, so I was laid off multiple times and my resume was ruined. I’m an entrepreneur now though I was ill prepared for it, which is a nice way to say I have been working for free until very recently but might hit a home run after another lean year or two. Anyway, I worked hard for several years to avoid becoming bitter and to reconcile myself to reduced prospects and possibly never retiring. I refused to date anyone or even have a fling with a woman until I sorted this out. Once I was ready,’I managed to meet a wonderful woman and we have the sort of healthy relationship you describe. I’ve had money and I’ve had true love. Forced to choose, I would pick love without hesitation.
Okay, this is a super tough question to answer. I was married at 20 and divorced at 42.
I like being married honestly, and nobody fought hard to make that marriage work than I did. You just have to believe me on that.
Now that I have been living alone for 5 years and single for 3 years... honestly my personally life has never been more drama free and liberating. I am happier than ever. But... I have everything I ever wanted in life, and I am all but guaranteed to have all that I need for the rest of my life.
So yes, I am happier than ever, I have everything I ever wanted... but someone to share it all with. So yes, I am very happy being single, happier than I ever was married... but nothing would make me happier than being married to the right the person, but I never will be married to the wrong person, and even if I do make that mistake, again... it will not last long.
@Paul09 good question. In today's world... I mean, I only spoke about marriage because it was in the question. I myself fully believe you can have love outside of marriage... and that love can be just as if not stronger than any love found within a marriage.
So for me, I have guaranteed money and medical for life. I want to travel and do things with someone special... but at some age if she is willing to want to do those things with me... then marriage would also give her greater financial stability and reduce her need to work less and increase her ability to travel more.
@wolfcat87. It's called positive or negative collation. Work more, make more, less time to enjoy life and freedom.
Work less, less money, more freedom, happier life.
So it's about finding the right work life and personal life... for me there was no balance for 20 plus years... so. at this piont in my life... if marriage would help her figure the right balance... then and only then would I consider it, with a prenuptial of course.
That may be the case with you, but in the study married men were seen as more capable of commitment and responsibility at work and were promoted more and paid more.
In my case, we've been together 17 years. We have great work life balances.
Single people have to work harder because they are poorer... they can't enjoy much because they are poor as well. Being wealthier does not equal working more.
People who want prenupts should just not get married. It goes directly against what marriage is. Sharing everything and two becoming one.
@wolfcat87 I would agree with on all of this 17 years into my 22 year marriage and for you sure maybe you will always feel that way. But after one divorce, can't afford to have another cheating bitch take me for a ride.
I have built my own wealth on my own.
Duh... married men are more cable of commitment, they are married. You neededa study to tell you that?
In my experience it's women that get all twisted up inside their heads over commitment. 90% of them can't commit to date or phone call.
Hmm, sounds like a lot of anger, pain, and bitterness there. You're really not ready for another relationship.
Considering most women have been married at some point, 90% doesn't add up.
Married men and women get paid more at work, so work places see both as more committed. Yes, it benefits everyone to see that is a study.
@wolfcat87 Hummmm... sound like you are making assumptions about something you know nothing about... judge much?
Thanks for judging me, when I was not judging you... but now I think you might be toxic. You would definitely be required to sign the prenup or get to packing. I have 100,000 of thousands in assets, that I earned without a woman, but I am more than willing to share with a woman.
But you probably do not know how it feels to work your whole life and have 50% of stolen from you buy a cheating, manipulative and generally mental ill person. And then have a judge and your own Lawery tell you that you are 100% correct. She did cheat, she did steal money, and she probably does have mental issues... but the law protects her and there is nothing for me to do but pay her to go away.
Yup, she cheated on me numerous times and walked away with 800,000 in assets after breaking ever promise and vow under god that she swore to me. That may lady will never happen again, and you are 100% I would never have a relationship with or ever be ready to be in one with someone like you.
But there are plenty of real self-made and self-sufficient women in the world that would want to protect themselve from damages as much as any man. Only poor people do not understand that, because they have never had to build something from nothing and really become someone.
Hundreds of thousands... hahaha. My portfolio is a million dollars. You wouldn't even get your foot in the door Mister Defensive. If my husbands and I divorced amicably, we'd be happy to still share with each other and take care of each other. That's what happens when people aren't angry and bitter... So, you still speak as if you are.
If you earned it while married, then you didn't earn it without a woman. If you're married, how is she stealing unless you're acting as if you aren't actually married? Why would a spouse not be entitled to share everything earned during a marriage? If that irritates you, then you aren't the marrying kind. A real marriage is about sharing everything. If you were an angry scrooge the whole time, then I can't blame her for looking out for herself just like you were. It sounds like it's all about "number one", right?
Taking grudges into the next relationship from the last one is a major red flag that clearly means you aren't ready for another one. If you're angry that a partner who spent decades married to you split everything with you, again that indicates that there are some major issues with whether you can handle a relationship. Ranting about how horrible she was and how she wronged you is also sounding angry and bitter. It's not about judging, it's about pointing out the obvious of what your statements sound like.
I don't need someone like you to want to be in a relationship with me. It's so weird that you needed to repeat that. Like I said, I've been married for a very long time. We would never be angry about sharing everything if we split. I could never want to be with someone who would not want to look out for me and still see me as family if we split. That would be conditional love and make me doubt they ever actually knew what love was. I would never get a prenup even with the assets I have, because that's not what marriage is about. Anyone I'm with would understand that.
You sound so ignorant assuming it's because I'm poor and not because I have a healthier mindset towards my love interests than you do... I can't even feel bad for you with this kind of behavior.
@wolfcat87 So obviously saying i would never marry a person like without a prenup... is not the same as saying i would want to be married to you.
I don't give a shit about you husband or kids... because I don't have any desire to be in the same room with toxic manipulative people... they are like the true scum of the earth to me.
But it was fun watching you trigger on me. When one is trying to prove a piont... best to pull the trigger and then watch someone like you spin like a top.
And that's the piont. You right getting all wound in full put attack mode... making assumptions about me, accusing me of things I could even have done... and if I did you could even know about... I mean your making my argument for.
You got two kids and millions of dollars and look. how you treated me here. You got a man by the balls because he "Could be" still in mind set it's cheaper to keep her.
You tell me @katebfun do think her husband is happier in marriage or outside it?
I mean @wolfcat87 here seems like a real ball of joy, right?
Imagine not even listening to what you say and then calling other people manipulative and toxic for still having a good marriage and pointing out your own odd behavior. So, defensive, angry, bitter, selfish, bad memory, hypocritical, allergic to criticism and reacts like a narcissist, etc. In order to be manipulative, I'd have to want something from you. I don't. Get your head on straight buddy.
"You would definitely be required to sign the prenup or get to packing."
"and you are 100% I would never have a relationship with or ever be ready to be in one with someone like you."
My family was mentioned before you wrote these things. And, you wrote them anyways as if I would be interested. So, I corrected you. One of us is happily married, and one of us is ALONE and sad. It's obvious why we are each where we are in life... Sounds like karma for bad behavior on your end. Good for her getting out.
"I don't give a shit about you husband or kids"
You didn't a shit about your own either. Clearly. And, I pointed that out.
"You tell me @katebfun do think her husband is happier in marriage or outside it?"
Another contradiction. You don't give a shit about things you bring up... Funny. Clearly you do. Also, BOTH of my husbands are happy. If you want to talk to them instead of speculate, let me know. They can speak for themselves because they are still here. Unlike yours.
I said, "Hmm, sounds like a lot of anger, pain, and bitterness there. You're really not ready for another relationship" and you went off the deep end. That's one incredibly fragile ego over there when a person can't state something so simple based on what you've actually said here without you going off the deep end. 100% a walking red flag. You just began to wave a bunch more after that statement was made. If I posted what I wrote and your reaction word for word, the vast majority of people would agree that your reaction was abnormally bad and excessive. You need therapy for whatever is going on with you. There's a lot of projection going on. Becoming triggered is what your response to that one sentence looks like.
You began crying about feeling "judged" while assuming that I must not have money if I don't agree with you. That was both a hypocritical judgement and dumb assumption to make. You were wrong.
"Hummmm... sound like you are making assumptions about something you know nothing about... judge much?
Thanks for judging me, when I was not judging you... but now I think you might be toxic...
But you probably do not know how it feels to work your whole life and have 50% of stolen from you"
"But there are plenty of real self-made and self-sufficient women in the world that would want to protect themselve from damages as much as any man. Only poor people do not understand that, because they have never had to build something from nothing and really become someone. "
"making assumptions about me, accusing me of things I could even have done... and if I did you could even know about..."
You made a lot of judgements and assumptions based on nothing and were wrong. Right after whining about someone making judgements based off of what I actually saw you write. Which, ironically you proved in that post by crying about your ex more.
"50% of stolen from you buy a cheating, manipulative and generally mental ill person. And then have a judge and your own Lawery tell you that you are 100% correct. She did cheat, she did steal money, and she probably does have mental issues... but the law protects her and there is nothing for me to do but pay her to go away.
Yup, she cheated on me numerous times and walked away with 800,000 in assets after breaking ever promise and vow under god that she swore to me. That may lady will never happen again, and you are 100% I would never have a relationship with or ever be ready to be in one with someone like you."
What part of your rants aren't angry, bitter, and full of pain?
I treated you like a person I have been having a conversation with. and certainly no worse than you've responded. Look in a mirror and reread your own responses after you got wound up and began crying. You've got a lot of internal stuff to work on, which brings me back to what I said about you not being ready to be in a relationship.
Also, it's really sad that you have to desperately hope my partners don't love me to feel better about how much your life sucks. But, as the earlier facts I quoted state, married men overall are happier, healthier, and wealthier. I ask my kids and partners regularly for feedback on what I can do better, because I love them. I would not make the mistakes you did, and neither would they. We would take care of each other even if we did split. There would be no crying about them taking my stuff or me taking theirs because it would still be shared. We aren't selfish, and we don't react the way you do to criticism. Criticism is necessary to improve in life, and you appear allergic to it. Such a ball of joy you are leading by example with your behavior here and with your ex...
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Well, I think most people preferred to be HAPPILY partnered, but most of them would rather be single than to be in an abusive/exploitative relationship.
The projection is off the scale. Women tend to commit suicide when they are not socially accepted. What saves most women is family. Men tend to commit suicide due to failed relationships (i. e. divorce/loss of child custody) and loss of employment when they have a family to provide for. Married men are stress and depressed. Unmarried women are stressed and depressed. Women file 70-80% of all divorce fillings, thus have major commitment issues. Single men are happy because that's their natural state before they take on the troubles/burdens of other people.
I was happy in my marriage.
I hope I will be happy after it too.
Who is happy when depends on specific person...
But we all need to belong one way or another. So it could be a marriage, relationship, dating or hookups. I don't think it depends on the gender.
absolutly opposite in this age, happiest mans are single ones while the happiest woman is debatable since i do believe no woman can be trully happy.
oh i'm not talking about my relatives i don't consider any of them woman, womans i'm referingisneveractually happy cuz oncethey get something they wanted they want something else laterwhy do you think almost every divorce is attempted by the wife? don't start with abuse or such shit there can't be ''that'' much cases of abuse especially considering most husbands nowadays are a bunch of pussy wiped wimps and doormats, the kind of guys that will ask before kissing the girls or hesitates when their girl tells them to smack their asses in bed and apoligizes even if they end up doing it.
Yea as in the majority of happy women I would believe it's from single and married but I do also believe single women eventually get bored and lose happiness until they find themselves in a relationship as well, I'm not saying all tho cause there's women out there that are genuinely happy single their whole life.
I agree about men and women are a lot happier when they are together under a real sacred marriage, they were created to complete each other, some do want to be single but the majority prefer to be married but ofc like mentioned earlier, under a real happy marriage!
I've read a study that claims that however I failed to read where they concluded that all married women are unhappy or that men couldn't be happy when single.
What study are you refering too?
And where does it say all married women are unhappy and men can't be happy single? Because I don't read that anywhere.
Also those are articles - not statistics.
In terms of relationships in general, I don't think there's any doubt that women are typically much more satisfied with their relationships than most men, because of the current environment.
We don't know for certain.
There are the happiest single women, the happiest married women, the happiest single men and the happiest married men (and I doubt this one is common), the happiest single transgender, the happiest married transgender.
The question is - which are you?
Single women are the most miserable demographic based on objective measures like the rate of prescriptions for psychiatric medication instead of self-reporting. Chelsea Handler is a good example of this in that she desperately claims to be happy while admitting she starts every morning with vodka and xanax.
Being single slowly drives women crazy. Men do just fine single. Men are equipped mentally to do all the toughest, most dangerous, and otherwise disagreeable jobs; this also equips us to be alone. Women are told they are entitled, special, unique, etc., so being alone doesn't compute.
If you look at statistics, the unhappiest demographic of people in the US are women in their thirties without children or a husband.. So I would agree with you.
And by statistics, I Mean non politically biased, non feminist sources.
No, the happiest people are the ones in happy relationships.
I'd like to have a true partner, but after getting out of a nearly 10-year relationship, I'm quite enjoying the simplicity of single life, as much as it is "single" at any given time.
I don’t believe this too.
married guys are not happiest.
single women can be.
to me, those seem like the 2 unhappiest people ever but likely try to hide it and pretend they're doing great
No, there are chemicals that are released in our bodies that occur by interacting with other and the activities that go along with that.
I am a very happy single man at almost 70 and have been single 35 years, my ex-wife and my girl friend come round for sex and food how much better can life be, , , , ,
m this is not how it works... lol
Some married couples are happiest and some singles are very happy
In the end they will be unhappy. Because Hell won;t be any fun.
In think that's too much of a generalization.
I think it’s the other way round.
Nope
Then why do all women don't stay single?
Oh hell no!.
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