Why don’t people see that women keep their feminine value after menopause?

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Your internal stability peaks after bleeding stops and the body consolidates your blood. You get sharper and wiser. Clarity deepens and you become the anchor of the group. Happy aging ladies. x

MrOracle · Accepted Answer

This isn't intended to be mean, nor is it directed specifically at you - it's directed at all women and if it seems harsh, it's because I'm trying to break through the societal lies you've been told your whole lives.

The people who is supposed to value your femininity post-menopause are your husband and your children. You were never meant to be single and shopping for men post-menopause.

What is the SINGLE LARGEST FACTOR in attraction for men? (Hint: there is a global industry around this factor that is all aimed around this that is estimated to be worth $650-700B annually.) The answer, of course, is YOUTH, and the entire beauty and "self-care" industry is ultimately based on women trying to look younger, because whether they want to admit it or not, YOUTH is what men have always valued the most. ALWAYS. And always will.

Why is this? It's because youth and fertility are directly connected. When is women's fertility at the highest (meaning: most likely to get pregnant and least likely to have complications)? The answer is: late teens to early 20s. Don't believe me?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/95G1hngbxxM

Did you know that virtually ALL men, of any age, find women in their early 20s the most attractive?

The women's age that men find most attractive.

Evolutionary biology has hard-wired men's brains to be most attracted (i. e., to assign the highest value) to women at the beginning of their peak fertility. It shouldn't be difficult to understand WHY this is true - men with this attraction are the men MOST likely to reproduce, and men without this attraction are the least likely to reproduce.

Feminism (which has fully taken over western society since the 1970s) has been teaching women for generations that none of this matters - that women should not take relationships or children seriously in their late teens and early 20s, and that they should focus on their educations and their careers instead, and most women completely squander the value and the leverage that they have at this age to create a solid relationship that will serve them for the rest of their lives because they are told NOT to prioritize those things - at best, that's something they can worry about "sometime much later."

Average Social (Relationship) Market Value, by age and sex

What they never mention - because it would be inconvenient to this narrative - is that women while women have tremendous value on the relationship marketplace in their late teens and 20s - especially their early 20s - once they cross 30 years old, that high value that they've "always had" (since puberty) drops below men's value at the same age, and never recovers. Meaning that up until 30 (on average), women's entire adult lives have been lived with FAR more relationship market value than men, but the situation reverses itself at around age 30 (on average).

And so today's women have NO IDEA, and of course, largely refuse to believe, that their relationship value has changed compared to what it was in her 20s - despite the fact that her RESULTS trying to date clearly show her that they have, in fact, changed, and not for the better.

Women's value is extremely front-loaded, because it's tied to fertility. The reason men want a relationship with a woman is to create a family and a legacy. Women who can't provide a family and legacy are simply worth far less to men, even if men don't realize they are thinking that way. It's biological instinct, and even for a man who has rationally decided not to have children, it doesn't make this instinct go away.

The thing is: women ACTUALLY know this is true. It's the reason they are SO focused on their looks (i. e., trying to look like they did at 20). It's the reason why 40 year old women glare and scowl at hot 20-year-old women. It's the reason why the vast majority of models, pop stars, and sex workers are in their late teens and 20s.

ammar12343 · Accepted Answer

Cognition starts to decline as you approach your late twenties alongside fertility. Our endocrine systems is what dictates how masculine or feminine we are. Estradiol declines in women and testosterone declines with men as we age.

As I start to get older, I realize my advantages and disadvantages. Then I try my best leverage accordingly. I don’t want to build my network and life on values that are declining.

For example, I used to do some amateur mma in my early twenties. I was also in the military out of high school. I literally could not imagine doing all the shit I had to do today that I did back then. If I continued that lifestyle, I’ll just gradually decline as age catches up to me. Took up cycling because endurance is something that actually increases with age (surprisingly).

I’d hate to build all of my value on shit made for younger men and just be that older guy trying to keep up.

It’s okay to be older 🤷🏻‍♂️if you feel younger you can certainly surround yourself with more energetic and like minded people. Plenty of women in their 40s and 50s that are beautiful and pleasant, but let’s not pretend they’re at their physical prime you know lol. Same goes for men. Age is a thing, and it’s not a bad thing.

LEETSBEREAL · Accepted Answer

I think feminine value is tied to being able to have kids because that is the thing that's makes a woman a woman. Just like having a period only a woman can have one. Biologically and everything is biologically viewed so when you reach the age where you can't reproduce you in the eyes of the stupid (cough) sorry society it's at that stage you have lost feminine value.

Nikki1989 · Accepted Answer

Many people do see that women keep their value, beauty, depth, and power after menopause. The issue isn’t women losing value; it’s society clinging to outdated ideas about what “value” even means, and some people are too clueless to see that.

Investigator · Answer

The long and short of it, men and women are valued what they do, not who they are. You can say "male and female gender roles" don't matter all you want. "We should be more progressive and independent". "People can whatever they want". All good...in theory. But in a time of crisis, such as a the possibility of an incoming Hantavirus Pandemic (god I hope not), people revert to tribalism and "what works" real fast. There's no time for "women's rights" or "freedom of movement", when people are dying every other week. It's uncomfortable to admit, but it's true: those are "privileges", that can be revoked under the right circumstances. Survival, continuing to exist, matters far more than personal preference, and is what determines whether or not a person's given actions are "good" or "bad".

Men and women who don't fulfill their purpose―be it mothers, protectors, or whatever―become a liability. Do you know what happens to liabilities? They get excised from the community and die off. We need to stop babying people and remember that the natural world surrounds us, and it wants us DEAD. Every element of modernity is designed to keep death at bay; when people are bored and complacent in their AC-cooled living quarters, even if we're talking about a one-bedroom apartment with no spouse or children, that's an improvement vs dying of pneumonia.

RavVid · Answer

I think mileage varies. Some older women are still quite feminine but others are decidedly less so. (Based on my perception of their age).

I hear what you are saying about femininity would vary over the cycle and I think it does. Strippers tips peak when they are fertile and hit a minimum around menstruation. Evolution would have it that women should most want sex when they come into the fertile phase and that is borne out in various experiments. There seems to subtle cues given to men.

Estrogen and progesterone might be low during the off cycle but it is not to say their their is none. It is also not to say an ingrained feminine habit is dropped during the off cycle.

Older women can be just as vain as young women on their appearance. Not so long ago an 80 yo was flirting with me.

AgentG111 · Answer

Definitely can't say they are less feminine, but depending on the female there are a LOT of changes depending on there medical history and how and when that menopause kicked in.

How did pre menopause treat them and are they able to get through without meds and was it started early due to complications or the need for hysterectomy? Or other issues with their body.

Definitely takes communication and understanding and knowledge of what each is going through and what's happening with (HER) body. Absolutely doesn't change their value.

RingOfFire · Answer

Nature doesn't care about fairness or equality. It's all about procreation because that is the most important survival function of any species. Womens' fertility starts a rapid decline after about age 30 to 35. They are the sole source of producing babies to carry on the species. So nature designed men to be more attracted to women who are in their peak fertile years starting in about the 10 years prior to that age as a survival mechanism. That's the reason we are here today to talk about it.

"Feminine" is a subjective term. What does it mean? You could argue that it means fertile. If so, then by this standard yes, they lose their femininity with their fertility. If you define it otherwise than it can be anything you want to believe it is.

soe11 · Answer

To be honest personally I don't know much about it.  Regarding my girlfriend's mum always keep uptodate her femininity, such as body figure maintaining, healthy living, sexiest revealing outfits without compromising as well as sex regularly on Time.

sage2021 · Answer

I've never had that impression from people and I really don't know who has given you that idea. That didn't happen to me. 🤷🏼‍♀️

thegreenyogi · Answer

Because there's a lot of misconception around menopause.

PeachyPie93 · Answer

People who matter will see your value as person. People who don't were not worth it anyway.. That's just life, you always have to weed through the shitty people.

MrChinaski · Answer

I can't speak for all men, but I've never heard any man ever say they devalue women after menopause. It is true that men value youth in general, though. I don't think the two are related closely.

jshm2 · Answer

LOL, don't be silly.  The issue is around medical care. There isn't a lot of medical work done around menopause and there is a lot of catching up being done.

NathanDavis · Answer

the women in my life, are good and great women... for the most part, so I don't have this kind of mindset myself...

Billlewis · Answer

Because we live in a society in which we're only concerned about three things: ethnicity, gender and age.

bowenw · Answer

I've never thought they were any less feminine. I hope it's not a common misconception that women lose their feminine value after menopause.

Lliam · Answer

They aren't less feminine. They certainly look the same as they did before.  They aren't even necessarily less sexual. Some women have high libidos after menopause.

Anonymous · Answer

Because few of those women that complain about this ever had any real value before menopause. They just lost the ONE thing that made them marketable.

In this life you're either a good person, or you're not. And if you're not. When you age out, even the vultures will not want to tolerate you.

Now if you hear nothing else from this post, hear this. A GOOD woman NEVER loses value.

Anonymous · Answer

If a woman has spent her life wisely... married a good man and raised a family... she will be valued after menopause and for the rest of her life.

fantasticass · Answer

You are with the wrong man. I'm 64 post menopause, and keep my feminity for the select few ✌️

DonaldDarko · Answer

They're no longer fertile so why have sex with them? Only fertile young women have value as mates.

genericname85 · Answer

Cause they can't give birth to children anymore. Which if you're a guy and you want children is pretty much a deal breaker.

LiamJHayden · Answer

I'm congenitally sterile and tend to date older women, so pre or post does not matter to me.

AngryCarl3 · Answer

With all due respect, they don't. After menopause women's estrogen levels drop dramatically, causing them to lose feminine features. Don't blame me, it's not my system.

Anonymous · Answer

It depends entirely on what you mean by feminine value.. Is she fertile post menopause? No. Does that detract from her value as a human? Also no.

TonyMetal___86 · Answer

Does this means a better cherry lady 😄

beefcakebradybatson · Answer

Sure, but I've never been into old broads !!!

slatyb · Answer

My wife is still very feminine and sexy.

Sevenpointfive · Answer

feminine value? what the shit is that?

CubaPirate · Answer

I for one certainly do just ask my partner

dudeinohio · Answer

I understand this

Godihateyou · Answer

Lol. Pure cope

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