How Dare You? God Is Not Cruel Nor Evil?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Introduction:

Many secular people in particalur athiests falsely accuse a loving, righteous and holy God of being evil or uncaring when absolutely nothing can be further from the beauty of truth of who He really is.

They push this false narrative mainly do to the fact that God ordered the military of ancient Isreal in the old testement to wipe out completely certain wicked and horrible nations, the earth flood in Noah's time that killed everyone except 8 people, our world being overflowing with wickedness, pain, agony, hunger, violence, war, diseases and natural calamities without God doing nothing to stop such horrors we face on a daily.

I'm writing this MyTake on behalf of My Heaveanly Father, friend and God (YAH) to put a end to the lies that are perpetuated about him by wicked and sinful men and women that are clueless about him and his attritubes.

If God Was In Fact Evil.

Imagine if Satan became God with absolute power and sovereignty over all the universe. Think about that.

Satan, a being at the pinnacle of being so vile and disgusting that will put all the world's most ever wicked men combined to utter shame.

The Devil being God will not offer any freedom at all. Will show no mercy and kindness, no love, no justice and will not give nothing at all wheather you are good or bad.

Friends, if God in fact showed the attributes above I mentioned then He'll be evil. However, the one and true God is perfectly righteous, without justice, good, kind and merciful to both the just and wicked.

Psalm 86:15:

But You, O Lord, are a God full of compassion, and gracious,
Longsuffering and abundant in mercy and truth.

Psalm 145:9:

The Lord is good to all,
And His tender mercies are over all His works.

Psalm 34:18:

The Lord is near to those who have a broken heart,
And saves such as have a contrite spirit.

Psalm 147:3:

He heals the brokenhearted
And binds up their wounds.

1 John 1:9:

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We Are The Real Cruel And Evil Ones!

We destroy ourselves and others. We deceive each other, unwilling to forgive one another, prideful and egotistical against one another, fight each other, ungrateful to each other, use each other for selfish reasons, we murder each other, steal from each other, sell deadly drugs to each other, slander each other behind our backs, betray one another, being rude and spiteful to one another, hating one another, being full of envy against one another, yet God is the suppose "Evil and Cruel" one?

The Goodness And Blessings Of A Good God.

God shows his general love and kindness to all men. He gives us daily sun light to keep our planet inhabitble and sends rain in due season to water our crops so that we can have foods to eat.

God can easily move the sun further away from the earth and we all will freeze to death, or move it closer and we all fry to death. Yet in his might and kindness He keeps the sun just at the right distance for us to live on planet earth.

(Lord Jesus speaking)

Matthew 5:43-45:

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

(Lord Jesus speaking)

John 10:10:

The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

James 1:17:

Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning.

1 Timothy 6:17:

Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy.

Who Is The Real Evil And Cruel One Again? Oh Yeah, Humans!

God blesses us tremendously with goods, yet we take it for granted and are ungrateful to the point we throw away good foods while kids, elderly and sick suffer hunger around the world.

We have all kinds of resources to help really desperate and needy people really fast via trains and jetliners and do nothing to come together to end world hunger once and for all. Rather instead we focus on being greedy and selfish, fight wars and still manage to blame God for our woes. Sickening!

Just in the USA alone we waste a inexcusable amount of 165 billion Dollars in food annually. Try to calculate how much we have wasted in food just in the past decade alone world wide. Staggering!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/08/22/how-food-actually-gets-wasted-in-the-united-states/?utm_term=.4c83e0281c8e

Conclusion:

If God The Father was cruel He really wouldn't send his Christ to die for our sins to redeem us for salvation. He just would send us all to hell. In fact God can literally kill you right now and put you in hell and ain't a darn thing you or any angel or regular human being can do about it.

If God didn't send his Christ it will not make him cruel anyways because we are sinners before a holy and perfect God and deserve his wrath in hell, yet in his mercy decided to provide salvation to those in Christ.

God doesn't owes anything, but gives us everything because He is good.

John 3:16-17:

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

2 Peter 3:1-9

Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder, that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying,

“Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.

But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

Ezekiel 18:23:

Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live?

PS: Humans are the real wicked ones. Bunch of backstabbers, liars, selfish, bitter, envious and hateful. Not My heavenly glorious Father.😊

Deuteronomy 32:3-4:

For I proclaim the name of the Lord:
Ascribe greatness to our God.
He is the Rock, His work is perfect;
For all His ways are justice,
A God of truth and without injustice;
Righteous and upright is He.💚

[Anonymous]

Sorry, but this is all anecdotal. There is NO proof. Having a mind that questions everything, I cannot see how an almighty being can exist for all time, then suddenly decide to make the earth and people.

It is reasonable to believe that time started with the big bang, although it is only a theory. As we learn more about the universe and how it all started, we will slowly disprove the existence of any god and so all religions will be proved wrong.

[Dale1982]

Must be fuckin fun knowing you

[Opinion Owner]

@Dale1982 LOL! My boyfriend thinks so! :-)

[JDavid25]

Right cause a ball of energy, and space just came outta nowhere, and decided to blast out life, and give us reason, feelings, etc.. Sounds really reasonable.. LOL..

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@JDavid25: Better yet go create a explosion in a field somewhere and see all the "Order" that comes from it lol.. These people are stupid and wicked.

[Dale1982]

The universe is also expanding so what's it expanding into? They don't have a Scooby

[lEat70sBush]

@Dale1982 String theory says it's expanding into hyperspace (that has always existed so was never created itself). But go ahead and stay retarded in the 1st century since you're comfortable with your imaginary friend.

[Dale1982]

@lEat70sBush yeah theory being the key word numbnut

[lEat70sBush]

@Dale1982 As if a theory is useless as much as silly beliefs are. Gravity is still a theory, yet if we didn't use Newton's 300yo formulas and laws of motion we'd never hit the moon when we aimed for it, let alone Pluto that's 200x farther away. Relativity is a theory. But if we didn't use it the GPS system would be useless within hours of satellite launch. Quantum Mechanics is a theory, but without it lasers, computers, servers, broadband ethernet, and the internet wouldn't exist, and we'd still be using slowpoke and power-hog vacuum tubes in our calculators. Few things annoy a scientist more than saying something is "just a theory" when to get to that stage it's been tested and held up to scrutiny several if not hundreds of times. You're thinking of an untested hypothesis, and even that is better than religion, superstition, or other idiotic belief blindly assumed to be fact because at least that can be tested.

[Dale1982]

@lEat70sBush god is personification. Nowhere in the bible did it say god was an old guy with a white beard in the clouds. It's says things like god is in us and all around us and through the son is the father known. Most cunts are just too daft to get what it means. If you personify everything in a text or a story it becomes ridiculous. Ever noticed how close good and god are? There's plenty of scientist believe god exists too. From what I know they're trying to find the kernel between faith and science. Everything in science is a theory, that's the scientific method and it always allows room for editing and expansion. There's even anomilies out there that defy gravity. Electricity and gravity are part of the same principle of electrostatic attraction yet there's masses which don't attract other masses no matter how large they are. A law in science is only a law if it stands up to testing 100% of the time and is the results are predictable. Nothing does though

[Opinion Owner]

Thank you for MHO.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Iol I didn't give it to you. The system did.

[Opinion Owner]

Well, thanks anyway. It only gave me MHO because you let it! LOL!

[ladsin]

We know what compassionate people do, and god does not act like a compassionate person. One example is that you either have a god who sends child rapists, or a god that closes the door and says "when you're done raping that child in gonna punish you." If I were to do that people would rightly think that I was a monster.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Huh? Where did God say rape a child?

[ladsin]

You obviously didn't bother to read the comment. I said "either" god sends child rapists (because he has some utility in it) or he closes the door behind them.

Many people will say that god allows suffering because god has a plan for it. I. e., god sends a child rapist, because in turn it will lead that child to him. This is an abhorrent ideology.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

People that say that are retards.

[ladsin]

How do? What other option is there, is god not in control of the universe? Does god not have the power to prevent child rapists if he wanted to?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Of couse God has power to stop everything. But consider even though that monster his destroying a child be raping them. God who is all powerful can turn evil and mean it for good in ways we will never know.

God knows all, sees all. We don't even know what a relative is doing 10 feet around the corner in the house much less what is going on in the whole world.

[ladsin]

So you agree, god plans for child rape, because he wants something good to come from it. That's absolutely disgusting.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I didn't say God wants a child to be rape. God doesn't encourage sin. I said He can use what was meant for evil and turn it for good. Ex. Joespth and his brothers in the old testament.

[ladsin]

Look. Either god can prevent child rape and doesn't, which is monstrous, or he can't prevent child rape.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Look the Bible is clear the ruler of this world is Satan. This world is full of sin and pain.

God promises to bring it to a end one day. Until then we all will suffer.

[ladsin]

Again. "God closes the door on the child rapist and says, "one day you're going to be punished."

Would you believe I was moral if I did that?

[JDavid25]

God let's human make their choices.. He interacts with people who learn to trust him, and let him guide them.. If God were to punish of try to stop a child rapist, then he would try to stop all that he see as evil.. Including what you and I do.. You see things view yo limited viewpoint, and you keep puttin yo view on God.. He came down to let himself get embarrassingly, and painfully killed bruh.. Remember that.. LOL.. Also, that's what he put humans here for.. To help each other.. Humans don't help each other... Many times..

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@JDavid25: "You see things view yo limited viewpoint, and you keep puttin yo view on God.."

Great point brother.🖒

[ladsin]

You can make excuses for why god does not act with compassion or act like a moral agent, but it's still despicable. It's like trying to defend the child rapist.

[JDavid25]

You can keep seeing God from yo lenses, but that doesn't make what I'm sayin wrong.. If you can't see the compassion, and love of God, then that's on you.. I ain't loosin no sleep at night.. Like I said, if he were to stop one sin he would have to stop them all.. Meaning we would all be dead.. LOL.. A Child rapist is as evil to God as a simple lie.. And no it's not like trynna defend a child rapist..

[JDavid25]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy.. Of course.. :)

[ladsin]

@JDavid25 cool. You ta a good thing that you don't worry about billions of people suffering for an eternity for a finite set of actions. That's very Christian of you 😂

[JDavid25]

LOL.. No, it's not that.. I'm talkin about yo decision not to believe.. People choose hell, because when they don't choose to believe and follow Jesus, they choose to stay away from God, and close to the god of this world.. Satan..

[ladsin]

@JDavid25 how can you choose what to believe? Can you choose to believe that you're not on gag? That's just silly, belief isn't a choice

[JDavid25]

Belief is an actions that takes choice.. Just like you can choose to believe what I say or not.. You either follow Jesus or you do not.. Or should I say that faith in God is a choice.. You choose not to follow Jesus, because it goes against yo biases, and beliefs.. It's called free will..

[ladsin]

@JDavid25 you have some strange epistemology, if you believe in god and Jesus, then god obviously exists. If you believe god is good then he is.

Well then... more power to you. If you honestly believe that's how it works I can't help you.

[JDavid25]

Most people who say that belief is not a choice are Atheist.. So, why would I go by that.. Belief is simply an accepted or considered to be true.. I personal belief in God doesn't make him real.. It's the fact that he is real that makes him real.. LOL.. But you mentioned hell, and I told you that according to my beliefs, it's you who chooses not to have faith in Jesus, and believe that he is the Lord and Savior of the world.. Therefore when you don't choose to be with him, you choose to go against God just like the Devil..

[ladsin]

@JDavid25 I don't. Watch. I choose not to go to hell, I also can't believe in a god because I don't see sufficient evidence to warrant belief. So am I going to hell?

[JDavid25]

You choose when you don't choose to come to Jesus.. Somebody is not gonna let you into their house when you don't even acknowledge they exist.. And there is evidence out there.. Presupposition stops you from believing or seein the evidence for what it is.. And I don't know if you goin to hell bruh.. I can't make that judgement.. I would have to know what's gonna happen down the road for you.. That's between you and God.. LOL..

[ladsin]

@JDavid25 I don't presuppose the non existence of god. I believe in god for nearly two decades, was a children's pastor for a few years, and was training to go to seminary when I was no longer able to believe.

[JDavid25]

Well the question to that would be did you ever really truly form yo own relationship with God for yourself, or were you just a guy who grew up in a Christian household, struggled with beliefs for years, and finally hit the dead end and left?

[ladsin]

@JDavid25 no

[ladsin]

Yes I believed I had a relationship, no I didn't have the family stuff and whatever else you're talking about

[JDavid25]

You only 23 and you said you believed in God for nearly 2 decades which is most of yo life.. So, maybe from a child you just believed.. And you say you believed you had a relationship but lost faith.. Obviously it was never that strong for you loose faith.. Since if you had such a relationship with God you would have asked the Holy Spirit to help yo unbelief..

[ladsin]

@JDavid25 right. Because people preach when they don't actually believe all the time 😂
Dude gtfo you're so dishonest and silly it's ridiculous.

[JDavid25]

Uuum yeah people do it all the time.. LOL.. What are you sayin.. Now you just reaching.. LOL.. And nothin I said was dishonest..

[ladsin]

@JDavid25 yes it is. The book literally states that 34 is the ten, and yet you're here trying to stretch the text to mean all sorts of silly things.

[JDavid25]

No it doesn't.. All it says is that " And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments".. That's not a clear indication at all..
" Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke. So be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning to Mount Sinai, and present yourself to Me there on the top of the mountain.".. But that's a clear indication.. LOL.. XD.. Try again..

[ladsin]

@JDavid25 wow, I'm done with you. Adios

[JDavid25]

You never started dude.. LOL..

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@JDavid25: Lol I have drag him so much every time he gets in a deabte with me about God.

And its your turn. And you dragged him too and He got pissed that He saw He was losing and quit.

Still love you @ladsin lol😎

[JDavid25]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy.. Hahahaha.. Yeah true enough.. B)

[razor97]

so who made lust and genitals? satan must of did it, this means satan interfered with god's work, which didn't happen

[razor97]

is god who made the apple and put in the garden, he didn't even gave them the consciousness to make a choice, not even to animals. that's why he drowned them. clumsy deity

[RedDareGood]

I can understand the need to defend your belief system that has been forced upon the young minds. I personally don't believe in god. But hear me out first before you get all insulting like and furious in your belly for my comment. Young man, two are the forces most precious to mankind.
The first is Demeter, the Goddess. She is the Earth
Or any name you wish to call her
And she sustains humanity with solid food.
Next came Dionysus, the son of the virgin,
Bringing the counterpart to bread:
Wine and the blessings of life’s flowing juices.
His blood, the blood of the grape,
Lightens the burden of our mortal misery.
Though himself a God,
It is his blood we pour out to offer thanks to the Gods.
And through him, we are blessed
Horus:Was conceived by a virgin mother named Meri, and had a stepfather named Seb (Joseph)
Was born in a cave, his birth announced by an angel, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds
Attended a special rite of passage at the age of twelve and there is no data on the child from the age of 12 to 30
Was baptized in a river at the age of 30, and his baptizer was later beheaded
Had 12 disciples
Performed miracles, exorcized demons, raised someone from the dead, walked on water
Was called “Iusa”, the “ever-becoming son” and the “Holy Child”
Delivered a “Sermon on the Mount”, and his followers recounted his sayings
Was transfigured on the Mount
Was crucified between two thieves, buried for three days in a tomb, and was resurrected
Called “Way”, “the Truth the Light”, “Messiah”, “God’s Anointed Son”, “Son of Man”, “Good Shepherd”, “Lamb of God”, “Word made flesh”, “Word of Truth”, “the KRST” or “Anointed One”
Was “the Fisher” and was associated with the Fish, Lamb and Lion.
Came to fulfill the Law, and was supposed to reign one thousand years. Google it list of similarities is amazing and eye opening I understand the fear of rejecting religion as the ultimate truth is impossible for you but you must understand that atheists my self included and i have gone even further by exploring just after realizing that nothing is true in religion and it has no business in modern society. My mind is my own and i don't fear death and i don't expect a reward for my deeds I go about life reaching out and helping people just because i can it has nothing to do with fear of punishment if do not. In fact i have to thank only my mother for raising me this way. We are in fact fear loving society and religion has contributed a lot to it. And it has got to stop.

[lEat70sBush]

God isn't even real and if he were he'd be a sadistic tyrant that puts Hitler to shame. Your useless bible quotes (that was written by a bunch of mistaken if not deluded goat herders millenia ago) or any other so-called holy book does't mean shit when it comes ot evidence. The real evidence is the daily news on CNN (unless you don't believe what you see and hear even when it's right in front of you). Fuck god /flips a middle finger at the clouds as if he actually existed there. If god existed and wasn't cruel he would make us without sin to begin with instead of being a retard and setting it up to have to sacrifice his son (if he's all powerful why couldnt he do that?). I could literally list 1000 bullet points (if I was bored enough) on how/why god would be either an idiot or asshole if he were real. I just have to laugh at the religious deluded nuts that ignore science and evidence when it contradicts their idiotic outdated (by centuries) beliefs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CWiASiqDdU

[lEat70sBush]

dammit wrong video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CWiASiqDdU

[lEat70sBush]

or not, good grief, was linking to wrong video and then wasn't.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You got it. You'll find out when you die.

[lEat70sBush]

I will no longer exist (there's no such thing as a soul or afterlife; life is a process, once that flame goes it that's it, the end) so won't be around to care. And neither will you. At least you can't be disappointed when you don't exist anymore.

[TheOtakuMaid]

I'm not saying he exists but from a standpoint of reading the Bible. he flooded the earth killing everything. women, children. animals. for a vague enough reason as "wickedness" Hitler gassed the Jews for more reason than that.

the creation of evil
Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"

which is bad enough as is but with omnipotent and omniscience comes being responsible for everyone's actions. as if you have a plan and know everything that will ever happen there is no free will. and therefore no one is responsible for there actions as it was predetermined. he knew before creating Lucifer he would rebel and mess up his plan thereby damning humanity. that was not Lucifers fault as his fate was predetermined otherwise there would be no plan and therefore God would not be all knowing. the God of the Bible is not anyway as the Omni principles are Christian in origin not Jewish and therefore the God of the old testament is not. the God in the old testament can lose Adam in the garden and have to ask where he is. asks questions that he should know. and shows he does not have all power. he is just as flawed as a Roman or Greek God just with more power. giving him the term "Evil" however is flawed. as morality is subjective and changes. so even if he existed I would not consider him "Evil" as evil and good do not exist. its all about perspective.

he is by no means a "Good" person however by modern moral standards. he is worse than Hitler if we etiquette all the actions of the Bible to him, and his followers that of the Nazi's.

however, he is not Real Luckily so such is pointless. however we can tear apart such doctrine before it creates another villain like it has for centuries

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You don't know what you are talking about.

Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"

God does but not always create calamities/Evil. He did indeed created severe famines in the old testament, send severe plagues upon Egypt and burned Sodom and Gomorrah. But it was for a just cause. God punishes wickdness and always will becuase He is a righteous judge.

And just because God knows events before they happen does not make him evil. God grants free will and lets moral begins decide their own fate inculding Lucifer.

Lastly, of course God knew where Adam was. "Were are you" was for Adam to come forth and face the consequences of his actions.

[TheOtakuMaid]

you can't have free choice and yet have God have a plan and be omniscient that's a logical fallacy. and just committing evil enough once and admitting it is enough to take away that omnibenevolence

[TheOtakuMaid]

YOU don't know what you are talking about. as those few calamities are hardly the issue. it's the existence of evil itself which is HIS fault as he is in control of everything. nothing exists that he does not allow

[TheOtakuMaid]

you see yo can't have a scapegoat like Lucifer if he is just a puppet too. he is no more at fault than us. furthermore, Hitler considered the Jews evil. so he gassed them. how is that any different than your God other than calling every living thing even animals which can not sin at the time "wicked" without any actual context on the actions they did other than it pissed him off. he even gave a rainbow saying he would not flood the earth again out of regret. Omniscient beings can not regret. all powerful beings need not even kill to solve the issue they can snap wickedness out of the way. and you can't argue free will when he fucking snipes people gives a demon in the book of Job the ability to kill other people. the entire book goes against free will. even eating the apple. if you can't know what is right and wrong before eating the apple you can't blame a person for eating the apple as they dont even know what the fucking concept of it is

[EmperorOfGAG]

Oh really?

Psalm 137:9

"Happy the one who takes and dashes Your little ones against the rock!"

1 Peter 2:18

"Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh."

Leviticus 25:44-45

"And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have — from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves. Moreover you may buy the children of the strangers who dwell among you, and their families who are with you, which they beget in your land; and they shall become your property."

Exodus 21:20-21

"And if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property."

Genesis 19:8

"See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof."

[Dale1982]

I think people have got the entirely wrong perspective of god. The old man with big white beard is just personification. He's a force of decency and goodness inside all of us. If we nurture that goodness through our thoughts and actions the goodness grows inside of us and empowers us. If we do the opposite gods goodness withers and dies inside and were left as nothing but shells. We have a natural proclivity to do good to others and help instead of hinder, that is god inside you. People sense you've got goodness in you and were all drawn together, people help you, entertain You, want you in their company coz your one of the gang. Evil people are ostracized and spat upon. Evil isn't the presence of anything inside a host it's just absence of goodness just like dark is the absence of light. People judge things harshly without ever knowing what they're judging. God is absolutely there inside of you and all around you, it's the only thing that makes you smile and make friends, bond with the opposite sex and raise your kids. It's what makes you pick up a stranger at the side of the road on a wet night, it's what makes you give to poor hungry person sat on the street. It's what makes you break your back cleaning a house or cutting the grass for you parent or grandparent who's too old to do it themselves. It's love, the total acceptance and protection of another life without the need to be recompensated. That's what god is, light and love

[Dragon_Lord]

if there really was a god as kind and benevolent as you make them out to be then why is there so much suffering in the world outside of our control?

why should we respect a god that has created a world that is so full of cruelty?

What about leukaemia and other forms of cancer? what about all those innocent kids that suffer every year, left to die slow and painful deaths because there is no cure for their illnesses?

If this god has the power to freely move the sun as it sees fit thn why does it let the most innocent of our society suffer?

im sorry, but that doesn't sound very kind and caring to me.

[Ephemera1]

Listen man I get that you love God. We all do. The constant questions about God though are getting annoying ngl. Try to broaden your horizons a little and not shove your beliefs down everyone's throats all the time. Cool Guy.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I'm not forcing anyone to read My questions or MyTakes. They can ignore it.

[HereComesDrTran111]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy
"Better yet go create a explosion in a field somewhere and see all the "Order" that comes from it lol.. These people are stupid and wicked."

Yeah, Order.

From the 4 fundamental forces of nature: Electromagnetism, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force, and Gravity. From these 4 simple rules spring all the marvelous complex structures in the universe.

Hop on YouTube and watch some fractal zooms like the Mandelbrot set to see how much incredible complexity can come from such deceptively simple rules.

Math governs the universe and makes all the rules.

Morality we will get into another time.

[Mahadav]

RASAYS Please Remember Who Created These people YOU call backstabbers liars selfish and hateful? How do you think this creator feels about these people? What do you think this creator thinks about the way YOU speak of the people HE created and LOVEs? I tell you truly, YOU do not comprehend this "GOD" nor yourself. YOU are a creator god incarnated with amnesia... ABRACADABRA you create as you speak. THESE humans you deride ARE YOUR BROTHERS. Did not YOUR scriptures command you to LOVE your brother? YOU create what YOU experience. WE ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THIS ATTITUDE TOWARD THIS BEAUTIFUL PERFECT CREATION. This "GOD" you worship has commanded you to LOVE. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. ... AHA - As YOURSELF. Do YOU LOVE yourself? We LOVE YOU. We are RA. We are GOLDEN> LOVE<3

[Deathraider]

Well let me get this straight. God is the one who came up with right or wrong. He can consider himself right, despite a lot of things. He flooded the world and kill people, Adam and Eve didn't know morality before eating the fruit, Abraham almost killed his son, the fact that he is all knowing and all powerful should allow him to end suffering and evil, even if human cause starvation what about the natural evils, the fact that every bad thing that happens is "God working in mysterious ways". That does raise an eyebrow about who you call a role model.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

We suffer natural disasters because we live in a fallen world. God sometimes sends punishment too other times he lets it happen.

Romans 8:20-22:

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.

And those people that died in the flood were warned and choose to ignore the warning and continue to be evil. Go read the story in Genesis 6

Abraham was a test for his faithfulness and obedience. The angel stopped him right before he was about to do it. God clearly prohibits human sacrifice in the books of law in the old testament.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

The time will come when God will put all suffering to a end.

Revelation 21:1-4:

Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

[Deathraider]

Well, that's still pretty messed up. But as long as god made up morals, he could call himself as moral. Just as a murderer could call in his own moral code as being good.

[Deathraider]

You have two options:
1: What God Says is moral because God is naturally perfectly moral.
2: What God Says is moral simply because he's God, his Universe his rules.

Option 1: how would you know what God says is moral? You wouldn't unless you are using your morals from outside of God to judge whether God's morals are just or not. Which means morals do not exist because of God.

Denying that means you must resort to option 2: If you are simply doing as God says because he is God then you're not actually a moral agent of any kind. You are just a dog that doesn't sit on the couch because somebody told him he's not supposed to sit on the couch.
If you think you're doing as God says because it's moral then resort back to Option 1.

[jacquesvol]

Total number killed by God in the Bible
- Using biblical numbers only: 2,821,364
- With estimates: 25 million

(The table has been updated to include God's killings in the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonical books.):

dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.be/.../...-bible.html

[jacquesvol]

Strange: not one military among the evil and cruel ones shown.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yeah, God did kill lots of people in the Bible even a lot of Isrealites. But God don't kill for fun. He did it becuase they were acting wicked.

[jacquesvol]

Like Onan, killed for handling himself his penis, instead of stomping it in his brother's widow? How wicked!

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I explain that already. Onon disobey his father and a ancient custom to bring a heir to his dead brother and he refused.

[jacquesvol]

Not really a reason to be killed, is it?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Romans 1:18-21:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

God can kill who He feel like. He is God and judge. Period.

[jacquesvol]

You just described a bloody ruthless despot

[jacquesvol]

Do you know Deuteronomy 22:23-24 ?

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

That was a Israel civil law. And I agree with what it says. I agree with everything God's says out of his mouth period.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24:

“If a young woman who is a virgin is betrothed to a husband, and a man finds her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry out in the city, and the man because he humbled his neighbor’s wife; so you shall put away the evil from among you.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I read basically all the books of the law of old testament. And I agree with everything. So don't bother asking me what I think about it.

[jacquesvol]

Thus the rape victim would be stoned.
How nice. And Jesus is quoted saying he didn't come to abolish the law.
Not a book to adore.

[jacquesvol]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Agreeing with the OT means agreeing with murder, kidnapping, child murder, abortion, rape, robbing.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

What the hell man? A man that raped a engaged or married woman was stoned to death. Clearly God didn't approve of such behavior.

If a teenager saw a young single woman in the field and forced himself on her than He had to marry her because He already took her virginity since no wanted a man that was used already sexually.

The penalty was He then had to pay that young woman's father 50 shekels of silver which is a lot of money for what He did.

And a person the commited kidnap was stoned to death. So quit making crap up!!! And God clearly prohibited theft, murder so I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Smh

[jacquesvol]

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there *stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city*, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

Thus the girl was stoned too.

[jacquesvol]

So quit making crap up!!! :)

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

You don't know how to read right? Did you miss the word "Betrothed"? Smh. Obviously the law is saying if didn't at least try to raise her voice for help is because she is consenting to the sexual act which means she is commiting adultery.

[jacquesvol]

So, if nobody hears her or pays attention, she's guilty and merits death. That's blaming the victim.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Dude you are draining me. Lol smh.

Captial punishment could only be done on the account of two or three witnesses that saw a crime be done. Obviously if no one heard her how can she be guilty?

Deuteronomy 19:15:

“One witness shall not rise against a man concerning any iniquity or any sin that he commits; by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established.

[jacquesvol]

That doesn't exclude a rape by those 'witnesses'.

[Deathcore_Rulez_D00d]

Jacques save your breath.

It's obvious that Hispanic-Cool-Guy is a Christian apologist and he is just so blinded by his faith that he can't see how evil and fake his sky daddy and scriptures really are. You can show him all the evidence you want and he still won't believe you.

[sedrftvgyhujik]

If there is a god or goddess or even an all powerful giant spaghetti monster it seems a bit presumptuous to assume they even give a shit about humanity or care what we do.
Billions of habitable planets out there and probly billions of life forms.
The whole universe could even just be one of many simulations in a lab somewhere i mean we can simulate things with increasing complexity if we could simulate a civilization we would be there god they could then potentially simulate one and who's to say where the first in that chain of simulations?

[razor97]

just blame it all on humanity. god never created evil. and god didn't create limited resources. let me guess, humanity did that too. lol he's silly

[Anonymous]

You're right about one thing. The problem is humankind or humanity. We're flawed AF and had always been, we will always fight and kill and destroy each other since the beginning of time. But it does make me wondered, did the Devil or God himself knew or had been aware of how's we turn out? If so, maybe that's why Lucifer refused to bow to humanity in the first place because maybe somehow he knew we were gonna be a whole bunch of disasters and fuck ups. Maybe humanity and humankind are nothing more than a completely and utterly failed experiments that had been long abandoned by their creator that grew tired of having to constantly babysit and clean up after humankind's constant fuck ups. So maybe you're right, humans got what they deserve for how and what they always had been.

[TripleAce]

But we are who we because our creator made us this way... they up there had a choice not to make us the way we are or not...

In addition why do we have to suffer for Adams and eves mistakes... seems a little strange, since we didn't actually do anything...

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

God didn't make us to fight each other, lie to each other and envy each other. We inherited the fallen nature of Adam our first father that's why we all struggle with evil.

[TripleAce]

But we can only be what our creator makes us to be
Our creator put potential for evil in us

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

No way bro. God would never do such a thing.

[TripleAce]

But we are living proof...
I mean we see wicked everyday.. horrible things people do. It surely wasn't the creation that created such a thing...

[TripleAce]

I mean, I hope you're right... but I'm just saying

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Evil is the absent of good and vice versa. Men choose to be wicked. God let it happen, but he will bring to a complete end one day.

[TripleAce]

Looking forward for that day man, the final act revealed...
But lets say if the all mighty one never gave us the ability to be bad just like we simply don't have the ability to grow wings...
I wonder

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

In that case if we couldn't choose to be bad. Then he would've created a preprogmmed robot that can only do good, therefore worship and honor of his wouldn't mean anything since his creation can't choose weather to be good worship and honor him or not be good and rebel.

[TripleAce]

hummm... Yea
That does make sense

Do you think that every human truly 'chooses' what they do and the choices they make or are they a victim to their own internal limitations as a human...

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Did you choose to wipe when you used the bathroom, wash your hands, and eat to day? Or are you victim of own internal limitations as a human?😂😂

You know the answer man.😎

[TripleAce]

Well..
I don't choose to eat, my trillions of microscopic pieces that make up me work in unison to demand food from me.. I just listen
As for wiping and washing your hands that is conditioning. We are reinforced daily since a child to do these things

Choice I mean more by, can you choose to prefer philosophy over public speaking for example... or can we change the fact that when I grow up I get more involved with the bad kids but the other kid over there for some reason has the 'ability' to focus and do better
--> Is that luck of the draw for being born with that particular brain or is that truly his 'choice'?

[Anonymous]

Don't be stupid. Atheists don't believe in god. They don't say god is evil, because that implies god exists.

They say that the god who is written about in the bible, that fictional thing, which doesn't exist, is evil. And they have an excellent case for it, again based on what he says and does in the bible.

And when you see tragedy happen in the world today, famine, disease etc... i don't see any invisible deity waving his hand to make things okay. He's not digging survivors out of the rubble. It's human beings who do that.

Taking the stance that people are evil, is insane. People are good. People are evil. People are complex. But denying all the good they do because you want to give the credit to a voice in your head, is pathetic.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Sure people are good. 👏👏👏

[jacquesvol]

The god imagined in the Bible is cruel and evil.

[jacquesvol]

http://i.imgur.com/t4EQpXS.png

[Deadpool76992]

I don't believe in god. But In my opinion, god doesn't sound evil, he sounds like a drunk, abusive power.

He made you and in his own way you know he loves you, but he still gives you strict rules where if you get out of line, you are going to get seriously hurt, and I feel your VERY bad, he's gonna lock you in the. basement with the other bad kids and turn the fucking heat up

[Machiavelli]

haha my sentiments exactly.

[Waffles731]

Yeah and he still sends people to eternal torment for the only crime of 'not worshipping me'
I'm not even secular, just a Pagan, and that is cruel considering he is omnipotent and could easily take another option, like create a paradise he doesn't reside in or some shit

[Walrus_au]

Let me put it this way. Anyone who has actually read the whole bible, not just the snippits your priest wants you to read, and looked around them, and still claims that the god character is not the most vile, evil, cruel, bigoted and bloodthirsty character ever to exist, either has no idea what those words mean, or is severely delusional.

[Anonymous]

Not evil huh...

https://youtu.be/UeOTfNqis44?t=28shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGWCxBiCt7Y

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

First of all not everyone is God's children like that lady said in the video. And people choose to go to hell.

God made a of escape for them through his Christ, but they insist on loving their sin instead of repenting and coming to Christ to be forgivin.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

John 3:16-21:

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Another thing be careful in calling God evil. God is Spirit and attributing a holy God to that of demonic source will not forgivin ever.

(Lord speaking)

“Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

* Mark 3:28-29

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Read why hell is forever.

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a47442-why-did-god-create-hell-what-is-the-difference-between-hell-the

[WarlandWriter]

Okay so when you blaspheme, you cannot ever be forgiven and will definitely go to hell? Guess I can do whatever I want now because I'm gonna go to hell anyways.

[Opinion Owner]

"People choose to go to hell".
That's logically impossible in the context of your god.
https://i.imgur.com/oXskTbD.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RyDvXhn.jpg

[Opinion Owner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaJgLBoB_Pw
https://youtu.be/5auJ3Dg-zNs?t=15s

[Deathcore_Rulez_D00d]

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[Deathcore_Rulez_D00d]

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