It isn't about truth, it almost never is. It is about what the truth means. It is about the cost of knowing the truth, and knowing that no matter what, you are imperfect and unable to be the center of your universe, and you are dependent on someone else.
If God is real, sin is real. If sin is real, then I am incapable of being good enough on my own. I am can not be good enough on my own, then it isn't about me. If it isn't about me, then my drive to make myself happy is wrong. but it is my life, and I will do what I want. Because the Bible says judge not least you be judged. So it doesn't matter what I do, and it doesn't matter what I believe. You are wrong to tell me I am wrong. and the cycle decays and the lies amass, and man kind falls just a little more. To a fallen world, the truth is a burden, but knowing the truth sets us free.
Okay, your average bible consists of over a thousand pages of what seems like a random drivel to me. And you managed to find two highly questionable scientific facts there. I think a standing ovation is in order. Good job! Now please explain to me the science of populating the earth through incest.
... are you just taking the piss? aside from being total insanity within our modern context, gen 1 and 2 contradict each other!
I really can't be bothered listing the many ludicrous, plainly fallible assertions in the bible, but it is just as silly, no more, no less, than the quran. you sir, are a tedious moron.
Enoch 39:4 There I saw another vision; I saw the habitations and resting places of the saints. There my eyes beheld their habitations with the angels, and their resting places with the holy ones. They were entreating, supplicating, and praying for the sons of men; while righteousness like water flowed before them, and mercy like dew was scattered over the earth. And thus shall it be with them for ever and for ever.
Genesis 5:21-24 21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: 22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
The book of Ennoch was ommitted from the bible but it was found with early Christians, the dead sea scrolls and early Ethiopian Christian and the Ethiopian Jews who decended from the time of Solomon. The Ark of the covenant rests in Ethiopia.
Like I said his book is not in the Bible. God is all powerful and if He wanted to preserve the book of Enoch than He can like the rest of his prophets.
Psalm 12:6-7:
The words of the Lord are pure words, Like silver tried in a furnace of earth, Purified seven times. You shall keep them, O Lord, You shall preserve them from this generation forever.
They have been preserved. I guarantee you that it's been sitting in the Vatican vaults for a thousand years as have all the other lost gospels preached by early Christians. These additional books are from the Septuagint- Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Jesus son of Sirach, Baruch, Letter of Jeremiah (which later became chapter 6 of Baruch in the Vulgate), additions to Daniel (The Prayer of Azarias, the Song of the Three Children, Susanna and Bel and the Dragon), additions to Esther, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees, 1 Esdras, Odes, including the Prayer of Manasseh, the Psalms of Solomon, and Psalm 151. The book of Jubilee and Enoch were preserved in Ethiopia. The Septuagint by Greek Jews and orthodox Christians.
I seriously can careless what they believe. I just put out there sense they complain so such much for a "lack of evidence" or that there isn scientific proof.
And if you had paid attention to my post followed by some reading on your own, you would have realized that you're denigrated the Bible you claim to love.
@JenSCDC: You can't possibly be that stupid can you? Smh. You mean to tell me that bones Lord knows where they got it from and can still be compare DNA that belonged to people that have been dead almost 4,000 plus years to current people in Lebanon?
You are the true definition of a media sheep. Its really pathetic at what straws you will reach to try support your erroneous predisposition of the Bible being fake or whatever.
Believe your lies if you desire or whatever the media feeds your sheeple mind.
@JenSCDC Nowhere in the Bible claims that the Canaanites were completely decimated. According to the Bible, the Israelites were ordered to massacre them but they interbreeded and adapted their lifestyles. Also, in the New Testament, a Canaanite woman begged Jesus to heal her daughter from demon possession.
I'm not saying this as a thiest, I'm just here to refute some points.
You do realize that fumaroles aren't springs, right? They emit hot gas. Also, it was well known among the educated that the Earth was round many centuries before the Bible was written.
In that case, there are springs on Titan and Europa, too. We know that because sometimes NASA sends springs up into space to look at the springs on the other planets. Everything's a spring! Yay!
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There are facts, fantasy, truth and allegory within the Bible. The problem is that people have a hard time discerning which is which. I could say the same for most religious writings. Certainly parts of the Vedas stand up to scientific scrutiny, as does arts of the Koran, the Book of Mormon, The Tao te Ching, Buddhist doctrine, etc etc. That doesn't make the entire thing true, nor does it discredit them, just that some parts have been proven by science to be correct.
Have you really descended to trolling us. Christians and Muslims worship the same God, so when you ridicule the Muslim's God you are just badmouthing your own. Where did you find this garbage anyway? Can you quote the chapter in the bible where the shepherds find their sheep living in underwater springs?
Don't tell me not to have an opinion. Christians and Muslims were both monotheistic religions that had a common route in Judaism. Of course they were all worshipping the same God.
No, because you should know this before making things up. No one can or should take you seriously of you don't put in the work. It's (as you remarked) 5th grade science how the sea and it's gradients are laid out along with its features and navigation was obviously happening long before the Israeli nation seeing as the largest empire, Persia, knew the Earth wasn't flat. π
At some point there has to be a line drawn and that line has a name: Common Knowledge.
You shouldn't need a link for 5th grade science curriculum. And since you're playing Bible scholar I'm going to expect you to know about the time period you're referring to.
Rich people want us to believe in God because if we believe we'll get justice after we're dead we won't demand a fair redistribution of wealth here on Earth. The Queen pretends to be a christian, the Bible says "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the KingdomOf God", if she really beloved that crap she'd give all her money away. I hate religion, religion was invented by the rich and powerful to make us plebs passive, I want to kill every millionaire on the planet and make life fair here in the real world.
The rich are rich because they steal "Surplus Labour" from the proletariat, they force poor people to live in unsafe buildings,79 poor people died because fire proof cladding would've cost Β£24 a square meter, flammable cladding cost Β£22 a square meter,79 poor people died because the rich bastard who owned the building was a greedy bastard. " The rich man is his castle/the poor man at his gate/God made them low and mighty/and ordered their estate". The rich want me to believe it's God's will they were born rich and I was born poor, bollocks, they were just lucky. I'd like to get an RPG and fire it into the board room at the next AGM of The Bilderberg Group. The rich have used religion as a tool of repression for milenia, it's time to wipe religion and those who believe in it off the face of the Earth.
@Lumberman53 wouldn't you like to put the news on and hear some mental patient who's off his meds has shot Kim Kardashian in the face with a hog's leg. I hate that bitch, why was she born with more money than me? If God loves me why did he make the Kardashian rich and happy and my family poor and misseriable? There is no God. The CIA want us to be religious to prop up the current order. We will win and we will kill you all!!!
I like it, but I also feel like there are inaccuracies in the Bible as well. So, it really just depends on what you want to believe in. The accuracies or the inaccuracies.
You know, I can write a whole book by inventing stuff, hypothesizing about plasma weapons for example, yet it will not be a scientific fact in any way. There are no proof in any way of these facts in the bible or any other fiction book. It's like I would say "Plasma weapons require gas" and qualify it as a scientific fact. Even if it's true, it's not a scientific fact. Now please, learn how to actually make scientific facts before spreading your dellusions about your so called "god".
Well for all of that, may I present a mathematical inaccuracy? 1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line ° of thirty cubits did compass it round about. Pi=3.14... Circumference equals Pi times diameter. C=PD C=30 D=10 30=P*10 30/10=P P=3 Pi does not equal 3.
"An alternate proposal is to claim that, while the diameter is the whole diameter of the bowl, the circumference is actually the circumference of the inside of the cauldron. (Why anyone would ever go to the trouble of measuring this way is never explained.) If the outside diameter was "10 cubits", the cauldron was "an hand breadth thick", a handbreadth was 4 inches (actually ca. 2.5-4.0 inches, and presumably even smaller for the shorter Iron Age population), and a cubit was 4 inches (actually ca. 4.0-5.5 inches), then the inside diameter would be about 9.5 cubits." If so: Circumference (C) = 30 cubits ("a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about") Diameter (d) = 9.5 cubits (10 cubits - 2 handbreadths) Thus: Biblical Pi (Ο) = (C/d) = (30 cubits/9.5 cubits) = 3.16 (to three significant figures) If looking for perfect, literal accuracy, this idea fails, as [1] it's still inexact ((30/9.5) - Ο = ca. 0.0163020833, or 0.5% off).
The man explains it well. Just fastward to the 6:50 Mark and listen.
Besides you need to know that there are parreal passges in the Bible. The parreal to 1 Kings 7:23 is 2 Chronicles 4:2 that goes into further detail of molten sea made.
May I also state that the verses are VERY vague. "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth," They could have either meant the spherical earth or the flat Earth. Circle doesn't equal sphere, flat Earthers go with a plate like model. "And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers," Oh so the people knew they lived in a big world. Anyone could've known that. "Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in." Now it could be debated upon what they are referring to, but allow me to show you something: Then God said, βLet there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.β 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:6-8
You can probably find a bunch of predicted scientific knowledge and coincidences in any religious text. Muslims sure like to point things like this out in the quran. How do you explain that?
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It isn't about truth, it almost never is. It is about what the truth means. It is about the cost of knowing the truth, and knowing that no matter what, you are imperfect and unable to be the center of your universe, and you are dependent on someone else.
If God is real, sin is real.
If sin is real, then I am incapable of being good enough on my own.
I am can not be good enough on my own, then it isn't about me.
If it isn't about me, then my drive to make myself happy is wrong.
but it is my life, and I will do what I want. Because the Bible says judge not least you be judged. So it doesn't matter what I do, and it doesn't matter what I believe. You are wrong to tell me I am wrong. and the cycle decays and the lies amass, and man kind falls just a little more. To a fallen world, the truth is a burden, but knowing the truth sets us free.
Just saying though
Alien lifeform is a much more plausible theory towards what we thought were 'gods'
As a man of faith you can't go against islam... that just makes no sense to say one is right and the other is not...
Islam is of the Devil literally and pure garbage. Muhammad himself considered He was demonic possessed.
Watch.
https://youtu.be/FywOhaY-GEA
Okay, your average bible consists of over a thousand pages of what seems like a random drivel to me. And you managed to find two highly questionable scientific facts there. I think a standing ovation is in order. Good job! Now please explain to me the science of populating the earth through incest.
Creation was pure at first. Where you think Eve came from? She came from Adam's own body. And then on on.
And if you think the Bible is garbage then fine with me. I really don't care.
... are you just taking the piss? aside from being total insanity within our modern context, gen 1 and 2 contradict each other!
I really can't be bothered listing the many ludicrous, plainly fallible assertions in the bible, but it is just as silly, no more, no less, than the quran. you sir, are a tedious moron.
Enoch 39:4 There I saw another vision; I saw the habitations and resting places of the saints. There my eyes beheld their habitations with the angels, and their resting places with the holy ones. They were entreating, supplicating, and praying for the sons of men; while righteousness like water flowed before them, and mercy like dew was scattered over the earth. And thus shall it be with them for ever and for ever.
The book of Enoch is not in God's word the Bible.
Genesis 5:21-24
21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Yes, I agree Enoch was a real prophet of God. It mentions him in the book of Jude.
I was just saying the book of Enoch is not in the Bible.
God didn't put his book in his word for a reason.
Just be careful you are not depending on what God didn't promise to preserve.
The book of Ennoch was ommitted from the bible but it was found with early Christians, the dead sea scrolls and early Ethiopian Christian and the Ethiopian Jews who decended from the time of Solomon. The Ark of the covenant rests in Ethiopia.
Like I said his book is not in the Bible. God is all powerful and if He wanted to preserve the book of Enoch than He can like the rest of his prophets.
Psalm 12:6-7:
The words of the Lord are pure words,
Like silver tried in a furnace of earth,
Purified seven times.
You shall keep them, O Lord,
You shall preserve them from this generation forever.
They have been preserved. I guarantee you that it's been sitting in the Vatican vaults for a thousand years as have all the other lost gospels preached by early Christians.
These additional books are from the Septuagint- Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Jesus son of Sirach, Baruch, Letter of Jeremiah (which later became chapter 6 of Baruch in the Vulgate), additions to Daniel (The Prayer of Azarias, the Song of the Three Children, Susanna and Bel and the Dragon), additions to Esther, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, 3 Maccabees, 4 Maccabees, 1 Esdras, Odes, including the Prayer of Manasseh, the Psalms of Solomon, and Psalm 151.
The book of Jubilee and Enoch were preserved in Ethiopia. The Septuagint by Greek Jews and orthodox Christians.
Ok, dude you win. My goodness you hard headed.
Just trying to give you a better understanding of the bible.
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Great job! Ones who don't believe let them believe whatever they want. If you can inbox me.
I seriously can careless what they believe. I just put out there sense they complain so such much for a "lack of evidence" or that there isn scientific proof.
And if you had paid attention to my post followed by some reading on your own, you would have realized that you're denigrated the Bible you claim to love.
@JenSCDC: I have no idea what you're talking about. π
@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Can you please give some opinions about my myTake "Proving Bible through Science"?
Post the link so I can see it.
www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a48070-proving-the-bible-through-science
Oh, there's scientific proof all right: www.nytimes.com/.../...naanites-bible-lebanon.html
#BibleFail
@JenSCDC: You can't possibly be that stupid can you? Smh. You mean to tell me that bones Lord knows where they got it from and can still be compare DNA that belonged to people that have been dead almost 4,000 plus years to current people in Lebanon?
You are the true definition of a media sheep. Its really pathetic at what straws you will reach to try support your erroneous predisposition of the Bible being fake or whatever.
Believe your lies if you desire or whatever the media feeds your sheeple mind.
@JenSCDC Nowhere in the Bible claims that the Canaanites were completely decimated. According to the Bible, the Israelites were ordered to massacre them but they interbreeded and adapted their lifestyles. Also, in the New Testament, a Canaanite woman begged Jesus to heal her daughter from demon possession.
I'm not saying this as a thiest, I'm just here to refute some points.
It's not my fault that you're ignorant of basic science. Maybe you should spend more time learning than idol-worshipping the Bible.
@JenSCDC are you referring to me or him because I'm a nihilist
@afs_99cent Him.
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You do realize that fumaroles aren't springs, right? They emit hot gas. Also, it was well known among the educated that the Earth was round many centuries before the Bible was written.
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure they knew it hanged on nothing too, right?
And springs is used in the context that something is springing upward like a fountain.
In that case, there are springs on Titan and Europa, too. We know that because sometimes NASA sends springs up into space to look at the springs on the other planets. Everything's a spring! Yay!
There are facts, fantasy, truth and allegory within the Bible. The problem is that people have a hard time discerning which is which. I could say the same for most religious writings. Certainly parts of the Vedas stand up to scientific scrutiny, as does arts of the Koran, the Book of Mormon, The Tao te Ching, Buddhist doctrine, etc etc. That doesn't make the entire thing true, nor does it discredit them, just that some parts have been proven by science to be correct.
LOL! Very funny MyTake. Loved it!
Appreciate it. π
He was laughing at you, not with you.
@JenSCDC: I know that. I know He is a athiest. I was being sarcastic.π
Have you really descended to trolling us. Christians and Muslims worship the same God, so when you ridicule the Muslim's God you are just badmouthing your own. Where did you find this garbage anyway? Can you quote the chapter in the bible where the shepherds find their sheep living in underwater springs?
The Muslim god is not the God of the Bible. Not even close. Don't go there. The God of the Bible is the one and only true creator God, period.
Besides, you trolling me. This is My page and Mytake not yours.π
Don't tell me not to have an opinion. Christians and Muslims were both monotheistic religions that had a common route in Judaism. Of course they were all worshipping the same God.
Judaism is fiction, and Islam and Christianity are fan fiction.
Many societies knew the Earth wasn't flat.
There are springs that are on continental shelves which are much closer to the surface of the sea.
Show me a link?
No, because you should know this before making things up. No one can or should take you seriously of you don't put in the work. It's (as you remarked) 5th grade science how the sea and it's gradients are laid out along with its features and navigation was obviously happening long before the Israeli nation seeing as the largest empire, Persia, knew the Earth wasn't flat. π
This isn't esoteric at all.
Its so a "Fact" but you can't provide a link so I can do some honest research on it.π
At some point there has to be a line drawn and that line has a name: Common Knowledge.
You shouldn't need a link for 5th grade science curriculum. And since you're playing Bible scholar I'm going to expect you to know about the time period you're referring to.
Lol you have nothing. Good bye.π
My greatest concern isn't about you.
You're misinforming people and making Christians look ignorant. Having actually studied Christian Apology it's hard to think that you're educated.
I mean God doesn't condone ignorance and you don't know basic Earth Science.
He is an papist, so why should you expect him to understand real matters, when he doesn't even understand Christianity.
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Rich people want us to believe in God because if we believe we'll get justice after we're dead we won't demand a fair redistribution of wealth here on Earth. The Queen pretends to be a christian, the Bible says "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the KingdomOf God", if she really beloved that crap she'd give all her money away. I hate religion, religion was invented by the rich and powerful to make us plebs passive, I want to kill every millionaire on the planet and make life fair here in the real world.
You hate religion, but desire to murder every single millionaire. WOW.
The rich are rich because they steal "Surplus Labour" from the proletariat, they force poor people to live in unsafe buildings,79 poor people died because fire proof cladding would've cost Β£24 a square meter, flammable cladding cost Β£22 a square meter,79 poor people died because the rich bastard who owned the building was a greedy bastard. " The rich man is his castle/the poor man at his gate/God made them low and mighty/and ordered their estate". The rich want me to believe it's God's will they were born rich and I was born poor, bollocks, they were just lucky. I'd like to get an RPG and fire it into the board room at the next AGM of The Bilderberg Group. The rich have used religion as a tool of repression for milenia, it's time to wipe religion and those who believe in it off the face of the Earth.
Here we go again
@Lumberman53 wouldn't you like to put the news on and hear some mental patient who's off his meds has shot Kim Kardashian in the face with a hog's leg. I hate that bitch, why was she born with more money than me? If God loves me why did he make the Kardashian rich and happy and my family poor and misseriable? There is no God. The CIA want us to be religious to prop up the current order. We will win and we will kill you all!!!
I like it, but I also feel like there are inaccuracies in the Bible as well. So, it really just depends on what you want to believe in. The accuracies or the inaccuracies.
Which are inaccuracie? Feel free to share. I'll help you if you need it.
Ah man, you fell off the wagon. And you were doing so well. Such a shame...
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if (god = true) {
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} elseif (god = false) {
start Clapping & get Mocking;
} else {
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You know, I can write a whole book by inventing stuff, hypothesizing about plasma weapons for example, yet it will not be a scientific fact in any way. There are no proof in any way of these facts in the bible or any other fiction book. It's like I would say "Plasma weapons require gas" and qualify it as a scientific fact. Even if it's true, it's not a scientific fact. Now please, learn how to actually make scientific facts before spreading your dellusions about your so called "god".
Well for all of that, may I present a mathematical inaccuracy?
1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line ° of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
Pi=3.14...
Circumference equals Pi times diameter.
C=PD
C=30
D=10
30=P*10
30/10=P
P=3
Pi does not equal 3.
Watch this suppose bible contradictions.
https://youtu.be/-CY-jX9juoQ
Wrong video.
https://youtu.be/-CY-jX9juoQ
Its the right video.
"An alternate proposal is to claim that, while the diameter is the whole diameter of the bowl, the circumference is actually the circumference of the inside of the cauldron. (Why anyone would ever go to the trouble of measuring this way is never explained.)
If the outside diameter was "10 cubits", the cauldron was "an hand breadth thick", a handbreadth was 4 inches (actually ca. 2.5-4.0 inches, and presumably even smaller for the shorter Iron Age population), and a cubit was 4 inches (actually ca. 4.0-5.5 inches), then the inside diameter would be about 9.5 cubits."
If so:
Circumference (C) = 30 cubits ("a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about")
Diameter (d) = 9.5 cubits (10 cubits - 2 handbreadths)
Thus:
Biblical Pi (Ο) = (C/d) = (30 cubits/9.5 cubits) = 3.16 (to three significant figures)
If looking for perfect, literal accuracy, this idea fails, as [1] it's still inexact ((30/9.5) - Ο = ca. 0.0163020833, or 0.5% off).
The man explains it well. Just fastward to the 6:50 Mark and listen.
Besides you need to know that there are parreal passges in the Bible. The parreal to 1 Kings 7:23 is 2 Chronicles 4:2 that goes into further detail of molten sea made.
@6:45
May I also state that the verses are VERY vague. "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,"
They could have either meant the spherical earth or the flat Earth. Circle doesn't equal sphere, flat Earthers go with a plate like model.
"And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,"
Oh so the people knew they lived in a big world. Anyone could've known that.
"Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in."
Now it could be debated upon what they are referring to, but allow me to show you something:
Then God said, βLet there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.β 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. Genesis 1:6-8
This is what they are most likely referring to, something that scientist have found to be very inaccurate.
You can probably find a bunch of predicted scientific knowledge and coincidences in any religious text. Muslims sure like to point things like this out in the quran. How do you explain that?
And let's not forget all the inaccuracies in the bible, or are we just going to say "well god works in mysterious ways LAWL!" skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html