In God we trust is the national motto of America and it is because we are one nation under GOD. Atheism is in opposition to our national crede and that is treason and it is blasphemous and should be punished according to God's word which would mean death or excommunication. I think atheism should be punished with life in prison or the death penalty. I'm a Christian and I think this is the one thing Islam has right. Do you agree?
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Please note that I never implied america or the constitution is christian. This is an anti-atheism post. Not a pro christianity one.
Should there be laws against blasphemy in America?
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Fuck NO, that would make us no better than IRAN or SAUDI ARABIA. Are you joking? Blasphemy is subjective & a hysterical notion, in & of itself. Blasphemy for WHAT? -being 'offensive' to god? HAHAHA -- As if religion & 'god' should off limits from inspection & scrutiny? NO WAY, NO HOW. Religion is largely absurd & the notion that it should be taken seriously enough to kill others over is ridiculous (although ironic in that would be keeping in line with its thousands of years tradition of using religion to justify & kill others & non-believers)
Anyway, there is no room for 'god' in the administration of government, & has no bearing on its functioning. Especially in a diverse, multi-culture modern nation. The mention of 'god' in our creed & pledge of allegiance is largely symbolic & not taken as literal. We don't really "trust in god" now do we? When there's a national emergency & we summon god to help, I'd predict that wouldn't be very effective. god doesn't have a seat in any branch of government (& lucky for us) because history abounds with examples of what happens when you mix religion & the state, which almost universally, without exception, turns out bad for its citizens, as the founders were keenly aware of, & purposely sought to avoid.
Atheists are the last people you need to worry about. They in particular don't assert anything. They don't make any claims. Just by being an atheist, they're not typically 'judging' or refuting religious claims, nor making counter-claims. They quite simply don't believe yours. Atheists just don't want to drink your flavor of koolaid. They simply deny your claim - nothing more, nothing less. It's not blasphemy if they don't want to believe whatever you're putting forth, especially not third or forth-hand myths without any evidence, under the threat of 'eternal damnation' -- I mean, who'd blame them, right?
This is just proof that Modern day American Christians literally just believe in Freedom of religion until it’s a religion other than Christianity 🤦🏽♀️Lmaoo
Christians aren’t oppressed anymore, they’re now the oppressors that’ll fight tooth and nail against other peoples rights all in the name of “religion”
If you actually took account for history you’d also know that the in god we trust thing was only adopted in the US The motto first appeared on U. S. coins in 1864, during the Civil War, when religious sentiment reached a peak.
Ironic. The motto was adopted during a war against states fighting for slavery? Lol, nothings moral about that
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”
In simple words this means the right to religious belief and expression and a guarantee that the government neither prefers religion over non-religion nor favors particular faiths over others.
Christians are actually a very oppressed group. Just not in America or any other western country. Go to countries like Egypt, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia or any other Islam dominated theocracy and see how long you live as an openly vocal Christian.
@SlightlyEccentric No, they're generally not an oppressed group (not even in the muslim countries you mentioned) That's a common myth christians like to circulate & purport to get other christians all hyped up over @doopayo is right
Some state constitutions in the US require belief in God or a Supreme Being as a prerequisite for holding public office or being a witness in court. This applies to Arkansas,[46] Maryland,[47] Mississippi,[48] North Carolina,[49] where the requirement was challenged and overturned in Voswinkel v. Hunt (1979),[citation needed] South Carolina,[50] Tennessee,[51] and Texas,[52] debatably.[53] A unanimous 1961 U. S. Supreme Court decision in Torcaso v. Watkins held that the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the federal Constitution override these state requirements,[54] so they are not enforced. Which basically means if you don't believe in a god, you still have the right to run for public office. If irreligion and atheism were illegal, this wouldn't be the case.
Which God is America supposed to be under when saying "under God"? Because there have been tens of thousands over the years. If you moved to a heavily Pakistani neighborhood would you be ok obeying Muslim laws, or Hindu laws in a predominantly Indian neighborhood, or be required to worship various saints in a Catholic neighborhood? Should someone report you for not crossing yourself when your bus passes by a Catholic church? The problem with a religious state is that it always persecutes those outside of the state's religion and that only seems to be OK when it happens to be your religion. Count the number of civilizations that have fallen as they grew more fundamentalist.
The religious persecution that drove settlers from Europe to the North American came from the conviction, held by both Protestants and Catholics, that uniformity of religion must exist in any given society. This conviction rested on the belief that there was one true religion and that it was the duty of the civil authorities to impose it, forcibly if necessary, in the interest of saving the souls of all citizens. Nonconformists could expect no mercy and might be executed as heretics. The dominance of the concept, denounced by Roger Williams as "enforced uniformity of religion," meant majority religious groups who controlled political power punished dissenters in their midst. In some areas Catholics persecuted Protestants, in others Protestants persecuted Catholics, and in still others Catholics and Protestants persecuted wayward coreligionists. Although England renounced religious persecution in 1689, it persisted on the European continent. Religious persecution, as observers in every century have commented, is often bloody and implacable and is remembered and resented for generations.
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It is a blanket deistic God as implied in the constitution.
Jesus Christ on a bike you've got it backwards. The first amendment to the US Constitution states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.". This is our GOVERNMENT which is separate from YOUR religion, which is shared by many, but not all of the citizens of the United States. To say goddamn Jesus Christ or the like is not blasphemy for anyone who doesn't subscribe to your religion, and what you say to kill citizens of the USA for free speech is more treasonous and contrary to our creed. As for your use of the word "excommunication" just shows how confused you are about what a government is, that is a word for the Catholic Church used to describe someone who is removed from the good graces of the church. It has no place in government.
The words "In God we Trust" printed on our money is a violation of the first amendment and should be removed from all currency. I normally wouldn't make a deal out of it, it's just an antiquated thing. But that people like you confuse it for federal policy is a strong argument that it should be removed immediately in order to prevent further confusion and people thinking it's okay to kill other people for not practicing the same religion as these supposedly peaceful christians.
The whole point of America is the ability to blaspheme the flag, the president, the country, and these Reaganite oafs who think this is or should be some theological fascist hell hole. I mean that's THE LAW. Usually you all love to scream all day and night about "follow the law", follow the cops etc. Well why don't you all follow your own advice for once.
I'm a Christian myself but I would have to answer no. The problem with a theocracy is that if those at the top start straying in their beliefs, they will force everyone below them to stray into error also. You bring up "In God We Trust", the question is which "God" were they talking about? Many of the American founding fathers were Freemasons whose god is Lucifer. Do we want those kinds of people dictating who we worship? The Dark Ages were named after the fact that the Roman Catholic Church ruled the western world and forbid anyone outside their clergy from reading or even possessing a bible under penalty of death. According to the Holy Bible, the teachings of the RCC are pagan and not Christian. Do we want people like that running the country or world again? I say 'No' to the thought police.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
This nation is as Christian as Iftar Kebabs, as it well should be.
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It clearly says thereof not therefrom. Atheism is unconstitutional and treasonous.
No, atheism is blatantly Constitutional. It's not the lack of belief in a god, but the belief in a lack of a god.
Also, insofar as the Constitution defines "treason" exclusively as "levying war against the United States" or "providing aid and comfort" to the ENEMIES of the United States, there's nothing treasonous about it, either.
No, but seperation of church and state really needs to be enforced. We should take all religious references out of money, pledges, and courts, and we should stop funding churches with tax dollars and redirect that money toward scientists, inventors, and museums, and either charge churches property taxes like every other property, or better yet, just get rid of property taxes for all properties.
No, you're just an idiot. The united states is a nation of freedom, and seperation of church and state is part of that. If you don't like it, then leave.
Deism is the pseudoscientific beleif that the scientific method, evidence, and logical reason back up the existence of a deity/god. However in reality the reverse is true, those things often prove a god can't exist.
For example, how the universe had no begining, or how matter/energy can't be created or destroyed, only transformed, or how omnipotence is a self contradictory (and thus impossible) concept because opposites exist.
Secondly, abrahamic religions are the ones referenced in most cases, and those aren't deism based, they are faith based, as typically their beleivers shun logic, as is dictated to them by their various fairy take books they treat like life instructions for some odd reason.
Thirdly, there is no mention of any particular god in the United States Constitution.
If the universe can't have existed without being created, then the same logic would apply to a god, and if something cannot come from nothing, than the same would apply to a god, as that's still something.
Also if something cannot come from nothing, then nothing isn't possible, because lots of somethings exist.
With you're logic you would simply be asking what created the thing that created god, and what created that, and that, and that, times infinity as you go back farther and farther forever.
What does this tell us? it tells us the truth is infinity, as does many other things.
The universe always existed, and always will exist. It's also infinite in size as well.
You are trying to use circular logic, the rule isn't that something cannot come from nothing, the rule is that "nothing" is fiction.
At no point ever was there nothing, nor will there ever be nothing.
Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
No. "In God We Trust" is not the national motto. In fact, we're a nation that legally requires the separation of church and state, despite a stunning lack of enforcement of this law. This is a nation that was founded largely on the belief that you shouldn't force others to follow your religion, as people fled Europe to come to America for religious freedom. Forcing your superstitions on to people is the most anti-American thing you can possibly do.
In god we trust didn't exist until the late 60's so claiming that is our national creed is bullshit. What we need is laws against cults and to make your religions illegal. Your religion should be punished with the death penalty, given it is pure evil and is responsible for nearly every atrocity to have ever been committed.
No. Freedom of speech and religion is one of the most important rights for many democracies. I mean what if you’re wrong? What if the ideas believed in the current society is wrong, but arguing against the accepted view is illegal? How could such a society be allowed to progress then?
If an idea is true, surely it would stand against scrutiny and not need to be “protected” from criticism. If an idea is false, why should it be the common belief?
I simply cannot believe that eight women and 23 boys voted "yes" to this INSANE proposition! 'In God We Trust' may be your motto, but it's MONEY and POWER that you really worship over there.
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I'm more surprised at the majority who voted no. Atheism is clearly the enemy of america.
Okay so if someone says fuck god. You would have to know which god it is and if that is classed as blasphemy. If it’s the god of cactus, who verily says blaspheme all you want fuckers, then you can’t do them for Blasphemy. Then once Social media gets the hang of it, you just say ‘noooo did not mean that god I meant the other 6’
It doesn't matter. We are one nation under god. THE god. So if anyone says F god, and there is only one real one, that is the one they are F-ing and that is the one america is united under. Treason.
It is one nation under GOD. Not one nation under gods. It is the deistic god which may or may not be the same as the christian god. We don't know this for sure but we must punish atheists as a protective measure.
@Agape93 because we don't know if any religion obeys the correct god, we have to cover all bases and outlaw atheism which opposes the very idea of god itself which means all gods which includes the real one.
Blasphemy is against god. We don't know which God is real but we are better off following a religion even when we don't know that god is the real one. Atheism goes against all which is to go against the real one. We protect our nation by punishing atheism.
And to cut you off at the knee, there won't be any wrath, judgement or god caused apocalypse. That is all utter nonsense, a fairytale to keep the fearful sheep in their pens whilst the shepherds fuck them.
@Agape93 you don't know that. This strategy would be sort of like Pascal's wager applied to government policy. And Pascal's wager is logically indestructible.
Pascale wager is the weakest theological argument possible. It only factors in a single god under the assumption thats all there is, and that is not the case. So it would have to be spread equally amongst all deities for it to even be applicable. Even when done, your odds of being correct at all are 1 out of hundreds of thousands
@JustYourTypicalAsian atheism is not a religion. It is in opposition to religion and to God. The constitution protects freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Atheism stands against religion and the freedom of it, thus against the freedom of the American people.
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nope. everyone is allowed to believe what they want. you can believe in god all you want, i can shit on the god idea all i want. to each their own. freedom to all.
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That’s horrifying. The US is not a Christian nation. God is never mentioned in the Constitution. The founders were mostly not Christian. But you are free to never listen to non-Christians.
And you're beginning to sound like those so called "Holy" Roman Empires who tortures anyone for not believing in God. Talk about supremacisy and wanting to claim monopoly for religious discussions. I'm a Christian as well but i don't believe God is that selfish. You also often hear Christian talk about Athiests going to hell and evil or some sort but not ok if anyone just disbelief? What a hypocrite
Well I don't care if you don't consider me a Christian. What does it mean when every "Christians" want Christianity like how they want it to be anyways? Which became a no true scotsman fallacy.
I said "even if you are" meaning it doesn't matter if you're scottish or not. If you know what you're talking about then explain what being scottish have to do with it? Also the question is, did I say you really are?
Jesus son of Joseph called the Christ was sentenced to death for blaspheming. He having declared himself a son of god. By calling yourself a Christian, that is, a follower of Jesus Christ, would you be ready to condemn Jesus Christ to death again?
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No. Do you know who has blasphemy laws? Shit hole countries do. So if your goal is to be a Turd World shit hole country, then blasphemy laws are a great idea. But if your goal is to be better than that then probably not.
the constitution does not infer a deistic god, the pledge of allegiance does, but that was created later, not playing to the founding fathers ideaologies.
Murder is not a crime specifically targeted at god and there are already harsh penalties against that. But there is no crime for publically declaring the one thing america is united under doesn't exist and that serves to divide our nation and should be punished as severely as murder.
@ChrisMaster69 opposing the national interest is treason. America is united under god. Denying the thing we are united under is worse than just free speech because it undermines national unity and therefore opposes our national interests. Atheism needs to be outlawed now. It is treason.
America was founded as a safe-haven for all religions. Were the colonists overwhelmingly Christian? Yes, but they understood the freedom of religion, which is covered under the First Amendment. To say we should go back to the times of The Crusades by killing those that don't follow Christianity is a radical idea and paints an awful picture on anyone who thinks that way.
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Another person who didn't get the message. This IS NOT ABOUT FUCKING CHRISTIANITY
If you're going to "that is treason and it is blasphemous and should be punished according to God's word", that's quite literally about Christianity. Saying that the entire body of America should be subject to death or excommunication because they don't choose to believe in your deity is ridiculous. If this post wasn't meant to be about Christianity, it should have been worded differently. All it did was paint Christians in an extremely vain light.
You're simply wrong. Stating that I'm Christian does not make it about christianity. I merely stated that I am Christian in order to make a point about another religion getting it more right than mine and more in agreement with the American way.
That, I do believe, would require changing the constitution. No one should be in a hurry to open that Pandora's box.
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It's already unconstitutional to be atheist so no reason to change it. The government would simply be exercising the right to follow religion by doing what it says shall be done to atheists who are heretics, blasphemers and sacrilegious nullifidians who commit treason against the united states in thought and deed.
Free speech with limitations, is not free speech at all.
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The US is about freedom. Especially when it comes to religion. If you toss that away then all US ideals that build from that are trashed too. You don’t want the US, you want a theocracy.
@SlightlyEccentric that's not necessarily true though, there are a lot of christians who have made murder threats if people didn't convert, you seem to be trying to box people into different categories and it's not really working
The military has no such authority? If it is federal law, the police have no authority. You'd have to call the FBI. And federal law regarding blasphemy violates the constitution.
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